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« Reply #350 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:54:55 »
If we got the permission from this 'Korean dude' to reuse their molds, SP shouldn't charge fees again for molds made already. They box molds for at least awhile in case another order might be made with them. I know they still had my original Poker molds from months ago when I was preparing round2. If we would have used them again, there wouldn't have been any other fees involved.

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« Reply #351 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:59:20 »
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If we got the permission from this 'Korean dude' to reuse their molds, SP shouldn't charge fees again for molds made already. They box molds for at least awhile in case another order might be made with them. I know they still had my original Poker molds from months ago when I was preparing round2. If we would have used them again, there wouldn't have been any other fees involved.

We don't have permission, I asked
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« Reply #352 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:11:14 »
it sounds like we can assume about a thousand in legend fees + proofing costs. anyone want to revisit my idea of stocking and making marginal profit on geekhack keys?

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« Reply #353 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:34:01 »
Set up a sticky thread and have the total amount at the top. Then allow GH members to pledge an amount, say $5-10 to start.

Show who is pledging and what amount with some kind of chart to monitor progress.

When enough pledges have been made to reach the goal, start sending out PMs/invoices to collect the full amount instead of accruing it over time.

With the first full set produced, have a certificate with all contributors and a one time mod kit or special key added in.
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« Reply #354 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:42:09 »
Kickstarter!
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« Reply #355 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:48:39 »
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Kickstarter!


Yes. A MILLION TIMES yes. Just think... GB via kickstarter would solve so many problems / relieve so many GB-related headaches...
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« Reply #356 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:49:36 »
kickstart is supposed to be for creative works, and not consumer products... i'm not crazy about using them for these sorts of things

unlike most creative works, we have a perfectly reasonable revenue source to fund this. i like tsangan's original idea, just piggyback the fees on some gbs

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« Reply #357 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:50:41 »
I saw just saying this is what kickstarter is lol

I'm not saying to use it
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« Reply #358 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:51:22 »
Wait Tsangan, did you ask Melissa or OTD? Why wouldn't they give SP permission for us to use it???

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« Reply #359 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:51:39 »
I'd think that limited edition keycap sets could sneak in as creative works.
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« Reply #360 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:52:47 »
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I saw just saying this is what kickstarter is lol

I'm not saying to use it
lol ok

anyway let's do it. cream cheese surcharge sir. WHAR DAT ORDER THREAD

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I'd think that limited edition keycap sets could sneak in as creative works.
a replica of someone else's font is not a creative work :P

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« Reply #361 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:58:52 »
I don't think adding a fee into group buys is a good idea. The way group buys go and the whole convoluted confusion of what fee is getting contributed and when sounds like an inevitable charlie foxtrot.
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« Reply #362 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:00:52 »
have you read my rant on the economics of group buys yet? people here are generous and want cool ****. i think it'll be fine.

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« Reply #363 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:03:32 »
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We don't have permission, I asked


Is there any reason to refuse this? Ok, they paid a lot, but making us pay the whole thing again?
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« Reply #364 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:05:03 »
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Wait Tsangan, did you ask Melissa or OTD? Why wouldn't they give SP permission for us to use it???

They were done by someone on kbdmania. SP will let us use it if we have written permission from the owners of the legends if not we can pay the legend fees and then we can use it. We just don't have the permission from the person that made the legends so basically kbdmania.
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« Reply #365 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:05:29 »
maybe because kbdmania spent a lot of money on the legends?

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« Reply #366 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:07:05 »
We could pay a share, just saying.

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« Reply #367 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:07:08 »
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Is there any reason to refuse this?

Maybe because they wouldn't have been compensated for the time and money they put into it?
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« Reply #368 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:10:22 »
Paying money for something you know you're going to actually get your hands on is one thing.

Donating money for some tentative project with no known deadline or outcome will not motivate enough people.

I think I specific pledge drive to get it done with visual feedback of the projects progress will actually work and we'll see this turn from a nebulous phantom into an actual reality.
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« Reply #369 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:11:52 »
If i remember correctly I offered some sort of compensation for it like $200 for legend fees instead of the $860 SP would have charged us :noidea:
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« Reply #370 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:14:34 »
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I don't think adding a fee into group buys is a good idea. The way group buys go and the whole convoluted confusion of what fee is getting contributed and when sounds like an inevitable charlie foxtrot.

Quote from: Nighted;538036
Paying money for something you know you're going to actually get your hands on is one thing.

Donating money for some tentative project with no known deadline or outcome will not motivate enough people.

I think I specific pledge drive to get it done with visual feedback of the projects progress will actually work and we'll see this turn from a nebulous phantom into an actual reality.

You have a better idea?  If so, share it.

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« Reply #371 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:23:07 »
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You have a better idea?  If so, share it.

I already did! You scrolled past it I suppose.
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« Reply #372 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:27:38 »
Wait why not post on kbdmania ask permission and sell to others there that missed out?

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« Reply #373 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:42:45 »
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If i remember correctly I offered some sort of compensation for it like $200 for legend fees instead of the $860 SP would have charged us :noidea:


I don't get it. I'd gladly take the money. You could even make a deal that it requires another GB paying another 200$ (so that it's 50:50 in the end, more than fair) until they're open for public use.

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« Reply #374 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 14:44:08 »
well they're his (meaning kbdmania's) legends, so he can do what he wants with them...

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« Reply #375 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:22:27 »
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Set up a sticky thread and have the total amount at the top. Then allow GH members to pledge an amount, say $5-10 to start.

Show who is pledging and what amount with some kind of chart to monitor progress.

When enough pledges have been made to reach the goal, start sending out PMs/invoices to collect the full amount instead of accruing it over time.

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I did miss it.  Anyhow I don't think that your idea and my idea are mutually exclusive.  If you want to run with that, please do.  And we can have a friendly competition on which method is going to raise more money.

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« Reply #376 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:27:00 »
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I did miss it.  Anyhow I don't think that your idea and my idea are mutually exclusive.  If you want to run with that, please do.  And we can have a friendly competition on which method is going to raise more money.

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« Reply #377 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:34:57 »
tsangan, you've been in contact with the owner(s) of the legends on kbdmania, and offered them money, and they refused?  Jerks.  Do we have any pictures of how the legends look?

Who wants to be point person on this?  Talk to Melissa to verify the total cost, accept the funds, etc.?  Also we should get started on SVGs.  I'm currently working on Backspace, Enter, Tab, and Backslash/Pipe for the R3 moogle buy.  Depending on how fast and nice they turn out, I might be willing to take the rest on.  And there's also cycloverid and hazeluff who are known quality legend-makers.

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« Reply #378 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:47:25 »
Well their legends aren't even Cherry legends, someone just brought up using their custom font so I was just saying why we can't that's all. I would rather prefer a Cherry replica anyways if I had to choose what to spend money on
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« Reply #379 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:18:11 »
How about a pledge drive where individuals could donate money for specific keys?
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« Reply #380 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:22:35 »
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How about a pledge drive where individuals could donate money for specific keys?

Whiskers will donate to the "L" key
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« Reply #381 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:27:02 »
The pledge idea is cool, especially if each person can put it "towards" a certain key.  Kind of silly, but then they can call it their own if they cover the whole fee...put it in their sig, etc.

As to the GB surcharge, why not make it voluntary?  The way my brain works, it's easier to impulse-buy something small when I am already paying for something else (like when I bought a crapload of colored keys from Unicomp when all I really needed was a couple of springs).  "Your already paying for shipping," it says to me.
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« Reply #382 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:36:46 »
Somone find some pictures of KBDmania's GB


edit: also I highly doubt that SP charged them nearly as much as they are charging now to make new legends, Melissa told me they had to raise the price because it took significantly more work than they thought it would... AKA they just wanted more money after R3's buy.

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« Reply #383 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:47:28 »
Adopt a keycap!  I will adopt the Esc key.

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« Reply #384 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 16:48:18 »
My opinion is that the hassle isn't worth it if KBDMania aren't even having Cherry Replicas.
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« Reply #385 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 17:04:32 »
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Adopt a keycap!

Yes, yes, yes!!! Now we're getting somewhere! Great concept.

If it does indeed go this way I'll take the "R" key because I am a chronic reloader in FPS games. lol
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« Reply #386 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 17:30:42 »
fine fine... I'll take "Delete"!

Litster, start a thread for this?

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« Reply #387 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 17:32:04 »
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Somone find some pictures of KBDmania's GB


edit: also I highly doubt that SP charged them nearly as much as they are charging now to make new legends, Melissa told me they had to raise the price because it took significantly more work than they thought it would... AKA they just wanted more money after R3's buy.

They charged them $10 per legend 86 legends total, refer to cream cheese and green thread there's a picture there
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« Reply #388 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 17:45:04 »
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fine fine... I'll take "Delete"!

Litster, start a thread for this?

Where should this adopt a Cherry keycap thread should live?
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« Reply #389 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:01:40 »
Group buys, I'd say.

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« Reply #390 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:02:24 »
Tsangan just reminded me that hashbaz already has the Esc key done.  I will take number 3 and number 8.

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« Reply #391 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:04:49 »
F and J are mine!
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« Reply #392 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:17:44 »
So are we adopting to pay, or adopting to make the SVG legend?
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« Reply #393 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:34:32 »
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So are we adopting to pay, or adopting to make the SVG legend?

Adopting to pay.  The legends need to be as uniform as possible, best done by one or two people.

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« Reply #394 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 18:41:31 »
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« Reply #396 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 23:00:48 »
If you have checked out the new adopt a cherry legend thread, you should.  Already 5 pages.  And over 54 keys out of 100 have been adopted!

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« Reply #397 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 00:38:33 »
Crazy thought...how much more of a jump would it be to have new molds done? Thicker molds, more like original Cherry keys, for the ultimate Cherry replica. ;)
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« Reply #398 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 00:44:09 »
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Crazy thought...how much more of a jump would it be to have new molds done? Thicker molds, more like original Cherry keys, for the ultimate Cherry replica. ;)

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« Reply #399 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 06:17:42 »
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Crazy thought...how much more of a jump would it be to have new molds done? Thicker molds, more like original Cherry keys, for the ultimate Cherry replica. ;)

$45 per i would say. It would incolve the svg not being a line (which is what SP uses for fonts). It would be essentially an "image" for the ldgend, like the images for novelty keys.
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