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« Reply #50 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 11:10:32 »
Thanks, as you said the metal insert will not be visible from the outside so should be fine :)

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« Reply #51 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 11:18:24 »
added another case for me on the spreadsheet

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 12:47:48 »
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they're going to look awesome. get one!


this is why im so on the fence.

i either get this now, or wait for the mythical round 2 imsto cases
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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 12:51:45 »
you can get another of these now or you can wait forever for something that may or may not ever happen. ever.

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 13:25:33 »
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this is why im so on the fence.

i either get this now, or wait for the mythical round 2 imsto cases

I'd say go with your gut and pass on this. These aren't machine perfect and that just doesn't suit some people's tastes. I'm not making money off of these so it's not worth me dealing with the risk of an unhappy customer. :)
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« Reply #55 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 13:56:31 »
No one picked gold? :|
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« Reply #56 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 16:39:04 »
polished blue looks amazing...wonder how polished red would look

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« Reply #57 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 16:52:55 »
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polished blue looks amazing...wonder how polished red would look

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They do coloring in 3 different ways which I think were liquid (?), powdercoating and anodizing. I can't remember if these were anodized or done using some other process (probably the liquid whatever way), but this might give you a hint at what polished red would look like. I'm guessing that these are not anodized because that would probably be the gunmetal that people were interested in on the left but he told me that for anodizing they only have red, blue and gold. The other ways of getting them colored costs like three times as much and the powdercoating looked pretty bad, like the kind of cheap paint job you would see on a child's toy that you can really tell is a separate layer on top of the metal, at least in my opinion.
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« Reply #58 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 18:00:33 »
Well bumped mine up to polished as well, that looks ridiculously slick.

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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 18:04:03 »
Polished red looks a lot better than brushed red, if that's indeed how anodized polished red would look like...

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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 18:14:55 »
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Polished red looks a lot better than brushed red, if that's indeed how anodized polished red would look like...

I sent another email to ask if that's polished and anodized red. I also asked if that gunmetal color is available just in case I misunderstood or maybe they just didn't mention it because they are out of stock.
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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 18:16:25 »
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I sent another email to ask if that's polished and anodized red. I also asked if that gunmetal color is available just in case I misunderstood or maybe they just didn't mention it because they are out of stock.

Thanks, you are doing great work on this project, people better appreciate it.

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« Reply #62 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 22:59:42 »
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Thanks, you are doing great work on this project, people better appreciate it.
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« Reply #63 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 23:17:49 »
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No one picked gold? :|

I think I want gold :thumbup:

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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 09:29:06 »
Good choice, these people are crazy for not wanting gold
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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 09:55:12 »
There's still probably a bit more or less than a week before I have to worry about finalizing orders for coloring, but just to make it clear, if you don't mark that you want the insert to be finished, it won't be. If you don't mark that you want the insert to be colored, it won't be. If you don't mark that you want polishing, it will be brushed. If you say don't mentioning anything about gluing, I'll assume you want me to glue it for you.

I'll post updates as it gets closer to the time I need to place the coloring order and I'll PM everyone to give them one last chance to look over things.
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« Reply #66 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 15:06:09 »
I want to strip the anodize on my imsto poker case and make it gold!
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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 21:12:23 »
Damn it, put me in for one more.  Payment sent.
That's 3.
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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 21:41:20 »
After I visit the coloring place tomorrow to ask a few more questions I'm going to remake the spreadsheet. Right now it's a bit hard to tell what some people want and I don't want to make any mistakes.
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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 01 April 2012, 21:43:30 »
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Damn it, put me in for one more.  Payment sent.
That's 3.
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« Reply #70 on: Mon, 02 April 2012, 03:36:53 »
Payment Sent!

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« Reply #71 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 12:35:56 »
Just got the firm quote back from the place that does finishing and anodizing and I've uploaded it here so you can see for yourself. It's about $3 more than the rough estimate he gave me when I first visited.

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I should be able to take about $4 off the total of whatever you choose (as I mentioned before, this will make brushing free and polishing a bit more, $3 more for the insert, $4 more for the case) because we don't have to pay for glass beading anymore but I'm still waiting to get a re-quote from the metal working shop. So as I was saying before, you probably only need to get the case done but if you want to do the insert as well you are welcome to.

For those people who don't want it blue, they do clear anodizing which keeps the natural color of the aluminum. You need to do this because the anodizing process protects the aluminum from scratches and things like that. If you /really/ can't afford the few extra dollars, I'll try to pay it myself because I understand it wasn't an advertised cost (though it's only $6 more).

I'll put up a new spreadsheet later today that's a bit more clear for me to read and you'll have to fill that out again to make sure I order the right thing for you.

Also, there's a minimum paint charge for the clear anodizing but I do really want to leave this option in there since obviously it's not fair to force you to have it blue if you don't like blue. Since I'm pretty sure we're under that minimum for clear, I'll try to cover some of it using the money I had set aside for extra stuff like screws, insulation and glue. I got the screws cheaper than I expected and most people are telling me they don't want theirs glued so I have some extra there. I am a bit worried that the quote for the case itself will go up a bit since we were under our target amount so I'll let you know for sure once I get the re-quote from them.

They don't have that gunmetal color for anodizing, those fancy looking plates were done using another method that is far more expensive.
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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:17:08 »
oneproduct, can they do matte finishing?

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« Reply #73 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:25:22 »
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I didn't see any examples of it in their showroom, so I don't think so.

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Made the new spreadsheet: Anodizing and Finishing
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« Reply #74 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:36:45 »
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The first picture is the brush + clear?
and polish + clear on the second? correct me if I'm wrong.

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« Reply #75 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:37:27 »
let's put up the spreadsheet and organize ourselves before you put effort into trying to allocate slush fund cash oneproduct. given the new options, i'll probably do one polished blue and one brushed clear, so that should get us a little way towards making the minimum order for clear for those who want it.

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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:39:34 »
Those are both brush and blue.
Clear is the one that has the natural color of the metal (silver color).
Polished is the funny shaped blue thing near the bottom for the first post. It will be very smooth and shiny.
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« Reply #77 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 13:42:21 »
i likes the shine

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« Reply #78 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 14:04:13 »
Can someone explain the glue again to me? Just want to get this right...
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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 14:09:22 »
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given the new options, i'll probably do one polished blue and one brushed clear

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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 15:14:01 »
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Can someone explain the glue again to me? Just want to get this right...

The two pieces will need to be attached to each other. Since I have to get anodizing done I can't weld them together because they can't work on them when they are attached already. So instead they will be glued together afterwards. I know that gluing sounds a lot less awesome than welding, but we're talking about crazy glue/industrial strength glues that are purposely made for gluing together metals so it should be really good. Some people want to do extra work on their pieces, some people want to use their own brand of glue, but some people just want me to do it for them, which is fine. So if you aren't planning to do anything special, you should pick yes for gluing.
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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 15:40:19 »
Is the brushed blue going to similar to the last brushed blue picture?

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« Reply #82 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 15:51:15 »
It will probably be somewhere between the light blue circular thing and the dark blue sheet. He can sort of control it by choosing how long to leave the pieces submerged. I was thinking to try to get it towards the lighter side but it might be good for people to put out their opinions if they want it on the lighter or darker side.
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« Reply #83 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 16:42:50 »
Can I get it in that exact blue?

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« Reply #84 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:01:01 »
For the most part I'd just like to have them all done the same. I don't really want to complicate things too much by going to them and saying "can you do 5 in light blue, 3 in dark blue, 8 in navy blue, 4 in sky blue..." etc.

I'm not sure exactly how much control they have over it either. It has to be in there for a minimum amount of time for the anodizing to be done properly and then they can make it a bit darker by leaving it in there for longer I believe but at some point I imagine that it won't get any darker than it is once it reaches a sort of saturation point. So there's a limit for how light and how dark it can get, but I'm not sure exactly what that is for our 5052 aluminum since all the aluminum in the showroom is 6xxx aluminum.

But on that note, I do need to know if you guys would prefer if we try for lighter or darker, so feel free to throw in your opinion.
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« Reply #85 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:16:12 »
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How about this blue?    :D

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« Reply #86 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:24:54 »
I prefer darker blue, but it doesn't super matter.

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« Reply #87 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:28:09 »
i just want a thick coating and something that looks nice. i trust the anodizing guys on specifics.

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« Reply #88 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 17:34:22 »
I'd like somethIng that can be easily matched to upcoming sets I.e retro and that blue cream cheese set and maybe upcoming skulls hopefully.
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« Reply #89 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 19:36:33 »
Oh man... All the options look great. I think I might have to switch back to clear, since after some thought I now feel like the red PCB and my current black/white + red esc key setup could look a little odd with blue.

Anyone have thoughts on polished + clear vs brushed + clear?
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« Reply #90 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 19:51:38 »
A nice bright blue would be my preference but I'm sure whatever they do will end up looking great.
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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 19:58:16 »
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Anyone have thoughts on polished + clear vs brushed + clear?

Here's just some random pictures I took off a Google image search:

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Brushed has a more even, work ready look while polished has a shiny, show-off look.
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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 04 April 2012, 20:47:58 »
This is making me wish I got two cases, despite only having one Poker. I think I'm currently leaning towards the brushed option, but I really like them both.

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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 05 April 2012, 00:09:21 »
sweet. Thanks oneproduct for doing this again!

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« Reply #94 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 12:38:12 »
Okay, well I'm sure that everyone by now has seen that imsto has started an interest check for his a second round of poker cases and now treble318 has something starting up in the classifieds http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?29827-Custom-KBC-Poker-Aluminum-Tray-amp-More-%29

I don't know why these two both decided to pop up at the same time as each other (and thus have to compete against each other) and why they decided to do so while I was already in the process of doing this. I understand that some people are probably having second thoughts about having ordered one from me now, so I'll go ahead and be the one to talk about the elephant in the room.

First I'd just like to point at the differences between the case I'm making and the ones they are making.

1. Both imsto's and treble318's cases are more expensive. With polishing and blue anodizing mine comes out to about $95, treble's is $100 + cost of coloring, and imsto said that his would be more expensive than last round, which was $140 I think.

2. Both of theirs use the same mounting system, which is to have the PCB lie on several cylinders which accept screws rather than supporting the whole PCB as the metal insert for this one does which was to help with the PCB flexing problem the original case has. However, as there will have to be a layer of insulation between the metal insert and the PCB, there may be some "flex" due to compression of the insulating material, I'll have to try this out once I get some better insulation instead of what I was using so far. The insert also makes it considerably heavier for those who like that.

3. There's no dip switch cut out for this case, which I treat as a plus, because really you won't be changing your dip switches more than once or twice probably and so it's nice to have a smooth bottom for the case.

4. Mine has no feet. Imsto wins flat out here with his machined ones. treble318 has some rubber ones which he just sticks on, which could be mimicked for my cases but you'd have to do it on your own.

5. Both of theirs are machined, and as such are more perfect looking. You've seen the videos I've posted and you can tell that the corners were welded on mine, which may or may not bother you.

So anyways, with that being said, if everyone would really want to opt out and go with one of theirs, I can try to see if I can stop the order. I'm not sure how far they've gotten into it yet, if at all, and it may be possible that I wouldn't be able to refund the whole amount if they were in the middle of things (in particular, they probably already ordered the aluminum they need to work on, but they might not have gotten it yet to start making the cases). This would have to be an all or nothing thing though, I can't really have half the people opt out since then the prices would no longer be good in a group buy sense.

Anyways, let me know what you guys think. Kind of sucks that this happened so late in the process... -_-

It also kind of sucks that they both have a more finished product they can show off while I only have that first prototype, because once my case is polished and anodized it will probably look much more comparable to theirs but right now that glass beaded outside pales in comparison.
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« Reply #95 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 13:23:43 »
Well I guess I be first to say I would like a refund. Nothing against your work but when I originally paid I asked imsto a time frame and he was thinking many months. Now obviously this isn't the case :doh:
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« Reply #96 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 13:27:14 »
ahhh.. i'm undecided.

on one hand, i'm committed to this project. on the other, i love the perfection of CNC. the price difference between treble and you case isn't too significant.

i'm leaning towards pulling out..

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« Reply #97 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 13:28:49 »
-_-
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« Reply #98 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 13:33:47 »
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Well I guess I be first to say I would like a refund. Nothing against your work but when I originally paid I asked imsto a time frame and he was thinking many months. Now obviously this isn't the case :doh:

No worries, I won't take any of this personally and I wasn't in it to make money so I won't really lose anything except time. It's good for people to be honest.

I'll talk to them on Monday to see how far they've gone along and if possible I'll get them to cancel it if that's what people are looking for. If we do cancel, we'll still have to pay for prototyping costs, the cost of materials (if they ordered them) and then time spent with the people I was in contact with (e.g. my point of contact who worked with me on the blueprint and such), but we'd save all the labor, which is the primary cost. Might be a bit awkward to tell them this but I'll do what I have to.
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« Reply #99 on: Fri, 06 April 2012, 13:37:41 »
those are both looking about 2-3 months out. we've already contracted the shop. oneproduct: you are completely in the right to finish the order.

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