[GB] Ragnarok Red on Black 87/104 Keyset: Order Thread [Shipped]

[Ragnorock]

I just posted the info on the biggest gaming comunity @ Spain more than 2000 users online usually.
Maybe if people show interest we will buy a nice pack.

Coolio, thanks!

Also I think I figured out a workable route for the mod keys:

Since the Phantom keyboard is doing its own shapes (Diamond, Star) we will probably just go with the windows and menu keys in the base set, keeping it completely standard. As much as I dislike windows, it seems like that will keep others from getting upset and avoid any cutting fees.

[lightsout714]

Bummer you have to pay for the phantom to get the stepped capslock.

[tsangan]

Bummer you have to pay for the phantom to get the stepped capslock.

Think of it as an add-on kit for your future keyboards

I think we can hit 75 sets, that would be awesome. Only $7 difference between 50 and 75 tier, and I expected to hit 50 anyways so I'm happy with the turn out

[lightsout714]

Think of it as an add-on kit for your future keyboards

I think we can hit 75 sets, that would be awesome. Only $7 difference between 50 and 75 tier, and I expected to hit 50 anyways so I'm happy with the turn out

But I don't see myself needing those other caps.

[Ragnorock]

Yeah now that we have pretty much already hit 50, I'm good to go on counts if we can get at least 15 and hopefully 25 on most of the add ons. The discounts really don't accumulate to much after 50 and especially 75.

[demik]

But I don't see myself needing those other caps.

but when you do, it'll suck not having them.

[tsangan]

but when you do, it'll suck not having them.

QFE

[RColinTaylor]

At the end of the day the reality sets that, when it comes time to sell off this set to replace it with the Clickclack full set in 2013 it will be significantly easier to do so with the add-ons.

[lightsout714]

I'm not rich like most of you guys here. :-(

[biochem]

1x Ragnarok

[jinzo.pk3]

Ragnarok
1x Keyset

104
1x Keyset

Country: AU

[KylJoy]

Ragnarok
1x Keyset

104
1x Keyset

USA

[elton5354]

Ragnarok
1x Keyset

Canada

[WorldExclusive]

Yeah now that we have pretty much already hit 50, I'm good to go on counts if we can get at least 15 and hopefully 25 on most of the add ons. The discounts really don't accumulate to much after 50 and especially 75.

Awesome. A "keep it simple" GB is better and more likely to be a success.

Hopefully the 104 add on hits 25.

[metafour]

Since the Phantom keyboard is doing its own shapes (Diamond, Star) we will probably just go with the windows and menu keys in the base set, keeping it completely standard. As much as I dislike windows, it seems like that will keep others from getting upset and avoid any cutting fees.

Crap, now I'm going to have to find a set of replacement modifiers. =\

[WhiteFireDragon]

Hey I'm not on the list in the OP and I posted my order on the first page. Must have forgot to send you the PM, so sending another PM right now.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Turns out Tsangan realized that the Phantom add on is 11 keys and not 9, so we need to revise the pricing for them. Shouldn't make a significant difference in the price though, its just 2 1x keys. Here is his handy little mockup:

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I'm not sure if this applies to all phantom buyers but it gives a good idea what the keys you will be getting are, aside from colors of course.

Wait there must be something I'm missing here. The Phantom layout/plate can't hold a space bar because you can't put stabilizers on there. The whole bottom row is filled with x1 and x1.5 size caps, so I counted more than 11 additional keys are needed to be added. Why is there an extra x7 size space bar? Here is the Phantom layout:

http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=38570&d=1327539437

[KylJoy]

I have to think that keeping the set "original" with the menu and Windows keys instead of specialized modifiers will make things easier.  I won't use the standard modifiers but I would not really consider the set complete without them included as part of the base.  I have lots of other novelty modifiers and if I want the extra modifiers for this set I'll buy them.  And I'm thinking I might...  D*mnit!

[FourOhFour]

All of these will ship in the Priority flat rate boxes, which is what these rates are based off of. Seriously the flat rate international small box rate is now $17. I lost money on the orders that paid $15 last time. I normally pad the shipping rates by a buck or two in case this happens but this is not the case with international anymore as it is expensive enough already. I am not happy about this either but unless I can find an affordable substitute for boxes before I start collecting money these are the prices. Boxes are much more expensive to buy, so I'm going to take a look at various options but don't expect them to magically go down 10 dollars in price.

You can use the non-flat-rate Priority Mail boxes for int'l, which are free from the post office or usps.com. Don't know if doing priority mail by weight is any cheaper than the flat rate for int'l, though.

[demik]

Wait there must be something I'm missing here. The Phantom layout/plate can't hold a space bar because you can't put stabilizers on there. The whole bottom row is filled with x1 and x1.5 size caps, so I counted more than 11 additional keys are needed to be added. Why is there an extra x7 size space bar? Here is the Phantom layout:

http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=38570&d=1327539437

That's the 7bit layout. Phantom comes in 3 lay outs. Normal "modern" layout with 1.25 mods, winkeyless with 1.5 mods and 7bit, the one you described.

[Kisakuku]

That's the 7bit layout. Phantom comes in 3 lay outs. Normal "modern" layout with 1.25 mods, winkeyless with 1.5 mods and 7bit, the one you described.

How could you forget about our ISO brothers and their two layouts!

[demik]

Mostly speaking of the mods part

[Ragnorock]

You can use the non-flat-rate Priority Mail boxes for int'l, which are free from the post office or usps.com. Don't know if doing priority mail by weight is any cheaper than the flat rate for int'l, though.

The non flat rate boxes are not free, they cost like $3 each. Not viable. They will send you flat rate boxes for free because it is built into the rates they charge for flat rate, but their standard stuff you have to buy a readypost box for it and they are marked up a great deal as well because USPS is desperately trying to find ways to stay in business.

I'm trying to figure out options, I don't like how expensive it has become either, especially for international shipments. High shipping prices help nobody but the carrier.

[kaiserreich]

Order more Phantoms :cheer2:

[RColinTaylor]

The non flat rate boxes are not free, they cost like $3 each. Not viable. They will send you flat rate boxes for free because it is built into the rates they charge for flat rate, but their standard stuff you have to buy a readypost box for it and they are marked up a great deal as well because USPS is desperately trying to find ways to stay in business.

I'm trying to figure out options, I don't like how expensive it has become either, especially for international shipments. High shipping prices help nobody but the carrier.

The best way that I found was to have it shipped in bulk to a second distributor and then shipped within the region itself by that person.

[Ragnorock]

I would prefer not to do that, there aren't enough within certain regions to justify it. If we had like 10 people from Australia maybe, but even then it adds a whole different level of uncertainty for me. If one of those sets goes missing, I am responsible, even though I know that when I shipped it out it was completely correct and intact. Not saying that I don't trust the other members of the community, but if I do everything myself I know it has been done exactly how I want it and I have nothing to worry about except my own mistakes, which I am fine with being accountable for.

[WhiteFireDragon]

That's the 7bit layout. Phantom comes in 3 lay outs. Normal "modern" layout with 1.25 mods, winkeyless with 1.5 mods and 7bit, the one you described.

Yeah you're right, I guess I was specifically asking about the 7bit layout. But that also means we can't get any set in here that will accommodate to the phantom 7bit layout.

I still don't understand this extra Phantom kit though. Show me a plate from the Phantom GB that can hold the x1 star cap on the right of the right Shift cap. Here are all the plates, and none of them have that extra key to the right of the right Shift, except the 7bit layout.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom_Group_Buy#Pricelist

[boost]

In for 1 ragnarock set

Thanks

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[RColinTaylor]

I know that about 5 different mini-shipping consortium popped up for the Novelty buy; the largest being a group form Malaysia. People were more than willing to put the responsibility on the connecting party.

[Ragnorock]

Yeah you're right, I guess I was specifically asking about the 7bit layout. But that also means we can't get any set in here that will accommodate to the phantom 7bit layout.

I still don't understand this extra Phantom kit though. Show me a plate from the Phantom GB that can hold the x1 star cap on the right of the right Shift cap. Here are all the plates, and none of them have that extra key to the right of the right Shift, except the 7bit layout.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom_Group_Buy#Pricelist

You probably want to get some of the Round 4 keys for that layout? I'm really not sure how all of that works since I'm just going off of what Tsangan and Demik tell me Phantom needs.

I know that about 5 different mini-shipping consortium popped up for the Novelty buy; the largest being a group form Malaysia. People were more than willing to put the responsibility on the connecting party.

Its just a question of security, a friend offered to do the sorting and shipping for me for a fee, but I told him no mostly because even though he is one of my closest friends, I just don't want to be forced into entrusting someone else with everyone on here's keycaps. That and it hurts the margins even more lol.

[demik]

Yeah you're right, I guess I was specifically asking about the 7bit layout. But that also means we can't get any set in here that will accommodate to the phantom 7bit layout.

I still don't understand this extra Phantom kit though. Show me a plate from the Phantom GB that can hold the x1 star cap on the right of the right Shift cap. Here are all the plates, and none of them have that extra key to the right of the right Shift, except the 7bit layout.
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom_Group_Buy#Pricelist

It's not strictly for phantom only. Tsangan incorporated Dox keyboard and another cherry board. It's just pure phantom by name.

[WhiteFireDragon]

It's not strictly for phantom only. Tsangan incorporated Dox keyboard and another cherry board. It's just pure phantom by name.

Ah if it's not for phantom only, maybe Ragnorock should be clear about this in the OP. All that's mentioned is that it's "compatible with the Phantom keyboard", no mentions of any other layouts.

I attached an edited pic to show what I mean. For all phantom layouts (except 7bit layout, which is not even possible with this GB), the 3 green top right keys are completely useless. The diamond is in the same place as the "?" key, the right shift x1.75 is too small to fit any of the phantom layouts, and there is no room for the top star on the right of the shift key. The only thing this "Phantom kit" is good for in the Phantom GB is the four x1.5 sized modifiers, 2 x1 size in between them, and the x7 size spacebar. And even then, this is ONLY good for the "PHANSI150" and "PHISO150" plates. If you ordered any of the other 5 plates, this kit is completely useless.

Now if I'm missing something here, please correct me. I was about to order the "phantom kit" also, but I realized it's not even compatible with both the Phantom plates I ordered from the other GB.

[mkawa]

those three keys were most likely designed to match a proposed dox layout (but keep in mind the dox layouts are not final yet). actually, maybe that's for the 356cl?

[demik]

Ah if it's not for phantom only, maybe Ragnorock should be clear about this in the OP. All that's mentioned is that it's "compatible with the Phantom keyboard", no mentions of any other layouts.

I attached an edited pic to show what I mean. For all phantom layouts (except 7bit layout, which is not even possible with this GB), the 3 green top right keys are completely useless. The diamond is in the same place as the "?" key, the right shift x1.75 is too small to fit any of the phantom layouts, and there is no room for the top star on the right of the shift key. The only thing this "Phantom kit" is good for in the Phantom GB is the four x1.5 sized modifiers, 2 x1 size in between them, and the x7 size spacebar. And even then, this is ONLY good for the "PHANSI150" and "PHISO150" plates. If you ordered any of the other 5 plates, this kit is completely useless.

Now if I'm missing something here, please correct me. I was about to order the "phantom kit" also, but I realized it's not even compatible with both the Phantom plates I ordered from the other GB.

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from tsangan's gb

11key add-on set, for Phantom, DOX, Cherry 1800, DK Saver, 356CL and many more!

[Phil21]

In for a 104 set + Phantom for the heck of it.

Thanks!

Ragnarock
1x Keyset

104
1x Keyset

Phantom
1x Keyset

[FourOhFour]

The non flat rate boxes are not free, they cost like $3 each.

Nope, there are non-flat-rate Priority Mail branded boxes. They're usually on the back side of the display in the post office. (Or, if your post office is like mine, the empty spots in the display where they belong are on the back side, against the wall... *sigh*) You do need to use Priority Mail postage, just not the flat rate... so it may not be any cheaper.

8x12x12
11 1/2 x 13 5/8 x 2 3/8
15 1/4 x 12 3/8 x 3
9 1/4 x 6 1/4 x 2
12 1/8 x 13 3/8 x 2 3/4
DVD case sized
7 1/2 x 5 1/8 x 14 3/8

[snowboarder3]

The non flat rate boxes are not free, they cost like $3 each. Not viable.

No idea where you're getting that idea from. I've gotten hundreds of boxes delivered fo free. Never paid a cent.
https://store.usps.com/store/browse/subcategory.jsp?categoryId=subcatMSS_PriorityMail&categoryNavIds=catGetMailingShippingSupplies%3AsubcatMSS_PriorityMail

edit loltoolate

[elton5354]

Why are there no bubble mailers offered? That would cut the shipping cost in half.

[lightsout714]

Why are there no bubble mailers offered? That would cut the shipping cost in half.

Damaged keys?

[mickd]

I don't think the keys would all comfortably sit into a bubble mailer.

I hope we do end up finding a slightly cheaper alternative to international shipping in these free boxes! If I was in the US, I would get some just to store some of my own personal stuff in haha.

[Ragnorock]

Why are there no bubble mailers offered? That would cut the shipping cost in half.

Because the number of keys won't fit. I had problems fitting Nyansets in them, let alone full 104 sets.

Snowboarder that link leads to where I get my boxes from, but notice how the vast majority of those boxes say flat rate or regional rate? I am not saying that you are wrong but if anything I'm just going to go down to my post office and see what they say about it.

[elton5354]

Oh, aren't there large/extra large ones like here in Canada?

http://www.canadapost.ca/shop/personal/mailing-amp-shipping-supplies/cushion-envelopes/cushion-envelope-large/p-242666.jsf?execution=e1s1

[hazeluff]

Ah if it's not for phantom only, maybe Ragnorock should be clear about this in the OP. All that's mentioned is that it's "compatible with the Phantom keyboard", no mentions of any other layouts.

I attached an edited pic to show what I mean. For all phantom layouts (except 7bit layout, which is not even possible with this GB), the 3 green top right keys are completely useless. The diamond is in the same place as the "?" key, the right shift x1.75 is too small to fit any of the phantom layouts, and there is no room for the top star on the right of the shift key. The only thing this "Phantom kit" is good for in the Phantom GB is the four x1.5 sized modifiers, 2 x1 size in between them, and the x7 size spacebar. And even then, this is ONLY good for the "PHANSI150" and "PHISO150" plates. If you ordered any of the other 5 plates, this kit is completely useless.

Now if I'm missing something here, please correct me. I was about to order the "phantom kit" also, but I realized it's not even compatible with both the Phantom plates I ordered from the other GB.

I put the diamond and star there just cos I needed to put it somewhere, the idea was that you get two diamonds and two stars, and you can do w/e the hell you want with it. It helps the Choc mini grp as there are 3 single width keys on the mod row.

And the 1.75x shift fits the phantom layouts on the right side (PH7BIT plate).

What it's missing is a 1.25x shift. for the left side.

Anyway I think tsangan was catering mainly to the people with the weird 1.5x mods and the stepped capslock. I'm not sure about fitting for phantom/iso 100%.

[AKIMbO]

Hot damn...55 sets already!

[metafour]

Is there word on the pricing for the Phantom addon yet? I'd like a stepped capslock but am not going to pay a fortune for the one key like the vimcaps in Round 4. One of the styles is $20 for literally one key.

[tsangan]

Ah if it's not for phantom only, maybe Ragnorock should be clear about this in the OP. All that's mentioned is that it's "compatible with the Phantom keyboard", no mentions of any other layouts.

I attached an edited pic to show what I mean. For all phantom layouts (except 7bit layout, which is not even possible with this GB), the 3 green top right keys are completely useless. The diamond is in the same place as the "?" key, the right shift x1.75 is too small to fit any of the phantom layouts, and there is no room for the top star on the right of the shift key. The only thing this "Phantom kit" is good for in the Phantom GB is the four x1.5 sized modifiers, 2 x1 size in between them, and the x7 size spacebar. And even then, this is ONLY good for the "PHANSI150" and "PHISO150" plates. If you ordered any of the other 5 plates, this kit is completely useless.

Now if I'm missing something here, please correct me. I was about to order the "phantom kit" also, but I realized it's not even compatible with both the Phantom plates I ordered from the other GB.

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Just to clarify a bit more this is ment as a add-on kit and not strictly for Phantom but more for a bunch of keyboards that can use these few keys to make the set work for example, the picture itself is just to show an example of the keys and their row and not necessary that's the spot they will be going in.

Stepped caps - no need for explanation
1.5x modifer - for winkeyless keyboards
1x modifer - for winkeyless keyboards, Fn key beside the shift and also many other boards such as Choc Mini, there are 4 keys because besides the space between alt and control a lot of keyboards require more 1x keys
1800 shift - for Cherry 1800, Dox, and I believe the Phantom can incorporate this also which will allow an extra 1x key beside it, similar to HHKB/Pure

This add on kit hits A LOT of keyboards out there that have a few funky keys here and there.

While the 7bit layout is very intesnse, there are many 1.25 modifers, small enter, small backspace, tiny shift, and HUGE function row keys, there is no way to incorporate that into this multi purpose set as the 7bit add on requires far too many keys by itself.

[demik]

Is there word on the pricing for the Phantom addon yet? I'd like a stepped capslock but am not going to pay a fortune for the one key like the vimcaps in Round 4. One of the styles is $20 for literally one key.

it's right on the first page

Phantom

15 keysets    $31.00
25 keysets    $21.00
50 keysets    $13.00
75 keysets    $10.00
100 keysets $9.00

[metafour]

it's right on the first page

Phantom

15 keysets    $31.00
25 keysets    $21.00
50 keysets    $13.00
75 keysets    $10.00
100 keysets $9.00

**** I'm blind. I totally skimmed over it.

[hashbaz]

Wow, 55 orders already ... I hope this doesn't doom tsangan's cream cheese set.

[tsangan]

People might be thinking not to spend the little extra on this add-on kit but you really have to see the versatility on this kit

If you're looking to get a Pure, this add on kit is required, Winkeyless Phantom this kit is required, Cherry 1800 this kit is required, Dox this kit is required, Choc Mini this set is required, and a lot more custom keyboards out there!

Wow, 55 orders already ... I hope this doesn't doom tsangan's cream cheese set.

Nah don't think so as long as we don't do it at the same time it's fine and I spoke with Rag and we decided that to do this set first so A. people's wallet can rest and B. I can rest.

I have people PMing asking to place an order for that set or when is it starting every so often