Protecting GH users from Bad Trades

[Lanx]

I know GH doesn't participate in any trades/sales that happen on GH, as it should be, however i think there can be rules that each member can take to at least try to protect themselves.

1. GH sets up a Gmail account that only the mods have access. (i.e. ghtrades@gmail.com) i particularly didn't choose to use the gh address just so it really has no association with GH.

2. before a trade, a member writes legibly on a piece of paper.
a. their user name
b. the item to be traded
c. the amount
d. the date
e. paypal email address (this is highly debatable, i don't think this should be included)

and then take a selfie, with a recent newspaper and/or the item to be traded.

almost everyone in the world has a phone with a camera, if you don't, you don't belong a website with "geek" in it, and everyone has access to a daily newspaper for a few cents.

they'll upload and send pic to
a. the person to trade with
b. to the mod only gmail account

once both parties have agreed that the correct amount of information is exchanged between themselves and the mod only gmail account, then they should proceed with the transaction.

if it works out well, then great GH doesn't get involved and they have emails in a gmail account.

if it doesn't work out... then the shunned party can post the pic they received and if gh wants to, they can verify or not.

and if either party doesn't do this... well don't come on complaining 2 months later... "i got scammed, yada, yada... with limited proof"

this is a spin on "proof of life"

it proves that the username, is a real person, has the item in question, has a real face, has a dated newspaper clipping, and has access to basic technology.

of course you can say... photoshop, different person blah blah look at the exif data then.

of course this sounds a bit complicated for a tiny trade... but if you were willing to trade off a $100 keyboard or 2... why not do this?

then of course, this can be used later

"OMG i'm in a terrible accident, i'll send the keyboard in 2 weeks"

well then upload a pic of you in a hospital gurney, we already know what the real person looks like since everyone took precautions before.

if you won't, then you're lying.

"OMG my grandmother died"... take a selfie near the casket! (well... you get the idea)

[SpAmRaY]

But the mods already have said they won't get involved.

But I do agree in regular classifieds it would be nice if people would post a note with their username and date, this is fairly common in most every other forum.

[Pacifist]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

[SpAmRaY]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

[rowdy]

If this was made mandatory, I think the Classifieds section would pretty much die.

And what about group buys?  There have been a couple of those where the organiser disappears with all the money.

When engaging in trade with someone you don't know, and especially in a different country, there are always risks.  Sometimes risks beyond the control of either party.

Scammers are usually identified fairly quickly around here.

[Pacifist]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

Then I'll just go to ebay to sell my **** and just deal with their fees.

[SpAmRaY]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

Then I'll just go to ebay to sell my **** and just deal with their fees.

Do you have your own Ebay account?

[Pacifist]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

Then I'll just go to ebay to sell my **** and just deal with their fees.

Do you have your own Ebay account?

yup

[SpAmRaY]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

Then I'll just go to ebay to sell my **** and just deal with their fees.

Do you have your own Ebay account?

yup

Interesting...so you basically lie to bypass the rules there??

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/identity-underage-users.html

[terrpn]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

have we had that many trades that have went south that something like this has to be installed?

just asking.........

i am one of the older gh'rs here and knowing that probably we have more gh'rs under 18 than over will be tough- easy to flub ur age

understand ur thinking though. i don't believe i have traded or purchased anything from somebody that is under 18?

do agree that with the amount of money, etc. that is being thrown around here something a little house keeping would not hurt, but we all buy and sell knowing the risk

i know when i first came here there was some gb's that went south and to my knowledge those people never recouped their items or funds

heck put up a wall of shame so others can see if it gets that bad........

i vote spamray sheriff........deputy dog

[SpAmRaY]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

have we had that many trades that have went south that something like this has to be installed?

just asking.........

i am one of the older gh'rs here and knowing that probably we have more gh'rs under 18 than over will be tough- easy to flub ur age

understand ur thinking though. i don't believe i have traded or purchased anything from somebody that is under 18?

do agree that with the amount of money, etc. that is being thrown around here something a little house keeping would not hurt, but we all buy and sell knowing the risk

i know when i first came here there was some gb's that went south and to my knowledge those people never recouped their items or funds

heck put up a wall of shame so others can see if it gets that bad........

i vote spamray sheriff........deputy dog

Hey are we old farts the minority for real?

[Photoelectric]

The moderators are here to moderate based on rules of conduct--we do not mediate any sales or trades, as stated  clearly in the Classifieds.  It sounds like what you really want is eBay.  eBay has strict rules as well as people paid by eBay to look through listings, codes that parse through listings for any inconsistencies, insurance, and a big team of lawyers.  You pay for all that by giving eBay some of your profit money as a Final Value Fee, but you get that security.  We are volunteers, people like you, with jobs and other tasks.  And frankly--even beyond us having to spend a lot of time checking some dedicated email and vetting photos and what not--that's too much legal responsibility, as we could end up being caught up in some dispute as involved parties--not any moderator or administrator's dream because someone didn't do their due diligence or didn't contact PayPal in time.

P.S.:  We are working on the new Classifieds Rules that will require some of what you listed.  Hopefully to be released soon.

[Pacifist]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

have we had that many trades that have went south that something like this has to be installed?

just asking.........

i am one of the older gh'rs here and knowing that probably we have more gh'rs under 18 than over will be tough- easy to flub ur age

understand ur thinking though. i don't believe i have traded or purchased anything from somebody that is under 18?

do agree that with the amount of money, etc. that is being thrown around here something a little house keeping would not hurt, but we all buy and sell knowing the risk

i know when i first came here there was some gb's that went south and to my knowledge those people never recouped their items or funds

heck put up a wall of shame so others can see if it gets that bad........

i vote spamray sheriff........deputy dog

I'm 16 and none of my sales have gone south. Every single one has been shipped the next day, and I have not yet had an unhappy buyer here on GH. I've even done a couple international ships and while they were a PITA, they all arrived at the person's doorstep.

[Lanx]

selfie was the most recent webster approved word added to the english language, hell my mom is almost 70 and she just took a selfie!

i wouldn't say this should be required, just that if one party is like "hey... i'mma gonna trade you my $100 keyboard for your $10 clickclack, which we both value at $100... let's go take some selfie pics, and follow these rules"

why not?

[Lanx]

P.S.:  We are working on the new Classifieds Rules that will require some of what you listed.  Hopefully to be released soon.

oh cool, i think the unaffiliated@gmail idea is cool, i came up with that while shoveling 8ft of snow and freeing my car!

[Photoelectric]

They do not include that idea for the reasons I listed above.

[Pacifist]

selfie was the most recent webster approved word added to the english language, hell my mom is almost 70 and she just took a selfie!

i wouldn't say this should be required, just that if one party is like "hey... i'mma gonna trade you my $100 keyboard for your $10 clickclack, which we both value at $100... let's go take some selfie pics, and follow these rules"

why not?

I shouldn't be forced to take a fing pic of myself and send it to someone just to sell a $3 doubleshot cap. I like the caveat empatour rule better, if you're willing to sell your board to someone that you don't fully trust, then don't. You don't have to sell it.

[HPE1000]

Best way to protect yourself? Only deal with trustworthy people, especially if a lot of money is on the line. Geekhack, just like any other tech site with a classifieds section, can't take responsibility.

Simple and plain, don't deal with someone you don't trust, especially in trades. Also, gifting money, don't do it unless you seriously trust the person. I don't think it's insulting to the seller if you want some sort of protection in the sale.

[Pacifist]

Best way to protect yourself? Only deal with trustworthy people, especially if a lot of money is on the line. Geekhack, just like any other tech site with a classifieds section, can't take responsibility.

Simple and plain, don't deal with someone you don't trust, especially in trades. Also, gifting money, don't do it unless you seriously trust the person. I don't think it's insulting to the seller if you want some sort of protection in the sale.

+1. My personal rule is if you have a small post count and/or haven't been here a while, its gift only. Too much risk unless its a gift. And when I buy stuff I don't mind losing, I pay by gift, but with stuff I know there's a chance of going south I do regular payment. But still, it doesn't reduce the risk to 0. Best option is only dealing with reptuable sellers.

[Belfong]

Thing is, how do you know if you can trust someone or not? I guess one way to look at it is post count or years in GH as a rule of thumb. But there could be someone like AvJab who was here long and had a good number of post who still scammed so I think the Wall of Shame is a good idea. Stickie a post in Classified as Wall of Shame and let people go there to research the seller/buyer and couple with their own judgement base on post count and years in GH.

[terrpn]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

have we had that many trades that have went south that something like this has to be installed?

just asking.........

i am one of the older gh'rs here and knowing that probably we have more gh'rs under 18 than over will be tough- easy to flub ur age

understand ur thinking though. i don't believe i have traded or purchased anything from somebody that is under 18?

do agree that with the amount of money, etc. that is being thrown around here something a little house keeping would not hurt, but we all buy and sell knowing the risk

i know when i first came here there was some gb's that went south and to my knowledge those people never recouped their items or funds

heck put up a wall of shame so others can see if it gets that bad........

i vote spamray sheriff........deputy dog

Hey are we old farts the minority for real?

sadly.............i believe we be the minority here

[Pacifist]

Thing is, how do you know if you can trust someone or not? I guess one way to look at it is post count or years in GH as a rule of thumb. But there could be someone like AvJab who was here long and had a good number of post who still scammed so I think the Wall of Shame is a good idea. Stickie a post in Classified as Wall of Shame and let people go there to research the seller/buyer and couple with their own judgement base on post count and years in GH.

yea. AvJab has been here a while, but he doesn't post that much. So I guess in those situations you should be wary. But wall of shame isn't neccessary, pretty sure in the replies there will be people warning others that the OP is a scammer.

[terrpn]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

have we had that many trades that have went south that something like this has to be installed?

just asking.........

i am one of the older gh'rs here and knowing that probably we have more gh'rs under 18 than over will be tough- easy to flub ur age

understand ur thinking though. i don't believe i have traded or purchased anything from somebody that is under 18?

do agree that with the amount of money, etc. that is being thrown around here something a little house keeping would not hurt, but we all buy and sell knowing the risk

i know when i first came here there was some gb's that went south and to my knowledge those people never recouped their items or funds

heck put up a wall of shame so others can see if it gets that bad........

i vote spamray sheriff........deputy dog

I'm 16 and none of my sales have gone south. Every single one has been shipped the next day, and I have not yet had an unhappy buyer here on GH. I've even done a couple international ships and while they were a PITA, they all arrived at the person's doorstep.

hand salute........that's what i'm talking 'bout

kudo's

[Lanx]

maybe not a wall of shame, but a section dedicated to "calling someone out"

the offended party will call out the other party and post relevant (non personal) information, and if that person hasn't responded in 7 days then that post will be left up there.

otherwise if that person has respond, then that post will be deleted.

[terrpn]

Best way to protect yourself? Only deal with trustworthy people, especially if a lot of money is on the line. Geekhack, just like any other tech site with a classifieds section, can't take responsibility.

Simple and plain, don't deal with someone you don't trust, especially in trades. Also, gifting money, don't do it unless you seriously trust the person. I don't think it's insulting to the seller if you want some sort of protection in the sale.

exactly

[terrpn]

maybe not a wall of shame, but a section dedicated to "calling someone out"

the offended party will call out the other party and post relevant (non personal) information, and if that person hasn't responded in 7 days then that post will be left up there.

otherwise if that person has respond, then that post will be deleted.

i like it.........

whatever we want to call it..........kind of like getting your picture hung in the post office for a while

.........or am i being to old and nobody knows what i am talking about?

[Lanx]

even young scammers will probably use a PO box, so i think you're good on being relevant.

[SpAmRaY]

maybe not a wall of shame, but a section dedicated to "calling someone out"

the offended party will call out the other party and post relevant (non personal) information, and if that person hasn't responded in 7 days then that post will be left up there.

otherwise if that person has respond, then that post will be deleted.

I was talking about something very similar to this with someone today.

I get PM'ed about crappy sellers all the time.

[dorkvader]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

Then I'll just go to ebay to sell my **** and just deal with their fees.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

To be honest, having open trades (like in the classifides forum) is a privelige. No-one is making (or even encouraging) it's use. Having good rules in place makes sense, and having an agreed-upon method for safe trades is always a good idea. Even if we don't (or can't) enforce such a restriction on trading, it is a good idea to have one.

We could even call it something short, so people can say things like: WTT crazy keycaps. OGHT (Original Geek Hack Trade) only, so people will know what it means.

[Lanx]

We could even call it something short, so people can say things like: WTT crazy keycaps. OGHT (Original Geek Hack Trade) only, so people will know what it means.

GHSP (GeekHack Selfie Protection)

[terrpn]

maybe not a wall of shame, but a section dedicated to "calling someone out"

the offended party will call out the other party and post relevant (non personal) information, and if that person hasn't responded in 7 days then that post will be left up there.

otherwise if that person has respond, then that post will be deleted.

I was talking about something very similar to this with someone today.

I get PM'ed about crappy sellers all the time.

since our moderators have another life and not to bear down on them with more responsibilities i don't see anything wrong with having a section that will help keep the weeds out that we all can be included in watching and police. if a deal goes bad somewhat like ebay to an extent warn the seller, buyer, trader, vender.........whatever that you are going to post him to the  whatever we call it thread for unpaid, not shipped, agreed to transaction, etc. and we can move on

there is something called common sense and i think this or something ilike it whatever or whoever decides is just common sense. we're not talking about any age limits, selfie (or whatever that is), timeouts and so on.

having some kind of a checks and balance for safe trades, transactions where money is involved will only create a favorable environment that will be equal for everybody

given that if you put in place a 7 day period (per lanx- as an example) for the person to respond might create a peyton place, but at least we can run him/her off first chance before they get to someone else

dorkvader is right in that it would be hard to enforce restrictions, etc., but having something, anything in place is better than nothing

hpe1000 is right............i am not to kean on gifting transactions unless the person is already established and been here a while, especially overseas transactions..........no pun intended

as far as moderators though............we could set up a special moderator where there territory would focus on exactly what we are talking about if the thread gets out of hand so as to not impose on the others, so they can lay the lumber.

there has to be someone- the queen bee if you will to keep all the workers going in the right direction

i don't expect everybody to agree, but we should be able to pick enough brains to get something working and in place for the benefit of the whole

i'm very fond of this forum and like spamray was saying am tired of hearing people get ripped off without at least some kind of consequence. a lot of our members here are young, in school, do not have a lot of cash and some kind of checks and balance needs to be placed and enforced

[Photoelectric]

It's not just about the time. It's about legal liability.  We do not get involved in other people's transactions for that reason.  The transactions are between the people trading stuff.  As previously mentioned, if you want protection, use other sites that offer it--and you usually pay for that protection.

[VesperSAINT]

I don't agree to this on the one basis that we have to take a selfie.

Well perhaps a rule that if your under 18 your parent has to co-sign on any deals/trades?

boom boom boom )

[SpAmRaY]

Actually right now I need protection from myself as I'm about to buy another topre board I don't need

[Jocelyn]

It's not just about the time. It's about legal liability.  We do not get involved in other people's transactions for that reason.  The transactions are between the people trading stuff.  As previously mentioned, if you want protection, use other sites that offer it--and you usually pay for that protection.

+1
Just trade with people who have heat /solved

Actually right now I need protection from myself as I'm about to buy another topre board I don't need

ROFL!!!

[demik]

i'll be the middle man for all trades.

just send all the stuff you want to trade to me.

i'll check it for authenticity, but be warned there is a 6 month waiting period.

BUT I AM LEGIT.

[SpAmRaY]

i'll be the middle man for all trades.

just send all the stuff you want to trade to me.

i'll check it for authenticity, but be warned there is a 6 month waiting period.**

BUT I AM LEGIT.

**meanwhile demik opens up an ebay store selling keyboard goods

[terrpn]

what legal liability are you referring to

alerting others in the forum that someone balked on them, so we know to stay away-- i do not understand the legal liability you are referring to-- i disagree

i do agree that the transaction is between the 2 parties involved, but we're all involved when we start getting ripped off

when we say people trading stuff...........its way MORE than that. some of these clacks sales are through the roof. i don't care what anybody says we have people that just show up for clacks and very little of anything else. i know a couple people over DT have been a little hard to find over there after receiving funds on item and not shipping yet.

the only protection that is being suggested is just alerting others that a particular party balked on them and if no moderators are involved we can police ourselves

heat is great, but that is in a perfect world

i would think something of this sort might be somewhat of an edge to keep people more honest?

[bueller]

what legal liability are you referring to

alerting others in the forum that someone balked on them, so we know to stay away-- i do not understand the legal liability you are referring to-- i disagree

i do agree that the transaction is between the 2 parties involved, but we're all involved when we start getting ripped off

when we say people trading stuff...........its way MORE than that. some of these clacks sales are through the roof. i don't care what anybody says we have people that just show up for clacks and very little of anything else. i know a couple people over DT have been a little hard to find over there after receiving funds on item and not shipping yet.

the only protection that is being suggested is just alerting others that a particular party balked on them and if no moderators are involved we can police ourselves

heat is great, but that is in a perfect world

i would think something of this sort might be somewhat of an edge to keep people more honest?

Seriously dude, the mods have said their piece. No amount of arguing is going to get them to start a blacklist.

[SpAmRaY]

what legal liability are you referring to

alerting others in the forum that someone balked on them, so we know to stay away-- i do not understand the legal liability you are referring to-- i disagree

i do agree that the transaction is between the 2 parties involved, but we're all involved when we start getting ripped off

when we say people trading stuff...........its way MORE than that. some of these clacks sales are through the roof. i don't care what anybody says we have people that just show up for clacks and very little of anything else. i know a couple people over DT have been a little hard to find over there after receiving funds on item and not shipping yet.

the only protection that is being suggested is just alerting others that a particular party balked on them and if no moderators are involved we can police ourselves

heat is great, but that is in a perfect world

i would think something of this sort might be somewhat of an edge to keep people more honest?

Seriously dude, the mods have said their piece. No amount of arguing is going to get them to start a blacklist.

That doesn't mean someone else can't start a thread that people can post if if they are having problems.

[bueller]

what legal liability are you referring to

alerting others in the forum that someone balked on them, so we know to stay away-- i do not understand the legal liability you are referring to-- i disagree

i do agree that the transaction is between the 2 parties involved, but we're all involved when we start getting ripped off

when we say people trading stuff...........its way MORE than that. some of these clacks sales are through the roof. i don't care what anybody says we have people that just show up for clacks and very little of anything else. i know a couple people over DT have been a little hard to find over there after receiving funds on item and not shipping yet.

the only protection that is being suggested is just alerting others that a particular party balked on them and if no moderators are involved we can police ourselves

heat is great, but that is in a perfect world

i would think something of this sort might be somewhat of an edge to keep people more honest?

Seriously dude, the mods have said their piece. No amount of arguing is going to get them to start a blacklist.

That doesn't mean someone else can't start a thread that people can post if if they are having problems.

I was under the impression they said they'd close it if someone did.

[SpAmRaY]

what legal liability are you referring to

alerting others in the forum that someone balked on them, so we know to stay away-- i do not understand the legal liability you are referring to-- i disagree

i do agree that the transaction is between the 2 parties involved, but we're all involved when we start getting ripped off

when we say people trading stuff...........its way MORE than that. some of these clacks sales are through the roof. i don't care what anybody says we have people that just show up for clacks and very little of anything else. i know a couple people over DT have been a little hard to find over there after receiving funds on item and not shipping yet.

the only protection that is being suggested is just alerting others that a particular party balked on them and if no moderators are involved we can police ourselves

heat is great, but that is in a perfect world

i would think something of this sort might be somewhat of an edge to keep people more honest?

Seriously dude, the mods have said their piece. No amount of arguing is going to get them to start a blacklist.

That doesn't mean someone else can't start a thread that people can post if if they are having problems.

I was under the impression they said they'd close it if someone did.

So long as personal info is left out and it doesn't digress into a hate fest is not against any rules.

[SpAmRaY]

Also I know group buys fall under the 'your on your own' category also but it seems like more and more group buys are not ending well.

Perhaps there could be some rules put in place in that area as well.

[Photoelectric]

After consulting someone who is an actual real life lawyer (teehee), I'd like to ask for no official or unofficial "scammer lists" hosted on GeekHack.org, please (this is also for the related thread that came up at the same time about a scammer).   Continue to exercise the "Caveat Emptor" clause and do your due diligence in researching the people you conduct trades with.  There are tools like heatware, eBay feedback you can request, etc.  If uncertain and can't afford to lose money--just don't deal with a person you are uncertain in.  Or buy from authorized resellers.

We will post the new Classifieds rules soon, and hopefully they will be to your liking.

[SpAmRaY]

After consulting someone who is an actual real life lawyer (teehee), I'd like to ask for no official or unofficial "scammer lists" hosted on GeekHack.org, please (this is also for the related thread that came up at the same time about a scammer).   Continue to exercise the "Caveat Emptor" clause and do your due diligence in researching the people you conduct trades with.  There are tools like heatware, eBay feedback you can request, etc.  If uncertain and can't afford to lose money--just don't deal with a person you are uncertain in.  Or buy from authorized resellers.

We will post the new Classifieds rules soon, and hopefully they will be to your liking.

Can individual users still post personal experiences in dealing with people? I mean, some people appear to be good members but are fairly deadbeat sellers, so it'd be nice if the people who deal with them and have a negative experience could at least express that to save the rest of us a headache.

[Photoelectric]

That seems reasonable to me, as long as it's that individual user posting their own personal experience about another user.

[Krogenar]

Scammers are usually identified fairly quickly around here.

True -- and the responsible, low-risk organizers are also easy to spot, if you check. Caveat emptor, baby.

I'm still in favor of a bare minimum PayPal authenticity check whilst making a very, very nominal donation to GH as an entrance to the Classifieds. Then at least the seller and buyer can be verified as each having a PayPal account, and PayPal can handle any disputes. Also, it would keep children out of the Classified section. GH makes a small improvement to security, risks nothing, and makes a little money to keep the hamster wheel that runs the server turning.

Taking selfies and compiling dossiers on users -- yeah, that's going to kill Classifieds. It's probably easier to just spam 60 posts.   

After consulting someone who is an actual real life lawyer (teehee),

Standard points:
1. Stay inside the circle. The lawyer can do whatever it wants once you're outside the circle.
2. Don't cross the streams.
3. Never let the lawyer know your true name; that gives them power over you.

[SpAmRaY]

Also, it would keep children out of the Classified section.

If they can lie and get an ebay account I'm sure they can lie/steal whatever to get a paypal account.

[Krogenar]

Also, it would keep children out of the Classified section.

If they can lie and get an ebay account I'm sure they can lie/steal whatever to get a paypal account.

Ok, I'll amend my statement and say it would be harder for children to get into Classifieds, but not impossible. They would have to be lying, cheating, stealing children to get into Classifieds. But doesn't PayPal have some controls for this, perhaps? When you sign up for a GH account, it's free. When you decide you want to use Classifieds, you must link your PayPal email to the account. Then, in the event of an issue, GH can at least provide the relevant emails to both parties.

EDIT: Or, require a heatware account, which seem to work. Maybe there's a paid service similar to heatware?

[SpAmRaY]

Also, it would keep children out of the Classified section.

If they can lie and get an ebay account I'm sure they can lie/steal whatever to get a paypal account.

Ok, I'll amend my statement and say it would be harder for children to get into Classifieds, but not impossible. They would have to be lying, cheating, stealing children to get into Classifieds. But doesn't PayPal have some controls for this, perhaps? When you sign up for a GH account, it's free. When you decide you want to use Classifieds, you must link your PayPal email to the account. Then, in the event of an issue, GH can at least provide the relevant emails to both parties.

EDIT: Or, require a heatware account, which seem to work. Maybe there's a paid service similar to heatware?

Problem with heatware is no one ever leaves feedback 

But new classified rules are coming, not holding my breath they will be any better but we will see.