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« Reply #150 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 05:56:33 »
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Implying the website being down for a day due to an uncommon hacking incident is significant justification to migrate it to your own website.  Nothing wrong with keeping it here lol.

It's not because of hacking the reason why Keyboardlover move this GB to his forum...it is because of Ripster since he banned him and deleted his account from GH and later he take fun of it at Deskthority.

Anyways I think it would be more difficult to find buyers for this GB if we move this to his forum. I would like to stay here since it would be easier, don't let "voldemort" to **** up things.

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« Reply #151 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 08:00:53 »
I was mainly concerned about possible future downtime (who knows what ill effects that whole debacle might have caused)...

...but ok, I agree it makes sense to keep it here.

BTW, the three extra blank keycaps are in. Here are the new prices:
30 sets          $96.58 / set
50 sets          $83.89 / set
100 sets        $77.55 / set

And here are the new pics from SP:



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« Reply #152 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 09:21:16 »
No up arrow for the Shifts?

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« Reply #153 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 09:22:27 »
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No up arrow for the Shifts?


There is, I just cropped it out of that second photo to show a closeup of the Win/Menu keys.
You can see it in the first photo.

Edit: oh sorry, I thought you meant the up arrow for the arrow keys. You're correct, there's no up arrow on the shift keys. I'll ask if they can add that.

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« Reply #154 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 09:24:06 »
No, I mean the arrow graphic that are ususally on the 2 Shift keys.

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« Reply #155 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 09:44:54 »
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No, I mean the arrow graphic that are ususally on the 2 Shift keys.


Yea I understand. I've asked them if they can do those, plus the arrow graphics on Enter, Backspace and Tab.

I'll let you know what they say...

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« Reply #156 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 12:21:35 »
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I was mainly concerned about possible future downtime (who knows what ill effects that whole debacle might have caused)...

...but ok, I agree it makes sense to keep it here.
You could do both, if you are concerned about future outages at this forum. Just have all the info in two posts (one at each forum). Unfortunately, you have to update both posts.
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I'm a little confused about the "blank keycaps" bit. Do me now get a few blanks in without 87-keycaps (thereby getting 90)? What "row" do they work with? I'm still fine either way, but I'm curious.

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« Reply #157 on: Sat, 08 October 2011, 12:46:09 »
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You could do both, if you are concerned about future outages at this forum. Just have all the info in two posts (one at each forum). Unfortunately, you have to update both posts.
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I'm a little confused about the "blank keycaps" bit. Do me now get a few blanks in without 87-keycaps (thereby getting 90)? What "row" do they work with? I'm still fine either way, but I'm curious.


Yea you'll get 90 keycaps, but 3 of them are blank PBT and they will be for replacing the 2 Windows keys and the Menu key.

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« Reply #158 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 09:59:09 »
*bump* need 11 moar orders!

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« Reply #159 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 12:25:59 »
I'm in for one set.

But why dyesub and not double shot?  I think these will look quite nice on a Poker, but white printings would be even better IMO.
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« Reply #160 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 12:29:00 »
I wanted to do Cherry dyesubs because nobody has done a group buy for them yet.

And 7bit's already handling doubleshots in Group Buy 4.

You're in! =)
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« Reply #161 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 13:17:59 »
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I wanted to do Cherry dyesubs because nobody has done a group buy for them yet.

So dyesub just for the heck?  Sorry, I'm not too deep into key caps and the dis/advantages of the different plastics and/or printing methods.  From what I know dyesub's supposedly not as long lasting as double shooting?
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« Reply #162 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 13:20:09 »
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So dyesub just for the heck?  Sorry, I'm not too deep into key caps and the dis/advantages of the different plastics and/or printing methods.  From what I know dyesub's supposedly not as long lasting as double shooting?


Pretty much. Dyesubs are considered to last very long. It is possible for them to wear (I think sixty has a pic of a worn one somewhere) but that's probably after a very long time of very heavy use. And even so, I don't think it's possible for the legend to completely wear off so much as discolor slightly. Sixty might be the better person to ask though.

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« Reply #163 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 14:29:40 »
I see.  I'm not worried about the legends wearing off.  Was just being curious if there was some kind of technical reason.  Thanks!
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« Reply #164 on: Sun, 09 October 2011, 16:53:32 »
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Pretty much. Dyesubs are considered to last very long. It is possible for them to wear (I think sixty has a pic of a worn one somewhere) but that's probably after a very long time of very heavy use. And even so, I don't think it's possible for the legend to completely wear off so much as discolor slightly. Sixty might be the better person to ask though.
For the dyesub keys, they have ink permeate a short way through the keycap, so you'll have to wear through that much plastic before it becomes unreadable. For a hard plastic, like PBT, that's gonna take a while.


There's also a pic of a key completely worn through, so even a doubleshot would be without a legend. I remember it being from a medical transcriber's keyboard.

To compare with the common option #3, Pad printing, my boss's keyboard at work has almost no legends left intact. Judging from key wear, I'm sure had he these dyesub'd PBT keys, I'm sure you'd still be able to read them all just fine.

Dye sub PBT is what IBM used, and should last a lot longer than I'm planning on using the keycaps.

Also PBT is harder than ABS (and more brittle (less fracture toughness,) but that's not an issue for keycaps) so it shouldn't wear as much anyway.

Finally, if the SP PBT is anything like the IBM/Unicomp PBT, then it'll feel really nice on the fingers (which is the best part about keycaps: The keyfeel)

In short: It'll take a really long time to wear through the key legends.
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I'm pretty excited about SP's dye-sub keycaps, though I don't have doubleshots to compare. (I think I may have seen a doubleshot once, an a typewriter, but I'm not sure)
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Also, thanks for clarifying about the blank keys.

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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 06:04:12 »
Here's updated artwork with the arrows:

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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 08:51:42 »
I liked it better without arrows, but either way is fine.
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« Reply #167 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 11:15:41 »
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Here's updated artwork with the arrows:

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Is it SP that creates these drawings? If I had access to the vector/artwork file for this I could create some options and/or take peoples' suggestions.

I initially wanted to have arrows but now after seeing them I think I'm with Khenra and prefer them without. But maybe all it needs is just a little tweaking...
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« Reply #168 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 11:18:24 »
The thing is, the top left aligned text on the modifier keys without any arrows gives it a nice modern look. By adding the arrows you are somewhere between 'oldskool' and modern. I don't really like that. But as I said, I'm in for a set either way.
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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 11:43:23 »
I'll take 2!
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« Reply #170 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 11:47:57 »
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The thing is, the top left aligned text on the modifier keys without any arrows gives it a nice modern look. By adding the arrows you are somewhere between 'oldskool' and modern. I don't really like that. But as I said, I'm in for a set either way.

Completely agree and I am in a for a set either way as well.
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« Reply #171 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 11:48:11 »
Please note that it's just a drawing and the actual keys will have straight/smooth lines, etc. I think you'll be happy with how the arrows look in the end.

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« Reply #172 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 13:21:46 »
I just checked the new design pictures in the OP. Looking at that spacebar, it looks like it will fit a Leopold, or?

Because in that case this might be a great match with the new Leopold Red Tenkeyless :)
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« Reply #173 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 16:56:33 »
The spacebar is probably the right size for leopold, but since it'll fit the filco/costar (wasd, CMstorm? etc.) boards, I think there may be a problem with the alignment. Like, the location of the switch under the spacebar (and stabilizers) will be off.

You can probably remedy this by hacking it, but that's up to you.
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I also think it'll look better without the "arrows" but it's really not a big issue for me, I'm still definitely in either way.

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« Reply #174 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 20:06:46 »
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Please note that it's just a drawing and the actual keys will have straight/smooth lines, etc. I think you'll be happy with how the arrows look in the end.



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I guess that would be helpful!  United States.
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« Reply #175 on: Tue, 11 October 2011, 20:18:25 »
I actually like both options.

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« Reply #176 on: Thu, 13 October 2011, 17:22:15 »
I'm gonna bump this because I want this to happen :)
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« Reply #177 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 00:23:14 »
Yep, this needs to happen.

I'm planning these keycaps on a CMstorm or WASD, it's gonna be awesome.

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« Reply #178 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 08:30:38 »
I told Keyboardlover I might just finance the remaining 9 sets and put them in a FS thread...  Hopefully some more people join in.
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« Reply #179 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 09:43:52 »
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The spacebar is probably the right size for leopold, but since it'll fit the filco/costar (wasd, CMstorm? etc.) boards, I think there may be a problem with the alignment. Like, the location of the switch under the spacebar (and stabilizers) will be off.

You can probably remedy this by hacking it, but that's up to you.


I saw a space bar somewhere here on GeekHack that had 6 'inputs' on the bottom in order to fit both the Filco and the Leopold. Maybe that's possible for this set? Or is there some reason not to do this?
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« Reply #180 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 10:17:03 »
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I saw a space bar somewhere here on GeekHack that had 6 'inputs' on the bottom in order to fit both the Filco and the Leopold. Maybe that's possible for this set? Or is there some reason not to do this?


It would be worth asking also for future group buys.
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« Reply #181 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 12:00:54 »
Good point. I've forwarded the spacebar question on... =)

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« Reply #182 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 17:23:05 »
Great! You have the best avatar ever, by the way. It is of a geekness level many of us can only dream to achieve.
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« Reply #183 on: Fri, 14 October 2011, 18:00:44 »
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Great! You have the best avatar ever, by the way. It is of a geekness level many of us can only dream to achieve.


Lol, thanks! :D

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« Reply #184 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 01:39:42 »
Group buy needs to be black on red :(

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« Reply #185 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 07:36:39 »
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Group buy needs to be black on red :(


You are in the wrong group buy!

Round 4 is further up or down in the Group Buys section;-)
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« Reply #186 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 10:23:47 »
Alright, I've decided I can swing $1000 to get 10 sets and will resell the sets I don't need in the marketplace.  Since I already had 2 on the list, adding 8 more will take us to 29.  Somebody get one last set so we can make this happen!
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« Reply #187 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 10:34:16 »
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Alright, I've decided I can swing $1000 to get 10 sets and will resell the sets I don't need in the marketplace.  Since I already had 2 on the list, adding 8 more will take us to 29.  Somebody get one last set so we can make this happen!


Updated. Thanks Bongoojingie!!  Just need one more order!

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« Reply #188 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 13:44:09 »
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Updated. Thanks Bongoojingie!!  Just need one more order!

Damn I was hoping it would take a bit longer to hit 30 since I am so broke with so many recent purchases... But f-it count me in for 1 to make it 30.
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« Reply #189 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 14:06:37 »
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Damn I was hoping it would take a bit longer to hit 30 since I am so broke with so many recent purchases... But f-it count me in for 1 to make it 30.

Not that I want to dissuade you from closing out the deal, but I am buying extras and will put them in a FS thread, if you need me to hold one, I can do it.
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« Reply #190 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 14:39:36 »
However you guys want to do it, just let me know. I'll leave it at 29 for now.

I still have to hear back from SP about the combined Leopold/Filco spacebar before I start taking orders and getting the ball rolling...

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« Reply #191 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 15:35:49 »
jpm804 will just buy one via the group buy and end up buying more from you Bongoojingie lol
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« Reply #192 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 18:13:31 »
Maybe if the combined space bar is not possible, it could be possible to include two space bar (one of each type)?

I don't want to make it too difficult on you, but it would be unfortunate if the most awesome set of key caps could only be used on Filco-type keyboards :) Especially since I'm considering buying one of those new Leopold keyboards from Elitekeyboards.

EDIT: Also, HUGE thanks to Bongoojingie for making this happen :) You rock!
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« Reply #193 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 18:31:06 »
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Maybe if the combined space bar is not possible, it could be possible to include two space bar (one of each type)?You rock!

Good point. If they can't do the combined one, I'll ask.

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« Reply #194 on: Sat, 15 October 2011, 19:54:34 »
Would be in for one if it we can get the space bar working for Leopold.

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« Reply #195 on: Sun, 16 October 2011, 07:49:24 »
Sorry keyboardlover i guess i will have to draw out of this groupbuy as i am short of cash now after upgrading my laptop HDD to SSD.

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« Reply #196 on: Sun, 16 October 2011, 08:11:18 »
Updated. Down to 28.

Need 2 more orders! =)

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« Reply #197 on: Sun, 16 October 2011, 10:07:40 »
I will go ahead and get a set.

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« Reply #198 on: Sun, 16 October 2011, 10:25:54 »
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I will go ahead and get a set.


You're in.

Just need one more order!

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« Reply #199 on: Sun, 16 October 2011, 11:24:48 »
Did we hear back from SP on the spacebars yet?
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