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Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 01 July 2010, 14:27:54
Hi All

I’m proud to announce that we have signed an agreement with Topre to make their high quality Realforce keyboards available to the European Market.

In the first instance, we will look to stock a printed 105 model in three or four language varieties. For widest appeal.

We’re polishing up a few details right now and I would hope to have stock in by October 2010.

Bruce
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 01 July 2010, 14:30:56
Congrats.  Well done, Bruce.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 01 July 2010, 15:49:14
87U or 88U would be my favorite too but we felt we'd have most appeal to most people with the full size model.
I did check numbers with some people and it seems about 70/30 in favour of full size in Japan.
Tenkeyless is certainly in my thoughts.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: British on Fri, 02 July 2010, 04:54:57
Sweet news !
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 02 July 2010, 07:04:59
Are you going to have any all-30 or all-45g. models in ANSI?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 02 July 2010, 08:32:43
Looks like an oven... or a morgue.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Fri, 02 July 2010, 10:01:54
Quote from: itlnstln;198653
Looks like an oven... or a morgue.

Yeah, and iirc the rent is higher than for a 100m2 flat in my country, lol!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: sixty on Fri, 02 July 2010, 10:05:59
Good news. The only thing I'm worried about after seeing the other European Distributor (http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=43871) prices is that the price will be just as high as buying one in USD+shipping.

Anyway, Maybe I will be proven wrong.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: platon on Fri, 02 July 2010, 10:25:07
Quote from: sixty;198673
Good news. The only thing I'm worried about after seeing the other European Distributor (http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=43871) prices is that the price will be just as high as buying one in USD+shipping.

Anyway, Maybe I will be proven wrong.


Even if it is like that , at least you don't have to worry about extra taxes at customs.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: British on Fri, 02 July 2010, 12:00:39
Quote from: platon;198682
Even if it is like that , at least you don't have to worry about extra taxes at customs.

And it's ISO \o/
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: whininggit on Sun, 04 July 2010, 15:21:15
Excellent news!

I had excellent service from The Keyboard Company when I ordered a G80-3000 a few months ago and I will be happy to send more money their way (in exchange for a keyboard, of course).
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: JBert on Sun, 04 July 2010, 16:00:49
Quote from: platon;198682
Quote from: sixty;198673
Good news. The only thing I'm worried about after seeing the other European Distributor (http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=43871) prices is that the price will be just as high as buying one in USD+shipping.

Anyway, Maybe I will be proven wrong.
Even if it is like that , at least you don't have to worry about extra taxes at customs.
Seconded: it effectively does away with the customs lottery meaning you can get your keyboard sooner.
The downside is that the price is what it is, it will include import taxes in some way or another.

I'm still undecided whether to pick an ANSI or UK ISO model but this is pretty good news nonetheless.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: test157 on Mon, 05 July 2010, 04:30:43
105 are already long time for sale in Europe from verkkokauppa.com. IMHO 87U is much interested model.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: British on Mon, 05 July 2010, 06:33:17
Well, some people don't talk Finnish (if I'm not mistaken), and may find it hard to navigate in that site (and some translaters don't cope well with sites where you buy stuff).
And those keyboards seems limited to Finnish anyway.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 05 July 2010, 08:42:06
Just as long as no one tries to make an ISO version of the HHKB, everything will be ok...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Rajagra on Mon, 05 July 2010, 09:44:42
Quote from: itlnstln;198653
Looks like an oven... or a morgue.


Or something worse:

Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: British on Mon, 05 July 2010, 09:44:58
Quote from: ch_123;199634
make an ISO version of the HHKB

That would actually be interesting, but might be a pain for those layouts (like french of course) where you have to use shift to access the numbers row... same reason that makes tenkeyless layouts a bit less desirable, size notwithstanding.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 05 July 2010, 11:06:52
It would also screw up a lot of the advantages of the HHKB layout. The Japanese HHKB is sort of like what an ISO HHKB would be like, but I don't see why you'd bother...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Superfluous Parentheses on Mon, 05 July 2010, 15:16:29
Quote from: Bruce;198365
Hi All

I’m proud to announce that we have signed an agreement with Topre to make their high quality Realforce keyboards available to the European Market.

In the first instance, we will look to stock a printed 105 model in three or four language varieties. For widest appeal.

We’re polishing up a few details right now and I would hope to have stock in by October 2010.

Bruce

I've started a thread a few days ago about getting a HHKB pro 2 (plain, non-japanese version) in the Netherlands, and I personally would feel more comfortable ordering from a UK company instead of a US or Japanese one - even if it's just to get shipping and tax sorted out before ordering. Is this deal for RealForce only or are you also looking into HHKB boards?

Edit: good on you for doing this, by the way. It's hard enough getting decent keyboards over here, so even if you stick with "just" the 105 Realforce boards it's a definite improvement. Though personally, I'm really leaning towards 10-keyless or smaller form factors at the moment, hence my asking about the HHKB.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Dirty Bint on Tue, 06 July 2010, 09:46:24
Quote from: Bruce;198365
Hi All

I’m proud to announce that we have signed an agreement with Topre to make their high quality Realforce keyboards available to the European Market.

In the first instance, we will look to stock a printed 105 model in three or four language varieties. For widest appeal.

We’re polishing up a few details right now and I would hope to have stock in by October 2010.

Bruce



Never mind that expensive crap, get the Filco Tenkeyless UK sorted out !!


Rgds
Dirty Bint
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: krstf on Mon, 19 July 2010, 04:30:46
Great news,
even though I'm most interested in a tenkeyless version - hope you'll be getting those as well sooner than later - or a HHKB (if that's gonna happen..).

Keep up the good work,
cheers!!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Fri, 30 July 2010, 14:44:59
Very cool, here's my vote for offering ANSI as well though. I live in the ISO world, but hate it.
Title: Late enough!
Post by: Terrysko on Thu, 05 August 2010, 10:18:34
Quote from: Bruce;198365
We’re polishing up a few details right now and I would hope to have stock in by October 2010.

That's also for me good news. I hope it is also available than in white/gray instead of only black (Topre Realforce 105U, Model No. WE1100).
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: eliOcs on Thu, 05 August 2010, 11:11:46
I just wanted to give another vote to the Spanish layouts :D. I would definitely buy any topre or filco with spanish layout.

Keep up the your good work!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: norberto on Sat, 14 August 2010, 07:56:26
One vote for an AZERTY layout for french people.
Thanks.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 14 August 2010, 10:33:54
Quote from: grilkip;207853
Very cool, here's my vote for offering ANSI as well though. I live in the ISO world, but hate it.


Isn't US International the de facto standard layout for the Netherlands?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Sat, 14 August 2010, 10:58:22
Quote from: ch_123;212547
Isn't US International the de facto standard layout for the Netherlands?


I was under the impression that the vertical enter key means ISO, but upon reading up it appears not to be so.

But anyway, what I don't like is the vertical enter key that is very common here. People think it's trivial, but I can't stand it. Before I learned about mechanical keyboards I even imported rubber domes for this reason.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Thu, 30 September 2010, 04:18:15
It's almost october!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 30 September 2010, 07:41:16
Quote from: grilkip
It's almost october!


I'm really looking forward to seeing what they have, because I'm going to England in December. If they have something I like, I'll order it and pick it up when I get there!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: zefrer on Thu, 30 September 2010, 10:59:41
Quote from: Dirty Bint;199946
Never mind that expensive crap, get the Filco Tenkeyless UK sorted out !!


Rgds
Dirty Bint


Seconded, I'm looking to buy just that myself.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jim66 on Thu, 30 September 2010, 12:13:52
I will be looking forward to this.. Keep us informed.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: rwd on Thu, 30 September 2010, 18:32:35
First post here, as I've only just started seriously looking into getting a keyboard with a better feel and shorter body than the Enermax Aurora I've been tapping at for some years.

Before seeing this post, I emailed the Keyboard Company yesterday asking about Topre keyboards in the UK, and Bruce quickly responded to let me know that they expect to be getting them in in November or December. Hoping for an 87UB here...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 30 September 2010, 18:51:13
Quote from: rwd;228567
First post here, as I've only just started seriously looking into getting a keyboard with a better feel and shorter body than the Enermax Aurora I've been tapping at for some years.

Before seeing this post, I emailed the Keyboard Company yesterday asking about Topre keyboards in the UK, and Bruce quickly responded to let me know that they expect to be getting them in in November or December. Hoping for an 87UB here...


Hey rwd, welcome to GeekHack!

Unfortunately, Bruce said earlier in this thread that they will only get the full-size models first. Also, Brian from EliteKeyboards mentioned that the 87U will probably be very difficult to find new outside of Korea due to changes in Topre's distribution (which are still ongoing).

I reccomend the full-size models though, but that's because I use the numpad and feel a bit naked without it :D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: darkblader on Fri, 01 October 2010, 15:40:50
Will there a german layout of the Torpre? also what would be the Price?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Sat, 02 October 2010, 15:30:35
Hi Guys.

I'm hoping to have some news soon so I can post with accurate dates but things are well advanced and I'm optimistic we will have stock by the end of November or early December. We had a look at manual designs last week.

What I can say for sure is we ordered UK, German, Swedish/Finnish and French layouts.
I chose Topre Gold design.
That's a Black 105 Board, full size, with Gold lased lettering and Gold base plate.
I'm not sure how much of the base plate will be visible but I thought that was a nice touch. They will have the variable force switch array.

If there are any ANSI Tenkeyless models 'on the shelf' when our order is ready I will get some also but this is unsure right now.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: D-EJ915 on Sat, 02 October 2010, 16:44:14
That gold lettering should be pretty cool.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: darkblader on Sat, 02 October 2010, 16:44:37
what does the gold lettering mean?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Sat, 02 October 2010, 16:49:25
I can see it from earth.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: darkblader on Sat, 02 October 2010, 17:12:44
i like the black lettering more then the gold/yellow
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ekaros on Sat, 02 October 2010, 17:15:11
Quote from: darkblader;229098
i like the black lettering more then the gold/yellow


Still black on black would be kinda hard to sell non-geeks... With gold, some normal "sane" person might make mistake ;D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Sat, 02 October 2010, 17:49:46
I've found that the black on gray (though painful at times) has made me a better touch-typist.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Rajagra on Sat, 02 October 2010, 17:50:13
Quote from: darkblader;229098
i like the black lettering more then the gold/yellow


It's a good compromise. It's readable, but not harsh.

Probably ages better too. (Compared to white.)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 03 October 2010, 13:50:15
my all 45g ISO tkless won't come true after all!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 04 October 2010, 08:38:55
Quote from: Bruce;229048
They will have the variable force switch array.

If there are any ANSI Tenkeyless models 'on the shelf' when our order is ready I will get some also but this is unsure right now.

Bruce - any possibility of an all 55g version?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 04 October 2010, 08:58:07
why do people like the all 55g over an all 45g version anyway? the HHKB is all 45g, and its a middle weight compared to heavy 55g or light 30/35g.

I heard some bad stories about 55g
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 04 October 2010, 09:00:29
Quote from: ~Blood~
why do people like the all 55g over an all 45g version anyway? the HHKB is all 45g, and its a middle weight compared to heavy 55g or light 30/35g.

I heard some bad stories about 55g


What bad stories have you heard? I have 2 all 55g's and I love them. Never tried any other Topre weighting though. I just assumed that I would like it since I found cherry browns to be too light and black alps to be a good weighting but too...alps-y. I guess it's just a personal preference.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 04 October 2010, 10:56:33
lol. He probably got worried looking at my thread. But I've actually grown to like my all 55g despite all the complaining I did. I still bottom out all the time when using, and I'm much slower on my Topre than on any other keyboard, but it feels like the 55g is meant to be bottomed out on, it just feels so nice when you do. (sounds great too).

 There will be a time though when I try the variable weight.

(And I still love my Cherry brown board by the way)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: darkblader on Mon, 04 October 2010, 12:34:54
I also would like to get the 45g weight instant of the 55g.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 04 October 2010, 17:29:57
I want them all.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 04 October 2010, 17:42:42
Quote from: ironman31;229714
I want them all.


In a way I do too, but I want to know what the prices will be too :D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 04 October 2010, 23:28:25
expensive, and... expensive
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Tue, 05 October 2010, 11:06:31
but will it be .... too expensive?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 06 October 2010, 09:12:19
It'll never be too expensive. If it exists, someone will buy it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Wed, 06 October 2010, 10:03:36
I'd like the special edition of the HHKB with red laquer for 4000€
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 06 October 2010, 14:45:27
Quote from: ~Blood~;230450
I'd like the special edition of the HHKB with red laquer for 4000€


Joking? or does it actually exist?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Rajagra on Wed, 06 October 2010, 15:03:41
Yes, he's joking. It only cost $4440 (http://most-expensive.net/10-computer-keyboards).
They do a similarly nice scanner (http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/anniversary-edition-fujitsu-scanner-is-the-classiest-2010098/) now, a mere $3200.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Thu, 07 October 2010, 00:44:39
'lacquered with a brush made from the hair of virgins and sprinkled with gold dust'

totally worth it
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: woody on Wed, 13 October 2010, 14:46:05
I'd vote one more for Topre tenkeyless.
________
Mercedes-Benz in motorsport (http://www.mercedes-wiki.com/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_in_motorsport)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: CeeSA on Thu, 14 October 2010, 12:13:18
yes, tenkeyless
and german layout would be awesome
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Sun, 17 October 2010, 17:18:22
Pink 30g Otaku please?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 17 October 2010, 17:21:51
Quote from: NewbieOneKenobi
Pink 30g Otaku please?


I don't believe there are true otaku Realforce keyboards...the black on gray is pretty close though. Of course, you could always partially replace the keys with otaku HHKB keys.

Edit: I've never seen a pink Realforce either :D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 10 November 2010, 15:19:19
Quote from: Bruce;229048
Hi Guys.

I'm hoping to have some news soon so I can post with accurate dates but things are well advanced and I'm optimistic we will have stock by the end of November or early December. We had a look at manual designs last week.

What I can say for sure is we ordered UK, German, Swedish/Finnish and French layouts.
I chose Topre Gold design.
That's a Black 105 Board, full size, with Gold lased lettering and Gold base plate.
I'm not sure how much of the base plate will be visible but I thought that was a nice touch. They will have the variable force switch array.

If there are any ANSI Tenkeyless models 'on the shelf' when our order is ready I will get some also but this is unsure right now.

These are due to arrive any day now.
I did also get some in a Beige Tenkeyless USA model. This one I think.
http://www.topre.co.jp/e/products/comp/product26.html (http://www.topre.co.jp/e/products/comp/product26.html)
Also I have a small number of these coming in the next week or two.
http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=617 (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=617)

Pricing in the next day or two.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 10 November 2010, 16:29:50
The Black-Yellow One should be very expensive since it's a bit exclusive, am I wrong?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 10 November 2010, 17:04:21
Hi guilleguillaume
Welcome.
Given that we are talking Topre Super Yum Yum it shouldn't be too far out - I hope.
I haven't seen the carriage bill yet though.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 10 November 2010, 17:21:40
Quote from: Bruce;245134
These are due to arrive any day now.
I did also get some in a Beige Tenkeyless USA model. This one I think.
http://www.topre.co.jp/e/products/comp/product26.html (http://www.topre.co.jp/e/products/comp/product26.html)
Also I have a small number of these coming in the next week or two.
http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=617 (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=617)

Pricing in the next day or two.


Awesome. Thanks for the effort.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 10 November 2010, 18:37:49
Quote from: Bruce;245175
Hi guilleguillaume
Welcome.
Given that we are talking Topre Super Yum Yum it shouldn't be too far out - I hope.
I haven't seen the carriage bill yet though.

Thanks for the fast response.

Anyway I'm really interested in having a Topre Keyboard and I first thought about buying a HHKB 2 but a Tenkeyless Realforce was in my mind too, now with this  Black/Yellow Realforce I may change my decission and go  for a this one.

One problem it's that I don't really understand what is the objective of that Keys near the Space key and what function do they do on the keyboard. I'm afraid if the JP Layout will be a problem for writing in Spanish ( I'm from Spain so don't really know since I only have experience with Spanish Layout and the 7G).

I show you a photo ( It's not mine  but i have the same keyboard with the Red Esc and Purple WASD too), as you can notice it have the Ñ near the L and the Ç just near the Back Space( I only need it when I write in Catalan, yes the language that the people from Barcelona speak :P):

(http://imgur.com/gRoi0.jpg)


Do you think i will have too much trouble if i caonfigure correctly the Language on Windows?

I'm adapted to the small Back Space Key so it's nice it come with it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Wed, 10 November 2010, 19:43:28
Quote from: Bruce;245175
Hi guilleguillaume
Welcome.
Given that we are talking Topre Super Yum Yum it shouldn't be too far out - I hope.
I haven't seen the carriage bill yet though.


Maybe a stupid question but what's Super Yum Yum, Bruce?

And good too see you're getting some UK and US layouts... The UK layout is what I grew up with and the US layout is what everybody in Poland is using (not the Polish 214 layout, we all use Polish Programmer's, which is the US layout with special chars being achieved with AltGr). I'm getting tempted.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: eliOcs on Thu, 11 November 2010, 12:10:31
No chance of asking topre for a set of spanish keycaps? I already bought a blank filco and switched the keys with an spanish cherry keyboard, maybe topre will sell keycap sets.
You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one ;)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:56:21
Yum (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=790)
Yum Yum (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794)
And Super Yum Yum (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=617).

All in stock now.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 16 November 2010, 14:58:15
Bruce - can you point us to the link on your website for the Super Yum Yum?
:D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:10:15
Sorry, didn't quite get that one listed today.
**embarrassed face**
It'll be up tomorrow.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Tue, 16 November 2010, 15:30:57
Bruce I was going to ask about the Price today and WOW you just put them in Stock, that's actually fantastic.

I'm interested in the Super Yum Yum price since the white one won't match my all black peripherals but I was thinking about a HHKB 2 too....mmm that Black-Yellow seems a delicious choice.

May be a xtreme choice to get that colour combination but at the same time I'm tempted to get it.

I will have to think this night on it while sleeping.

I read that the Super Yum Yum it's all 45g weighted.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 16 November 2010, 20:40:00
I'm really interested in the all 45g board :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Tue, 16 November 2010, 21:00:40
Ugh...the least expensive board (Yum) is $309.50 shipped to USA. Assuming the super yum yum is more expensive than that, these look to be out of my price range unfortunately :(
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 17 November 2010, 06:17:41
I supose that getting those keyboards to europe must not be so cheap for Bruce & Keyboard Company so it have to bee reflected on the final Price. But well they are the unique in Europe/USA that now can provide many Europe Layouts so that's nice.

The Realforce91UBY ( The Yellow/Black one that I read it's suposed to be all 45g weighted, I should be wrong but i read it on Diatec and other pages that provide them in Japan) it's in Japan near the 22500 JPY = 169 GBP = 200€ aprox. so we can think that only for the effort from bringing them here from Japan when them are only sold there may increase a bit the price.

Anyway I will wait until Bruce upload the Super Yum Yum Price on the web to decide ^^ I'm thinking about future colour combinations mmm:
(http://image.rakuten.co.jp/filco/cabinet/00756941/img55995073.jpg)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: NewbieOneKenobi on Wed, 17 November 2010, 07:45:42
Any chance of total black (pref. blank) tenkeyless without Japanese stuff?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: zefrer on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:12:45
Very *refresh* interested in that 91U *refresh* :) Thanks for the effort Bruce.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:24:51
Thanks Everyone.

Super Yum Yum (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=795) now live.
That has black WASD, yellow capslock and ctrl and a puller in the box. All 45g.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:33:26
Hey Bruce - I'm not seeing a price. It says "NG02Y0 Sorry this product has been DISCONTINUED"
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 17 November 2010, 08:49:20
Me too. I'm not able to see the price. I hope it's not sold out yet :P
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Wed, 17 November 2010, 09:57:36
Wow its japanese but doesn't have kana letters printed on it? Thats something for real otakus. I've been thinking about buying it for a stay in Japan but thats impossible.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:15:14
so most of the japanese people are big otaku? or do they just use a-z
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:34:20
185 pounds

edit: and are there no quotation marks on japanese keyboards?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 17 November 2010, 10:42:31
Now we have the Price for the Super Yum Yum  and it's £217.38 inc. VAT keyboardlover and it's 256 € and 345 US dollars plus the Shipping.

For me here in Spain it will be 231.45 GBP that it's 272€.


keyboardlover look at the pics from this Thread:

http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=190051&postcount=7
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Rajagra on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:02:53
Nom nom. If I didn't have a Truly Ergonomic in the pipeline I'd get one of those now. If that pipeline never flows then I'll know how to console myself.

I'll dig out my cheapo Japanese keyboard and see if I can make good enough use of the extra keys to sway me. Time to update my Eezeboard AHK script!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 17 November 2010, 11:43:40
Ah, good. I have been aware that this moment was approaching, worried that I might spend next month living on tinned beans and fried egg sandwiches. All this interest means that with any luck these guys will be sold out before I reach pay day!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 17 November 2010, 13:04:45
Quote from: guilleguillaume

keyboardlover look at the pics from this Thread:
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=190051&postcount=7


Thanks guillaume...I already know that it's sexy :D
Looks like the cheapest option to the USA with shipping is $333...still too expensive for me :\
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:22:26
I'm in.

Definetely tomorrow I will put the money on my Paypal account to purchase this awesome Keyboard. I've been thinking about how to reduce the impact of the price and I just found that i have some things here to sell that will help me to pay that and not spend the hole price.

The 6 of November  was my Birthday so I will make me a real Geek Gift ^^

Thanks Bruce for the Effort.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:31:56
Awesome...congrats! Be sure to post photos when you get it!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 14:38:09
What are the downsides to a Japanese layout? How many characters are missing?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:13:26
Have a play with this ironman

Microsoft tool for international layouts (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964651.aspx)
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Post by: Rajagra on Wed, 17 November 2010, 16:47:26
Quote from: ironman31;248165
What are the downsides to a Japanese layout? How many characters are missing?


If it's like mine, you lose the right-hand Windows key but gain 5 others. (Compared to US layout.)
It also does not have the extra key of ISO/Euro layouts.

So after using KeyTweak / Sharpkeys / a registry edit, worst case is you are three keys better off.

The extra keys:

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Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 18:19:37
Ah, I looked at the pictures posted by Laggy and saw that the quotation is above the 2. Now I just have to think about spending 340 dollars keyboard.
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Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 17 November 2010, 18:57:12
Quote from: ripster;248258
If you get the black one the non-US shifted characters layout on the number row matters little.

You  really can't see them anyway.  Otherwise just plug it in and it'll act like a regular keyboard with an itty bitty space bar.   Think oompa loompa space bar.


Ok, well that makes it a lot better
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 18 November 2010, 07:25:42
(http://imgur.com/y3bu8.jpg)

^^

Saving money for unique gifts it's special. I will post my impressions next week when I receive the Keyboard. I know it's a bit expensive but I think I will appreciate this so much when I put my hands on it. Even if I've chosen to buy a HHKB 2 or some kind of Topre from EK I will have spent nearly the same so I prefer to buy this from the UK since I have good experience with Keyboardco but anyway there are not Black Tenkeyless in EK so I make the right decission.

It's strange that at home they said "WOW this keyboard it's so cool!" since every time I spend money on peripherals or computers they blame me because my room it's plenty of hardware and mice. I will have to clean up things to get money back.

Thank you ! :D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 18 November 2010, 07:38:10
You will love it and plus you'll have a Realforce model that probably won't ever be available via EK anyway. Don't forget to post photos!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: woody on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:04:22
Bruce, is the Realforce Tenkeyless (86/87) with uniform weight a mystical beast that TKC can't get a hold of?

EDIT: I mean, the currently offered white 86u is interesting enough to give it a try, but variable weight won't work for me.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 18 November 2010, 08:11:52
woody here is the description of the 86U:
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794 (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794)

"Now available the Topre Realforce86U keyboard. It incorporates Topre's patented 30 million key life cycle non-contact electrostatic capacitance switches. The switch weight has been adjusted across the width of keyboard depending on their relative positions and usage (55gm, 45gm & 35gm), to minimize fatigue for users, even after extended use, and are highly durable. The classic black on grey keycaps with their tactile feel and N Key Rollover ensure fast and accurate input.
The keyboard can be customized via 4 Dip Switches and the inclusion of swappable CTRL/CapsLock keys and keycap removal tool which allow you to:-

    * Switch 1: Swap location of CapsLock key and Left Ctrl key
    * Switch 2: Disable Windows key and AP key
    * Switch 3: Swap location of Ctrl key and Alt key
    * Switch 4: Disable Menu/AP key"

So I understand that it's actually variable weight if i'm not wrong.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 18 November 2010, 09:04:24
Right, he's saying he doesn't want a variable weight board; he wants a uniform weighted Realforce.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:03:21
Hi Woody.

I took those as Topre had some on the shelf.
I am not sure if or when any Tenkeyless uniform switch will come up in that way, there are none available right now.
Of course, 87 yellow keys, all 45 ...... Super Yum Yum.
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Post by: woody on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:03:33
Yup, I wonder what's the story about them - have they been limited run, obsoleted, or what. An explanation that Topre are steadily moving into variable only may work as well.
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Post by: woody on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:08:00
Thanks, Bruce. Any logistical info you might get on the 86/87 uniform could be beneficial to this thread.

Quote from: Bruce;248592
Of course, 87 yellow keys, all 45 ...... Super Yum Yum.

Umm ... that's 4 too many keys (91). ;-)
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Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:10:23
Quote from: woody
An explanation that Topre are steadily moving into variable only may work as well.


So my 55g's might be collector's items? Yea baby!
I'm in the moneyyyyyyy $$$$$$ ;)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: woody on Thu, 18 November 2010, 10:20:13
Only if they're 86/87 and somebody confirms what's going on. :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 26 November 2010, 14:04:37
I received today my Super Yum Yum so many thanks to all the people from Keyboard Company.

Yhat's a very solid keyboard, lovely.

Very happy with it and so fast, shipped on monday evening and it arrived on Friday morning.
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Post by: ktkr on Sun, 28 November 2010, 09:13:35
I had absolutely no intention buying a Topre until I saw 86U on KBC.

Going to put an order in soon. Damn you, Bruce.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 30 November 2010, 09:26:26
My 91UBY has just arrived. Many thanks to Bruce and Rob at The Keyboard Company who responded to my emails very quickly. Lovely keyboard though it take me a while to get used to the having all that yellow in my peripheral vision.:doh:
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: rEiGN on Tue, 30 November 2010, 16:29:41
White, tenkeyless Topre with an EU layout would be such a dream come true. :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 02 December 2010, 11:03:59
:( I asked bruce and he said they would try and keep them in stock if they sold. So maybe next time for me if the price stays the same
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Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 02 December 2010, 11:45:31
Of course, how much is it being advertised besides on this site?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 02 December 2010, 19:52:14
Ah, but people in Japan do not buy from keyboardco
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Post by: Senor_Cartmenez on Fri, 03 December 2010, 09:23:03
Wait they are sold out already?

Goood damnit!

I was keeping on track with this constantly, when I was informed they arrived, I was surprised how quick it all went down (normally this stuff always gets delayed ...) and wasn't ready to buy yet (actually was thinking around/after christmas I'd decide, also depending on the availability of the x-armor)...

And now they are gone? Oh noes!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 03 December 2010, 16:58:45
I should be ordering one if they restock, just found out I'm working my whole winter break [   :) & :(   ]
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 03 December 2010, 17:29:30
We are going to re-stock.
It was just a tester batch. I can't tell you too much but these are selling better than our UK ones right now.
Not confirmed just yet but I would hope to have more around about Christmas.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 03 December 2010, 18:04:48
Quote from: Bruce

Not confirmed just yet but I would hope to have more around about Christmas.


Looks like it's going to be a merry one =)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c4A0Par9x04/SwDgZ-kSs0I/AAAAAAAAAEA/0-ya4856uds/s400/SRWstockingsxmas.jpg)
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Post by: ironman31 on Sat, 04 December 2010, 11:47:23
Awesome. Can't wait. Hopefully ill have that kind of money to spend by then
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Minskleip on Sun, 12 December 2010, 16:50:49
I'm also interested in HHKB3!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: search24pc on Fri, 17 December 2010, 23:39:02
Can any one post a few more info regarding this.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 05 January 2011, 18:35:46
Since you removed the 91 UBY from your website, does this mean they are gone for good?
:(
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 07 January 2011, 15:53:47
Quote from: ironman31;273718
Since you removed the 91 UBY from your website, does this mean they are gone for good?
:(


I hope not.

It will be like a kick in the ass for some of you that where waiting for them to buy.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 07 January 2011, 15:56:48
It's not all bad...at least EK got the 86UB in stock!

Overall, a decent Christmas.

(http://comseur.com/xmascard07/images/booyah.jpg)
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Post by: Eclairz on Sat, 08 January 2011, 16:17:48
Too bad, I was looking forward to a Topre 91UBY or a variant with grey/white keys and same spring tension within key switch. I didn't even know the keyboard company supplied them until 2 weeks ago and by then it was too late :-(.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Sat, 08 January 2011, 16:25:33
I wouldn't hesitate one second to order this one (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=791), if it was available in white/gray and with all 55g switches...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: piotrek on Mon, 17 January 2011, 13:22:20
Quote from: bugfix;275347
I wouldn't hesitate one second to order this one (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=791), if it was available in white/gray and with all 55g switches...


Second that. The sound of the capacitive switches is amazing and while i find the Filcos (for us Germans) overpriced for their pretty cheap Plastic-Sound i wouldn't hesitate spending the ****load of money it costs on this Keyboard (especially tenkeyless/white) as i would for a German-Layout HHKB as the typing on them sounds so solid and damped :(
Is this still the punishment for our little try on world dominion? Come on, who doesn't want that? : D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Mon, 17 January 2011, 13:41:42
I decided to give the weighted version a try in February, I figure I can still sell it if I don't like it at all.
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Post by: grilkip on Mon, 17 January 2011, 14:17:08
Quote from: piotrek;279943
Is this still the punishment for our little try on world dominion? Come on, who doesn't want that? : D


Yup.
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Post by: piotrek on Tue, 18 January 2011, 06:11:10
Quote from: grilkip;279964
Yup.


I surely wasn't talking to a guy from the Netherlands lol.
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Post by: bugfix on Tue, 18 January 2011, 06:13:28
Quote from: piotrek;280283
I surely wasn't talking to a guy from the Netherlands lol.


They're kinda prejudiced in that regard...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Johannes on Tue, 18 January 2011, 11:24:28
Any chance for an all-45g tenkeyless ANSI or ISO layout RF? with 2 Windows keys (just so RAlt is closer)? Probably far-fetched, but I'd definitely buy that.
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Post by: bugfix on Tue, 18 January 2011, 11:29:32
Quote
We do intend to build up a wide selection of Topre but we won't be getting an all 55g Full size in German for a long while yet.
Tenkeyless is my next big task.


I think that should be applicable to 45g as well.
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Post by: piotrek on Tue, 18 January 2011, 12:00:52
WOW, so the 170€ you pay for the finnish Topre translate to 192GBP (230€) on thekeyboardco? DADANG!! thats.... hefty... :(
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 18 January 2011, 12:07:23
Quote from: piotrek;280451
WOW, so the 170€ you pay for the finnish Topre translate to 192GBP (230€) on thekeyboardco? DADANG!! thats.... hefty... :(


+20 pounds shipping

260€ all in all.

Still undecided whether or not I should really get one, for the same money I could get a SpaceSaver and a Filco tenkeyless...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: piotrek on Tue, 18 January 2011, 13:01:11
(http://www.fishernuts.com/images/nuttyfacts_hazelnuts.jpg)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 18 January 2011, 13:02:43
Any tips on how to solve that riddle you posted?
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Post by: piotrek on Tue, 18 January 2011, 13:38:20
Nuts
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Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 20 January 2011, 22:05:23
Quote from: piotrek;280451
WOW, so the 170€ you pay for the finnish Topre translate to 192GBP (230€) on thekeyboardco? DADANG!! thats.... hefty... :(


Hmm, yep it's seems bit though comparison. Still, not getting one of these for myself atleast for now...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 25 January 2011, 05:27:18
Just ordered the Realforce I just hope they're not kidding with the next day shipping...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 01 February 2011, 16:30:06
Now that I have the Realforce, I can't wait till they finally get the tenkeyless...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 09 February 2011, 16:42:21
I have Tenkeyless Topre samples due in the next week or so.
After that it can be quite quick.
I need feedback on Switches, Layouts and Print type.
There are a lot of choices and I will have to Cherry pick.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 09 February 2011, 16:42:46
I have Tenkeyless Topre samples due in the next week or so.
After that it can be quite quick.
I need feedback on Switches, Layouts and Print type.
There are a lot of choices and I will have to Cherry pick.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 09 February 2011, 16:49:28
Bruce - any chance of restocking the 91UBY?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 09 February 2011, 17:21:39
Hi KL
I don't see it happening in the next few months.
Would you still like the same thing in a USA layout? That may be more do-able.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 09 February 2011, 17:22:57
I know I definitely would like a USA layout all 45 g. :D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 09 February 2011, 17:58:20
I couldn't personally afford KeyboardCo's prices...was mainly just wondering for other users.
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Post by: bugfix on Thu, 10 February 2011, 00:50:37
Quote from: Bruce;292502
I have Tenkeyless Topre samples due in the next week or so.
After that it can be quite quick.


Sounds great :smile:
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Twitchy on Wed, 16 February 2011, 03:21:56
Intriguing!
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 18 February 2011, 08:39:31
Quote from: Bruce;292523
Hi KL
I don't see it happening in the next few months.
Would you still like the same thing in a USA layout? That may be more do-able.


Any chance is this going to happen? I want to buy a white uniform 45g tenkeyless in US layout.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Fri, 18 February 2011, 08:46:13
I know I probably shouldn't be so impatient, but...When will they arrive?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 18 February 2011, 09:15:15
I'm pretty sure this will be one of the first places he'll let know when a new Realforce comes out, lol.
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Post by: bugfix on Fri, 18 February 2011, 09:29:11
It's their own fault that I'm bugging them about this so much. The Realforce they sold me is awesome and their service is great, no wonder I won't go away ^^
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Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 18 February 2011, 09:31:34
Quote from: bugfix;297207
It's their own fault that I'm bugging them about this so much. The Realforce they sold me is awesome and their service is great, no wonder I won't go away ^^


lol. If this US layout all-45g becomes a reality, I was very lucky that I didn't get to purchase the 91UBY.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Fri, 18 February 2011, 09:37:08
Quote from: ironman31;297210
I was very lucky that I didn't get to purchase the 91UBY.


I personally can't stand the yellow keys it has.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 18 February 2011, 10:16:45
Yeah those are weird.
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Post by: Twitchy on Fri, 18 February 2011, 10:20:41
An all 45g tenkeyless in a UK layout please. Oh, and while we're all making wishes...

Can I have that with orange keys please? :biggrin:


*edit* I love my yellow keys!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 20 February 2011, 07:31:23
Despite the fact that I am in the EU I hate ISO layout. Ansi layout ftw.
white Topre > all other colour Topre
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Post by: bugfix on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:25:40
Quote from: RiGS;298193

white Topre > all other colour Topre


I agree. While I really like my black Topre, the spacebar is already showing signs of shinyness, after only one month of use.

@Bruce: Will the new tenkeyless also be available in white?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:33:16
Topre White Tenkeyless. Is that black print, or is there a white on white?
Sounds nice but I can only ask. I am thinking black on black to be honest and I will have to get them all the same I think.
Are we talking ANSI or ISO now?
Has such a beast been known from Topre before? That always makes a difference.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:33:23
Topre White Tenkeyless. Is that black print, or is there a white on white?
Sounds nice but I can only ask. I am thinking black on black to be honest and I will have to get them all the same I think.
Are we talking ANSI or ISO now?
Has such a beast been known from Topre before? That always makes a difference.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:35:47
Black print on white keys ansi layout.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:38:14
Black on white German ISO :P

Nah, I'd buy it all as long as it's tenkeyless and Topre.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:38:44
There hasn't been an all45g in any layout besides japanese, I don't think
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:41:10
Black on blacks are hard to see in the dark and they are tend to get shiny faster. Also white keyboard is more aesthetically pleasing.
All 45g is better for gaming and ISO layout with the shorter left shift doesn't make any sense. I also think uniform 45g ANSI would definitely get more interest over US geekhackers.
Are the new models have the integrated virtual numpad?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:43:06
I am getting all 45g on these.
Also they are going to send me an all 30g sample to look at but that would come later.
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Post by: bugfix on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:47:04
Quote from: Bruce;299496
I am getting all 45g on these.


Nice, although by now I'm used to the weighted keys.

Edit: Will the price be the same as for the 86U (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=794)? And will these new ones have the LEDs integrated into the keys (like the87u) or separate like on the 86U?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:50:37
Quote from: Bruce;299496
I am getting all 45g on these.
Also they are going to send me an all 30g sample to look at but that would come later.


All 30g? Man, that has got to be one featherweight keyboard.
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Post by: bugfix on Tue, 22 February 2011, 15:53:01
Quote from: db_Iodine;299499
All 30g? Man, that has got to be one featherweight keyboard.


Yeah, I doubt I would like that. IMHO the 30g on my Realforce don't feel as "pronounced" as the 45g keys.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: vynn on Tue, 22 February 2011, 23:55:29
Quote from: Bruce;299496
I am getting all 45g on these.

which layout?
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 23 February 2011, 05:56:23
Layouts are going to be UK, German, French and Swede/Finn and USA.
It is colour, weight and print type I am still deciding on.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Wed, 23 February 2011, 06:02:37
I for one would really like a white one.

Printed/blank or Uniform/weighted don't really matter that much to me personally.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 23 February 2011, 06:41:39
Quote from: Bruce;299755
Layouts are going to be UK, German, French and Swede/Finn and USA.
It is colour, weight and print type I am still deciding on.


Go Yellow!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 23 February 2011, 07:03:21
I don't understand why but I'm thinking about those Topres while I already have the Realforce 91UBY...that's madness!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bugfix on Wed, 23 February 2011, 08:08:54
Can't be bad to have a backup.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 23 February 2011, 08:15:50
Quote from: guilleguillaume;299773
I don't understand why but I'm thinking about those Topres while I already have the Realforce 91UBY...that's madness!


you could sell it to me and buy yourself a new one
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Psykal on Wed, 23 February 2011, 09:09:13
Are these tenkeyless boards?

Quote from: ironman31;299768
Go Yellow!


Seconding this!
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Post by: RiGS on Wed, 02 March 2011, 13:48:16
Quote from: Bruce;299755
Layouts are going to be UK, German, French and Swede/Finn and USA.
It is colour, weight and print type I am still deciding on.


Any update on the color of the USA layout Realforce?
Are the new models have the integrated virtual numpad?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 02 March 2011, 13:58:04
I think I am going to go with Black on Black. It seemed likely to have the widest appeal.

What's the virtual number pad? Is that embedded in the qwerty section on a function key press? Not sure about that, it hasn't been mentioned.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 02 March 2011, 14:20:11
Bruce if I'm not wrong it works like on the Noppoo that when you press the Num Block you use this part to use the virtual number pad:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/4231671537_8b6f1f3baf.jpg)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 02 March 2011, 14:34:49
Too bad I think the black on white Realforce is a better option.
It won't get shiny like the black one and the lettering is visible in the dark.
However a poll on this would be interesting.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 02 March 2011, 15:34:20
I'd be interested in a poll.
3 way choice?

Black on Black
White/Gold on Black
Black on White.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 02 March 2011, 16:13:02
I have created a 3 way choice poll.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15808 (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15808)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 02 March 2011, 17:47:57
Quote from: Bruce;303565
What's the virtual number pad? Is that embedded in the qwerty section on a function key press? Not sure about that, it hasn't been mentioned.


Here is a picture of it. Windowed keys would be also nice.
(http://www.leopold.co.kr/data/cheditor/0903/realforce87_2_copy1.jpg)
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 02 March 2011, 18:03:13
Thank You, that's excellent.
Early days but it is already indicating some rapid rethink may be needed......
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: javifast on Wed, 02 March 2011, 18:06:02
I'd like a 55g ISO 88UW.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 06 March 2011, 15:32:52
Any updates Bruce?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: db_Iodine on Mon, 07 March 2011, 07:34:56
Hey Bruce. Thanks for offering US layout keyboards for those of us who are mad enough to prefer that one. I just got fed up with waiting for my local Realforce dealer to stock the Realforce tenkeyeless, and ordered a 86UB from you. I'm really looking forward to getting my first Realforce!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: MF_ on Wed, 09 March 2011, 11:29:06
Does the Realforce 86U have the integrated numpad?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 09 March 2011, 11:44:49
No
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 09 March 2011, 11:47:45
Quote from: MF_;308534
Does the Realforce 86U have the integrated numpad?


Nope. However, I would prefer the 86U with nums/leds over the 87U.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: MF_ on Wed, 09 March 2011, 13:06:20
Thanks. I hope they will stock it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 09 March 2011, 13:27:33
I find that the integrated numpad that I have on my Noppoo and Ducky is absolutely useless to me. Because the keys aren't aligned like they are on a normal numpad, it's much harder to use them. I'll just stick with learning to touch type the number row.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 09 March 2011, 13:34:56
I made that layout with autohotkey and I found it very comfortable for excel.
I also think the windowed keycaps are very nice.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wanabe on Thu, 10 March 2011, 16:23:04
Bruce - If you can get a custom order with RF, can you try and get a more consistent look for the modifiers?  something about the font sizing and/or alignment makes it look off to my eye.

For instance...
-the "Tab" and "Caps Lock" use a larger font than "Shift", "Ctrl", and "Alt"
-the "Home" key is printed even smaller than the word "Home" on the 7 numpad key
-My "Page Down" looks slightly bolded compared to "Page Up"

maybe it's just me, anyone else see this?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 10 March 2011, 16:42:02
Quote from: wanabe;309412
Bruce - If you can get a custom order with RF, can you try and get a more consistent look for the modifiers?  something about the font sizing and/or alignment makes it look off to my eye.

For instance...
-the "Tab" and "Caps Lock" use a larger font than "Shift", "Ctrl", and "Alt"
-the "Home" key is printed even smaller than the word "Home" on the 7 numpad key
-My "Page Down" looks slightly bolded compared to "Page Up"

maybe it's just me, anyone else see this?


I see it too, but I don't really care about it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wanabe on Mon, 14 March 2011, 16:49:12
yeah it doesn't really bug me all that much.  it's more like "really?  you chose to use 5 different fonts for the modifiers? really??"
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Tue, 15 March 2011, 18:06:00
Having tried both all 55g and variable Realforces, I can say that I think an all 45g board would be a great idea, regardless of color schemes.

55g feels nice and firm but it gets a bit tiring after typing for duration, I find the variable pretty nice but the light keys such as A are just a tad too light.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 16 March 2011, 04:26:38
Quote from: kalrykh;312490
I have a 45g topre and I think the sex that is topre is lost on the lighter switch.


So do you prefer the 55g Topre to a 45g Topre? I think the 55g feels a bit too stiff for my taste and the 45g just perfect. The lighter keys do indeed feel a bit too light and lack the proper tactile feedback.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 16 March 2011, 06:02:54
Quote from: db_Iodine;312560
So do you prefer the 55g Topre to a 45g Topre? I think the 55g feels a bit too stiff for my taste and the 45g just perfect. The lighter keys do indeed feel a bit too light and lack the proper tactile feedback.


For me it all depends on what I'm doing, gaming and typing in long sections I prefer the variable, but gaming and coding I use the all55g
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: db_Iodine on Wed, 16 March 2011, 06:41:13
I love my variable for typing but I can definitely notice a difference between the force in s and d which might affect my gaming a bit. Also the force required for qaz seems to bit even lower and I use those keys for gaming as well.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 17 March 2011, 06:45:59
At this point I don't like the the 45g domes, and I do not intersted in them any longer. They have to much tactility to my taste.
My favourite domes in my 105U are the lightest 35g domes. Those are awesome.
I hope Keyboard Co will sell an all 35g tenkeyless Realforce in the future.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 17 March 2011, 06:47:12
Why don't you just get a tenkeyless Filco with reds then? Pretty similar.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 17 March 2011, 06:52:11
I don't like the friction in the cherry switches, however a lil bit of RO-59 could help on that.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 17 March 2011, 06:56:00
Friction? Cherry reds? Lolwut?
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Post by: ktkr on Thu, 17 March 2011, 07:21:32
Quote from: db_Iodine;312587
I love my variable for typing but I can definitely notice a difference between the force in s and d which might affect my gaming a bit. Also the force required for qaz seems to bit even lower and I use those keys for gaming as well.


S and D are supposed to be similar weight...

The keys you use with your pinkies (if you touch type the standard way), like QAZ are lighter, as intended.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 17 March 2011, 07:44:09
RiGS coming from Blacks it's normal to feel that Topre 45g are too much tactile. I love the way they feel on my Realforce 91 UBY.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 17 March 2011, 07:52:22
Quote from: keyboardlover;313175
Friction? Cherry reds? Lolwut?


Over time the switch slider and the switch housing creates friction.
It is hard to explain if you haven't experienced it.
That's why Koreans lube that part to get a better feel, and as a result the strokes get smoother in a sense.
Unfortunately, it also attracts dust which could kill the switch sooner.
Probably that's the reason they apply stickers (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=275741&postcount=17).

On the other hand, I do not feel any friction in the topre switch.
The 35g domes somehow feel like they have a shorter key travel, and they need a constant force to press them all the way down.
Also the lack of the improperly placed bump in the 35g dome, which not allows me to touch type, and to ride the activation point easily makes the 35g topre dome my favourite.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: javifast on Thu, 17 March 2011, 09:41:53
Quote from: guilleguillaume;313195
RiGS coming from Blacks it's normal to feel that Topre 45g are too much tactile. I love the way they feel on my Realforce 91 UBY.


Which of your keyboards do you like more?
Or what is your favorite switch??
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Post by: RiGS on Thu, 17 March 2011, 13:39:17
Quote from: javifast;313254
Which of your keyboards do you like more?
Or what is your favorite switch??


I prefer the Steelseries for gaming, because I have more control/precision with them over the actuation point, and the keycaps have a much better grip.
Ironically the filmsy abs keycaps are better for gaming than the high quality Topre keys.
I have less or no accidental keypresses with the mx black switches.
I think a very skilled gamer would have an edge with the Steelseries over the Realforce.
The Steelseries have a full NKRO over PS2, when the Realforce is only 6KRO.

However I can type faster with the Realforce, and the white Realforce is very useful at night.

I also enjoy gaming on them when I tired, or when I don't need that kind of precision.

I like the media keys on the Steelseries 6gv2, however I can use them as well on the Realforce with a software.

The case construction of the Steelseries is much more solid.

Funny that I do not wanted to have more than one keyboard on my desk, and had an intent to sell my other keyboard, yet I keep the Realforce only because it was 100€ shipped to me.
It was totally worth it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 18 March 2011, 15:37:07
6KRO vs NKRO doesn't matter for me, ony the precision of the mx black switches, and the fact that the filmsy ABS keycaps are not slippery while gaming.

I can easily flex the case of my full size Realforce.
Also the two half of the case are not secured tightly, it feels like it can be taken apart using my fingernails.
However the case of the SS even witheld a truck abuse.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 18 March 2011, 15:42:14
Quote from: RiGS;314049
I can easily flex the case of my full size Realforce.
O.o??? You must be pretty strong
Quote from: RiGS;314049
Also the two half of the case are not secured tightly, it feels like it can be taken apart using my fingernails.

I can see this. The left side of my white Realforce fits snug, but the right side's top half over hangs the bottom just a little bit. It seemed cheap at first, but the clips holding the top and bottom together seems to be pretty stout.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 18 March 2011, 15:46:10
Quote from: ripster;314052
I can take mine apart with my fingernails.  This came in handy when I spilled some tea on one corner. Pop - Pop and a quick wipe/blowdry and I was done.


Guess those Topre engineers had a good idea
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 18 March 2011, 15:56:27
Ripster
Drinking tea?
We'll make an Englishman of you yet!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ktkr on Tue, 22 March 2011, 11:15:12
What are the chances of TKC getting low-noise models of Realforce? Ideally US ANSI and tenkeyless, like the currently available 86U and 86UB models.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bpiphany on Wed, 23 March 2011, 17:53:47
Are there any key sets available for realforce boards? Having white replacements for your dark gray realforces would be cool. White keys in a dark frame has got to be one of the wickedest looking computer peripherals.

Also, I have this urge to dye my modifier (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=267336&postcount=132) keys on my realforce, but if I screw it up I will be one sad swede.. Having spare keys (still at a topre level of cost) would make the descision a bit easier.

Or perhaps it would be possible to sell a gray modifier only set. They should be the same on most language layouts (ANSI and ISO differences not taken into account)

At the moment the only "readily" available spare key sets are the HHKB ones from elitekeyboards.
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Post by: RiGS on Wed, 23 March 2011, 18:40:58
You can get replacement modifiers in green, red, and yellow from Verkkokuappa (http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=30246), but please note that the picture colour is not accurate.

(http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/101988_01.jpg)

You can also buy HHKB replacement keycaps from EliteKeyboards.

(http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/pdkb400ktwn_xl_th620x400.jpg)
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Post by: Johannes on Sat, 26 March 2011, 06:01:56
Any chance for a tenkeyless with 2 Windows keys just so Alt Gr is closer? That's what keeping me from buying the 86U.
Also, ideally all-45g or all-55g, ANSI or ISO.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Voyageur on Thu, 31 March 2011, 03:33:00
Bruce, I'm starting to think you live to drain bank accounts, especially mine ;) I could not resist, and had to order one of these french Topre for home.

Oh well, at least it should make some people happy at home (strange folks who do not like the blank layout on my Das)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 01 April 2011, 04:25:31
Poll ending any minute.
White is winning by a nose.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: AgentHeavy on Tue, 05 April 2011, 14:41:52
Quote from: RiGS;313394
I prefer the Steelseries for gaming, because I have more control/precision with them over the actuation point, and the keycaps have a much better grip.
Ironically the filmsy abs keycaps are better for gaming than the high quality Topre keys.
I have less or no accidental keypresses with the mx black switches.
I think a very skilled gamer would have an edge with the Steelseries over the Realforce.
The Steelseries have a full NKRO over PS2, when the Realforce is only 6KRO.

However I can type faster with the Realforce, and the white Realforce is very useful at night.

I also enjoy gaming on them when I tired, or when I don't need that kind of precision.

I like the media keys on the Steelseries 6gv2, however I can use them as well on the Realforce with a software.

The case construction of the Steelseries is much more solid.

Funny that I do not wanted to have more than one keyboard on my desk, and had an intent to sell my other keyboard, yet I keep the Realforce only because it was 100€ shipped to me.
It was totally worth it.


The fact that RF multi-weight is not for gaming is true.
I make more mistakes in game than with my full 55g one.
However i don't agree with you about the build quality. It's top notch.
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Post by: IanM on Wed, 06 April 2011, 20:57:42
Was a choice made on the colour of the 45g edition tenkeyless? and was it to be the traditional Realforce keyswitches, or the new fangled silent flavour? EDIT: I favour the silent flavour.


------------------------

Topre announced celebratory coloured keycaps for their anniversary, 108 key JIS flavor:    SA0100KT1: white
SA0100KT2: sky-blue
SA0100KT3: red
SA0100KT4: yellow
SA0100KT5: orange
what would it take to get some pretty colours for the EU (and US) Realforce boards?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 08 April 2011, 08:10:19
I hope this 45g comes out when the value of the dollar doesn't completely suck
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 08 April 2011, 08:29:51
Quote from: ironman31;326661
I hope this 45g comes out when the value of the dollar doesn't completely suck


Have you changed your vote to white?
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Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 08 April 2011, 10:14:49
Quote from: RiGS;326672
Have you changed your vote to white?


I'm pretty sure I asked for it to be changed, but if I didn't, I would definitely rather have black on white
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 08 April 2011, 10:59:39
Unfortunately, it can't be changed.
There are 3 geekhackers who wanted to change their vote.
http://geekhack.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=215 (http://geekhack.org/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=215)
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Post by: Bruce on Fri, 08 April 2011, 13:45:09
No worries about the pole guys. Like Ripster said, they're not offering White now and it looks like we are going to be ordering it all in Black/Black.
Black with Gold was an option but I went on a hunch. I know about 2/3s of you are sighing now so sorry, but I had to take a punt.
So, I am now pretty sure we will be getting all 45s in Black Tenkeyless with a hint of French, German, UK, Swe/Fi and USA layout.
Now what colour WASD............
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Post by: IanM on Fri, 08 April 2011, 14:24:16
Quote from: Bruce;326876
they're not offering White now and it looks like we are going to be  ordering it all in Black/Black.
Black with Gold was an option but I went on a hunch. I know about 2/3s  of you are sighing now so sorry, but I had to take a punt.
Neither of the black options was perfect, but I'm sure black/black will be fine anyway for a large portion of the people who might've preferred gold/black

Quote from: Bruce;326876
Now what colour WASD............
not sure if that's a serious question following the last poll, but of the new colours mentioned in the anniversary sets, the Sky-Blue sounds the nicest. I'd favour:

I wonder if the blue keycaps shown here (http://www.diatec.co.jp/products/det.php?prod_c=588) are the same as the anniversary sky blue?


Keypuller? is the one in the Diatec link a Topre product? it'd be nice to have one bundled, even more so if coloured WASD keys are to be included.


Keystoppers? The Dharma Point Realforce (http://www.dharmapoint.com/products/DRTCKB91) includes Keystoppers to place underneath the Windows keys.  (scroll down near the end of the features list)

I know the concept is a bit low tech, but these things are fantastic for gamers! Bruce, can you order 8-12 keystoppers to bundle with each of the keyboards?  they're useful not only for the Windows keys, but to make obvious clusters of keys in the dark


Silent keys? - I may have mentioned this already :lol: but quiet keyswitches are the way forward. I feel sure it's only a handful of very disturbed and antisocial weirdos that prefer their keyboards to be noisy :wink:


The all 45g Tenkey pad? It's listed amongst the Realforce products, now is the price slightly obscene even relative to price of the keyboards? Would anyone want it as part of a bundle with the tenkeyless board? EDIT: I see the keypad is ½ the price of a keyboard elsewhere, so a hugely expensive luxury for only ⅕ of the keys...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 08 April 2011, 15:43:21
any idea if you'll be selling them in the next 6 months, or year?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Fri, 08 April 2011, 16:21:11
When i sent a mail to Bruce (about swedish tenkeyless topre) he said 6 weeks or so. That was the March 21 so its getting close ^^. Dont know if that was the varied force or 45gr though.
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Post by: arc2 on Fri, 08 April 2011, 22:15:54
Hi Bruce, have you any plans to sell the Topre Realforce 23UB numpad as shown here ?

http://www.diatec.co.jp/shop/det.php?prod_c=613

Courtesy of Reaper in another thread.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=17008
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Post by: ktkr on Sun, 10 April 2011, 05:38:46
I'm definitely in for a black on black all-45g ANSI tenkeyless. I'd love to get a variable silent model but they're pretty much unobtainium at this point.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: applescript on Mon, 11 April 2011, 06:19:46
Hi Bruce any chance you could talk Topre into selling keycaps separately?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Johannes on Mon, 11 April 2011, 09:35:40
Quote from: Bruce;326876

So, I am now pretty sure we will be getting all 45s in Black Tenkeyless with a hint of French, German, UK, Swe/Fi and USA layout..

Will any of them have 2 Windows keys (for closer AltGr)?
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Post by: grilkip on Mon, 11 April 2011, 15:14:36
Hi Bruce, I have roughly 1000 requests for future items, please tell me how I can best deliver them to you.
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Post by: Bruce on Mon, 11 April 2011, 16:21:03
Hi IanM

I enquired today about getting a variety of colours of WASD, they are on offer but I don't know the MOQ.

All this batch will include a Yellow WASD, Puller and some stoppers (I like stoppers, simple and effective).

I know nothing about the silent keys, you're going to have to help me there.

I am getting some 23UB number pads. Subject to stock.

I hope to have this lot within 6-8 weeks but let me confirm a little later when I get an update. Tokyo must be a tough place to do business right now and i'm not going to beat up on them.

I think the layout they use has only the two windows keys, not sure, but i'll check.

And Grilkip - Hi!
What's this? A shopping list? Go on keyboardco.com and mail me from there. I'll do my best with it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: IanM on Mon, 11 April 2011, 16:40:04
Quote from: Bruce;328757
I know nothing about the silent keys, you're going  to have to help me there.
There was a report of the announcement here on Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=301) (also scroll down a few replies for a good graph)

and the thread here on geekhack: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=9056

Topre Japan product page (http://www.topre.co.jp/products/comp/index.html) - the uppermost on the list REALFORCE91UBK-S is one of the silent models, presumably indicated by the -S suffix. Google translated of same page (http://translate.google.com/translate?langpair=auto%7Cen&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.topre.co.jp%2Fproducts%2Fcomp%2Findex.html). Topre press releases are in pdf format (http://www.topre.co.jp/news/index.html) (will have to be translated by copy & paste of the text or some other application)

The silent tenkeyless keyboards are already listed with Asian region distributors such as Leopold (http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/list.php&ca_id=1040), and appear to be a no cost option v. the standard keys.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 16:43:03
Bruce, any chance you could talk Topre into selling spare uniform weighted rubber sheets?
That way would be easy to change the key weighting to uniform.
I think it would sell like crazy!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: IanM on Mon, 11 April 2011, 16:52:42
Quote from: RiGS;328767
spare uniform weighted rubber sheets?
that's an interesting idea, I wonder if Topre would be against it for warranty reasons, but being able to switch the weighting at any time without buying a whole new keyboard is intriguing.
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Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 16:57:21
Also that would prolong the life expectancy of the whole keyboard many times.
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Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 11 April 2011, 17:52:23
Quote from: RiGS;328775
Also that would prolong the life expectancy of the whole keyboard many times.


Its a good idea, I just doubt it'll go through. The mat isn't just one piece, some of the domes are individual squares. So unless they retooled their machines to create one large mat, I'm not sure how much a reality it would be.
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Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 17:59:17
The keycaps are also invidual, so I don't see why this would be a problem. They can put  a whole set in a nice box.
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:08:40
Quote from: RiGS;328802
The keycaps are also invidual, so I don't see why this would be a problem. They can put  a whole set in a nice box.


With this they are encouraging to void the warranty. Don't see this happening in the Realforces.
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Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:36:56
Then why is the case design entirely screw-less?
Also I don't see any warranty sticker.

Swapping a sheet of rubber is pretty straight forward to me, honestly there isn’t anything to screw up.

Also they can market them as replacement, or service parts.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:39:01
KeyboardCo doesn't give you a warranty with your Realforce? I always got one from EK...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:41:25
Anyway they have to send it back to Japan. It would take months...
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:44:54
RiGS I never thought of that since I don't have plans of opening my Realforce 91 UBY. Don't want to make something wrong and break some plastic, anyway  I don't need to do it for any reason.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:45:46
As a service part would make sense, it just oesnt seem like they would advertise it as retail. Even though I like them to
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 11 April 2011, 19:45:58
In Russia you are not real man unless you open up expensive keyboard.
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Post by: RiGS on Mon, 11 April 2011, 20:30:23
In Russia you are not real man unless you fulfill your duty as a soldier.
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Post by: woody on Tue, 12 April 2011, 05:17:15
Quote from: RiGS;328894
In Russia you are not real man unless you fulfill your duty as a soldier.

Israel is full of real women then.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: kevral on Sat, 23 April 2011, 12:23:11
I'm definitely in for a black Tenkeyless 45g in Swe/Fi plus a number pad.

Not that I don't love the brown Filco you guys sent me, Bruce! :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jago on Wed, 27 April 2011, 13:54:45
Quote from: kevral;336216
I'm definitely in for a black Tenkeyless 45g in Swe/Fi plus a number pad.

Not that I don't love the brown Filco you guys sent me, Bruce! :)
Err, for a moment there I thought I already posted in this thread, since this kind of comment is exactly what I came here to post.
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 27 April 2011, 15:53:33
Quote from: kevral;336216
I'm definitely in for a black Tenkeyless 45g in Swe/Fi plus a number pad.


I will have this in stock soon, number pad as well.
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Post by: kevral on Wed, 27 April 2011, 16:14:14
Nice! I'll keep on checking your site and put in a preorder as soon as you put them up.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jago on Tue, 10 May 2011, 01:57:47
Quote from: Bruce;338204
I will have this in stock soon, number pad as well.
How is it going with the 45g SWE/FI Topres? Any estimates on price (with VAT) and when are you putting them up for orderering?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Zet on Wed, 11 May 2011, 23:53:04
I noted that the european full layout versions of the topre keyboards is out now, and they are on sale at kbc site now!! ;D

I wounder why I saw the site down for a bit, and when it got back up, I've checked and found it.

still dreaming with the majestouch2 full uk layout here sniff
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Post by: Jago on Thu, 12 May 2011, 03:34:25
Quote from: Zet;345225
I noted that the european full layout versions of the topre keyboards is out now, and they are on sale at kbc site now!! ;D

I wounder why I saw the site down for a bit, and when it got back up, I've checked and found it.

still dreaming with the majestouch2 full uk layout here sniff

I am not seeing any new Topre models up on the site, the ones I see have been avalable for a long time now.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 12 May 2011, 07:06:02
We are into production and expecting more news soon. It is all happening but I think we have some weeks to go.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 12 May 2011, 07:15:23
Bruce, can you give me some info about the ANSI Realforce? Is it gonna be the 86UB or the 87UB?
Is it going to have the virtual Numpad?

Quote from: Bruce;326876
No worries about the pole guys. Like Ripster said, they're not offering White now and it looks like we are going to be ordering it all in Black/Black.
Black with Gold was an option but I went on a hunch. I know about 2/3s of you are sighing now so sorry, but I had to take a punt.

It turned out to be a smart choice, as the black/black keys have the best texture.
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Post by: RiGS on Thu, 12 May 2011, 07:29:07
Also any chance you could talk Topre into selling the spacebar separately?
That key is the most susceptible to become shiny. I think the demand would be just as high as on the red Escape, or the WASD keys.
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Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 12 May 2011, 07:53:43
Quote from: RiGS;345293
Also any chance you could talk Topre into selling the spacebar separately?
That key is the most susceptible to become shiny. I think the demand would be just as high as on the red Escape, or the WASD keys.

I'm not sure how Realforce is on their warranty, but I know a lot of companies don't do stuff like this because they don't trust their customers with taking apart their product without damaging it.
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Thu, 12 May 2011, 08:04:50
Well maybe if it is not something nearly impossible will we be able to have the new Topre Keycaps Colour kits from the anniversary?
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Post by: RiGS on Thu, 12 May 2011, 08:06:25
You don't need to take apart the keyboard to change a single keycap. Topre already selling sets of keycaps in Japan, Korea and the US.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 12 May 2011, 08:15:43
You shouldn't let a shiny spacebar bother you. I don't.
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Post by: RiGS on Tue, 24 May 2011, 13:50:31
Bruce, any update?
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Post by: Bruce on Tue, 24 May 2011, 14:24:59
Hi Rigs. Sorry I have been quiet.

Just waiting to get the call to say they are ready, then it will be ship time and they are in.
Should be very soon now.
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Post by: Jago on Thu, 26 May 2011, 05:40:48
Quote from: Bruce;350835
Hi Rigs. Sorry I have been quiet.

Just waiting to get the call to say they are ready, then it will be ship time and they are in.
Should be very soon now.
I am confused. Does "they are ready, then it will be ship time" mean they are ready to be shipped from Japan to you (meaning 2-3 weeks more of waiting) or does it mean you already have them, but they aren't yet ready to shipped to customers out from the UK?

Put the damn things on your website for order already so we can give you our money :)
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Tue, 31 May 2011, 11:07:16
Am i the only one checking this thread 3 times a day? ;)
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Post by: Jago on Wed, 01 June 2011, 03:16:45
Quote from: Ghostpixel;353665
Am i the only one checking this thread 3 times a day? ;)
Me too :( (In addition to the KeyboardCo frontpage)
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:27:08
Quote from: Jago;354029
Me too :( (In addition to the KeyboardCo frontpage)

That's sick!

I actually think that I may get one of those incoming Realforce :D
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 01 June 2011, 05:40:37
Quote from: Jago;354029
Me too :( (In addition to the KeyboardCo frontpage)

Yes! Because he might put them up there 30 mins before posting about it here :D
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Post by: Jago on Wed, 08 June 2011, 09:47:38
...

:(
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 08 June 2011, 14:12:40
Sorry guys, still no concrete news. I am expecting the call any day to say they are ready, and I still hope to have them in stock within a few weeks.
I will post here as soon as we get delivery and I am sure they won't all sell out in the first day or two. Much as it would please my accountant.
Thank you all for your patience.
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Post by: Zhuni on Sat, 18 June 2011, 16:35:39
Sweet I'm in for one of these now. go Bruce! :D
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 19 June 2011, 05:32:05
OMFG there will be tenkeyless iso layout topre UNIWEIGHTED? PLEASE tell me you will have a white one too!

**** I think going bankrupt over this is worth it
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Post by: ironman31 on Sun, 19 June 2011, 08:34:44
Its in the thread.

Edit: just realized how long it was. No white, supposed all 45g tenkeyless coming in different layouts
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 19 June 2011, 08:45:10
yea I right the whole thread now too, really sad there won't be a white one, hwoever it may be better to have a black one on the long run. also I think being more visible in the dark doesn't really relate to real geeks! they can type blindfolded.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 19 June 2011, 10:09:36
by the way:
3 Oct 2010 18:50 #49

Quote
   my all 45g ISO tkless won't come true after all!

and how wrong I've been
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Post by: Zhuni on Sun, 19 June 2011, 11:10:01
Quote from: Ghostpixel;353665
Am i the only one checking this thread 3 times a day? ;)

Nope :o
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 19 June 2011, 12:35:50
yea, three..... times
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Post by: Zhuni on Sun, 19 June 2011, 16:06:41
What model you waiting for Blood?
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 19 June 2011, 16:26:46
the tkless ger layout 45g uniweight. i think itll be superior to all the cherry boards seriously. maybe a g80-5000 could top it, but I'm not so sure about that.
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Post by: Zhuni on Mon, 20 June 2011, 02:43:36
Sweet. I want the same but with ANSI :llama:
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 20 June 2011, 05:31:06
I think if I wanted ANSI I would have already gotten a HHKB because I couldn't stand waiting, but I do think the realforce is the better choice. Looks much more sturdy.
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Post by: Zhuni on Mon, 20 June 2011, 06:59:16
Yeah I nearly grabbed one. But I know if I did I'd then want a realforce when that came out in a few weeks........If I get the realforce straight off I cant see I reason why I'd want the HHKB. Specially because its £260 ish to get one in the UK which is silly money for that board.
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Mon, 20 June 2011, 10:49:29
Ive been really close ordering a hhkb too, waiting for this realforce from tkc. Is it really £260 to uk? To Sweden its more like £310 lol :) With shipping, customs, vat and whatnot ;) Cheaper if youre lucky and the customs/post office dont notice ofc.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 20 June 2011, 11:27:20
310 pounds must be so ****ing overpaid, I mean the layout is great for some people and it has good switches but.. its still plastic.

the only question left is ansi or iso? my hands are quite big so i think im going for iso, have no problems with hitting the enter key really
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Mon, 20 June 2011, 15:03:28
I cant hit those american enter keys :P I'm so used to the upper part of the vertical enter. Otherwise i would have bought a tkl realforce a long time ago.
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Post by: Zhuni on Tue, 21 June 2011, 08:10:11
Quote from: Ghostpixel;364021
Ive been really close ordering a hhkb too, waiting for this realforce from tkc. Is it really £260 to uk? To Sweden its more like £310 lol :) With shipping, customs, vat and whatnot ;) Cheaper if youre lucky and the customs/post office dont notice ofc.

SO I've heard and that sounds about right. There's a Japanese vendor on ebay doing them for £200 all in and in my experienced I rarely get taxed on anything coming from Taiwan, Japan or China. But that's usually because the chinese and taiwan vendors I use for stuff like high end tea mark the boxes as $3. Japanese vendors always seem to declare the full whack but I'm yet to get taxed on one of those. Pretty much every package I've had from the US gets the full force of customs though.

I have the cash right now Bruce! As soon as you list (even pre-order) I'm buying :)
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Thu, 23 June 2011, 07:46:51
I always get charged tax when I order things from Japan :/

when will the realforce finally be ready? =(
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Post by: Zhuni on Fri, 24 June 2011, 04:24:06
Any updates?
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Post by: Bruce on Fri, 24 June 2011, 13:53:42
I got a notice today that they are ready to collect mid July. I think we will fly them in and so by the end of July It is guys!
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Post by: Zhuni on Fri, 24 June 2011, 14:22:57
Wow thanks Bruce. That was me emailing you about HHBK boards today BTW :O

Anyway.....that sounds awesome. Perfect timing for me as well. I will be ordering a black tenkeyless 45g USA layout as soon as you list them :dance:
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Post by: Bruce on Fri, 24 June 2011, 14:43:36
Oh Dear.
Zhuni I am sorry. USA all 45 are gong to be later. They haven't made them yet.
This is Tenkeyless all 45 in Black - UK, German, Swe/fin and French.
And some variable switch USA Tenkeyless.
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Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 24 June 2011, 14:53:39
Quote from: Bruce;367182
Oh Dear.
Zhuni I am sorry. USA all 45 are gong to be later. They haven't made them yet.
This is Tenkeyless all 45 in Black - UK, German, Swe/fin and French.
And some variable switch USA Tenkeyless.

Ooo. My wallet thanks you.
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 24 June 2011, 15:59:04
Damn. I want the ANSI for gaming.
I guess I have to wait longer.
Bruce, could you give us an estimate about the price?
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 24 June 2011, 16:39:10
Quote from: RiGS;367248
Damn. I want the ANSI for gaming.
I guess I have to wait longer.
Bruce, could you give us an estimate about the price?

 
Why do you prefer the ANSI for gaming?

I think that I should wait for a possible white ISO tenkeyless in the future. Don't like at all that kind of lettering that Realforce black keycaps have.
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Post by: grilkip on Fri, 24 June 2011, 16:45:32
ANSI layout gets you the girls.
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 24 June 2011, 17:03:45
Quote from: guilleguillaume;367282
Why do you prefer the ANSI for gaming?

I think that I should wait for a possible white ISO tenkeyless in the future. Don't like at all that kind of lettering that Realforce black keycaps have.


The shorter left shift feels somewhat stiffer to the pinky comparing to the longer keys, and I hate the additional key there.
It makes everything a little bit confusing. Hitting that correctly sized shift makes everything plain and simple.
 
I don't care about the lettering as I tend to play blindly.
However I still believe the white keys have a smoother texture, that's why I want the black one this time.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 24 June 2011, 17:10:25
ooooo my birthday is on july 28th, great timing there.
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Post by: Zhuni on Sat, 25 June 2011, 02:26:57
Quote from: guilleguillaume;367282
Why do you prefer the ANSI for gaming?

I think that I should wait for a possible white ISO tenkeyless in the future. Don't like at all that kind of lettering that Realforce black keycaps have.

Yeah its the same for me as Rigs said. If I lay my hand down on WASD my pinky naturally rests on the middle of the ANSI shift. On the ISO lay out this is basically between the keys.
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Post by: Zhuni on Sat, 25 June 2011, 02:34:45
Quote from: Bruce;367182
Oh Dear.
Zhuni I am sorry. USA all 45 are gong to be later. They haven't made them yet.
This is Tenkeyless all 45 in Black - UK, German, Swe/fin and French.
And some variable switch USA Tenkeyless.


Ahh no worries. I'll grab a HHKB while I wait :D

And like Rigs I prefer the ANSI for gaming. My pinky comes to rest bang in the middle of the left shift on ANSI. On iso it wants to rest between the two keys. This is even with being a life long ISO user.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Tue, 28 June 2011, 05:42:03
When will the tkless realforce get added on your website? I'm checking it almost every day right now lol.
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Post by: Bruce on Tue, 28 June 2011, 05:48:16
Blood, Hi.
You won't see much change on our website until 11th July because that is when Andy, my web/tech manager gets back from his hols. He raises all new parts on there, stock in and out is handled automatically though..
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Tue, 28 June 2011, 07:41:37
thanks! gonna mark that day in my calendar
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Post by: Jago on Tue, 05 July 2011, 06:24:07
Quote from: ~Blood~;369371
thanks! gonna mark that day in my calendar
At this rate I might as well make TheKeyboardCompany my browser start page :D
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Sun, 10 July 2011, 08:31:34
Tomorrow's July 11, and now im out of cash... Good timing :P Im sure they sell out in 2 days or something.
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Post by: foliolio on Mon, 11 July 2011, 01:33:16
It's 7:33 AM in the Blighty innit, I'm expecting some hard data on the pricing of these things before lunchtime.
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Post by: agor on Mon, 11 July 2011, 01:52:51
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5


..common!
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Post by: Jago on Mon, 11 July 2011, 03:29:12
Quote from: agor;377976
F5 F5 F5 F5 F5


..common!

I suspect my F5 might be broken by now
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 11 July 2011, 06:19:21
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/425/944/58f/resized/y-u-no-meme-generator-topre-45g-iso-tkless-y-u-no-in-stock-cd0305.jpg)
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Post by: Jago on Mon, 11 July 2011, 06:35:34
Quote from: ~Blood~;378051
Show Image
(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/425/944/58f/resized/y-u-no-meme-generator-topre-45g-iso-tkless-y-u-no-in-stock-cd0305.jpg)

 
What if all this is a cunning plan to convince me that the F5 key on my work keyboard isnt actually working and that I need a new keyboard for work as well?
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 11 July 2011, 06:45:07
which will convince your boss to buy topre realforce keyboards for your whole division.. OMG THE MADNESS CAN'T BE STOPPED
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Post by: Jago on Mon, 11 July 2011, 06:52:22
Quote from: ~Blood~;378056
which will convince your boss to buy topre realforce keyboards for your whole division.. OMG THE MADNESS CAN'T BE STOPPED

 
I wonder how many heads would roll if someone was to decide upon equipping 2000+ of our workstations with Topre keyboards :nono:
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 11 July 2011, 07:15:27
Let's be patient.

I hope that if today some Realforce are shown here they will last until Tomorrow...I couldn't get in time to put the money in the bank for my paypal account!
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Post by: Jago on Mon, 11 July 2011, 20:40:09
:(
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Post by: foliolio on Tue, 12 July 2011, 00:18:02
It's my lunchtime now, after which I will commence furiously tapping F5 for the remainder of they day. This has been a public service announcement.
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Post by: agor on Tue, 12 July 2011, 00:35:00
Quote from: Jago;378500
:(

It just HAS to be today then.
I hope.


Else...


..F5F5F5F5
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Post by: foliolio on Tue, 12 July 2011, 22:07:15
KEEPIN' THE SPIRIT ALIVE! :rockon:

I mean it could be today, couldn't it. :pray2:
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 13 July 2011, 12:25:49
Bruce wrote this in the HHKB PRO 2 Thread talking about the Realforce:

Quote
I paid for them last week so I'm as anxious to see them as anyone.
Hoping a couple of weeks still.
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Post by: Bruce on Fri, 15 July 2011, 15:31:05
Our carrier collected them today and told me 2 weeks until they are with us.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 15 July 2011, 15:44:21
great, when will they be added onto your website?
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Post by: Bruce on Fri, 15 July 2011, 16:01:28
I'll try and get that done early next week. Give everyone a chance to order early for quickest delivery. I'll email our webby now.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sat, 16 July 2011, 06:05:07
any idea what theyll cost?
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Post by: Jago on Sun, 17 July 2011, 00:38:28
Quote from: ~Blood~;381341
any idea what theyll cost?


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Post by: ~Blood~ on Sun, 17 July 2011, 02:58:46
I heard dollars won't be worth anything anymore soon so I'll gladly pay that amount.
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Post by: Zhuni on Sun, 17 July 2011, 08:30:11
Quote from: ~Blood~;381341
any idea what theyll cost?


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wyuSKo_sdaw/S6vYsr7gu2I/AAAAAAAAAQA/bPLlvIBpKBs/s1600/dr_evil_one_million_dollars.jpg)
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Post by: richie on Sun, 17 July 2011, 08:49:15
Are you guys planning on getting the silent versions in too?
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Post by: agor on Mon, 18 July 2011, 07:50:39
Cannot believe I did this, but I pulled the trigger!
"Your payment has been successful."

Maybe I am the first that ordered the German one?

Greets,
Benjamin


e: I hope it is based on 87U and has Numpad, Window Lights, Lavender WASD and Key Puller included?
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 18 July 2011, 07:57:10
Omg i just ordered it

they are up order now or they are gone
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Post by: RiGS on Mon, 18 July 2011, 08:12:24
OMG. The price is great!
It is so hard to resist them, but I have to wait longer for the ANSI layout.
I hope the ANSI version would cost the same.

Bruce, is it going to be the 87key version, or the 86key?
Any ETA on those?
I hope you will order the 87key version, so I can use my blue Topre Special Edition (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18598-Lets-order-some-Topre-cool-keycaps) keycap set without the spacebar being an issue.
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Post by: Jago on Mon, 18 July 2011, 08:19:15
Placed an order for two FI/SWE ones, my bank account is crying blood.
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Post by: agor on Mon, 18 July 2011, 08:43:22
Quote from: Jago;382530
Placed an order for two FI/SWE ones, my bank account is crying blood.

I feel with you.
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Mon, 18 July 2011, 10:35:05
I'm actually sure I will be doing very bad things to my Bank Account....

I would like to know what RiGS is asking too.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 18 July 2011, 10:43:08
wondering if I should buy a wrist rest from EK

my bank account isnt that fine lol
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Post by: British on Wed, 20 July 2011, 04:29:46
Quote from: richie;381948
Are you guys planning on getting the silent versions in too?
That's a very good question.
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 20 July 2011, 10:16:37
Really hope they'll have some swe ones left when i get money :o
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 20 July 2011, 13:06:54
They are only 88 key atm. Maybe ansi would come later, but not sure.
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Post by: agor on Thu, 21 July 2011, 07:10:42
According to your updated website the boards will arrive at your place next Thursday.
I really hope that they will arrive in Germany by Monday or Tuesday :)
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Post by: RiGS on Thu, 21 July 2011, 20:17:57
Quote from: guilleguillaume;382608
I'm actually sure I will be doing very bad things to my Bank Account....

I would like to know what RiGS is asking too.


I have created a new poll (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20156-Realforce-OLD-vs-NEW) on the subject.

@Bruce, please let us know what you think.
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Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 21 July 2011, 20:25:17
If these keyboards were white I'd definitely sell my 91uby to get an ANSI.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 22 July 2011, 07:11:24
black case with white keys and red esc looks pretty neat too IMO
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 22 July 2011, 08:13:12
Quote from: ironman31;385056
If these keyboards were white I'd definitely sell my 91uby to get an ANSI.


I'd definetely have both.

My Realforce 91UBY is going to live with me forever!
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Fri, 22 July 2011, 09:55:14
Quote from: ~Blood~;385220
black case with white keys and red esc looks pretty neat too IMO

Anyone on geekhack have the combo with black case and white keys? Would be nice to see how it would look.
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Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:03:08
Quote from: guilleguillaume;385231
I'd definetely have both.

My Realforce 91UBY is going to live with me forever!


ill sell my 103 ub instead ;) gotta stay in the club
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:15:32
Quote from: Ghostpixel;385268
Anyone on geekhack have the combo with black case and white keys? Would be nice to see how it would look.

Sure, \KL have those.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21036&d=1310829932)
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Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:17:38
Ooh nice pic :D
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Post by: RiGS on Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:19:28
Indeed. Btw my SKY BLUE keys have arrived.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:26:15
Pics or gtfo!
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 22 July 2011, 16:50:42
yea see, it might look better than a pure white one
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Post by: agor on Sun, 24 July 2011, 08:23:26
Why can't time pass even faster sometimes...


Bruce, do you think you will be able them the same day it will get delivered to you? The 28th as of now?
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Post by: Sefira on Sun, 24 July 2011, 18:30:23
Any chance of seeing swedish tenkeyless but with 55g switches anytime soon?
I really want to try a topre board but I worry a bit that 45g will be to light for gaming (mainly fps). - any opinions on that from people who have one?

I guess I can wait a while if that's what it takes, spilled orange juice on my das but it's still possible to type on at least. (The first thing I thought after getting over having ruined my keyboard was that it's quite a good excuse to try out another mechanical keyboard... MWUhahah.. :becky:
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Post by: Ghostpixel on Sun, 24 July 2011, 18:54:08
Quote from: Sefira;386399
Any chance of seeing swedish tenkeyless but with 55g switches anytime soon?
I really want to try a topre board but I worry a bit that 45g will be to light for gaming (mainly fps). - any opinions on that from people who have one?

I guess I can wait a while if that's what it takes, spilled orange juice on my das but it's still possible to type on at least. (The first thing I thought after getting over having ruined my keyboard was that it's quite a good excuse to try out another mechanical keyboard... MWUhahah.. :becky:

Its very rare to find a tenkeyless swedish topre of any kind, so my guess is that will either never happen, or take forever. Most people seem to think 55gr topres are somewhat on the heavy side to, so 45gr should be allround and nice.
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Post by: Jago on Sun, 24 July 2011, 23:54:41
Quote from: Sefira;386399
Any chance of seeing swedish tenkeyless but with 55g switches anytime soon?
I really want to try a topre board but I worry a bit that 45g will be to light for gaming (mainly fps). - any opinions on that from people who have one?

I guess I can wait a while if that's what it takes, spilled orange juice on my das but it's still possible to type on at least. (The first thing I thought after getting over having ruined my keyboard was that it's quite a good excuse to try out another mechanical keyboard... MWUhahah.. :becky:

I tried a variable-weight Topre at a store and found both the 45g and the 55g (ESC) keys to be just fine, with the 35g keys being too light. I ordered the all-45g FI/SWE Topres with the intention of heavy gaming as well.
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Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 25 July 2011, 03:16:44
me too. I think 45g will be fine, especially seeing how topre engineers designed it to be the weight for every finger except the pinky. They know what theyre talking about.
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Post by: Jago on Tue, 26 July 2011, 08:16:55
OMG! The website is showing them as already being in stock!
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Post by: RiGS on Tue, 26 July 2011, 08:57:19
Do these models have full NKRO?
I thought that Topre has only 6KRO + certain modifiers.
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Post by: agor on Tue, 26 July 2011, 09:34:03
OMG OMG OMG.

I'd like to see a picture of one of them :)
Either way, when I receive it, I'll post pictures for the rest of you ;)
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Post by: Jago on Wed, 27 July 2011, 06:13:02
Yay, mine have been shipped! Waiting for delivery now :)
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Post by: agor on Wed, 27 July 2011, 06:18:06
Quote from: Jago;388021
Yay, mine have been shipped! Waiting for delivery now :)

Where do you live? Be sure to post pics if you receive it!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jago on Wed, 27 July 2011, 06:40:43
Quote from: agor;388024
Where do you live? Be sure to post pics if you receive it!
I live in Finland. I don't really have a decent camera worthy of taking such pics though.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Sefira on Wed, 27 July 2011, 21:56:31
Quote from: agor;388024
Where do you live? Be sure to post pics if you receive it!


You sometimes don't? Not so sure if I want to order one if it's that much of a gamble...

:)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Thu, 28 July 2011, 04:25:41
The photo on the website is showing ANSI USA keyboard layout.
Any luck with showing us what the British Layout will look like? As I prefer ISO layout keyboards.
I wish they came with white key-caps as this would have been ideal, any idea if you'll be stocking them, or even other colours(orange)?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grilkip on Thu, 28 July 2011, 06:24:02
With all this Topre revolution going on, let me whisper into everyone's ears the following: "104 UW 45g".

Let's make it happen.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 28 July 2011, 07:28:30
Quote from: Eclairz;388639
The photo on the website is showing ANSI USA keyboard layout.
Any luck with showing us what the British Layout will look like? As I prefer ISO layout keyboards.
I wish they came with white key-caps as this would have been ideal, any idea if you'll be stocking them, or even other colours(orange)?

That is not the actual photo of the product.
The British Layout has the standard ISO layout.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jago on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:05:49
AFAIK, the FI/SWE Topre should look like this:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22585[/ATTACH]
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:19:43
I still hope ours is based on the 87u with windowed keys and virtual numpad.
Should be delivered tomorrow!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:23:30
Quote
The subtle black on black keycaps with their tactile feel and N Key Rollover ensure fast and accurate input.

Sure. Also please test it for full N-key rollover.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Thu, 28 July 2011, 08:48:18
Decided to order, I'll just have to source some white keycaps at a later date.

Been waiting forever, since i missed the 91UBY for a more ISO layout keyboard.

I just hope I'll actually like Topre switches as this'll be my first time with them, as I've been using Cherry switch keyboards (have used alps also).
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Fri, 29 July 2011, 07:43:00
Has not arrived today :(
And I'm probably not at home tomorrow...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: flaca on Fri, 29 July 2011, 08:16:25
Mine arrived last night, just started using it properly today. First go with a Realforce and this is definitely more my kind of key action. Very smooth and light with a lovely rebound, and it's not even broken in yet. I didn't get on with my Majestouch TKL with Blues, though I did like the sound and there's no doubt that it is an excellent board (look out for it in the classifieds shortly, 1 month old and exc cond). This Realforce doesn't have the windowed lit Caps Lock etc. keys, nor the numpad on the ERTDFG or whatever keys that some seem to. Still, great job Bruce and the gang for an ISO layout version.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 29 July 2011, 08:22:11
Congrats! Thanks for the feedback.
Can you test (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=NKey+Rollover+-+Overview+Testing+Methodology+and+Results) is for Full N-key rollover as well?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dj christian on Fri, 29 July 2011, 08:41:13
Quote from: flaca;389324
Mine arrived last night, just started using it properly today. First go with a Realforce and this is definitely more my kind of key action. Very smooth and light with a lovely rebound, and it's not even broken in yet. I didn't get on with my Majestouch TKL with Blues, though I did like the sound and there's no doubt that it is an excellent board (look out for it in the classifieds shortly, 1 month old and exc cond). This Realforce doesn't have the windowed lit Caps Lock etc. keys, nor the numpad on the ERTDFG or whatever keys that some seem to. Still, great job Bruce and the gang for an ISO layout version.


Which one do you prefer of them?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: flaca on Fri, 29 July 2011, 10:04:49
Hi RiGS, I just did the XEM and Microsoft web-based tests. Both reported 6 keys (6KRO?). I'm connected by USB.

dj christian, I prefer the Topre, something to do with the light feel and I the subtle but noticeable rebound. The key profiles on the Topre seem to suit my hands better too. I was always bumping my fingers into the edges of the keys on the Majestouch, satisfying as it was to type on it.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 29 July 2011, 10:14:43
Thanks, just as I suspected.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 29 July 2011, 11:50:33
yea thanks for the iso version, i touch type but not with my pinkies so its always welcome.

i hope mine will arive tomorrow, i already purposely broke my g80-3000
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Fri, 29 July 2011, 12:11:26
Whyyyyyyyyyy no 87 :(
But I still want it bad!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Sat, 30 July 2011, 04:56:53
wow royal mail sucks hard
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Sat, 30 July 2011, 12:30:47
Arrived today!
Thank you for the Yellow WASD Kit... was hoping for Red ESC, too, but it can't be helped I guess :) Although yellow ESC would be neat, too.

VERY nice keyboard, check Topre Picture Thread or my 'Received today in Mall'-Thread for pics.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Sat, 30 July 2011, 13:57:06
Here's the photos of the UK Version of the 88 Keyboard. I don't own a lightbox so couldn't make it real professional. But its clear enough

[ATTACH=CONFIG]22785[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22794[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22793[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22792[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22790[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22789[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22788[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22787[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]22786[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]22795[/ATTACH]

It's a little darker than the shots but it feels quite good to type on much better than my regular Cherry G80-3000 with Blue Cherry. Very cool dark key caps i still preferred if we could get white keycaps as I am starting to think black is getting real boring.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Sun, 31 July 2011, 01:52:50
6 Key Rollover like most USB Mechanical keyboard with nearly any set of 6 keys.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Mon, 01 August 2011, 12:00:31
just received it, horrible shipping. next time I'm gonna take TNT.

realforce boards are really nice, feel very solid (worth the money) however if you don't like rubberdomes, I wouldn't go for it.

It's really awesome though
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jago on Mon, 01 August 2011, 16:55:33
Got my delivery of 2 yesterday (Monday, 1.8). Feel totally amazing :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: zappb on Thu, 04 August 2011, 06:45:24
What's the difference between the 88uK and 87U ? Does the 88 UK have a keypad built in like the 87?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 04 August 2011, 06:51:03
Check this poll (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20156-Realforce-OLD-vs-NEW).

The 87U has ANSI layout and variable, or uniform 55g weighted keys.
The 88UK has uniform 45g weighted  keys, and doesn't have leds, and built in keypad.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: zappb on Thu, 04 August 2011, 06:58:10
ok so the 88uk is more like the 86U - that's why the 87u is so popular!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 04 August 2011, 07:09:57
It is clearly better than the 86U, as it has uniform 45g weighted keys and it has a bonus yellow WASD set.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 04 August 2011, 10:16:01
And the French ones have yellow ZQFD sets!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Thaxll'ssillyia on Thu, 04 August 2011, 10:19:35
So it has really no LEDs at all?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Thu, 04 August 2011, 15:42:20
No it has not.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Thu, 04 August 2011, 16:51:50
still absolutely worth it if you come from germany and need ISO, the LEDs dont really bother me at all, when I type in something wrong because of caps lock I usually realize it without even looking at the keyboard.

also 55g would be rather heavy i think, although the cherry blues are supposed to be heavier than 45g realforce, the realforce still feel heavier overall.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ironman31 on Thu, 04 August 2011, 22:14:07
Does it come with a Caps lock size Control key?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Fri, 05 August 2011, 01:55:57
The control key is slightly narrower than the caps lock key
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Daeve on Fri, 05 August 2011, 17:46:31
Found this site last week - I took delivery of my Realforce 88UB today.  So far it's seems great - by far the best keyboard I've used.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Sat, 06 August 2011, 11:40:52
Quote from: ironman31;393319
Does it come with a Caps lock size Control key?

No it does not come with interchangable Caps lock and Control Keys
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 07 August 2011, 19:44:07
You do not even get those with the coloured topre keys. However those are included with the 86U.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Mon, 08 August 2011, 10:30:38
Finally put my order in for the 88SW :D Gonna be exciting for sure! But whats up with that price conversion between sweden and uk? it was 207gbp with shipping, and the gbp costs 9,42 sek today. It should cost 1950sek, but ended up at 2237sek.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: RiGS on Mon, 08 August 2011, 11:54:11
PayPal.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:07:00
did you forget VAT (value added tax) in your calculation maybe?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Tue, 09 August 2011, 01:27:42
No i counted VAT :) And i was gonna use paypal first, but went back to keyboard company's site when i saw price, and did credit card instead. But ended up with same amount anyway. Doesnt matter that much, just weird :P
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Tue, 09 August 2011, 08:00:42
The Keyboard Co probably sell more to companies with VAT No, so that's why they leave VAT off since those companies don't need to pay (common practice for companies selling to other companies in the UK, in the USA though the tax is left off everything and added afterwards and it seems you don't get taxed for goods bought over the net).

But normal people who aren't buying for a company or on behalf of a company still have to pay VAT. I'm sure if more normal/enthusiast people start buying keyboards they'll include VAT by default.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 09 August 2011, 14:27:20
On our homepage there is a tick box so you can chose Inc VAT or Ex VAT.
We find trade buyers like it without and retail like it with. There are no hidden costs so it can only be Goods, Carriage, or VAT.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:11:10
I know about the VAT box :) Thats not what im confused about. Its the conversion between uk pounds to swedish sek. Im pretty sure when i check the value of pounds yesterday it was like 9,42 swedish kronor (sek) for each pound. But when i check now, its 10,57. So clearly i must have done a mistake when checking yesterday, or maybe the sek is going down fast ;D It accounts for the missing value anyway.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 10 August 2011, 16:45:27
You couldn't have accidentally picked one of the more expensive carriage options? That would show on the paperwork, but £207 is correct otherwise. That includes the VAT.
Currencies are bouncing around a bit but our European ones are mostly dropping together. It is possible that there is a fee from Paypal or your credit card company.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 10 August 2011, 18:40:28
Quote from: Bruce;396632
You couldn't have accidentally picked one of the more expensive carriage options? That would show on the paperwork, but £207 is correct otherwise. That includes the VAT.
Currencies are bouncing around a bit but our European ones are mostly dropping together. It is possible that there is a fee from Paypal or your credit card company.

207 is correct. I was going to choose tnt, but after seeing the conversion price i went with the trusty royal mail on this one this time ;) No this has to be somewthing i mis clicked when checking pounds vs sek (swedish kronors). I usually check conversion rates on google and just type in gbp sek in search and the rate pops up, and i did it kind of fast, knowing that the sek was kind of strong against the pounds earlier this year, so i didnt pay it any mind at the time :) It was super cheap to buy from england then, but not so anymore i guess. It doesnt matter really, cause i have wanted this board for so long now, and i'll pay just about anything to get my hands on it lol ;D
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ~Blood~ on Wed, 10 August 2011, 18:41:26
I wouldn't chose royal mail, ****ing thing drove me crazy.

Especially their tracking sucks so much its unbelievable for such a larg ecompany to carry that kind of website.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 10 August 2011, 18:49:46
I dont mind waiting a few extra days now that i have waited for it that long anyway, as long as it gets here :) Best case scenario this friday, but im counting on next week. They said on their tracking site that it "has been received at our international mail centre and is being made ready for despatch overseas. "

Ok, enough posting off topic from me in this thread ^^.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Eclairz on Fri, 12 August 2011, 05:10:37
Paypal usually give the bad conversion rate unfortunately, so you actually have to include how much commission/rate that Paypal charge.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: CeeSA on Tue, 25 October 2011, 10:00:02
i would be happy if you would offer this model:
Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 45g White

i'm fine with ANSI
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jim66 on Tue, 08 November 2011, 12:51:28
Quote from: CeeSA;438855
i would be happy if you would offer this model:
Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 45g White

i'm fine with ANSI

+1 (only variable weighted). I have been wanting to buy an Realforce 87U Tenkeyless variable weighted white (ANSI) for a while now. Is there any chance of you stocking them?

If you were to stock them I would purchase one right away.

Thanks,

Jim.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: insilica on Tue, 08 November 2011, 15:25:36
Quote from: Jim66;448058
+1 (only variable weighted). I have been wanting to buy an Realforce 87U Tenkeyless variable weighted white (ANSI) for a while now. Is there any chance of you stocking them?

If you were to stock them I would purchase one right away.

Thanks,

Jim.

Another taker for RF ANSI - would also like an 87U, perhaps 55g, 45g or variable :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jim66 on Thu, 10 November 2011, 05:12:59
Are there any plans to stock the 87U (preferably in variable flavour) Bruce?
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Post by: wupi on Thu, 10 November 2011, 08:35:05
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Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dj christian on Thu, 10 November 2011, 21:55:38
Anyone knows where i can get hold of Topre keyboards in Scandinavia?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 11 November 2011, 06:21:34
Hi dj - Your best option for Scandinavia is probably http://www.keyboardco.com

Jim66, I'm not getting any new Topre models this year I doubt.
I would like to get some 87u nest year though.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Jim66 on Fri, 11 November 2011, 15:05:45
Quote from: Bruce;449866
Hi dj - Your best option for Scandinavia is probably http://www.keyboardco.com

Jim66, I'm not getting any new Topre models this year I doubt.
I would like to get some 87u nest year though.

Ok no worries, thanks for replying.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: amasokin on Sat, 03 December 2011, 22:30:39
Hi,

Just a quick question : are the ISO Realforce 88 45g (UK/FR/etc...) you sell the equivalent of the ANSI 86U, or 87U ? I.e., apart from the two windows key, do they have the little perks of the 87U ANSI version : the embedded numpad and the LEDs in caps lock/numpad keys ?

If not, do ISO versions with embedded numpad and LEDs at least exist ? If they do, when do you think you'll be able to have some in stock ? I'm really interested by a FR Tenkeyless Realforce, but I absolutely want one with embedded numpad and LEDs.

Second and last question : why does your fullsize ISO Realforce have gold on black keycaps instead of the standard black on black ? Not really important since I want a TKL version, but just out of curiosity.

Thanks in advance, and congrats for your great job providing Europe with those fantastic keyboards. (I live in France and you're the ONLY EU shop where I can buy Filco/RealForce keyboards).
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: insilica on Thu, 15 December 2011, 07:03:31
Quote from: Bruce;449866
Hi dj - Your best option for Scandinavia is probably http://www.keyboardco.com

Jim66, I'm not getting any new Topre models this year I doubt.
I would like to get some 87u nest year though.

January would be fab!!!!

Your killing us (me) Bruce
I mean I would order from EK but I don't want to be stung by custom charges ...

Apart from loosing weight in the new year my new year resolution is to try Topre!

Definitely have my heart set on a black RF 45g ANSI (87U?) all rounder. [Money set aside for it]
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: ktkr on Fri, 16 December 2011, 13:22:24
Bruce, do you have any interest/intention to offer the silent Realforces next year? I would totally purchase a silent 87U in black. :love:
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Fri, 13 January 2012, 02:55:21
Quote from: Bruce;449866
Hi dj - Your best option for Scandinavia is probably http://www.keyboardco.com

Jim66, I'm not getting any new Topre models this year I doubt.
I would like to get some 87u nest year though.

Any plans to get new Topre models in this year? I would love to get full size keyboard in Swe/Fin layout without variable weight keys, maybe 45g or 55g keyforce?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: trax on Mon, 23 January 2012, 13:29:06
Quote from: Naku;489353
Any plans to get new Topre models in this year? I would love to get full size keyboard in Swe/Fin layout without variable weight keys, maybe 45g or 55g keyforce?

Pretty please?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:28:49
Hi Amasokin
Sorry to leave you hanging so long. Truth is, we usually go with 87 for USA and 88 for European and so this gets me confused too. But they take off the windows menu key and it becomes something else.
Topre are very good because they can make a great number of variations and to relatively small MOQ - so there are so many possibilities. Ours don't have the embedded number pad (That was me, I don't really like them) or the LEDS, that was never thought about. And I doubt any were ever made.
We were shown the gold on black and liked it. It fitted also with wanting to get Topre into the more general office use arena, where sub printing is not well received. Thanks, and greetings to France.

ktkr
No, i'm not thinking silent this year. Topre only whisper anyway and I still have some gaps to fill in the whisper range.

Naku
I'm not likely to have any new ISO models in the first half of 2012.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: fossala on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:30:53
What about HHKB?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:35:09
Can't do a thing with HHKB. It's not CE approved so I break EU law if I sell one.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: fossala on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:37:11
Wow, why is that (not CE approved).
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:50:17
I'm as mystified as anyone.
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 25 January 2012, 15:11:05
Just to clarify, they never submitted the product for approval to my knowledge.
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Post by: trax on Wed, 25 January 2012, 16:32:19
CE, thats those stickers u used to see on cheap chinese toys right?
Like CE but the E would be a € with only one -

Now I see why EK gives no warranty to us.

Still, Id want to buy an ansi 55g...
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Thu, 26 January 2012, 03:25:31
Quote from: Bruce;498805
Hi Amasokin
Sorry to leave you hanging so long. Truth is, we usually go with 87 for USA and 88 for European and so this gets me confused too. But they take off the windows menu key and it becomes something else.
Topre are very good because they can make a great number of variations and to relatively small MOQ - so there are so many possibilities. Ours don't have the embedded number pad (That was me, I don't really like them) or the LEDS, that was never thought about. And I doubt any were ever made.
We were shown the gold on black and liked it. It fitted also with wanting to get Topre into the more general office use arena, where sub printing is not well received. Thanks, and greetings to France.

ktkr
No, i'm not thinking silent this year. Topre only whisper anyway and I still have some gaps to fill in the whisper range.

Naku
I'm not likely to have any new ISO models in the first half of 2012.
I hate variable weighted keyboards and I also like to play roguelikes and Arma games, so "tenkeyless" type keyboards are no option for me :(
Maybe on second half then...

Btw... How those keypads work with games? Does those work just like standard keyboards keypad or is there some drivers ect. software needed?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:36:30
Hi Naku
The keypad should operate just the same as if it were still attached to a keyboard. There is some added function but the basic function is still the same.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:11:49
Any keypad suggestions for Topre tenkeyless? Your Topre keypads seems to be sold out :(
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:15:25
Ah, I need to restock them. Will be a month or two, but I can't recomend anything else. Unless you fancy the Filco. In truth I think only a Topre can realistically sit next to a Topre.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: fossala on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:20:32
Is it possible for you to get some topre keycaps in stock?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:30:17
I'm looking at WASD sets Yes, but I think it will only be one colour at first. What were you after?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: fossala on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:32:51
I want esc keys, if possible fn and control keys as well.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:36:54
OK. I'm asking.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: fossala on Fri, 27 January 2012, 09:40:44
Thanks.
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Post by: krzaq on Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:15:53
Hi Bruce,

I'd like to buy Realforce all 45g US ANSI layout.
Will you stock any 45g model with US ANSI layout in the near future?

Thanks,
krzaq
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: CeeSA on Wed, 29 February 2012, 02:08:24
+1
that is a good question!
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 29 February 2012, 11:46:16
Yes, we have some USA on the way, on a slow boat.
I need to check exactly what is on there.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: phillyosophy on Thu, 01 March 2012, 07:45:39
Thanks for the info Bruce. It would be great if you could check for the dates/month that its arriving :)
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Thu, 01 March 2012, 10:07:31
The All 45g model we have coming is the SE05D0
That's a Realforce 86 in Black.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: krzaq on Thu, 01 March 2012, 13:24:25
Great!

When are you expecting to have the shipment available at the store (days/ weeks/ months)?
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 02 March 2012, 09:57:49
It will be 6 weeks on the ocean, add one for loading and unloading so i''d say end of April or 1st week of May.
All being well.
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: krzaq on Fri, 02 March 2012, 10:22:11
thanks for checking
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 06 March 2012, 10:41:37
Titanic, going too fast, bound to hit something!!
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Post by: Bruce on Wed, 07 March 2012, 08:18:28
She doesn't float my boat....
Title: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Kaskas on Wed, 25 April 2012, 19:12:56
Hello Bruce,

Can you give us an update on the shipment, has it arrived and what's coming? Also, when will they be available for order?

Looking forward to ordering a US Topre. :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Sun, 05 August 2012, 15:46:31
Quote from: Bruce on Wed, 25 January 2012, 13:28:49
...
Naku
I'm not likely to have any new ISO models in the first half of 2012.
Any news of second half of 2012 Topre models? Still looking non variable weighted fullsize ISO keyboard.
And btw u never restock the Topre numberpads  ::)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dj christian on Sun, 12 August 2012, 01:21:48
Where can i buy Topre keyboards cheapest from Sweden?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bpiphany on Sun, 12 August 2012, 02:05:57
Quote from: dj christian on Sun, 12 August 2012, 01:21:48
Where can i buy Topre keyboards cheapest from Sweden?

I'm not sure if it is the cheapest way, but both http://www.keyboardco.com and http://www.verkkokauppa.com/ are in Europe and reasonable. The Finnish site is a bit hard to navigate, but google translate helps.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 14 August 2012, 22:19:47
Why do the Topre USA boards cost 20 pounds more than the European layout boards?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 15 August 2012, 10:07:32
Hi Guys

Sorry I've not been here much. I'm trying to get back into the GH habit after the hiatus.
Congrats to iMav on the new look.

therecorder
We base our prices on what our cost is so discrepencies occur for a variety of reasons. Exchange rate and Topre price policy being the main ones.
I think we were charged more on those ANSI ones because we didn't take so many of them.

Bruce
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: IKSLM on Thu, 16 August 2012, 06:43:26
I did not read the enire thread so maybe this has already been answered:

Is there any chance of getting some WHITE Topre with 105 keys (german, italian, swedish...) over the http://www.keyboardco.com/? Currently there are only black 105 key keyboards available...
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Fri, 17 August 2012, 06:29:02
Bruce:

The entire Realforce/HHKb selling/purchasing thing seems quite chaotic.  As you know, I'm in Israel.  I have done a decent amount of business with you, but I purchased my first Realforce from Elite. (Brian had what I wanted, and you didn't.)  Now, I thought because of a shipping disagreement we had, he won't sell me a second Realforce.  He won't even answer my emails.  But, I've now noticed that he is beginning to sell via Amazon (USA), and you have ceased doing so.  I'm thinking that perhaps my problem has to do with with regional rights.  Can you comment on this?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Mon, 20 August 2012, 07:23:14
Hi IKSLM
I don't think we will have any White German Layout models this year. Generally Black seems to sell better and we have to hit MOQs so it limits the variety we can stock.

therecorder.
I agree, Topre sales around the world are not the most coordinated.
We have never sold Topre on Amazon USA, Elite handle USA sales, as you say. It makes sense that they have started using Amazon.
What was the issue with Elite? Brian is usually very good. We had a customer in Israel who refused to pay the import duty and that caused us a lot of trouble, it wasn't anything like that was it?

Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 20 August 2012, 07:40:13
Bruce,

This is from a thread of mine (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34542.msg638717#msg638717)

"Guess I'll have to wait a couple of months until The Keyboard Company restocks.  Want an all 45g board.  Bought a 55g board, about ten days ago, from ELite, and I would gladly buy another board from them.  However, I gave Brian a real hard time about shipping, and it seems that he no longer wants to do business with me.  He won't even answer my emails.  The fault is mostly mine, and I would reccommend his store and services to anyone who wants what he has to offer."

Brian and I both made some mistakes, and Brian actually refunded my shipping charges (even though I never asked for a refund).  Just wish that he would tell me the reason why he won't accept another order from me.  Guess he doesn't want to chance losing any more money on a sale to Israel.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Mon, 20 August 2012, 08:28:56
I can't remember the exact details but the problem we had was to do with high tax and duty charges as well. These often present a problem, not just Israel, but it is difficult because the customer cannot always be expected to know what the charges will be until he has already made his purchase. The carrier will add some charge for their trouble as well - adding to the problem.
In general, customs have a priority of collecting money on imports and don't always care about the business involved or the customer experience. And they don't seem to follow the 'keep it simple' rule either. I have sympathy for you and Brian on this, i'm sure you both did your best.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dirge on Mon, 20 August 2012, 09:36:55
Quote from: Bruce on Mon, 20 August 2012, 07:23:14
Hi IKSLM
I don't think we will have any White German Layout models this year. Generally Black seems to sell better and we have to hit MOQs so it limits the variety we can stock.

Bruce if your reading I'd love a UK layout TKL 45g Topre in white, if you refresh your stock please consider getting white, the legends look much better.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 20 August 2012, 10:26:38
Are the black and beige keyboards at The Keyboard Co. the same color as the black and white keyboards at Elite, or are they slightly different colors?

Edit:

Guess they are different, or at least the Model Numbers are different -

Elite Keyboards - Realforce 87U Tenkeyless (White/Gray) - Model Number - SE0700
The Keyboard Company - USA Topre Realforce 87UW Variable Mini Black on Beige Keyboard - Model Number - SE07T0
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 21 August 2012, 09:24:09
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 20 August 2012, 10:26:38
Are the black and beige keyboards at The Keyboard Co. the same color as the black and white keyboards at Elite, or are they slightly different colors?

Edit:

Guess they are different, or at least the Model Numbers are different -

Elite Keyboards - Realforce 87U Tenkeyless (White/Gray) - Model Number - SE0700
The Keyboard Company - USA Topre Realforce 87UW Variable Mini Black on Beige Keyboard - Model Number - SE07T0

Bruce,

Would appreciate your input/verification on this.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Fri, 24 August 2012, 15:57:46
You know, I'm not certain about this.
There are two pale colours that Topre use but the T0 is not an indicator because some of our Blacks also end T0.
I do have a suspicion that the photography is looking much paler on the Elite site.
I will check this out and let you know.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Sun, 26 August 2012, 13:21:34
Bruce,
would you like to answer to my question about future availability of Topre non variable 105 ISO fin/swe keyboard? Or Topre keypads?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Sun, 26 August 2012, 17:13:07
Hi Naku

Sorry for the slow reply.
We're working on an order right now but not quite sure what Swe/Fin we're going for.
Should be able to confirm later in the week.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: IanM on Mon, 27 August 2012, 14:18:28
I still feel the same about Topre as I did when the UK ISO tenkeyless were first mooted - these keyboards are v. expensive and I'd be more interested in getting one as a quality silent keyboard. So mostly interested in a uniform 45g (or possibly even uniform 35g) with the silent option.

As for colour, black is probably still preferable to anything else, but an all white (not the white/grey) would second choice. Beige, no thanks - I'm sure it appeals to a few people looking for 'retro chic' but I'd rather have something contemporary on my desk.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ian S on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:33:39
Can you not get just a key set in white to go on the black boards you already have in stock?

Black (QPAD MX-Red) board with Cherry beige keys is what I'm currently using.  It makes it easier for me to see where the keys are without looking at them.  Even by just the light from the monitor at night is enough.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 23 September 2012, 04:42:19
just wondering if new Realforce keyboards are coming? I'd like to get a fixed 45g or 55g 87U (10th anniversary would be so lovely)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: DaveyG on Fri, 28 September 2012, 17:35:32
I've got a UK layout 45g TKL (I must have TKL) and I must say I prefer the feel of this thing compared to any MX switch I've tried hands down... but it's not quite perfect.

I would dearly love to see some different colour keycaps with UK layout for sale.. if they exist. Maybe the market for a board like this over here is just too small? Unfortunately every time i get home I find my Topre on the floor & an old £10 keyboard plugged in because my better half can't see the (black on black) letters on "that stupid keyboard". Good job she doesn't know what it cost  ;). Lack of capslock light is also a bit of an issue, don't understand why it's on all the boards sold over the pond, but not on this. Passwords can be a pain in the ********

Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 29 September 2012, 01:11:46
Quote from: DaveyG on Fri, 28 September 2012, 17:35:32
Lack of capslock light is also a bit of an issue, don't understand why it's on all the boards sold over the pond, but not on this. Passwords can be a pain in the ********

new version has LED in the capslock key.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: szu on Sun, 18 November 2012, 17:34:44
Sorry if this has already been mentioned somewhere else, but are there any plans to get more UK layout 88UBs in stock? I'd be very interested in buying one if there were.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Mon, 19 November 2012, 10:49:49
Hi. Yes, we have more 88UB in UK and Swede/Fin layout on order. Hoping to see them around about Christmas.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: pasph on Mon, 19 November 2012, 11:22:33
Variable, 45g, 55g?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Yuuki on Mon, 19 November 2012, 12:41:10
Hi Bruce,

I sent you an email like a month or two ago.

It's about the difference in "coating" between the rf 87 keycaps and a 105.

I Bought both of them at kbco (rf 87ub and one french rf 105)
The 87 is black on black whereas the 105 is gold on black.

There is a difference in the feeling of the keycaps. The 105 one are more "smooth". I don't know how to describe it, but the "coating" or something seems  definetly different.

What's the exact difference between them ?

Also do you plan to get the 10th anniversary version ? if so, consider you have already 2 units sold
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 19 November 2012, 13:44:47
if you get a 10th anniversary you have 3 already sold :) Actually I'd be happy of a 45g uniform 87u
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: isman on Mon, 19 November 2012, 16:54:34
Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 19 November 2012, 13:44:47
if you get a 10th anniversary you have 3 already sold :)

4
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: DaveyG on Sun, 02 December 2012, 01:41:46
Quote from: isman on Mon, 19 November 2012, 16:54:34
Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 19 November 2012, 13:44:47
if you get a 10th anniversary you have 3 already sold :)

4

better make that 5  ;D
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: pasph on Sun, 02 December 2012, 08:07:41
6
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ian S on Thu, 06 December 2012, 20:23:24
Will you be getting any 105 back in stock? 
Will they have white or light keys with black text? 
All 45grams? 
And silenced?  Maybe the silenced use purple switches?  The RF88UB I have here has the black switches. 
I'd like to try lighter that 45grams.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:23:50
Hi Guys.

I'm going to have to find out if we can get the anniversary edition.. What layout are you guys talking?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:27:43
ANSI FTW!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: grndmstr137 on Tue, 22 January 2013, 07:19:48
+1
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: agor on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:28:36
oh yeah
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: DaveyG on Sat, 26 January 2013, 23:57:06
Quote from: Bruce on Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:23:50
Hi Guys.

I'm going to have to find out if we can get the anniversary edition.. What layout are you guys talking?

ANSI works for me too, the 87U with capslock/numlock light!!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Yuuki on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:58:00
Hi,

I recently bought two of them. One variable and one variable silent. As for kb layout, I'd prefer ANSI too. If I get a third one (which I might), it has to be uniform 55 or 45 (uniform 45 doesn't exist tho, at least when I look at leopold). 30 or 35 is out of the equation for me.

Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 06:38:12
no anniversary uniform 45?! oh ****!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dezs on Sat, 09 February 2013, 14:01:46
Did this got restocked just a couple of days ago ?

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=863

/me looking for his card...
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Tue, 12 February 2013, 06:06:07
Yes
We restocked that UK Black Tenkeyless and the Swe/Fin version.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Rendom on Tue, 12 February 2013, 10:26:02
will there gonna be 55g topre?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Thu, 14 February 2013, 01:54:56
Any info about new Topre versions (full size, nonvariable) or Topre keypads?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Staal on Fri, 01 March 2013, 15:01:09
Quote from: Bruce on Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:23:50
Hi Guys.

I'm going to have to find out if we can get the anniversary edition.. What layout are you guys talking?

30g Silent with Swedish layout!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Mon, 04 March 2013, 10:00:19
Hi Guys.
No luck with the anniv. model. Sorry.

Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: DaveyG on Tue, 05 March 2013, 05:53:03
Quote from: Bruce on Mon, 04 March 2013, 10:00:19
Hi Guys.
No luck with the anniv. model. Sorry.

aww.. that's a shame.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: dirge on Tue, 05 March 2013, 06:06:29
Wish you'd gone with a grey instead of a black on the UK boards :(
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Fri, 08 March 2013, 13:14:50
Bruce, you have a habit to ignore my questions :)

1. Is there going to be full size nonvariable Topre keyboards (ISO swe/fin model)?
2. Topre keypads? (for case I have to buy tenkeyless)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Wed, 13 March 2013, 11:37:37
Hi Naku

1. Is there going to be full size nonvariable Topre keyboards (ISO swe/fin model)?
Yes. There will. But not sure the colour scheme or exactly when. All 45 most likely.

2. Topre keypads? (for case I have to buy tenkeyless)
I don't think Topre are still making the keypads.


Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: guilleguillaume on Wed, 13 March 2013, 12:27:46
Bruce, do you think it's possible to get something like a Realforce 87UW with ISO layout?

I mean a tenkeyless Topre board with embedded numpad and in white colour with ISO layout.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Thu, 14 March 2013, 08:55:13
Quote from: Bruce on Wed, 13 March 2013, 11:37:37
Hi Naku

1. Is there going to be full size nonvariable Topre keyboards (ISO swe/fin model)?
Yes. There will. But not sure the colour scheme or exactly when. All 45 most likely.

2. Topre keypads? (for case I have to buy tenkeyless)
I don't think Topre are still making the keypads.



Thanks Bruce for answering to my questions.

About first question, not exactly when, but even a year would be nice. In this year, right?!
Also I would prefer 55g weighted keys, but 45g will do too :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Bruce on Mon, 18 March 2013, 11:11:52
Yep, this year.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Cafeine on Mon, 18 March 2013, 13:38:46
Thx again for the 88 UB FR Bruce. Reviews incoming ! #loveit
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: therecorder on Sat, 13 April 2013, 02:13:14
Will you be restocking the USA Topre Realforce keyboards?  If so, when do you expect them, and which type will you be receiving?

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Q404 on Sat, 13 April 2013, 04:54:23
Will you guys get the new Leopold Topre keyboard?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Cafeine on Mon, 15 April 2013, 19:26:46
Yup, I will. Ordered 4 for friends & me from contacts in Seoul. :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 16 April 2013, 01:42:05
Quote from: Cafeine on Mon, 15 April 2013, 19:26:46
Yup, I will. Ordered 4 for friends & me from contacts in Seoul. :)

I think the question was for Bruce :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 16 April 2013, 03:50:45
Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:27:43
ANSI FTW!

Oh YES please.  I might just get back into the Topre line with this coming baby  8) .  Keep us informed about this.

I would be honoured to buy any type of Topre Keyboard from you Bruce.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Q404 on Thu, 18 April 2013, 14:45:30
Yes the question was for bruce and annother question :Are 55g Topre keyboards coming to europe in the near future?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Se7en on Mon, 22 April 2013, 10:39:19
Any chance for a white TKL ISO uniform weight (45 or 55)? Perhaps silent as well?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Fri, 26 April 2013, 12:27:54
Hey, this is Will at the Keyboard Company - Bruce has been quite busy as of late so I'm going to try and answer as many questions as I can :)

Quote from: therecorder on Sat, 13 April 2013, 02:13:14
Will you be restocking the USA Topre Realforce keyboards?  If so, when do you expect them, and which type will you be receiving?

Thanks for the info.

Yes, but it likely won't be until this summer.

Quote from: Q404 on Sat, 13 April 2013, 04:54:23
Will you guys get the new Leopold Topre keyboard?

We don't have anything to announce now, but we do see the demand.

Quote from: Q404 on Thu, 18 April 2013, 14:45:30
Yes the question was for bruce and annother question :Are 55g Topre keyboards coming to europe in the near future?

Probably not, we're not seeing much interest for 55g.

Quote from: Se7en on Mon, 22 April 2013, 10:39:19
Any chance for a white TKL ISO uniform weight (45 or 55)? Perhaps silent as well?

Yes, these will be restocked.

We may have something to announce later on, but nothing at the moment guys :) Thanks for the questions!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: mR_fRag` on Tue, 07 May 2013, 11:35:21
No 55g :(
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: etatoby on Mon, 27 May 2013, 06:39:51
Hi. I'm shopping for a Topre keyboard and I'd rather buy it from a reputable EU company than from a random Taiwan dealer ^-^

Question: do they make a full-size one, US ANSI, with variable weight and the newer silent action? Will you stock them anytime soon?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Naku on Fri, 14 June 2013, 04:05:22
And I thought that 55g would be rather popular switch  :(
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Fri, 14 June 2013, 10:42:47
Quote from: etatoby on Mon, 27 May 2013, 06:39:51
Hi. I'm shopping for a Topre keyboard and I'd rather buy it from a reputable EU company than from a random Taiwan dealer ^-^

Question: do they make a full-size one, US ANSI, with variable weight and the newer silent action? Will you stock them anytime soon?

From what I understand, the new "silent" switches are only available on TKL keybaords at the moment. Of course, the currently available 104UW and 104BB models are very quiet already, compared to other mechanical keyboards. I'm using a UK version of these at the moment and it's definitely the quietest mechanical I own even without the new switches.

Quote from: Naku on Fri, 14 June 2013, 04:05:22
And I thought that 55g would be rather popular switch  :(

Yeah, I'm intrigued personally but in order for it to be viable we need to be confident we can sell the minimum order quantity :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Fri, 14 June 2013, 19:17:48
I would buy a swedish 55g in about 1 second :D Doesnt matter if its full size or tenkeyless, black or grey or whatever, ill buy it so fast. Oh, and i dont know if topre stopped making numpads, but elitekeyboards have the white ones in stock, so i guess they can be ordered from topre somehow. That would be nice to buy from keyboard co.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Se7en on Sat, 15 June 2013, 12:14:00
Quote from: Ghostpixel on Fri, 14 June 2013, 19:17:48
I would buy a swedish 55g in about 1 second :D Doesnt matter if its full size or tenkeyless, black or grey or whatever, ill buy it so fast. Oh, and i dont know if topre stopped making numpads, but elitekeyboards have the white ones in stock, so i guess they can be ordered from topre somehow. That would be nice to buy from keyboard co.

Please step this way and make it happen:

 [IC] Swe/Fin silent Realforce TKL ISO (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43676.0)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 29 June 2013, 13:09:32
when do you think ANSI realforces will be available again? I'm in for one possibly white uniform 45gr or even 55g and I'd prefer to get one from EU than going the JP route.

thanks
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Mon, 01 July 2013, 03:32:20
Probably this summer, Matt3o.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 01 July 2013, 03:45:33
I hate this uncertainty :)  ^-^
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Mon, 01 July 2013, 05:12:30
Me too. I can ask if you like, but my guess is there is no news.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 01 July 2013, 06:15:08
well asking never hurts...
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Mon, 01 July 2013, 06:16:49
OK, will do. I don't want to ask about every post though (and particularly ones that have been answered before), otherwise it's not much more convenient for Bruce than reading the forum himself ;)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 01 July 2013, 06:45:55
thanks!

put it like this, if you get them within few weeks... here, take my money. I can even pre-order if you want. Otherwise I'll go US/KR/JP whatever.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Mon, 01 July 2013, 10:50:41
We'll be restocking this, is the answer:
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-topre-realforce-87uw-variable-mini-black-on-beige-keyboard.asp

I don't think it'll be available in your 2 week window, however :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Roper102 on Sat, 06 July 2013, 17:17:54
Is there any chance for a full-sized, non-variable Topre keyboard with German layout to be available?
I'd really like to get a Topre board with 105 keys, sadly the ones available are 'variable', which is kinda odd for gaming.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: GeorgeStorm on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:46:34
Are you guys planning on getting some of the new 'cheap' topre boards in at any point?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:51:35
Quote from: GeorgeStorm on Wed, 17 July 2013, 08:46:34
Are you guys planning on getting some of the new 'cheap' topre boards in at any point?

Yes, that is planned but we have nothing to announce at the moment.

Quote from: Roper102 on Sat, 06 July 2013, 17:17:54
Is there any chance for a full-sized, non-variable Topre keyboard with German layout to be available?
I'd really like to get a Topre board with 105 keys, sadly the ones available are 'variable', which is kinda odd for gaming.

It's hard to keep a lot of stock for non-English layouts, just because it is hard to justify the minimum order quantity even for better selling Topre keyboards. We have nothing to announce, but we know there is some demand and we'll do what we can :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 21 August 2013, 05:27:50
Any chance for UK ISO white topre THL?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Wed, 21 August 2013, 07:12:42
Again, it's difficult to promise we can get UK/Beige/TKL in stock. As we see fewer Topre sales than (for example) Filco, it's hard to order less common variants because it's unlikely we'll be able to hit the minimum order quantity. Of course, we are looking at these threads and other indicators when we make these decisions, so please continue to share :)

To you Phinix, and to all others requesting specific Topre keyboards in this thread, I'd encourage you to find other people that want the same keyboard as you. If we can be assured that we'll be able to sell the MOQ, then it's much easier for us to make that decision.

I hope you understand that we see the demand for Topre keyboards in general, but the many different combinations - colour, layout, key weighting, size - make it different to satisfy every potential customer :)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: Ghostpixel on Wed, 21 August 2013, 08:47:40
We tried to get a group of ppl together and make a special topre for sweden a while back, and we got 10 people, but in the end we needed 40-50 to make it happen :/ Maybe that was because it would be a real one-off model so to speak. Is the MOQ lower for models that is already in produktion from time to time at topre?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Wed, 21 August 2013, 08:53:17
Ideally you would get a slightly larger group, as a large proportion of people tend to renege on their earlier signups.

Edit: MOQs are larger than I thought!
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bpiphany on Sun, 01 September 2013, 03:40:26
Quote from: Ghostpixel on Wed, 21 August 2013, 08:47:40
We tried to get a group of ppl together and make a special topre for sweden a while back, and we got 10 people, but in the end we needed 40-50 to make it happen :/ Maybe that was because it would be a real one-off model so to speak. Is the MOQ lower for models that is already in produktion from time to time at topre?

I would love to see a SE/FI version with the color scheme of the 108UH models. I'm sure they would be sellable, but putting down money for 50 units is a bit much... How much would an order like that be per unit?

Is it possible to order keycap sets from whoever it is that manufactures the Realforces? That is a product category that is really missing on the market =P

With that said it would be lovely if the Keyboard Company would stock the Swedish/Finnish 105UFW in white. The only place to get them seems to be from Verkkokauppa and their site is really tricky to navigate unless you know Finnish...
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Sun, 01 September 2013, 14:56:08
Generally Topre is even harder than Filco to hit minimum order quantities for. As you add in more factors - colours, layout, sizes - it gets even more difficult to justify the MOQ. Again, if we have proof the demand is there then we're happy to order some in, but at the moment I don't think we're anywhere near reaching the MOQ for the item you've described - 108UH in Nordic.
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: bpiphany on Thu, 05 September 2013, 12:51:56
I suppose the MOQ is larger than the above mentioned 40 or 50 then. I can't see a number like that not selling eventually..

A gray set of modifiers would be a great add-on to a white Topre keyboard. A set like that would also be the same for all(/most) language versions. Now I know you of course don't carry any white models.. but that would be nice as well =)
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 22 November 2013, 05:25:47
I wonder how many UK guys would buy white/beige 45g TKL?
50 is not enough for MOQ?
Title: Re: Topre Keyboards for Europe.
Post by: wsjudd on Fri, 22 November 2013, 07:56:56
Yup, usually MOQs are much higher.