Author Topic: Topre sliders, MX caps (Read 90013 times)

Matt3o · « **on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:01:00 »

Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!

If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself

bueller · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:12:42 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:01:00

Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!

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If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D

What are you, a witch or something?!?!?

Nice work mate, I would be willing to put down money to make a mold and get these things made. I wonder if SP could help us?

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:28:52 »

Quote from: bueller on Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:12:42

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 06:01:00
Here they are. It took me some time to refine them and they still need some very small updates... but THEY WORK!

Show Image

If I can find a way to mass produce we could set up a group buy, otherwise I will simply mold them in epoxy resin and take them for myself :D

What are you, a witch or something?!?!?

Nice work mate, I would be willing to put down money to make a mold and get these things made. I wonder if SP could help us?

I'm thinking that would be a 10's of thousands investment.

But these are definitely on my want list!

Matt3o · « **Reply #3 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:00:39 »

yeah I think SP could work on the mold... and being so small it wouldn't cost that much.

only problem so far is that to remove the original slider you have to break the small "talon" on the barrel. I'm studying a non-destructive solution.

dustinhxc · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:04:28 »

Cool! I've removed all mine before to do the dental mod. I'd love at least one of these for the Esc.

Matt3o · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:11:13 »

of course we also need the stab slider, I have to design it yet, but the 1u is very promising

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:26:32 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:00:39

yeah I think SP could work on the mold... and being so small it wouldn't cost that much.

only problem so far is that to remove the original slider you have to break the small "talon" on the barrel. I'm studying a non-destructive solution.

I've only removed sliders from the HHKB and I didn't notice anything breaking.

Matt3o · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:42:34 »

you can see it here

there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.

CPTBadAss · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:43:47 »

Matt30 you're a magician. This is awesome and I usually not even into Topre

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redskull · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:55:44 »

this will be quite a game changer Matt3o.

Matt3o · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 11:51:50 »

just a heads-up for all those topre lovers... most topre keyboards have a 6u spacebar which is not very common... guess why I'm running the Skull Squadron set that includes a 6u spacebar? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54334.0

Wildcard · « **Reply #11 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:00:45 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 11:51:50

just a heads-up for all those topre lovers... most topre keyboards have a 6u spacebar which is not very common... guess why I'm running the Skull Squadron set that includes a 6u spacebar? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54334.0

Matt3o = Part Time Magician!

Halverson · « **Reply #12 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:13:10 »

Beautiful! Would love a few of these to toss on my hhkbs! If you ever need a tester

Matt3o · « **Reply #13 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:35:16 »

ladies and gents...

I'm a bit wet now...

The_Beast · « **Reply #14 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:09 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:00:39

yeah I think SP could work on the mold... and being so small it wouldn't cost that much.

only problem so far is that to remove the original slider you have to break the small "talon" on the barrel. I'm studying a non-destructive solution.

Molds are expensive, no matter the size.....

How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....

osi · « **Reply #15 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:37 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:35:16

ladies and gents...

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I'm a bit wet now...

Wizard

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #16 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:38:03 »

damorgue · « **Reply #17 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:39:24 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:09

How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....

They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.

The_Beast · « **Reply #18 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:40:46 »

Quote from: damorgue on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:39:24

Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:09
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....

They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.

Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.

damorgue · « **Reply #19 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:48:03 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:40:46

Quote from: damorgue on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:39:24
Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:09
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....

They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.

Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.

aka FDM printers. There are better technologies and brands out there

Sadly, in order to make these truly affordable molds will have to be made. The upside is that the fixed costs in the mold can be spread on what I assume could be hundreds of sets á 100pcs/set. Cooler Master won't be very happy though.

Matt3o · « **Reply #20 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:49:12 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:40:46

Quote from: damorgue on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:39:24
Quote from: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:37:09
How are you making these now? They look like really nicely 3d printed parts, but they could also be a mold....

They are 3D printed in what Shapeways call Ultra Frosted Detail I believe.

Wow, they look REALLY good. I just must be used to 3d printers with really low resolution/prototype speeds.

Shapeways has this material called Frosted Ultra Detail, it's the only one you can use with the topre slider. When I opened the box this morning I was completely blown away. Really impressive quality but it also costs x5 compared to any other material.

Consider that my first try done with a standard material (also rated high quality) was a complete disaster, so I wasn't sure it was going to work.

Anyway the model has still some very little errors, as soon as it's 100% perfect I have no problems at releasing the 3D model.

dustinhxc · « **Reply #21 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 14:08:27 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:42:34

you can see it here

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there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.

I didn't notice those in my HHKB.

I've used shapeways before. You should just upload it there when you finish it and I'd love to order through them again!

Matt3o · « **Reply #22 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 16:33:57 »

Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 18 February 2014, 14:08:27

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:42:34
you can see it here

Show Image

there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.

I didn't notice those in my HHKB.

I've used shapeways before. You should just upload it there when you finish it and I'd love to order through them again!

the dent is totally unneeded, as I said I believe it's something that they use during manufacturing (probably for plate mounted topres, since HHKB seems not to have it).

Moosecraft · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 16:35:36 »

Just take my money and get this over with

Photekq · « **Reply #24 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 16:36:35 »

Amazing matt3o!

kelske · « **Reply #25 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 17:38:23 »

Dude! awesome work!

Can I just buy one off you? $10!

Halverson · « **Reply #26 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 18:04:55 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 16:33:57

Quote from: dustinhxc on Tue, 18 February 2014, 14:08:27
Quote from: Matt3o on Tue, 18 February 2014, 07:42:34
you can see it here

Show Image

there's a small dent you have to cut to remove the slider. It's totally safe to remove it, its only purpose is to prevent the slider to slip away when you open the keyboard. Once the keyboard is closed it has no functionality. I believe it's something needed during the manufacturing process.

I didn't notice those in my HHKB.

I've used shapeways before. You should just upload it there when you finish it and I'd love to order through them again!

the dent is totally unneeded, as I said I believe it's something that they use during manufacturing (probably for plate mounted topres, since HHKB seems not to have it).

I recently modded an hhkb pro 1 with 30g silent, and both boards had the bump on the stem. Felt horrible everytime I popped the stems out :(
Even after the fact, the bumps are still big enough to hold the stems in though....just easier to pop out again.

BunnyLake · « **Reply #27 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 18:18:25 »

i literally have money to throw at this to get it off the ground if you need it

feel free to pm me if there is anything i can contribute to get this moving

AKIMbO · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 19:13:32 »

Do want. These are awesome.

Photekq · « **Reply #29 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 19:22:46 »

We're one step away from this. We just need to work out the stabilisers.

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #30 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 20:18:46 »

Stabilizers are overrated

Zeal · « **Reply #31 on:** Tue, 18 February 2014, 20:25:36 »

Oooh...Wonder if we'll see Matt3o's completed design before the Novatouch.

Matt3o · « **Reply #32 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 00:43:02 »

Quote from: kelske on Tue, 18 February 2014, 17:38:23

Dude! awesome work!

Can I just buy one off you? $10!

I can't sell those yet but if you really want prototypes can be bought at around $5, but you should probably wait for the "production" samples.

Quote from: BunnyLake on Tue, 18 February 2014, 18:18:25

i literally have money to throw at this to get it off the ground if you need it

feel free to pm me if there is anything i can contribute to get this moving

PM'ing

Quote from: Zeal on Tue, 18 February 2014, 20:25:36

Oooh...Wonder if we'll see Matt3o's completed design before the Novatouch.

NovaTouch will be available in May/June. My final proto will be ready next week. I just have to find a way to produce them at a reasonable price. There's a company near here that makes fishing hooks. They can make the mold and cast in ABS (or even PBT). Last time I checked the mold was around 1000 euros, I'll let you know.

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 18 February 2014, 20:18:46

Stabilizers are overrated

We have to cover a full Realforce... haven't we?

Oobly · « **Reply #33 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 04:16:10 »

Hmmm... An HHKB Pro 2 with the GH60 nostalgia set... Drool...

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #34 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 08:15:57 »

Nice, and WANT!

LONGZILLA · « **Reply #35 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 09:12:33 »

Woah, guess I have no reason not to get a HHKB now

Binge · « **Reply #36 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 09:20:06 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 19 February 2014, 00:43:02

NovaTouch will be available in May/June. My final proto will be ready next week. I just have to find a way to produce them at a reasonable price. There's a company near here that makes fishing hooks. They can make the mold and cast in ABS (or even PBT). Last time I checked the mold was around 1000 euros, I'll let you know.

Any chance they can cast in POM???

Wildcard · « **Reply #37 on:** Wed, 19 February 2014, 09:20:14 »

luminor · « **Reply #38 on:** Fri, 21 February 2014, 13:31:57 »

i'm so thrilled with your project, hopefully you can make it available for all of us, epic!!!

rowdy · « **Reply #39 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03 »

Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

Michael · « **Reply #40 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:42:00 »

Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03

Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

Wouldn't CM be stepping on IP toes by combining both designs from 2 different companies if not licensed?

rowdy · « **Reply #41 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:47:56 »

Quote from: Bro Caps on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:42:00

Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

Wouldn't CM be stepping on IP toes by combining both designs from 2 different companies if not licensed?

They might have licenced whatever they need to, what with being a big company who have been designing this probably for months.

Matt3o · « **Reply #42 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:53:16 »

Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03

Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

CM is not the only company working on that slider. Noppoo is also working on it and actually they already released a couple of prototypes.

Other than that... do you believe that CM would destroy its reputation by suing a community-not-for-profit project targeted to people who already have a topre keyboard? don't think so.

PS: btw, I've also asked to an EU CM representative

rowdy · « **Reply #43 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:13:57 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:53:16

CM is not the only company working on that slider. Noppoo is also working on it and actually they already released a couple of prototypes.

Other than that... do you believe that CM would destroy its reputation by suing a community-not-for-profit project targeted to people who already have a topre keyboard? don't think so.

PS: btw, I've also asked to an EU CM representative

This is a great idea, and I'd hate to see it fail because of some stupid IP or patent or something.

dustinhxc · « **Reply #44 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:20:34 »

I took the sliders out of my Realforce 87Us this weekend no problem. I'd love to get one of these for my Esc. PS You don't have to cut them. I used the bottom of my plastic PS3 Controller screwdriver. It pushed the sliders right out of the housings without ruining them.

Matt3o · « **Reply #45 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:25:09 »

Quote from: dustinhxc on Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:20:34

I took the sliders out of my Realforce 87Us this weekend no problem. I'd love to get one of these for my Esc. PS You don't have to cut them. I used the bottom of my plastic PS3 Controller screwdriver. It pushed the sliders right out of the housings without ruining them.

more info/pictures/video needed

I tried with a plastic screwdriver but it really didn't work out for me.

damorgue · « **Reply #46 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:59:39 »

Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03

Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

They can't as I have posted about my attempts at this years back. Since there is prior material on the idea, it is fairly easy to void any such patent should they attempt it.

RESPRiT · « **Reply #47 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 06:19:17 »

Oh my God the future is now. I'm even more glad I recently bought a HHKB.

Matt3o · « **Reply #48 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 06:28:27 »

Quote from: damorgue on Sat, 22 February 2014, 05:59:39

They can't as I have posted about my attempts at this years back. Since there is prior material on the idea, it is fairly easy to void any such patent should they attempt it.

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HPE1000 · « **Reply #49 on:** Sat, 22 February 2014, 09:56:40 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:53:16

Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 22 February 2014, 04:36:03
Just as long as you are not treading on anyone's IP toes with this.

CM might have patented this slider design for the Novatouch.

CM is not the only company working on that slider. Noppoo is also working on it and actually they already released a couple of prototypes.

Other than that... do you believe that CM would destroy its reputation by suing a community-not-for-profit project targeted to people who already have a topre keyboard? don't think so.

PS: btw, I've also asked to an EU CM representative

Wasn't that noppoo keyboard the one people took the sliders off of and put them in their topre keyboards?

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Author Topic: Topre sliders, MX caps (Read 90013 times)