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Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 17:34:27 »

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Do you remember that first time you touched your first mechanical keyboard? How it felt? And how it just drew you in? I feel like I just discovered Alps all over again with this Northgate. Is it wrong that I want to swoon and squee over this keyboard and these switches? I’m actually very sad that it’s now leaving my possession. I haven’t been this smitten with a keyboard since 2011 when I first touched my friend’s Filcos.

If you’ve read my other reviews before, I would first like to thank you for doing so. Second, I wanted to change up the format so this one won’t read like my other reviews.


My thoughts on the switch

As you all might know, I really like my Alps. Unfortunately, I haven’t had the chance to try out complicated Blue Alps until Akimbo’s tour came along. For me, Blue Alps definitely lived up to the hype. Since I don’t like comparing Alps switches to MX or other switch types, I’ll compare them to common boards with Alps. Two common boards that many GeekHackers could get a hold of are the Focus FK-2001 with complicated White Alps or Dell AT101W/SGI Granite with Complicated Black Alps. If you haven’t tried Alps, definitely get your hands on those. I wrote a review on the AT101W here.

Anyways, to me, complicated blue Alps feel like complicated White Alps if they weren’t as heavy. For some actual numbers, you can refer to the DT wiki which pulls the numbers from Alps.tw or from silencium’s chart (you’ll need to use Google Translate since it’s in Japanese). I prefer silencium’s chart since he has an average value. It verifies my thoughts that the Blue Alps are slightly lighter than the White Alps.

This switch is probably the only switch that I’ve used that feels equally clicky and tactile. It has a lovely bump but also a click to it. It’s a lighter switch compared to both the Black and White Alps but not nearly as light as say an MX Red. The return bounce is also very pleasant and springy.  It also feels a bit smoother than the Whites on my Chicony KB7001 or Ducky1087XM. And like most of the Alps I tried, it’s a bit wobbly. But I think that’s part of the charm of the switch.

I don’t have recording equipment but I do like these two videos which showcase the sound of Blue Alps:
  • Video from YouTube user Seongyeol Kim, typing on a Northgate Omnikey
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My thoughts on the keyboard

This was the first keyboard I’ve seen that is both metal and plastic. The bottom half is cast metal, possibly steel. And the top half is probably PBT or some sort of plastic. This is verified on Northgate Keyboard Repair’s website. He advertises using a retr0brite-like process to whiten or repaired yellowed tops.  As with other metal cases, this leads to the board being completely still and solid feeling when you type. If you’ve ever typed on a Poker, Pure, or Poker 2 with the stock case versus a metal case, you’ll understand exactly what I mean. I also think this metal bottom helps to muffle the volume of the clicky-ness of the switches. According to this Northgate 1992 userguide (from the Bitsavers archive, which looks like a slightly different guide from the other ones that I’ve found, the weight is 4 lbs, 12 oz or 1.99 kg.

The Omnikey’s bezel contained a bunch of dipswitches. If you end up buying one of these keyboards and want to know what the dipswitches do, check out the manuals which is hosted on Lueck Data Systems or the manual I listed above from Bitsavers. The Lueck Data System manuals look like they’re from 1991 and older. I found this link on /r/mech. There is also this quick userguide from Nicolas Sebastien Dade. I just thought it was really cool that the creators took the time to make the keyboard compatible with multiple computers.

What I thought was odd that the connector in the back of the board is, I think, a PS/2 female port. Then the cable is PS/2 to DIN5 or AT. I suppose I’m saying this from my own modern point-of-view though. But for my own usage, it was odd to go from PS/2 to DIN5, then from to PS/2 to USB.  I did really like the 90 degree angled connector though. And the cable was really long and coiled, which is good for my own setup.

The board had a lovely beige color scheme like IBM keyboards. And the blue logo looked very nice on the trap door in the top left of the front bezel. This trap door hid the dipswitch. On the back of the keyboard, the foldout legs which propped the board up were extra wide, which I think would give it more stability.

The keycaps were doubleshot. I would say it was medium thickness and made from PBT. The control, shift, and alt keys were RGB on Grey. And there were other little touches like the lock keys having front printed caps and the escape key was red on grey. I don’t like solid RGB keycaps such as the ones that Tsangan shows in this thread. But I do like the RGB fonts a lot. To me the RGB caps clash but the RGB fonts blend nicer.

A random fun fact about the board is that when I toggled the lock keys (Caps, scroll, and number), my system would beep. I thought that was a cute touch.


Final Thoughts

I liked this keyboard so much that the first night, I tried to go on eBay to buy one. My experience with the keyboard was love at first touch. Normally I might complain about the layout, since it was full size, but I didn’t mind it at all. I would love to have this exact keyboard for use at work. I wish that this keyboard and these switches got more attention. Both deserve more love. I know I am in love. And shoutouts to Akimbo for running his tour. Also before I forget, since I do not own this keyboard, I did not take any disassembly pictures. If someone wants those pictures, I will happily hunt some down and post them here.

Edit: I should also add that AEK and AEKII's are pretty common as well.

Edit 2:

Even this particular board didn't come with blues. Akimbo's tour thread says it was modified to solder in the blues. Blue Alps are really tough to find, unfortunately.

It did not come with blues, like Techno said. I soldered in all the blue ALPs switches.

Some good boards to find blue alps switches in (note: many of these came with different switch types too):

-Chicony KB-5161 AT
-Leading Edge DC2014 (XT)
-Leading Edge DC3014
-Various Northgate keyboards (look for the gold label, not white/blue)
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 17:50:48 »
Excellent review, as always! I can't wait to get my hands on these switches...

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 17:54:15 »
Did you remove the keylogger before you used it like I did?

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 18:01:09 »
Did you remove the keylogger before you used it like I did?

JK  :D

Damn you! Now digi will know that in my spare time, I just look at pictures of ice cream :(. And that my WPM is really low :( :(.

Excellent review, as always! I can't wait to get my hands on these switches...

They are wonderful and I'm sure you won't be disappointed. :D

Please hate the switches and the keyboard so that I may obtain one more easily and cheaper :P.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 01 February 2014, 18:44:22 »
Some time ago i bought this kb only to predate his switches but after i tried it i just could not do it...
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 02 February 2014, 14:01:05 »
Good review. The first mechanical keyboard I got is also using those very same switches, and I quite agree with you about your thoughts. In my case, it's hard to tell by words about my feelings from blue alps cm. They were the beginning for me, the start for everything. I've experienced much with those switches, and I would recommend them to almost everyone. They feel good, sound good and your imagination is the only limit for modding since they are easy to open and consists of many different parts.
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 21:48:28 »
As an owner of three Northgate boards (even tho none with blue Alps), I'm delighted to see someone else feeling the love that these boards deserve.
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 14:54:44 »
very interesting review  :p 
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:25:49 »
Well this board sounds pretty much amazing. Too bad it's impossible to find a board with these switches?
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:29:54 »
Well this board sounds pretty much amazing. Too bad it's impossible to find a board with these switches?

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:33:02 »
Well this board sounds pretty much amazing. Too bad it's impossible to find a board with these switches?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111258668746

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111258671162

I saw those but how do I know the switch type? >_<
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:41:21 »
Maybe I was assuming all Northgate OmniKey with this part number have blue Alps switches...
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 16:48:14 »
Yeah this wiki entry says some of these boards come with blue: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Alps_SKCM_Blue
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 07 February 2014, 23:25:13 »
Even this particular board didn't come with blues. Akimbo's tour thread says it was modified to solder in the blues. Blue Alps are really tough to find, unfortunately.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 08 February 2014, 11:19:45 »
Even this particular board didn't come with blues. Akimbo's tour thread says it was modified to solder in the blues. Blue Alps are really tough to find, unfortunately.

It did not come with blues, like Techno said. I soldered in all the blue ALPs switches.

Some good boards to find blue alps switches in (note: many of these came with different switch types too):

-Chicony KB-5161 AT
-Leading Edge DC2014 (XT)
-Leading Edge DC3014
-Various Northgate keyboards (look for the gold label, not white/blue)
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 08 February 2014, 11:20:21 »
I should have made that clearer in the review. I'll edit the OP now.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 09 February 2014, 15:00:38 »
I am curious as to why the OP chose to replace the keys with blue ALPS? AFAIK white ALPS, especially in the OmniKeys are amazing.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 09 February 2014, 16:39:00 »
I am curious as to why the OP chose to replace the keys with blue ALPS? AFAIK white ALPS, especially in the OmniKeys are amazing.

I didn't replace them. AKIMbO did. I assume it's because the Omnikey cases are great but he really likes Blue Alps.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 09 February 2014, 17:33:53 »
I am curious as to why the OP chose to replace the keys with blue ALPS? AFAIK white ALPS, especially in the OmniKeys are amazing.

They weren't the nice white alps that vary by blue alps only in color.  They were some crappy, heavy kind.  The blue alps in the Omnikey are awesome and light.
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:14:11 »
I am curious as to why the OP chose to replace the keys with blue ALPS? AFAIK white ALPS, especially in the OmniKeys are amazing.

They weren't the nice white alps that vary by blue alps only in color.  They were some crappy, heavy kind.  The blue alps in the Omnikey are awesome and light.

Do different Northgate Omnikeys use different types of white alps?  The DT wiki says they all use Alps SKCM White:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Northgate_OmniKey_101
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:47:46 »
Do different Northgate Omnikeys use different types of white alps?  The DT wiki says they all use Alps SKCM White:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Northgate_OmniKey_101

Yes but did you read the SKCM White page on the variants?.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:49:16 »
Do different Northgate Omnikeys use different types of white alps?  The DT wiki says they all use Alps SKCM White:

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Northgate_OmniKey_101

Yes but did you read the SKCM White page on the variants?.

Thanks, I missed that section.  From what I can tell, buying any Omnikey 101 will be a crapshoot unless you can get a very close up shot of the switches.  Even then that doesn't necessarily guarantee you are getting a board with "smooth" switches.  Is there any way to know which of those variants is/are the "smooth" one/ones?
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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:46:47 »
Is there any way to know which of those variants is/are the "smooth" one/ones?

buying any Omnikey 101 will be a crapshoot unless you can get a very close up shot of the switches.

You answered your own question . Welcome to the buying Alps. It can be very confusing.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:54:36 »

Even then that doesn't necessarily guarantee you are getting a board with "smooth" switches. 


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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 14 February 2015, 10:00:31 »
Agreed. Omnikey is definitely a great board for your favorite Alps switch.

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Re: Northgate Omnikey 101 (Blue Alps Switches) Review
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 14 February 2015, 10:29:54 »
Agreed. Omnikey is definitely a great board for your favorite Alps switch.
Oh yeah, hope I can get one of these one day :D . Sadly, they seem to be very expensive. A 102 with Blues in it is definitely just about my ultimate dream keyboard :D .
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