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Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: WRXChris on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:23:35
I hope it's not a perma-ban, ripster style... we'll miss your drool-worthy pics and your questioning of the threadcrapping policy and such!
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:26:31
wat?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: WRXChris on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:27:49
That's what I said...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: singaporean123 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:28:15
are u srs
Title: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:32:41
Ban not set to expire. Ban hammer cometh.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:33:51
... wat
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Shadovved on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:35:06
Ban not set to expire. Ban hammer cometh.

Aye sir, non-expiring ban :'(
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: MattBuzzy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:40:45
Wait what?! Why?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:45:37
What happened?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:46:15
unpossible... How am I still here.... if he's gone.

pretty sure it's a computer glitch  :))
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 01:56:08
unpossible... How am I still here.... if he's gone.

pretty sure it's a computer glitch  :))

That's the first thing I thought when I saw your name next to this thread
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:00:20
unpossible... How am I still here.... if he's gone.

pretty sure it's a computer glitch  :))

That's the first thing I thought when I saw your name next to this thread


..can't touch this...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: MattBuzzy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:04:04
So where are people seeing this ban? I don't see anything on his profile http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=7243
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:14:58
me too. been watching his classifieds thread recently. may i know the source for this information on his ban?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:16:03
me too. been watching his classifieds thread recently. may i know the source for this information on his ban?

ta dahh

http://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/does-this-make-me-2-ban-on-gh-t5020.html
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:20:50
me too. been watching his classifieds thread recently. may i know the source for this information on his ban?

ta dahh

http://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/does-this-make-me-2-ban-on-gh-t5020.html

what is "bating"
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:27:50
He's a master at it.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: sth on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:28:08
DANBAN
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:29:38
bating  present participle of bate
Verb
(of a hawk) Beat the wings in an attempt to escape from the perch: "the hawks bated when the breeze got in their feathers".

what.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:36:44
bating  present participle of bate
Verb
(of a hawk) Beat the wings in an attempt to escape from the perch: "the hawks bated when the breeze got in their feathers".

what.

yea his ban says, "bating mod/admin"  was that a typo for 'baiting"
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IPT on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:38:34
To be fair his latest posts about how gh mods and admins weren't happy with him for starting the drama regarding his feelings on classifieds threads. Maybe also calling people idiots lol
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: dirge on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:42:17
Pretty pathetic, Dan's a good lad.  It took far more for you guys to remove ripster.  Comes across as a personal issue dressed up as 'the rules' whatever the **** they are.

Thing is, things like this cross a line with people, lifting the ban shouldn't be enough the guy's owed an apology.  Or just hide behind your expensive keyboards..
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Nunez on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:48:23
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:48:44
Pretty pathetic, Dan's a good lad.  It took far more for you guys to remove ripster.  Comes across as a personal issue dressed up as 'the rules' whatever the **** they are.

Thing is, things like this cross a line with people, lifting the ban shouldn't be enough the guy's owed an apology.  Or just hide behind your expensive keyboards..

Does anyone have link to the "fallout"
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 03:48:52
Ban-GWanG?

Sorry to see it happen - he was full of information on custom keyboards.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: limmy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:20:17
No way!!! I am mad that this happened. On what grounds? Oh my...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: akuJIWA on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:48:21
That was a very lame reason to ban someone. He's a good lad, very helpful and most of all a good bro. Maybe it was a mistake.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 06:34:36
I must say this surprises me,  and I didn't see what happened last night, but there are probably certain things you can PM to a mod that will result in a swift reaction.  Total guess there, but something to consider.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 07:30:02
the ****?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: phetto on Wed, 30 January 2013, 07:31:41
pretty messed up..
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: snoopy on Wed, 30 January 2013, 07:34:52
that sucks
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Wed, 30 January 2013, 07:51:05
Wait when was this? I just talked to Dan in PM earlier today...

Another troll thread?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: WRXChris on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:37:37
Wait when was this? I just talked to Dan in PM earlier today...

Another troll thread?

I rarely troll and sadly this isnt one of those times.

It happened last night, Dan google im'ed me with the news and I made this thread.  He also posted about it on DT.  Apparently he had a thread in the classifieds that welcomed threadcrapping, some mods took offense to this and overreacted like they frequently do around here.   I mean come on, like tp pointed out, he's still here and dan banned? Does not compute.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:46:50
I wouldn't have thought that it would be a spur of the moment perma-ban, it is more likely that the mods have been talking about it for a few days and that it is a group decision.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:50:16
Saw this commin
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:59:13
Wait when was this? I just talked to Dan in PM earlier today...

Another troll thread?

I rarely troll and sadly this isnt one of those times.

It happened last night, Dan google im'ed me with the news and I made this thread.  He also posted about it on DT.  Apparently he had a thread in the classifieds that welcomed threadcrapping, some mods took offense to this and overreacted like they frequently do around here.   I mean come on, like tp pointed out, he's still here and dan banned? Does not compute.

Shame that mods don't seem to vary much forum to forum :/
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:09:47
I believe these are the 2 posts responsible for the ban
(http://i.imgur.com/DPS5zSw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DPS5zSw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7ql34zc.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7ql34zc.png)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:11:30
I guess it makes more sense to just perma-ban one of the main community guys rather than to take him to one side and talk to him...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:13:11
Show Image
I believe these are the 2 posts responsible for the ban
(http://i.imgur.com/DPS5zSw.png) (http://i.imgur.com/DPS5zSw.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7ql34zc.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7ql34zc.png)

Is that what really warrants a ban around here?  :confused:
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Alessandro on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:15:58
That's hardly fair, I mean what the hell?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:18:27
Quote
GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.  A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors.  We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.  Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.   And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: reaper on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:21:59
Furthermore (from what jdcarpe just posted) DanGWanG's ban isn't permanent.  It's a temp ban and when we do ban someone, it's usually a collective decision (not a decision of just one person). Also DanGWanG wasn't the only person that was banned yesterday.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:22:26
Quote
GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.  A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors.  We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.  Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.   And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.

Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...

--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IPT on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:25:05
to be fair, again i have no beef with DangWang, but honestly if the owners of GH want to run their forums strictly they can.
His threadcrap welcome classified thread is straight up trolling and sticking it to the admins/mods of GH.

He felt passionate regarding threadcrapping and his perceived injustices with the way classified is run, but to just say "f it" and do that is just immaturity imo.

Anyway, in the end GH is a private forum, you aren't given free speech to do whatever you want.  OCN runs their forums in a similar way, people sometime thing OCN mods/admins are too anal, but they do limit the amount of crap that is visible on the forums.  It comes down to what GH wants to represent their forum as.
We are all just users, we use the forum, but we really have no "power" to what the forum owners want to do.

Quote
GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.  A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors.  We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.  Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.   And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.

Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...

--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info?  Or provide a good amount of resources and information?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:25:57
This is unfortunate, but it's a temporary ban so hopefully he'll be back. I've had many "threadcrappers" in my classifieds thread before, and I don't mind them.

Negative "threadcrapping"
Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.

Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....



Positive threadcrapping
Nice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:31:13
This is complete and utter bull****. Also, the rule about not talking about banned members is bull****. This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany in 1937. This is 2013, and I'd like to think we're a bit more advanced as a race than to punish people for mere words.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IPT on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:32:09
This is unfortunate, but it's a temporary ban so hopefully he'll be back. I've had many "threadcrappers" in my classifieds thread before, and I don't mind them.

Negative "threadcrapping"
Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.

Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....



Positive threadcrapping
Nice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.
i've had them as well, just look at my sell thread and the attacking about selling Bose headsets lol.

This is complete and utter bull****. Also, the rule about not talking about banned members is bull****. This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany in 1937. This is 2013, and I'd like to think we're a bit more advanced as a race than to punish people for mere words.
their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:36:09
to be fair, again i have no beef with DangWang, but honestly if the owners of GH want to run their forums strictly they can.
His threadcrap welcome classified thread is straight up trolling and sticking it to the admins/mods of GH.

He felt passionate regarding threadcrapping and his perceived injustices with the way classified is run, but to just say "f it" and do that is just immaturity imo.

Anyway, in the end GH is a private forum, you aren't given free speech to do whatever you want.  OCN runs their forums in a similar way, people sometime thing OCN mods/admins are too anal, but they do limit the amount of crap that is visible on the forums.  It comes down to what GH wants to represent their forum as.
We are all just users, we use the forum, but we really have no "power" to what the forum owners want to do.

Quote
GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.  A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors.  We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.  Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.   And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.

Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...

--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info?  Or provide a good amount of resources and information?

I don't know much about Ripster so I don't know... but in the previous forums I've been a member of mod's have treated the biggest contributors the same as spam bots, break the rules get banned... and slowly it just pushed all the good content and posts they where making to other sites and forums... its a bad system that dsnt work.. and the whole our site our rules is fine, but it ****s in the face of making a good community...

but thats just me, and I've yet to meet a mod who agree's
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: nebo on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:39:27
This is unfortunate, but it's a temporary ban so hopefully he'll be back. I've had many "threadcrappers" in my classifieds thread before, and I don't mind them.

Negative "threadcrapping"
Would help if you actually took pics of the HHKB, along with the "specks of shine". $265 still seems rough for an unknown hours used keyboard w/ " specks of shine"that one could purchase in retail condition for less than $50 more.

Especially since white/PBT does have a tendency less shine, and for one to notice, who knows how bad it really is. God knows how bad that ABS spacebar is....



Positive threadcrapping
Nice price on those A2's I got mine for 200, a few months ago, and they're definitely one of the better pairs of monitor speakers out there, especially for their size.
i've had them as well, just look at my sell thread and the attacking about selling Bose headsets lol.

This is complete and utter bull****. Also, the rule about not talking about banned members is bull****. This isn't ****ing Nazi Germany in 1937. This is 2013, and I'd like to think we're a bit more advanced as a race than to punish people for mere words.
their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)
I understand the whole "their forum" idea but getting rid of community members who bring to the table unique content isn't the best way to keep a good forum. No point having everything look great if there is no content/talk.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:41:43
their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)

While that's a great sentiment in theory, in practice it's not as simple as that. I won't ever proscribe to the idea that one should sit quietly with their mouth shut while others abuse authority, no matter where it happens. That's not how things get better.

Besides, this is a forum after all, which is defined as (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&noj=1&site=webhp&source=hp&q=define%3Aforum&oq=define%3Aforum) "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged". My view is that banning Dan for what he did is irresponsible, short-sighted, and immature. Further actions like it will irreparably harm GeekHack and ruin it's reputation and community.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IPT on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:42:01
this is true, however like i mentioned ripster kinda made every GH wiki page, or at least contributed over half the information on the wiki and he's been perm banned for a while.
I believe for a time the wiki images was linking directly to his imgur or hosting.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: oluf on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:43:14
I really hope this incident doesn't drive Dan away for good.. I have done business with Dan and value his posts.. It would be a real shame to lose such a great contributor to this community!
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:45:41
It's a shame, but sometimes the most colorful 'characters' in a community can be the worst offenders. Maybe the mods were worried that Dan was going to start an avalanche of threadcrapping. I personally think threadcrap should be allowed on some level, but putting your thumb in the Mods' collective eyes isn't wise, especially while the policy is still in effect. Hopefully Dan will be back and not so upset over the spanking that he winds up permabanned. That's always the problem -- a banning is very public, and it's very tempting to be defiant. Mods don't get paid, so the least they should expect is a little respect.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: nebo on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:47:16
this is true, however like i mentioned ripster kinda made every GH wiki page, or at least contributed over half the information on the wiki and he's been perm banned for a while.
I believe for a time the wiki images was linking directly to his imgur or hosting.
Yes, and the community is less without him. Was he an ass sometime (often)? Sure. Did he **** around a bit? Yes. Did he provide more content that just about everyone? You pretty much just said so. Don't give people celebrity treatment, but realize what you're giving up by getting rid of them.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:48:21
I hope he comes back, otherwise I'll be like this little guy:
(http://i.imgur.com/a7jZslW.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:51:04
I hope he comes back, otherwise I'll be like this little guy:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/a7jZslW.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/XPvXxZe.gif)
Title: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: BlindRAGE606 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:11:36
Thanks for singling me out/quoting a random post. I'll stay out of this one, and post before the lock.

A sense of pride says that one would not return even if it was a temporary ban.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IPT on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:12:13
their forum, their rule
dont' like it, make your own forum (which is how DT came into existence isn't it?)

While that's a great sentiment in theory, in practice it's not as simple as that. I won't ever proscribe to the idea that one should sit quietly with their mouth shut while others abuse authority, no matter where it happens. That's not how things get better.

Besides, this is a forum after all, which is defined as (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbo=d&noj=1&site=webhp&source=hp&q=define%3Aforum&oq=define%3Aforum) "A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged". My view is that banning Dan for what he did is irresponsible, short-sighted, and immature. Further actions like it will irreparably harm GeekHack and ruin it's reputation and community.

sorry i think you put way too much in stock of one member of the forum.
i personally don't think 1 person banned is gonna "ruin" the reputation of GH.  maybe if there's a mass banning of people who are like minded, it'll affect the community.
But as of now, its an isolated incident.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:15:16
Thanks for singling me out/quoting a random post. I'll stay out of this one, and post before the lock.

A sense of pride says that one would not return even if it was a temporary ban.

Not in the Case of DW, cuz he has "customers" here. It's part of what fuels and funds his own keyboard addiction.  :D
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:15:22
I think Dan's banning is a shame. I have an email into him to find out what happened.

If it's permanent, RIP for one of my favorite community members.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:26:02
Thanks for singling me out/quoting a random post. I'll stay out of this one, and post before the lock.

A sense of pride says that one would not return even if it was a temporary ban.

Couldn't be helped, it was the most recent one!
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: RougeR on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:29:48
long live soviet geekhack! (the Stalin years)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:37:46
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?

Not only that, but a mod has already said that this isn't permanent, though I'm curious as to who else was banned last night.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: dirge on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:50:38
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?

Well only the people that mod or he told about it I guess.  But as nobody's been told anything and a regular posters just been booted without any explanation.  Which ever way you look at it this is a bit of a mess.

People will draw their opinion from the information present, if there's stuff we're not privy too then...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 30 January 2013, 11:52:31
Even from the stuff we've been able to see, dan has been an angry person for a significant amount of the last month.  That's probably why he's been put in time out as much as anything he's said in the past 24 hours.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: JPG on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:10:38
I only hope things will calm down and that he will be able to find a way to come back with with mods.

He was passionnate in his discussions, but I don't think that he meant harm to GH and in fact wanted his comments to have a positive impact, not negative.

Let's hope that pride does not get in between his return.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:29:41
#1 It has already been established that it isn't permanent and Dan wasn't the only one.
#2 Although I'm sure jimmies have been rustled, really they shouldn't be.  You can't openly be adversarial to the mods and expect nothing to happen.

Remember that movie Bruce Almighty?  Bruce dies and asks God why, and he says "You can't kneel down in the middle of a highway and expect to live, son."

Same thing.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:48:15
Spoilers!
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:57:09
Spoilers!

Hah, 10-year-old movie doesn't count!
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:10:27
Spoilers!

Hah, 10-year-old movie doesn't count!

How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:48:18
I liked pre moderator geekhack way better. Even when almost half the threads got derailed or off topic, flame wars and all. At least it was fun.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:53:06
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?

Parsing error.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: sth on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:54:40
so many Serious Businessmen in here.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:21:55
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?

Parsing error.

I only have a rudimentary grasp of ebonics, trying my best, stop making fun of me  >:D
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:22:37
so many Serious Businessmen in here.

Majestouch and Realforce without just price
They are businessmen from Japan. They make sudden huge
profits by hook or by crook.

So you want to be professional?
Choose Choc Pro, be professional.

oh wait...

what? choco pro?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:23:21
sorry i think you put way too much in stock of one member of the forum.
i personally don't think 1 person banned is gonna "ruin" the reputation of GH.  maybe if there's a mass banning of people who are like minded, it'll affect the community.
But as of now, its an isolated incident.

1 easily leads to 2, which easily leads to 5, which easily leads to 10... it's a slippery slope. It's easiest to catch right at the beginning.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:39:13
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?

Parsing error.

Abort/Retry/Fail?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:50:58
How could he'snt bruce al'mighty?

Parsing error.

Abort/Retry/Fail?

You undstud, me ob done.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:08:11
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?
being banned for pm's is pretty cool, isn't it?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:11:30
So I see a bunch of "OMG he did nothing to be banned for" yet how many of you know what he PMed to any mod while in this two week long rage that he's been on?
being banned for pm's is pretty cool, isn't it?

I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:38:39
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.
Title: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: whiskerBox on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:09:27
Frankly Dan has been pushing the limits for awhile now and I am surprised this didn't happen sooner. Worst case scenario you can all go visit Dan at his blog. I think a lot of you probably remember the progression that happened after ripster got temp banned.

Sometimes we all need a little break. Oh and where the **** is demik???


Edited.

Please don't bypass the swear filter.

-boost
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:11:07
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: RougeR on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:13:01
frankly unless im a total scammer/spammer...and not spitting in the mods faces....then i dont think a ban should occur.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:21:40
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...

Wha? It would be more silly if admins could read our PMs.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:25:26
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...

Wha? It would be more silly if admins could read our PMs.

Why? The admins should have total access to the site, should a problem arise. Most other sites I've used, the admins (not mods) have had access to pm's to basically stop harassment etc etc... I'm surprised they can't tbh
Title: Re: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:26:55
Oh and where the **** is demik???

Was my thought Also.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:28:08
Why would it be silly if they could read our PMs? This isn't a government-regulated site. It's a private site. If you don't want them reading your PMs, then don't send PMs. Use something else like email.

Hell, I bet even Google can read your Gmail if they wanted to.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:37:38
Why would it be silly if they could read our PMs? This isn't a government-regulated site. It's a private site. If you don't want them reading your PMs, then don't send PMs. Use something else like email.

Hell, I bet even Google can read your Gmail if they wanted to.


You are dealing with pre-moderation members and they don't take kindly to it.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:43:32
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:44:52
Why would it be silly if they could read our PMs? This isn't a government-regulated site. It's a private site. If you don't want them reading your PMs, then don't send PMs. Use something else like email.

Hell, I bet even Google can read your Gmail if they wanted to.
yep they can though for anyone else to see it I believe that need a warrent
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:45:16
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...

but it would make everything more transparent... it might not have been the best example.. but when making the site, seems so strange that pm's wouldn't be accessable to admins...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: TheProfosist on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:47:40
I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...
they wont help much if at all in marketplace issues...

but it would make everything more transparent... it might not have been the best example.. but when making the site, seems so strange that pm's wouldn't be accessable to admins...
i wasnt commenting on them not having access to pm who knows admins might?

I was commenting on how GH is setup admins/mods cant/wont? help much with marketplace issues in this regard payapl is your best friend
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:51:54
it was just an example off the top if my head...
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: whiskerBox on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:52:47

Edited.

Please don't bypass the swear filter.

-boost


My Bad :P
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 30 January 2013, 17:18:07
I liked pre moderator geekhack way better. Even when almost half the threads got derailed or off topic, flame wars and all. At least it was fun.

Indeed, it was more interesting and more entertaining back then imo... Analog to real life:
- The most interesting conversation are usually the ones that end up way off-topic
- Watching other people argue / quarrel / fight can be quite entertaining, heh
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: cobraj on Wed, 30 January 2013, 17:27:24
Was Fuus banned?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 17:48:47
demik? :(
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: deepthawt on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:11:41
This doesn't seem like such a good place to hang out after all.

It's never cool to build up investments in social relationships and then lose them because someone with an ill-fitting buttplug hits the censorship button.

oh, and thanks Dan for sending the keyboard out so promptly.

And to the moderators of this board,  GROW A SET AND SUCK IT UP.





Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:12:12
lol wut?
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:13:14
nice knowin' ya
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:14:06
I think that, perhaps, you have to work, or try, to get banned.

Certainly Ripster was relatively normal, if arrogant, for a long while, then spiraled out of orbit pretty quickly.

Not paying attention, I didn't see unacceptable behavior from these last bans, but there must be a reason.

Too bad, when my kids were in kindergarten, one of the most important marks was "plays well with others"
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: Internetlad on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:14:46
demik? :(

mods pls
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: longweight on Wed, 30 January 2013, 18:15:21
huh
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 30 January 2013, 20:31:35
dangwang and demik have both been given short probations, emphasis on short. my understanding is that they've both been talked to as to the whats and the whys apparently this didn't happen. there's really nothing to see here.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 20:57:42
That's the problem. "There's nothing to see here", and "everybody just mind your own business".

Maybe an explanation as to why it went down the way it did would settle the issue. But as long as we're keeping it all hush-hush, people are going to get riled up at the censorship.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:01:18
dangwang and demik have both been given short probations, emphasis on short. my understanding is that they've both been talked to as to the whats and the whys. there's really nothing to see here.

You guys should think about locking threads after they've been discussed to death. The mod team has made their statements as well, so if anyone needs to know what has been discussed can just look over the thread WITHOUT being able to reignite the issue.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:24:46
i don't feel like there's much that's hush-hush about this. both of these users are prominent in the community and serve somewhat as role models for new users. as many have pointed out in this thread, both have been needlessly abrasive recently. mod team felt they could benefit from a short probation.

i think this thread has been _relatively_ civil so far. unfortunately our forum software doesn't give out information like "user X is on short-term probation" (see: SA forums for an example of a phpbb that does this quite well), so there was some initial confusion on what was going on. further, these are the first non-trivial bans or probations since we rebooted, so it's understandable that people are going to react a little strongly at first. anyway, i see no reason to lock the thread. if mod team does see a good reason to, it will.

the bottom line is that we're still finding our way as a community, and we will ultimately be a moderated community, in which the staff actively tries to keep things civil and accepting. what i mean by "there's nothing to see here" isn't "don't talk about this", but that this action was fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, and probably not something that's worth getting too worked up about, even if you do disagree with this or that principle..

eta: apparently mod team did not get to talk to dangwang (demik unknown) before the ban.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: KangarooZombies on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:48:21
From what i've seen Dan is a fairly tame person with a HUGE role in this community. I would think that mods would at least message him before assigning a ban. I feel like this ban was probably premature at its best, and could potentially run off one of our favorite members from posting here anymore. He's one of the reasons i joined this forum in the first place, seeing him go is  a huge disappointment and from what I've seen, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I can see now that censorship is very important to GH and if thats how they want to run the community, thats fine, but having to study each post before clicking the post button to make sure it dosent offend anybody is defeating the purpose of an open forum in my opinion. For this reason, its not only the ban on Dan that bothers me, but the future of the community constantly watching their backs when they post...

That being said, none of this was ment to offend any one of you or the mods. Its just one mans opinion. :)

Hoping this post dosent get me a ban of my own,
KangarooZombies :)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: reaper on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:54:22
Hoping this post dosent get me a ban of my own,
KangarooZombies :)


Nope, it won't get you ban but it'll get you a visit from reaper to give you a few free keycaps personally (if you're in LA).  :)
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: sth on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:56:32
Hoping this post dosent get me a ban of my own,
KangarooZombies :)


Nope, it won't get you ban but it'll get you a visit from reaper to give you a few free keycaps personally (if you're in LA).  :)

Or if you're in the bay area I could proxy :P
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: KangarooZombies on Wed, 30 January 2013, 21:58:59
lol I love you guys ^.^

Edit: Also, unfortunatley, im a bit north of LA. I do visit LA almost every summer though :D
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:04:19
In the beginning, God said [etc...]

J/k

That was a good explanation, clears a lot of things up. I think the main problem is like you said, those kind of actions are completely opaque, black-and-white. Maybe some way of indicating the severity of the action taken, or requiring some sort of public reason that gets posted when an action like this is taken on a community member. But that's a discussion for the Site Feedback forum.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: KuhnTang on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:14:45
Sorry to hear about this.  Although I didn't have too much contact with the man, the few occasions that I did, he was very helpful and patient with me.  I'm relatively new here, only a few months, but even in that time I see him EVERYWHERE, helping people.  I don't see how banning him can help GH.  If there are pillars of this community, he is defiantly one of them. 

Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 January 2013, 23:43:59
Even pillars of the community get frustrated from time to time, and may say something that they shouldn't have, or in a certain way. Criticizing the mod team over and over in public, and tempting a ban by baiting, will almost certainly get you a cooling-off period.

I respect both Dan and demik, and have had conversations and transactions with both of them. They knew the possible consequences of what they were doing, and are now dealing with those consequences. We can hope to be supportive of them and try to ease their frustrations when they return.
Title: Re: RIP DanGWanG
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 31 January 2013, 00:08:37
Even pillars of the community get frustrated from time to time, and may say something that they shouldn't have, or in a certain way. Criticizing the mod team over and over in public, and tempting a ban by baiting, will almost certainly get you a cooling-off period.

I respect both Dan and demik, and have had conversations and transactions with both of them. They knew the possible consequences of what they were doing, and are now dealing with those consequences. We can hope to be supportive of them and try to ease their frustrations when they return.
Dan has already expressed his hesitation to return to GeekHack on the DT forums.

Edit: I accidentally a word. 
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: egotrippin on Thu, 31 January 2013, 02:04:25
I'm a new member and I don't know much about Dan or the history of this forum but it was stumbling across http://dangwang.wordpress.com/ that turned me on to geekhack in the first place. 
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jeroplane on Thu, 31 January 2013, 03:33:06
Celebrity or contributions should not make any member less or more susceptible to being banned. I think all the arguments in support of Dan for this reason are invalid. As for his actions, he has been directly calling out the mods and generally stirring things up for some time, basically begging for a ban. And I'm sure he knows this. And again, we don't know what goes on in PMs. I would actually agree with some of Dan's views and I think he adds a lot to this forum in many ways such as knowledge and images, but actions are actions.

But in the end, we haven't lost anyone at this point. I am sure we will see Dan back soon with more keyboard porn for all of us.

I didn't know they could read our PMs?

so they're "not private"?

Hmm.........

You're making an assumption that is wrong.  We cannot read your PMs unless you are sending them to us.

That seems a little silly, shouldn't admins have access to everyone's pm's ?? Especially with the growing size of the marketplace...

In most forums, moderators do not have access to PMs unless they are reported. They are called private messages for a reason. And here, access to PMs is not required in the case of the marketplace. The general idea here, as stated in the guidelines, is that the moderators will not moderate and do not take responsibility for things relating to any transactions; caveat emptor.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: dirge on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:14:17
Sure in phpbb you've got access to private messages.  Guess it must be the same for SMF.

Doubt anyone would be sad enough to go and read through peoples messages mind.  Would be boring as hell.

anyway back on topic.. "FREE HAT! FREE HAT!"
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 31 January 2013, 08:17:28
moderators do not have access to private messages unless they're reported.

also, i reviewed the ban records for dangwang and demik and they were not entered properly, so first off, if you are not dangwang or demik and received a notice that you are banned on some of your clients but not others, that is fixed now. second, the bans both appeared to be permabans to the users (but are very definitely not). that is now fixed.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: deepthawt on Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:28:13
anyway back on topic.. "FREE HAT! FREE HAT!"

WANT
 :p

and i want it to have a crest, that says GeekHack
otherwise the distraction isn't going to sooth my forum feelings.
 
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: IPT on Thu, 31 January 2013, 12:19:22
I have really no dog in this fight, but honestly does Dan really think he's suppose to be leading the revolution here against GH?
i mean seriously if you step back from your personal bias as being friends with him and see the way he's acting, how can you not think he's hostile?
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Apparently Dan believes GH is his responsibility to mold into what he believes is the only clear way it should be run.

honestly give me a break, if this is his attitude i say good riddance.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: deepthawt on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:09:01
Heavy handed authoritarian actions are probably more destructive and offensive than someone whining.

push-back

There is the chilling effect of seeping oppression and censorship is a brutal denial without accountability when there is no forum.




Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: longweight on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:10:26
Rollin with them or me?  :))  We aren't 15.
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:17:34
Rollin with them or me?  :))  We aren't 15.

Yeah I agree with you on that one.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:17:54
Rollin with them or me?  :))  We aren't 15.

I'm not sure how you mean that, but some of us are. ;)
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:19:22
I agree. I am indeed of that same age (close.) Don't single out my age group, I can form a discussion, build a keyboard, handle money etc. I am just as much of a member here as anyone, and certainly mature enough to have a decent conversation. -_-
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:20:24
I guess your name makes more sense though :P
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: longweight on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:21:01
It was a figure of speech not an attack on all 15 year olds!
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:26:21
I understood it to mean "children." In the manner of a "typical" 15-y.o.'s behavior. You two are definitely not typical. You both act with more maturity than some of the "older" members here.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:28:40
I was kidding long. :)

Anyone else think that this thread has run its course now? There are plenty of other good discussion threads running now and we should take full advantage of them.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:30:01
Honestly, I don't know why everyone is so upset with how Dan is acting. Many people are upset with how GH has been going (not myself) but Dan becomes vocal, and people become upset. I've tried to stay out of this thread, but Dan is just speaking, albeit abrasive, but speaking his mind. I think he has had mounting anger for a long while. For example, I've been having a very "off week" and I got very angry in my English class today. I pent up my anger, and when it goes, it goes.
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:33:30
And if you got "banned" from class or school for your actions (detention or probation), I'm sure you could understand why, but maybe not until you could reflect upon the situation in a calmer state. Depending on the severity of your actions and whether it was a repeated action or whatnot.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:41:48
Exactly. So, perhaps, when the situation calms down, things will be more clear. All this drama makes me sick. We just need to get along, not fight... :/
This site is about keyboards, not capitalism or commercialism, not about the Terms of Service, not about whether we should threadcrap or not. This site is for keyboards.
I am here in a community to help others, enjoy myself and maybe buy a few things here or there (or trade for them :P). When you live in a real life community, do you get told not to make money or what you should do with what is yours? Do you get told not to walk in the market and have ambient conversations with your friends? Just food for thought, please don't pick me apart and answer my questions. They are rhetorical.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: rknize on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:44:57
The moderators discussed the issue with Dan for a long time over many days.  No one is quite sure why he suddenly decided to go on this war path of GH moderation theory.  While there is nothing wrong with discussion such topics, his language made it clear that he needed a little break.  We are, of course, paying attention to the discussion over moderation in the classifieds section.  The current policies are mostly carried over from the previous incarnation of the site and those policies reflected iMav's desires at the time.

Since the reboot of the site, moderation has been fairly light compared to how it was and the staff is still finding its way.  SMF does things a little differently than some are used to and bans have been rare.  Thus, the snafu in the ban type.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:48:32
Exactly. So, perhaps, when the situation calms down, things will be more clear. All this drama makes me sick. We just need to get along, not fight... :/
This site is about keyboards, not capitalism or commercialism, not about the Terms of Service, not about whether we should threadcrap or not. This site is for keyboards.
I am here in a community to help others, enjoy myself and maybe buy a few things here or there (or trade for them :P). When you live in a real life community, do you get told not to make money or what you should do with what is yours? Do you get told not to walk in the market and have ambient conversations with your friends? Just food for thought, please don't pick me apart and answer my questions. They are rhetorical.

Well said.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: IPT on Thu, 31 January 2013, 16:00:24
i disagreed with his opinion on how GH/Classified is run, but that whole "you're with me or your against me" attitude is just childish.
His attitude at DT personally makes me not want to deal with him on GH.  I just view it as disruptive behavior.  You say we're on a keyboard forum to talk about keyboards.  Whats with this attacking attitude.

Not to mention i personally find it hypocritical (not towards dan himself) but of other members that claim people are out to make a buck on the classified, then turn around and sell their stuff at high price, attaching with it some reason (legitimate or not) and its viewed as a'ok.

Honestly from dan's rage about threadcrapping, i'd say like i posted in his original discussion thread:  No posting in the thread unless you have a question pertaining to the items for sale/trade/etc.  No "you overcharge blah blah" or "great seller, good luck" nonsense.
Just put it up for sale, bump every 24 hours.

Oh and get rid of auctions and im sure you'll get rid of 99% of the drama on these threads.
people might not like that idea, but there's a reason sites like OCN, hardforums, EVGA Forums, etc don't allow auction style threads.
You want to put an auction up, put it on ebay and calculate the ebay cut.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 31 January 2013, 16:09:49
If you've ever been a part of a forum that (you felt) had problems, and voicing those opinions got him know where it's pretty understandable to become frustrated with it.

He clearly cares about GH and this hobby else he wouldn't have made a fuss (yup) in the first place. His ranting as some might see it is only a positive because its for the benefit of others and possibly of this forum.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: IPT on Thu, 31 January 2013, 16:16:36
If you've ever been a part of a forum that (you felt) had problems, and voicing those opinions got him know where it's pretty understandable to become frustrated with it.

He clearly cares about GH and this hobby else he wouldn't have made a fuss (yup) in the first place. His ranting as some might see it is only a positive because its for the benefit of others and possibly of this forum.

Sure he's allowed to be upset, but look at the way he delivered his message.
Again this forum is not his personal property, you have to respect the forum owners at least a little bit no?
Or do you think its fine to make a big stink publicly and slander the forum?
Do you propose this type of action to demonstrate stuff you feel there are problems on?
 
How do you think this action will translate in other situations?
I think my boss is a douchebag, but i doubt i'm able to walk around bad mouthing the way he runs the company publicly and not expect any ramifications to occur.

Look at how he's responding to Tsangan on DT, he sounds like a spoiled brat right now.
Then again DT's always had hostilities towards GH from what I can tell, you're just getting the cheerleading on DT for this.

Anyway, im not even one of the super active people on GH, nor am i an "OG" member.
I found out about mech keyboards from OCN and reaper managing the OCN club originally.
Wandered over to GH to look at all the cool novelty keycaps and different key sets/boards/etc.
I don't feel im entitles to declare how i think GH should be run, i have voiced my opinions on some matters such as when Demik lost his passion on keyboards and was threadcrapping left/right on everyone's posts a few months ago (remember the ragnarock dramas? or his perception on people not knowing how to do auctions/selling CC/etc then turning around and making $$ off his own stuff?).
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 31 January 2013, 16:20:38
I can't speak for Dan's actions, how he has worked to try and work with or against the mods and vice-versa becasue I don't know.

But (IMO) respect isn't something you're given, its something you earn.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Internetlad on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:07:00
It's a forum with rules.

He broke the rules.

If you don't like the GeekHack rules, don't use GeekHack.

If you need to use GeekHack (like Dan, who does business here) then you should probably keep your opinions to yourself (or at least out of the public forum) and follow the rules.

Let's face it, he probably smoked a bowl (citation needed, but it IS Dan) and posted some stuff that he shouldn't have. He got banned, and got butthurt and now is throwing a little fit over on DT about it. It's not exactly the most professional behaviour I've seen from somebody who (at least in part) owes their livelihood to a particular site which they are now smearing.

Ripster was always abrasive, but as far as I know he never made money off GH.

At the end of the day, it's a forum about keyboards. Nobody will live or die from being banned for a week from GH.

For everybody making a straw man argument about "freedom" and how the mods are being "oppressive" if I was pissing on the sidewalk and a cop caught me for it, are they suddenly oppressing my right to piss freely? There's a reason why there's a law against pissing on the sidewalks. If everybody started pissing on the sidewalks, then nobody would want to be near the sidewalks, because the sidewalks are covered in piss.

Don't cover our sidewalks in piss, people. It's not sanitary.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:14:12
On a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell Webwit I think his turd keycap is epic and I want it.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: r3dx on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:24:20
I really have no interest in all the drama involving Dan but I am kind of curious about all the hate on DT towards GH. It's not that hard to find a thread on there without someone trashing GH but ironically we hardly ever talk about them, or it may just the threads I choose to look at. Anyways like projectD I found GH through OCN so I'm still fresh here so I'm pretty oblivious to what is going on and I don't frequent DT.
Title: Re: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jcrouse on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:25:31
On a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell Webwit I think his turd keycap is epic and I want it.

He gets all the good stuff.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Internetlad on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:40:51
On a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell Webwit I think his turd keycap is epic and I want it.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKkQiRgcN9Lm0vZHxWdnrHpd2cTyduAXR7z10CQ-CNtUirQq8d)

I really have no interest in all the drama involving Dan but I am kind of curious about all the hate on DT towards GH. It's not that hard to find a thread on there without someone trashing GH but ironically we hardly ever talk about them, or it may just the threads I choose to look at. Anyways like projectD I found GH through OCN so I'm still fresh here so I'm pretty oblivious to what is going on and I don't frequent DT.

DT was founded by 2 disgruntled Ex-GH members who weren't happy with the way GH is being run/where it was going. Basically DT was founded as the anti-GH.

So it's sort of an "us vs. them" mindset at DT.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Alessandro on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:42:19
I'm serious, I ****ing want it!
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:45:48
#1 It has already been established that it isn't permanent and Dan wasn't the only one.
#2 Although I'm sure jimmies have been rustled, really they shouldn't be.  You can't openly be adversarial to the mods and expect nothing to happen.

Remember that movie Bruce Almighty?  Bruce dies and asks God why, and he says "You can't kneel down in the middle of a highway and expect to live, son."

Same thing.

did any body else say this quote with morgan freeman's voice in their head?

btw stop over-reacting, a ban is a ban lots of ppl have gotten banned, it's to teach you a lesson, i got banned, i got taught my lesson, do not comment about ripster spamming the forums or you'll be banned, and i got banned, lesson learned, put ripster on ignore.

Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: dirge on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:51:41
DT was founded by 2 disgruntled Ex-GH members who weren't happy with the way GH is being run/where it was going. Basically DT was founded as the anti-GH.

So it's sort of an "us vs. them" mindset at DT.

maybe day one that could be true but a forum can't behave like that for long.  new members won't know the past or care.  The only thing that matters is the fact that people visiting both sites are looking for information on the same topic.

they don't give a crap about the past.

so saying there is an us and them.  just doesn't sound like you've thinked things through bud.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: reverkiller on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:07:28
This is a really odd coincidence, but I'm going to have to side against Dan on this one. Not because I believe that we shouldn't have threadcrapping or a free form market (I actually think threadcrapping helps keep people honest!). However, there are rules. I am by no means authoritarian, but I understand the concept of rules. If you have a problem, acting like a toddler and throwing a hissy fit is not the way to solve it. That said, I greatly respect Dan and much like other people in this thread have said, he was a reason I even cared about keyboards in the first place. I'd love to see him come back and contribute to the community. However, if he can't be mature about it, as people in the past have been (cough ripster cough), he should found his own forum. I'd gladly join!

TL;DR Dan's ideas were right and is a valuable member of the community, but with D+ presentation at best. 6/10, would not bang.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: davkol on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:09:44
to be fair, again i have no beef with DangWang, but honestly if the owners of GH want to run their forums strictly they can.
His threadcrap welcome classified thread is straight up trolling and sticking it to the admins/mods of GH.

He felt passionate regarding threadcrapping and his perceived injustices with the way classified is run, but to just say "f it" and do that is just immaturity imo.

Anyway, in the end GH is a private forum, you aren't given free speech to do whatever you want.  OCN runs their forums in a similar way, people sometime thing OCN mods/admins are too anal, but they do limit the amount of crap that is visible on the forums.  It comes down to what GH wants to represent their forum as.
We are all just users, we use the forum, but we really have no "power" to what the forum owners want to do.

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GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason.  A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors.  We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author.  Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.   And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.

Hiding behind static rules is meaningless when your goal is to build a community and you punnish those who's whole goal is to help provide a good one...

--I don't really know much about this community, but perma-bans and bans like this are what basically destoryed a couple of communites I was in before joining here.
you can argue then ripster's ban was unwarranted either. did he not contribute majority of the wiki info?  Or provide a good amount of resources and information?

I don't know much about Ripster so I don't know... but in the previous forums I've been a member of mod's have treated the biggest contributors the same as spam bots, break the rules get banned... and slowly it just pushed all the good content and posts they where making to other sites and forums... its a bad system that dsnt work.. and the whole our site our rules is fine, but it ****s in the face of making a good community...

but thats just me, and I've yet to meet a mod who agree's

I'm a mod at few completely different community sites, and I entirely agree with you on this point. However, Ripster was hell of an annoying guy, and he still is — in his subreddits. When this sort of guy goes hyperactive not exactly in a good way, it's a disaster, and it's almost impossible to do anything about it except something like permaban. That's clearly not the case here.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jabar on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:19:29
Exactly. So, perhaps, when the situation calms down, things will be more clear. All this drama makes me sick. We just need to get along, not fight... :/
This site is about keyboards, not capitalism or commercialism, not about the Terms of Service, not about whether we should threadcrap or not. This site is for keyboards.
I am here in a community to help others, enjoy myself and maybe buy a few things here or there (or trade for them :P). When you live in a real life community, do you get told not to make money or what you should do with what is yours? Do you get told not to walk in the market and have ambient conversations with your friends? Just food for thought, please don't pick me apart and answer my questions. They are rhetorical.
when the rules protect the Sherrytons and cactuxes of the forum, profiteering at the expense of the community is inevitable.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sordna on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:27:56
I'd like to ask the moderators, why was this ban left as "not set to expire" ?
The rules say that a permanent ban comes after warnings, temporary bans, etc.  If the mods gave a permaban without warning like that, it's against the rules. If, on the other hand, they neglected to put an expiration date, they made it (inadvertently) look like an abrubt permaban, causing all this drama.

Any mods care to comment or rectify this situation ?
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:32:38
It isn't a permaban.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: jeroplane on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:33:28
I'd like to ask the moderators, why was this ban left as "not set to expire" ?
The rules say that a permanent ban comes after warnings, temporary bans, etc.  If the mods gave a permaban without warning like that, it's against the rules. If, on the other hand, they neglected to put an expiration date, they made it (inadvertently) look like an abrubt permaban, causing all this drama.

Any mods care to comment or rectify this situation ?

Since the reboot of the site, moderation has been fairly light compared to how it was and the staff is still finding its way.  SMF does things a little differently than some are used to and bans have been rare.  Thus, the snafu in the ban type.
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:37:17
I'd like to ask the moderators, why was this ban left as "not set to expire" ?
The rules say that a permanent ban comes after warnings, temporary bans, etc.  If the mods gave a permaban without warning like that, it's against the rules. If, on the other hand, they neglected to put an expiration date, they made it (inadvertently) look like an abrubt permaban, causing all this drama.

Any mods care to comment or rectify this situation ?

limitation on the software that's the reason, it was never meant to be a permaban for any of the people that got banned

reaper has cleared it up to some people in this thread already
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sordna on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:40:54
Ok, if the software can't provide an expiration date, then the ban reason hand-typed by the mod performing the ban should mention the ban duration.
Example:

"You have been band for 5 days due to threadcrapping." Or add "the ban will be lifted on February 2nd".
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sth on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:45:27
Ok, if the software can't provide an expiration date, then the ban reason hand-typed by the mod performing the ban should mention the ban duration.
Example:

"You have been band for 5 days due to threadcrapping." Or add "the ban will be lifted on February 2nd".


oh ffs dude, it has been explained a million times already. the 'non-expire' was not intentional.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sordna on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:49:38
Ok, but if the software has a limitation, the typed message needs to accommodate that. Otherwise it will unintentionally happen again.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sth on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:50:52
Ok, but if the software has a limitation, the typed message needs to accommodate that. Otherwise it will unintentionally happen again.

it doesn't and even if it does, it's a stupid thing to get worked up over... sorry if that's glib but this whole situation is stupid and frankly not something that anybody should care about. there are plenty of real problems in the world that could use some nerdy attention.
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: sordna on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:54:45
tsangan said the software has a limitation, not me.
Title: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:55:40
Ok, if the software can't provide an expiration date, then the ban reason hand-typed by the mod performing the ban should mention the ban duration.
Example:

"You have been band for 5 days due to threadcrapping." Or add "the ban will be lifted on February 2nd".
I completely understand what you mean, we don't temp ban people often at all so this was an mistake on our end
Title: Re: DanGWanG on probation...
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 31 January 2013, 19:12:24
Ok, but if the software has a limitation, the typed message needs to accommodate that. Otherwise it will unintentionally happen again.

it doesn't and even if it does, it's a stupid thing to get worked up over... sorry if that's glib but this whole situation is stupid and frankly not something that anybody should care about. there are plenty of real problems in the world that could use some nerdy attention.

Ok, my turn to answer...

The old forum code had issues that had bad results for everyone.  The new forum software is, well, new.  At least to the mods and admins.  Since the hullabaloo we have been trying to gather input (see my other thread), fix any problems (all fixed now), and come up with and document specific procedures, including how-tos and communication protocols. Those include more visibility, more specific TOS details, better communication, and more transparency.  Those will be published, explained and discussed when they are ready.

Turning back to this thread, sth is correct.  The situation has been explained pretty fully.  Nobody died, nobody was permabanned, and to be perfectly fair, many people have come up with useful ideas for making all of this better in the future.  Thank you to everyone who did so.

So.   We are not going to close the discussion, we are going to move it to a thread about how to do better.  It is time to close this thread and move to the one I started for the specific purpose of this discussion.  Everyone who wants to discuss site moderation policy, procedure and communication, please go here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39772.0

In other news, there is an attic full of F-122 keyboards that need to be discussed, SP has a new site and a bunch of new stuff, and Zelda Hearts (empty and half) are back in stock at Techkeys.us.

Thanks one and all!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
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