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« Reply #50 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:00:32 »
what's the chances of this fitting in other costar keyboard cases, CMstorm, for example.

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« Reply #51 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:02:29 »
I have no idea.  I don't have a CMstorm.  If you have one, open it up and take a picture of the inside of the top and bottom halves, as well as the PCB.

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« Reply #52 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 11:06:14 »
It should fit in the PLU ML87 and the CMStorm.
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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 12:10:11 »
Interested if assembly is done for me!

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« Reply #54 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 12:17:11 »
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« Reply #55 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 12:26:19 »
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I'm willing to do assembly... located in the NE US and I can post a pic of some SMD soldering I've done recently... not that this requires it but I do know what I'm doing :)

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Interested if assembly is done for me!

KL, contact alaricljs directly.  He is offering soldering service for group buyers.

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« Reply #56 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 12:49:09 »
I added information to alaricljs's soldering service to the 1st post.

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« Reply #57 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:42:54 »
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Here is an idea.  We should do a custom design Phantom logo for a front row 1x keys!  We need a brand-recognizing logo!

We could easily do the Mask in keycap form; I assume you want it as a 1x size modifier like a RF?
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« Reply #58 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:44:43 »
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We could easily do the Mask in keycap form; I assume you want it as a 1x size modifier like a RF?

Yes!  Yes!

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« Reply #59 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:46:35 »
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Yes!  Yes!

I think that would cripple those who are not getting the PCB that does that form; I am all for doing a 1.25x AND 1x modifier set though; Light Gray on Dark Gray?
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« Reply #60 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:47:55 »
PCB can do all kinds of configurations.  It is the plate that need to be more specific.

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« Reply #61 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:49:42 »
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PCB can do all kinds of configurations.  It is the plate that need to be more specific.

Alright, yea, I mistated that. The true question is how many people are going to stick with a 1.25x mod config over the 1.5/1x mod config. I think doing both styles would be better and that way people who do not have Cherry but just like the actual phantom mask logo can participate in a buy.
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« Reply #62 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 14:58:11 »
Between Deskthority and GeekHack, we have 20 or so PCB orders now.  15 for 1.5x plates, 5 for 1.25x plates.  Hopefully more orders will come in before we close the group buy.

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« Reply #63 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 15:14:44 »
whats the eta for this group buy to be closed?

Also lister do you happen to know a good source to pick up the additional parts needed?
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« Reply #64 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 15:21:06 »
Well Lit, if you really do want keycaps for the 1st row mod-styles just let me know. I would be interested in running that buy since those caps interest me even without me wanting a Phantom Keyboard.
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« Reply #65 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 16:40:00 »
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« Reply #66 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 16:48:34 »
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whats the eta for this group buy to be closed?

Also lister do you happen to know a good source to pick up the additional parts needed?

We don't know when we will close the group buy yet.  We still have a few loose ends to tie down yet.  But the design of the PCB and plates are 99% done.  As for additional parts, if you mean switches a stabilizers, you can buy them from mouser.  Not sure if we can get a swtich group buy at the moment.

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Well Lit, if you really do want keycaps for the 1st row mod-styles just let me know. I would be interested in running that buy since those caps interest me even without me wanting a Phantom Keyboard.

If you could do that, that would be great.  Let's hope there will be enough orders so the keycaps are not too expensive.

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« Reply #67 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 16:49:33 »
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You have 2 orders :peep:

I will add new orders to the list later today.  Thanks.

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« Reply #68 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 16:58:06 »
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If you could do that, that would be great.  Let's hope there will be enough orders so the keycaps are not too expensive.

If I could get the SVG for the Phantom mask I can start an interest check tonight; the only work left to do past that would be the Colors.
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« Reply #69 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 17:02:42 »
I don't have the SVG for the phantom mask.  Where could we get that?  As for colors, I suppose most people will be either using black on white or white on black Cherry double shot keycaps.  Maybe we could use the same colors as the last Moogle Kit group buy.  Alternatively, we could choose a complete different color.  Red could work for either white or black keys and could stand out.

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« Reply #70 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 17:08:25 »
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I don't have the SVG for the phantom mask.  Where could we get that?  As for colors, I suppose most people will be either using black on white or white on black Cherry double shot keycaps.  Maybe we could use the same colors as the last Moogle Kit group buy.  Alternatively, we could choose a complete different color.  Red could work for either white or black keys and could stand out.

Well whoever made the original image may have the SVG; if not someone could make it from that image itself. Color wise it really comes down to opinion of how you want your modifiers to look. Red on Black modifiers are kind of awkward to me so black on white or white on black stand out as having the most opportunity to be popular.
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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 20:49:34 »
As a bit of sideness: I am nearly done extracting an SVG from the .png in the original header image. I should have a workable file in an hour or so.

Edit:
Done!

I removed the mask image from the original banner, put it through a set of steps, and came out with a .SVG that to me looks damn near perfect.

The Original
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A PNG made using the .SVG
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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:15:27 »
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I have no idea.  I don't have a CMstorm.  If you have one, open it up and take a picture of the inside of the top and bottom halves, as well as the PCB.


I'll see if I can take it apart this weekend.

I also will then have an excuse to take all my review pictures off the phone.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:24:50 »
Very cool!  Thanks for the help.  Want to get a temperature from group buyers how many of you would want this custom Phantom key to go with your custom Phantom keyboard (2 1x keys per keyboard)?

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:27:43 »
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Very cool!  Thanks for the help.  Want to get a temperature from group buyers how many of you would want this custom Phantom key to go with your custom Phantom keyboard (2 1x keys per keyboard)?

Do you want to do 2 1x keys or a set of 2 1x and 2 1.25's?
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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:29:52 »
Right!  we need both.  Yes, 2 1x and 2 1.25x.  Thanks.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:31:11 »
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Right!  we need both.  Yes, 2 1x and 2 1.25x.  Thanks.

Perfect; make it a set for Front Row and call it the Phantom Kit?
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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 03 November 2011, 21:45:09 »
Yes. That's cool.

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« Reply #78 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 03:53:43 »
Here is an update.  

Behind the scene, we are finishing up the design and closing a few decisions.  As you know we maybe getting a custom keycap made for this special keyboard.  It will likely a separate group buy.  We are looking into if we could include switches in the group buy, or direct group buyers to mouser or digikey to get the switches directly from these vendors.  We are going to do a round of virtual measurement check of the plate design against an actual Filco tenkeyless keyboard.  We will likely print out the PCB on cardboard in 1:1 scale to more measurement checking.  Then we will make a couple of test plates, mount real switches onto them and do another measurement against a real Filco keyboard.  

All the above I expect would take 2 weeks to 3 weeks.  Once everything is checked out and that we are confident with the design, we will close the group buy, collect money, and order all the parts.  That will likely take another month or two from ordering, manufacturing, shipping, sorting, shipping to our 2 distributors, and then ship out to buyers.
I will update again when we have more info.  Thanks.

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 04:55:32 »
The order system is up!

But currently, you can only order via Deskthority.

All previous orders will be included automatically and you will receive a notification of what we've got in our system.
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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 06:07:03 »
All switches are numbered with regards to their position in the keyboard matrix. The diodes are as well. Every switch needs it own diode in series to stop ghosting and enabling more than 2KRO. The matrix is NKRO, existing firmware implementations are 6KRO (with other solutions enabling NKRO out there).

The LEDs needs resistors mounted in series. In general LEDs are not 5V and will die instantly if connected to it. There are also a great number of LEDs with built in resistors. When using them a simple jumper in place of the resistor will be used. (Jumpers are provided in hundreds from cutoff diode leads.) A maximum of 3 resistors will be needed depending on LED locations used.

Component placement should be quite obvious from these images. If not just ask. Silkscreen is more visible on a non-white background (the transparency of the image is a bit unfortunate), open the PNGs in a viewer where the background color can be chosen other than white.

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« Reply #81 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:37:07 »
In the new thread, there are four types of stabilizers for sale.. is there a chart or list to tell us which is which?
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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:43:29 »
OY!

I made test designs for each of the color options in the keys for yall to choose from! Also, I will be getting the keycap design submission email sent out today so I can get any word from Melissa as to whether or not it is doable.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:50:00 »
Quote from: 7bit;445340
The order system is up!

But currently, you can only order via Deskthority.

All previous orders will be included automatically and you will receive a notification of what we've got in our system.


Phantom now takes orders!
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« Reply #84 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 09:53:29 »
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In the new thread, there are four types of stabilizers for sale.. is there a chart or list to tell us which is which?

STAB200 2 to 2.75 units keys
STAB400 4 units Tipro-space bar
STAB625 6.25 units Cherry space bar
STAB700 7 units Cherry space bar
STAB1000 10 units Cherry space bar

I will post measures. Maybe we need to offer more variants. Also, the prices are currently just guesses.


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« Reply #85 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 10:09:21 »
7bit - how real are those prices for switches?  I understand that we'll end up ordering hundreds possibly even thousands of them... but the price is almost too good to believe.

Ok.. just re-read it... Do we seriously have a case available?  What are the details?

Who's providing soldering at $200 ??
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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 11:02:22 »
We are still investigating where and how to get all the different switches we would need.  Same thing for the case.  On DT, Sixty suggested us to contact Costar about cases.  I will ask him for contact info.  As for the $200 soldering service, I think the price is just a place holder at the moment.  And I think it is just for tracking purposes so we know if we need to ship the parts to you or Half-Saint for soldering.  As I suggested before, group buyers need to deal with soldering service people directly.  Thanks for adding a soldering service thread.  I will add a link on the first post to your thread.

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« Reply #87 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 15:22:39 »
What is MX dark blue plate mount switch?

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« Reply #88 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 15:39:36 »
I read (I think on DT) that the new and old (from the 80s) MX blue switch have slightly different shades of blue.  But I can't find that thread now.

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« Reply #89 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 15:57:27 »
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What is MX dark blue plate mount switch?


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« Reply #90 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 17:14:40 »
I added additional information on ordering on the 3rd post in this thread.

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« Reply #91 on: Fri, 04 November 2011, 17:28:05 »
Quote from: litster;445820
I added additional information on ordering on the 3rd post in this thread.


Once again, order system works!

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« Reply #92 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 01:44:49 »
I should have provided this information this morning, but 7bit's mail went to my junkmail box.  Sorry.  

7bit found a source who can provide us with Cherry MX switches of all colors.  that is great news!  We still need to source stabilizers though.  But we are another step closer!  I will update the available part list.

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« Reply #93 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 01:46:03 »
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I should have provided this information this morning, but 7bit's mail went to my junkmail box.  Sorry.  

7bit found a source who can provide us with Cherry MX switches of all colors.  that is great news!  We still need to source stabilizers though.  But we are another step closer!  I will update the available part list.

Worse comes to worse WASD sells the stabilizing bars.
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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:01:01 »
Thanks for the pointer, Colin.  I started a new thread in the WASD forum to ask if he would help us get the full stabilizer part.  Just the bar is not enough.  We need the smaill white stabilizer tabs, as well as the two small pieces of plastic that are installed on the mounting plate.  I hope he can help us out.

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 02:17:52 »
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Thanks for the pointer, Colin.  I started a new thread in the WASD forum to ask if he would help us get the full stabilizer part.  Just the bar is not enough.  We need the smaill white stabilizer tabs, as well as the two small pieces of plastic that are installed on the mounting plate.  I hope he can help us out.

The only part that you guys are seeking that is missing is the secondary-mounting stabilizer tab thingies. The white clip tabs are available at WASD.
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« Reply #96 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 03:40:43 »
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The only part that you guys are seeking that is missing is the secondary-mounting stabilizer tab thingies. The white clip tabs are available at WASD.


Ah, thanks!

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CASE........1<-------- does currently not exist
MXBLACK...450
MXBROWN...150
MXCLEAR...300
MXRED......12
PH7BIT......6<-------- my plate-design
PHANSI.....12<--------normal plate design
PHANSIWIN...5<--------lame (==assymmetric bottom row) plate design
PHANTOM....24<----------This is the PCB!
PHISO.......2
PHISOWIN....1
SOLDERING...3
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« Reply #97 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 09:32:10 »
Any info for the the MX dark blue, green and grey switch?

So what I've gather for them:

Green: click, Actuation Force 65cN, Peak Force 80cN, used for space bar in Cherry keyboards with blues

Light Grey (grey 39): tactile, Actuation Force 80cN, used for space bar in Cherry Corp keyboards with clears and browns

Dark Grey (grey 37): linear, Actuation Force 80cN, used for space bar in Cherry Corp keyboards with blacks

Dark Blue: Sixty's reports that its linear but that's all I could find.


Green and grey are some heavy switches ;(
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« Reply #98 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 11:00:54 »
Are the ANSI winless kits with blue switches available?
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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 05 November 2011, 13:04:52 »
I am interested in this project but would definitely need a case. How is that coming along and what are we looking at as  the prospective case?