Classifieds Requirements

[PublicAnarchism]

Hello, I am Public Anarchism and I am in a pickle right now.
There are MOD EDIT: TWO PICKLES, LIGHTLY SALTED in front of me waiting to be listed in the classfied section. But, I do not have 60 Posts yet. MOD EDIT: SO INSTEAD OF INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY I WILL USE MY POSTS TO COMPLAIN
To achieve 60 posts, I would either have to spam many posts daily, or write high quality posts throughout a duration of >2 Months.
Sadly, I would have to wait for that long, just to sell and trade my keyboards.
MOD EDIT: this one is just for personal satisfaction
I suggest that the requirement be changed to something other than post counts as that is an illegitimate method of testing someones eligibility.

[tjcaustin]

Guess you won't be selling them here then?

The upcoming change is 25 posts.  And 2 months of membership.

[Techno Trousers]

An illegitimate test of eligibility? Nice reuse of a common word root. How about chillin' for a little while and making some quality posts that improve the site? Those two keyboards will still be there to sell in a few weeks. Otherwise, eBay has no post requirements.

[metalliqaz]

You can list them on eBay.

[nubbinator]

You can list them on eBay.

Exactly.  And that adds more protection for the buyers than GH does.  I know I'm always wary of spending more than $30 on something from a brand spanking new user. 

So complain all you want, but it's a pretty standard type practice you see on many sites.

[hashbaz]

There is also http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket

[Pacifist]

There is also http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket

good joke

And it looks like OP already goes on there

[hashbaz]

I actually don't know anything about it ... is it a joke?

[Sifo]

I actually don't know anything about it ... is it a joke?

http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/235dpr/wtt_ducky_shine_3_white_poker_2_w_mechs/

Jokes on you hash

[nubbinator]

Well, no one ever really goes there and it's hard to sell things there.  Also, /u/ripster likes to point people there instead of more, how shall we put it, active venues like GH or DT Classifieds.

[hashbaz]

I actually don't know anything about it ... is it a joke?

http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/235dpr/wtt_ducky_shine_3_white_poker_2_w_mechs/

Jokes on you hash

wp, OP.  wp.

[mkawa]

attn: new users,

moderation team has heard this complaint every few minutes for the last 2 years. the response has been to make the bar for business transactions increasingly higher, not lower. this is a community, not a convention where you learn to make money from home by flipping houses.

but what if i told you.. that you could stop complaining about this, and just meet the bars set by the community for business interactions!?!? in some ways they are a litmus test for distinguishing between those who can and can't follow the simple rules of trading money for goods.

if you would like to trade money for goods with no community interaction, then, as hashbaz said, there are plenty of places on the internet that either cost significant money (ebay) or time (craigslist) to do so. these are not our places on the internet and we do not donate significant time, effort and often money to maintain those sites. please feel free to use them to do whatever non-community-oriented thing that you would like to do.

in the meantime, we will quorum and institute simple rules that help us maintain a positive, educational and high signal to noise ratio community of makers, members, and other flavors of geek, and those who plan to stay here will follow them.

thanks new users!

[PublicAnarchism]

Ebay does not work for this current situation as I am looking to trade not sell. But, I see you guy's have disrespect towards those who post a legitimate  concern about a rule at GeekHack.

[SpAmRaY]

Ebay does not work for this current situation as I am looking to trade not sell. But, I see you guy's have disrespect towards those who post a legitimate  concern about a rule at GeekHack.

Perhaps it was edited out or my reading comprehension sucks but where did you put your better idea for how entry into the classifieds should be gauged?

And the point being made is this is a community not just a marketplace.

[jdcarpe]

attn: new users,

moderation team has heard this complaint every few minutes for the last 2 years. the response has been to make the bar for business transactions increasingly higher, not lower. this is a community, not a convention where you learn to make money from home by flipping houses.

but what if i told you.. that you could stop complaining about this, and just meet the bars set by the community for business interactions!?!? in some ways they are a litmus test for distinguishing between those who can and can't follow the simple rules of trading money for goods.

if you would like to trade money for goods with no community interaction, then, as hashbaz said, there are plenty of places on the internet that either cost significant money (ebay) or time (craigslist) to do so. these are not our places on the internet and we do not donate significant time, effort and often money to maintain those sites. please feel free to use them to do whatever non-community-oriented thing that you would like to do.

in the meantime, we will quorum and institute simple rules that help us maintain a positive, educational and high signal to noise ratio community of makers, members, and other flavors of geek, and those who plan to stay here will follow them.

thanks new users!

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[demik]

I agree with op. These rules are stupid.

[nubbinator]

Ebay does not work for this current situation as I am looking to trade not sell. But, I see you guy's have disrespect towards those who post a legitimate  concern about a rule at GeekHack.

You stated trade or sell, not trade only.

And you did not voice a legitimate concern, you complained that Geekhack is a community that requires participation to buy and sell in and isn't a site like eBay or Craigslist.  The rule is there for a reason.  Asking the logic behind the rule is much better than *****ing about it.

[tjcaustin]

Disrespect? Concern? This community has been here a lot longer than you, and the members who have been here for any amount of time have all agreed that it's definitely not a concern, even going as far as to modify the rules to extend the time being a forum member before posting things for sale.

It's you that has the disrespect. You think you can just waltz in here and take this place over on your first day? As others have said, this isn't a flea shop. It's a community. The classifieds are a privilege of being a community member, not for you to come in, drop your ****, and bounce. 

In other words, way to try to live up to your handle but no one's buying what you're selling.

[Sifo]

Disrespect? Concern? This community has been here a lot longer than you, and the members who have been here for any amount of time have all agreed that it's definitely not a concern, even going as far as to modify the rules to extend the time being a forum member before posting things for sale.

It's you that has the disrespect. You think you can just waltz in here and take this place over on your first day? As others have said, this isn't a flea shop. It's a community. The classifieds are a privilege of being a community member, not for you to come in, drop your ****, and bounce. 

In other words, way to try to live up to your handle but no one's buying what you're selling.

Thanks nitsuacjt

[rowdy]

attn: new users,

moderation team has heard this complaint every few minutes for the last 2 years. the response has been to make the bar for business transactions increasingly higher, not lower. this is a community, not a convention where you learn to make money from home by flipping houses.

but what if i told you.. that you could stop complaining about this, and just meet the bars set by the community for business interactions!?!? in some ways they are a litmus test for distinguishing between those who can and can't follow the simple rules of trading money for goods.

if you would like to trade money for goods with no community interaction, then, as hashbaz said, there are plenty of places on the internet that either cost significant money (ebay) or time (craigslist) to do so. these are not our places on the internet and we do not donate significant time, effort and often money to maintain those sites. please feel free to use them to do whatever non-community-oriented thing that you would like to do.

in the meantime, we will quorum and institute simple rules that help us maintain a positive, educational and high signal to noise ratio community of makers, members, and other flavors of geek, and those who plan to stay here will follow them.

thanks new users!

The Following Users Say Thank You to mkawa For This Useful Post:
jdcarpe

rowdy

[pbtforever]

Guess you won't be selling them here then?

The upcoming change is 25 posts.  And 2 months of membership.

When is this happening?

[CommunistWitchDr]

I actually agree with some of what OP is saying. (And also the edit's of his post besides the removal of the items being sold is a disgusting strawman). 60 posts really is an "illegitimate method of testing someones eligibility." A pure post requirement would have to either have to be much higher or on a case by case basis from the quality of that particular user's posts. Feedback, either from buying items on this site or from buying and selling on other sites like Heatware, would be a better way to judge if a seller is more likely reliable IMO.

[keymaster]

Hello, I am Public Anarchism and I am in a pickle right now.
MOD EDIT: TWO PICKLES, LIGHTLY SALTED

[mkawa]

strawman? i think petty indulgence is the word you're looking for

sorry, but i literally get PMs like this constantly, and they are almost always these long walls of text that have me thinking "if only you put this much effort into being a member of the forum, you wouldn't have this complaint"

the marketplace is a privilege of membership that we expect you to take seriously, not a god-given right. we institute simple rules so that the staff is not overextended even further than they already are trying to figure out who is or is not worthy of participating in the markplace.

When is this happening?

the time-based membership change requires code support, and we're technically in code freeze, so not all that soon. in the meantime, mod team has considered raising the post count requirements to 100 or more. we see too many people spamming their way up, which is really really not something we want. it decreases the signal to noise ratio and is exactly counter to our goals above.

[CommunistWitchDr]

strawman? i think petty indulgence is the word you're looking for

sorry, but i literally get PMs like this constantly, and they are almost always these long walls of text that have me thinking "if only you put this much effort into being a member of the forum, you wouldn't have this complaint"

the marketplace is a privilege of membership that we expect you to take seriously, not a god-given right. we institute simple rules so that the staff is not overextended even further than they already are trying to figure out who is or is not worthy of participating in the markplace.

When is this happening?

the time-based membership change requires code support, and we're technically in code freeze, so not all that soon. in the meantime, mod team has considered raising the post count requirements to 100 or more. we see too many people spamming their way up, which is really really not something we want. it decreases the signal to noise ratio and is exactly counter to our goals above.

"MOD EDIT: TWO PICKLES, LIGHTLY SALTED" and "MOD EDIT: this one is just for personal satisfaction" are just harmless jokes, but  "MOD EDIT: SO INSTEAD OF INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY I WILL USE MY POSTS TO COMPLAIN" is a bit of a strawman. Even if this person may just want to flip his items sooner, he does bring up a valid point; the posting requirements just end up encouraging spam. And raising that to 100, 200, or a thousand isn't going to do anything but encourage more spam. Once the coding freeze is over, something like checking for 5 or greater positive heatware feedback wouldn't really be possible to spam up to. Heatware feedback is by no means a perfect measure either, but I can't personally think of any way to measure community participation besides posting, which results in people spamming their way up.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

strawman? i think petty indulgence is the word you're looking for

sorry, but i literally get PMs like this constantly, and they are almost always these long walls of text that have me thinking "if only you put this much effort into being a member of the forum, you wouldn't have this complaint"

the marketplace is a privilege of membership that we expect you to take seriously, not a god-given right. we institute simple rules so that the staff is not overextended even further than they already are trying to figure out who is or is not worthy of participating in the markplace.

When is this happening?

the time-based membership change requires code support, and we're technically in code freeze, so not all that soon. in the meantime, mod team has considered raising the post count requirements to 100 or more. we see too many people spamming their way up, which is really really not something we want. it decreases the signal to noise ratio and is exactly counter to our goals above.

"MOD EDIT: TWO PICKLES, LIGHTLY SALTED" and "MOD EDIT: this one is just for personal satisfaction" are just harmless jokes, but  "MOD EDIT: SO INSTEAD OF INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY I WILL USE MY POSTS TO COMPLAIN" is a bit of a strawman. Even if this person may just want to flip his items sooner, he does bring up a valid point; the posting requirements just end up encouraging spam. And raising that to 100, 200, or a thousand isn't going to do anything but encourage more spam. Once the coding freeze is over, something like checking for 5 or greater positive heatware feedback wouldn't really be possible to spam up to. Heatware feedback is by no means a perfect measure either, but I can't personally think of any way to measure community participation besides posting, which results in people spamming their way up.

Good point.

In the long run, all that's gonna happen here is that we're gonna keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Increase the required post count = more people spamming their way to said post count. Decrease required post count = increase potential risk of scammers/profiteers.

Get people working on the code and get the 2-month requirement working as soon as it can be done. It's the best option at this point. (I'd offer to assist, but I can't really code).

And in the meantime, leave it the way it is. As CWDr said, increasing the post count (even temporarily) is only encouraging more spam.


OR there is option 3: remove the classifieds entirely. But then GH would essentially be useless, so I advise against this option.

[Puddsy]

Disrespect? Concern? This community has been here a lot longer than you, and the members who have been here for any amount of time have all agreed that it's definitely not a concern, even going as far as to modify the rules to extend the time being a forum member before posting things for sale.

It's you that has the disrespect. You think you can just waltz in here and take this place over on your first day? As others have said, this isn't a flea shop. It's a community. The classifieds are a privilege of being a community member, not for you to come in, drop your ****, and bounce. 

In other words, way to try to live up to your handle but no one's buying what you're selling.

Amen

Don't walk in like you own the place, it'll just get you slapped.

[esko997]

The whole reason I made an account here is because I wanted to start posting the in Classifieds. Making me wait however has given me chance to get to know the forum a bit and take part in the great content this site has. I dont think its such a bad thing, plus 60 posts goes by pretty fast.

Also, not sure if it helps at all but I do have a professional knowledge of Perl and database maintenance. Always available to help in that regard if those skills are relevant.

[PublicAnarchism]

Really easy to check for the 2 Months of account time. It is almost the same as checking for the post count for the 60 limit but instead you check if the account is longer for each user in the database.

[mkawa]

this is now how the smf backend works. permissions are based on a something called membergroups. membergroups also control things like stars, forum visibility and a number of other security and administration tasks as well as cosmetic UX stuff.

for some bizarre reason, the only field you can base automatic membergroup promotion on is post-count. the code that does this is actually some pretty gnarly spaghetti, because of the above, which is non-sensical, but there you go. feel free to push a patch into the smf trunk that fixes this, but in the meantime it's not our highest priority in our fork.

access to the classifieds is a privilege for members, not a right.

[sulonen]

Hello, I am Public Anarchism and I am in a pickle right now.
There are MOD EDIT: TWO PICKLES, LIGHTLY SALTED in front of me waiting to be listed in the classfied section. But, I do not have 60 Posts yet. MOD EDIT: SO INSTEAD OF INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY I WILL USE MY POSTS TO COMPLAIN

Ooooh! Lightly Salted Pickles! I want dis.

[mkawa]

pickles are a right, not a privilege.

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

pickles are a right, not a privilege.

the cheese that goes on the pickles, however, IS a privilege...

[tjcaustin]

We hold these rights to be self-evident: Life, liberty and the pursuit of pickles.

[Novus]

Now what kind of bear to go with dem pickles?

[tjcaustin]

Now what kind of bear to go with dem pickles?

The right to bear pickles is unalienable.  That's right, bear pickles.

[nubbinator]

Now what kind of bear to go with dem pickles?

The right to bear pickles is unalienable.  That's right, bear pickles.

Bear Pickles?

[AKIMbO]

Someone please run a GB for dysubbed pickle caps.