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geekhack Marketplace => Great Finds => Topic started by: Lpb45 on Sun, 04 March 2012, 19:40:30
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Saw this at [H]ardforum thought some people might like it here, there is 2 different kinds, check through the 2 threads for more info. These can be found on ebay.
Most people say the ones without the tempered glass are the best.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675393
http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/reviewed-400-2560x1440-ips-no-ag-90hz-achieva-shimian-qh270-and-catleap-q270
Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACHIEVA-Shimian-QH270-Lite-Quad-HD-2560x1440-16-9-D-Sub-Computer-Monitor-/220961455233?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item3372543c81
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CATLEAP-Q270-LED-2560X1440-WQHD-27-DVI-D-Dual-Computer-Monitor-/320857236333?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4ab494e36d
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Also, people are reporting the catleap hitting 80-90 refresh rates.
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i'd say this is a gamble. the HP zr2740w that most likely uses the same panel that this uses but has a warranty, better electronics, probably a higher panel binning, and an actual stand, is only like 650. i think the only reason to go for these is if you're one of these anti-glare nazis that can't deal with matte coatings.
also i'm not too surprised about the price differential. a large portion of these LG panels are made in korea, so all of these monitors are about 30% less over there.
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good luck finding an hp zr27 right now at that price, as of right now 1 seller on amazon ($700) has these. 0 on ebay. 0 on newegg. 0 on tigerdirect. Alot of people are buying these right now and not having any problems with the non tempered glass versions. This is a very good deal for someone who wants a high res ips panel and not break the bank. This is coming from someone with an Hp zr30w.
If your an anti glare nazi you can just get the apple cinema display. Buying anything like this is a gamble but you can see from the threads I linked lots of people are happy with their purchases especially the catleaps which are hitting 80+ refresh rates.
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b&h has them: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=zr2740w&N=0&InitialSearch=yes
otoh i'm glad to see prices head downward for the new LG LED IPS panels, but personally i wouldn't risk it with the defect rates i've been seeing (in the past two years i've been through 2x u2410s, 1x 2312hm, 1x zr2740w). then again, i have a working u2711 and a 23" ips companion for it already..
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Ya I know the feeling, I went through 3 zr30's before I got one without any dead or stuck/bright pixels
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yah seriously. at this point i absolutely will not buy an LCD without the ability to return + warranty.
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Apparently some of the sellers only pack it with bubblewrap. To me it's not worth taking the risk of something going wrong and then creating a bigger time/money sink.
Also the lack of inputs kind of bothers me.
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I bought the catleap a few days ago. Cancelled my u2412m order for it.
For $400 I can buy a 2nd one if it fails. I can live with a couple dead pixels. I also prefer glossy so it was a no brainer. 90hz is just a huge bonus :)
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bini, does the catleap have vesa mount holes?
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I bought the catleap a few days ago. Cancelled my u2412m order for it.
For $400 I can buy a 2nd one if it fails. I can live with a couple dead pixels. I also prefer glossy so it was a no brainer. 90hz is just a huge bonus :)
I would love to see an in-depth review from a geekhacker, dunno why I just put more stock into what someone on here thinks of a product over other forums. Maybe its a community thing or maybe its that I know how OCD most of us keyboard people are!
I may pick one up to landscape next to my zr30 and at that price its a fuking steal even if I get a dead/bright pixel, it should be fine the way its packed but the problem is that its handledy by DHL once in the states and they are godawful when it comes to small package.
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bini, does the catleap have vesa mount holes?
yes, I think you have to remove the stand though. and by remove I mean eithor dremel it off or break out the hacksaw.
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bini, does the catleap have vesa mount holes?
yeah, they are behind the curved plastic thing in the back.
yes, I think you have to remove the stand though. and by remove I mean eithor dremel it off or break out the hacksaw.
not from what i've heard. there's a way to pop it off. one guy said his game partially broken off so he just popped it off. it doesn't serve any purpose. it's simply for looks.
and i'll be sure to post up my thoughts once i get it. the seller just marked it at shipped a few hours ago so i'm crossing my fingers that i'll get it by the end of the week...unless customs eats it for awhile.
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ok, keep us updated!
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Hmn... you're going to need a step down transformer for these to use in America. They are 220v type C or European standard. Not a huge fan of glossy, but not a hater either. I'm more concerned about long term reliability since these are sort of 'off-brand' I guess. I think I will keep waiting to see how LG's upcoming DM line pans out before I buy a new display. If prices on those are like the BN series they will be pretty competitive, and from a known brand able to buy in US with a valid warranty, etc.
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Hmn... you're going to need a step down transformer for these to use in America. They are 220v type C or European standard. Not a huge fan of glossy, but not a hater either. I'm more concerned about long term reliability since these are sort of 'off-brand' I guess. I think I will keep waiting to see how LG's upcoming DM line pans out before I buy a new display. If prices on those are like the BN series they will be pretty competitive, and from a known brand able to buy in US with a valid warranty, etc.
you don't need a step down converter. that was one of the first things to be confirmed. just need to swap out the power cable for a US one.
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Just something I noticed in the listing, so my bad for not being in the know. I didn't look at the forum links at all and didn't see anything to that regard in this thread.
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It comes with a universal brick PSU and a Korean plugged cord. I'll be watching the market and Bini's reaction closely as my 2408 is starting to have issues. Dunno if I can get over the shiny screen tho.
And a special request, BiNiaRiS... Can you weigh the monitor without the stand? Wondering if I'd need to invest in new monitor arms.
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almost all ac-dc boards are 110-220v these days.
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These sell for less then $200 in korea which makes me really sad... cant find something half this decent for under $500 in the USA.
A mod over at OCN tried to organized a GB for these but it fell through because of administrative issues (group buys are against their ToS). Would anyone be interested if I started one? I think prices would be in the $300-$350 range shipped, less then eBay and maybe room for even cheaper if we get enough interest. I wouldn't mind trying if there was enough people and would alert people over at OCN as well because I know there was quite a bit of interest from them. The mod also tried to continue the GB outside of OCN but I don't think much ever came of it.
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not unless you could get some kind of reasonable warranty against defects.
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Just something I noticed in the listing, so my bad for not being in the know. I didn't look at the forum links at all and didn't see anything to that regard in this thread.
most of the important stuff is in the first post. the OP is doing a good job of keeping the good info there fortunately. the thread is getting out of hand though. it's WAY too much to sift through.
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not unless you could get some kind of reasonable warranty against defects.
you can buy a 3 year squaretrade warranty for $60.
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Some were wondering if that's even valid because it's a Korean product and it's bought from a Korean seller. Something about Squaretrade only valid in the US. But I just called them up and they said their warranty is valid. But it will only go into effect after the first year. It appears that they do offer a 1yr warranty from the manufacturer on ebay, and square-trade only comes into effect after that. I believe if they can't repair they just give you a full refund of the purchase price - warranty cost. So not a bad deal, but if it never breaks in 3 years then you wasted another $60 too.
And it always seems like anything I get an extended warranty for, never breaks...
I ordered one for $375, so we'll see how it turns out. If it looks nice I'll get 2 more + a triple LCD stand for them.
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Some were wondering if that's even valid because it's a Korean product and it's bought from a Korean seller. Something about Squaretrade only valid in the US. But I just called them up and they said their warranty is valid. But it will only go into effect after the first year. It appears that they do offer a 1yr warranty from the manufacturer on ebay, and square-trade only comes into effect after that. I believe if they can't repair they just give you a full refund of the purchase price - warranty cost. So not a bad deal, but if it never breaks in 3 years then you wasted another $60 too.
And it always seems like anything I get an extended warranty for, never breaks...
I ordered one for $375, so we'll see how it turns out. If it looks nice I'll get 2 more + a triple LCD stand for them.
some dude posted a screenshot from squaretrade's website. says the warranty goes into effect on the 46th day and it specifically says covers products that are NOT warrantied in the united states.
that being said i think i'll probably just take the risk to save $60.
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Ahh, well I ordered a Catleap from this seller and they advertise 1yr warranty
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110834882557
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Ahh, well I ordered a Catleap from this seller and they advertise 1yr warranty
http://www.ebay.com/itm/110834882557
yup and you'll have to pay to ship it back to korea, haha. they also warranty it for 15 from date of manufacture in case you don't have the receipt.
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I'm planning on modding these anyways, if they die... oh well. I want to remove as much of the bezel as I can for the triple setup. If I can reduce the gap enough...
I'm doubting the panels themselves will die, something like a backlight, inverter, or PSU will go bad. So the screens will still be valuable for salvage, or I can repair the broken part. I just know I'm not going to waste the money to ship it back, so just have to hope it gets here in decent shape.
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let me know how it goes
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my monitor is shipped. if customs screws me i blame tsangan.
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I bought the catleap a few days ago. Cancelled my u2412m order for it.
For $400 I can buy a 2nd one if it fails. I can live with a couple dead pixels. I also prefer glossy so it was a no brainer. 90hz is just a huge bonus :)
Glossy is the way to go :)
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Glossy is the way to go :)
Sure, it gives superior contrast if you don't have any ambient light. Yay for cave living.
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Sure, it gives superior contrast if you don't have any ambient light. Yay for cave living.
cave living is for sure the way to do :D
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This is so freaking awesome. I never knew they made 2560x1440 monitors this cheap. If you like yours bini tell me so i can get one :D
I've been on the search for a good option for more desktop real estate for the past couple weeks.
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I'm planning on modding these anyways, if they die... oh well. I want to remove as much of the bezel as I can for the triple setup. If I can reduce the gap enough...
I'm doubting the panels themselves will die, something like a backlight, inverter, or PSU will go bad. So the screens will still be valuable for salvage, or I can repair the broken part. I just know I'm not going to waste the money to ship it back, so just have to hope it gets here in decent shape.
I'm sure it's not too hard to repair the broken parts, but is it possible to get replacement power boards and LED backlighting? LED drivers aren't cheap: they need pretty high current, usually. I'd be pretty happy if there were ever a GB done.
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The power board I think wouldn't exist with an external PSU. And those are much easier to find replacements for.
I worked in a computer shop for a year, the biggest issue with LCD's I saw was the inverter going out. I can only recall one case where the backlighting went and only a few where the PSU went bad. That's also just excluding cracked screens from drops etc. I personally have yet to have an LCD fail, I had a used LCD TV that had overheating issues but that's about it.
I don't see a group-buy being feasible. And you wouldn't save all that much compared to just buying a single monitor. They retail about $260 in Korea. On top of whatever other fees, the guys selling them for $375 aren't making much after paypal and ebay fees, and shipping it express.
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I don't see a group-buy being feasible. And you wouldn't save all that much compared to just buying a single monitor. They retail about $260 in Korea. On top of whatever other fees, the guys selling them for $375 aren't making much after paypal and ebay fees, and shipping it express.
i buy this. also, that large a package is going to be hard to get through customs if it's sent via air.
i don't really buy this squaretrade stuff. i think in practice it's going to be hard to get them to pay out.
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A rep w/ squaretrade on the phone insisted that they'd cover it by refunding the item cost minus the warranty cost...
The power board I think wouldn't exist with an external PSU. And those are much easier to find replacements for.
That's where you're wrong. The PSU if I can read the pixelated letters provides 24v. There's gonna be a drop-down for logic at 3.3-5v and for the LEDs somewhere between 10 and 20volts usually... If they were smart it's 24v for the LEDs but who knows, I've never seen LED backlights at more than 20v, oddly.
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unsurprising. rep w/ squaretrade just wants you to front the warranty cost.
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A rep w/ squaretrade on the phone insisted that they'd cover it by refunding the item cost minus the warranty cost...
if that is the case that is terrible. if it's $50 for the initial warranty and then you only get paid out on the original price - the warranty cost then you're paying double for the warranty. i hope they just worded that wrong.
unsurprising. rep w/ squaretrade just wants you to front the warranty cost.
they will even cover these:
Seller is not authorized dealer.
Unlocked cell phones.
Gray-market / International items.
they also have amazing feedback on resellerratings:
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/SquareTrade
that being said i'm still on the fence and probably won't buy the extended warranty. i think they are waste of time usually. most financial advisers will say the same thing.
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is there a consistent track record of them paying out on these things though? this is what i'm doubtful of.
that being said i'm still on the fence and probably won't buy the extended warranty. i think they are waste of time usually. most financial advisers will say the same thing.
well, it depends on the defect rate. generally, we want to be buying products with low defect rate in the first place, since failures are inefficient even if they're covered by some kind of insurance (ie, we will lose something in a failure regardless: productivity, shipping costs, etc.).
imo this is why you buy things with built-in insurance, not for the actual act of replacement, but because it means a certain amount of reliability is priced in. extended warranties are a sham because they don't actually relate to the failure rate of the product.
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Anyone know the input lag on these?
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It's in the [H] thread... I'll dig some since I remember it :)
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is there a consistent track record of them paying out on these things though? this is what i'm doubtful of.
i haven't researched that. most people aren't going to write a review if they bought the warranty and then never had to call on it though.
Anyone know the input lag on these?
they are listed as 6ms but are more like 11 i believe which is decently low for IPS. i'm going to be gaming on them but I'm not hardcore into cs 1.6 like I once was so everything else about the monitor is more important to me.
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Hmm, here's the input rate (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038449269&postcount=198) stuff... Hmm, 3 posts up is the only direct witness claim of 'no lag I can see' I was wrong about finding real tests on that one...
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Damn koreans,, pwn us at everything..............ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRggggg.g..... first starcraft,, now monitors...,moniitor prices.s..
THis is NOT a racist post...
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Yep I could be quite wrong, but I still haven't had many issues with LCD's. I haven't heard of widespread issues with Dell u2711's or Apple's Cinema 27" which both use similar LG panels. (I'm assuming the back-light is a part of the panel). I'm just assuming it shares similar components so they should be easy enough to obtain if the need arises.
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all the 24"+ LG IPS panels had color uniformity issues (left would tint red, right would tint blue) for the first couple years of production. this was so problematic that NEC and eizo had to add screen-region-based color correction LUTs to their pro line to get the kind of uniformity they had been getting with previous panels.
backlight uniformity on some grades of panel (ie, the grade that everyone as cheap or cheaper than dell used) has also been suspect. admittedly, the 27" line of panels has not been bad, but the LED version being used in this monitor is a pretty new panel, and doesn't have the most amazing track record in the US so far (there seems to have been a bad batch of zr2740ws, mine included). further, for 260$ retail in korea, they're probably using pretty low-grade panels...
again, i'm personally all for taking a wait-and-see, but that's at least in part because i'm not entirely sure where i'd put another panel on my desk...
ps, it's not super easy to swap in driving electronics. power supplies yes, everything else no.
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LM270WQ1 panel. Which is the same part number used in the Apple Cinema displays.
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Here is the info some of you probably want. It goes into color/refresh rates, etc in great detail...but it's translated from Korean:
Catleap:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playwares.com%2Fxe%2Findex.php%3Fmid%3Dmaingame%26page%3D2%26category%3D19628503%26document_srl%3D21449157
Achieva:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playwares.com%2Fxe%2Findex.php%3Fmid%3Dmaingame%26page%3D3%26category%3D19628503%26document_srl%3D20925987
Crossover:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=www.playwares.com%2Fxe%2Findex.php%3Fmid%3Dmaingame%26page%3D5%26category%3D19628503%26document_srl%3D19660691
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actually you just made me curious about this, so i looked it up and here's the deal:
hp zr2740w: lm270wq1-sdda (matte, w-led, 8 + 2-bit)
dell u2711: lm270wq2-? (matte, w-ccfl, 10-bit native afaik)
apple ACD: lm270wq1-sda2 (glossy, w-led, 8-bit)
catleap whatever: same!
hazro something: lm270wq1-sla1 (glossy, ccfl, 8 + 2-bit)
i guess we know where all the low-bin panels that haven't made it into ACDs have been going now lol
here's where i'm getting the panel info from: http://www.panelook.com/sizmodlist.php?sizes[]=27.0
monitor to panel mapping from tftcentral
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That just made me much more interested. Same panel as ACD with a usable (for me) interface and not f*cking thunderbolt or DP. I do like the look of ACD, just was irritated that I can't use one without replacing my GPU already since I have no DP and there is no such thing as thunderbolt PC side yet either.
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if someone retailed them in the US for 500 i'd probably buy one in an instant lol
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if someone retailed them in the US for 500 i'd probably buy one in an instant lol
Yeah, even at $500 it would really shake up the market over here. These monitors aren't for everyone since they are so basic, but most people don't need all the fancy inputs and speakers and such. I actually prefer them more basic...less **** that can break.
BTW, here is a tear down of the top of the line Achieva. It's got all the extra inputs and such but it at least gives you a look into the inside of one of them.
http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=slr_review&no=215
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i suspect it's just a matter of time before someone imports these. the viewsonic 23" i have is very obviously a korean rebrand and is retailing for 180 right now; that's like 25% less than the lowest price i've seen the dell 2312hm for, and it's very obviously the same panel (lower grade, natch). it also has the same style stand as the achieva -- i guess the molded plastic job is popular among korean industrial designers right now.
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i suspect it's just a matter of time before someone imports these. the viewsonic 23" i have is very obviously a korean rebrand and is retailing for 180 right now; that's like 25% less than the lowest price i've seen the dell 2312hm for, and it's very obviously the same panel (lower grade, natch). it also has the same style stand as the achieva -- i guess the molded plastic job is popular among korean industrial designers right now.
i hope it happens. people don't know what they are missing with IPS. i've been on a TN panel for at least 4 years so i'm really looking forward to the upgrade. anyone who spends more than a few hours on their computer every day deserves one.
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After using my 30" IPS for the last year I couldnt go back to a TN, it would be like going back to a 5 dollar dell rubber dome after using a realforce.
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I worked in a computer shop for a year, the biggest issue with LCD's I saw was the inverter going out. I can only recall one case where the backlighting went and only a few where the PSU went bad. That's also just excluding cracked screens from drops etc. I personally have yet to have an LCD fail, I had a used LCD TV that had overheating issues but that's about it.
I don't see a group-buy being feasible. And you wouldn't save all that much compared to just buying a single monitor. They retail about $260 in Korea. On top of whatever other fees, the guys selling them for $375 aren't making much after paypal and ebay fees, and shipping it express.
LCD panels are backlit with either LED or CFL. The inverter generates the ~700-1200 V for the CFL from a lower voltage power source provided by the motherboard. This can either be integrated into the logic display connector, or it can be a separate (usually 4 pin) connector that plugs in to the motherboard. In practise, the physical CFL tubes or other fails internally in the panel more often than the inverter, if there is a separate board for it (which is uncommon, but is prevalent in the white and black Macbook 13"). There is a similar "driver" board for LED-backlit panels, but this is also commonly integrated on to the back of the panel in laptops. One notable exception is the Lenovo X220 tablet, which has a separate board driving the LED's. They refer to it as "LED board" in their service manual.
I've only worked for 8 months, but I've seen several backlights go out in computers with separate inverters, but as I said, most inverters are integrated to the panel, and LED drivers are almost always not a separate part.
Computer internal power supplies do go bad, though AC adapters are much more common. Usually if one of the Voltage regulators on the Motherboard that drops the DC from 19V (fujitsu, some gateway, toshiba) or 20V (Lenovo) to 5V or 3.3V then it'll take out enough of the rest of the motherboard, that it'll need to be replaced entirely.
As far as panels failing, it's often from spills, drops, etc. I have seen them go, but usually an entire shift register will drop out, resulting in one or more white bars across the display. It's pretty frequent for me to see this: We get at least one per week. In fact, I just replaced one in a HP ("Compaq") 6710b where the back lighting was perfect, and the panel was broken. Lucky for me, HP ships the entire assembly.
Also, I would say that the cables failing is also relatively common. I have done more than one Apple macbook white where the panel and backlight are great, but the cables have some break internally.
Finally: Not all panels are reliable: The Lenovo X220 tablet and laptop have already gone over 3% for non-damaged screen issues. (We started selling them in the fall.)
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As far as GB's go, I thought it would make financial sense to run one, but if that's not really the case, then perhaps I'll just get one or two of these from ebay. Are they energy-star? If so, I can get 50% off through my work's efficiency initiative.
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I got to see a new Apple cinema display we replaced the "logic board" in. It looked nice, but it wasn't as amazing as everyone says IPS is. Unless of course the "mid 2011" didn't have an IPS panel. Humorously, Apple's parts-ordering system "GSX" told us to back up the hard-drive before replacing the logic board in the Apple Cinema Display.
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Humorously, Apple's parts-ordering system "GSX" told us to back up the hard-drive before replacing the logic board in the Apple Cinema Display.
I lol'd.
And I gotta assume laptop LCD failure rates will be higher just based on the fact they are always being moved around versus a desktop LCD that stays in place.
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I just might pick one of these up tonight. 2560x1440 IPS at 6ms response for $400 shipped is incredible. Will probably go with the Catleap.
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I just might pick one of these up tonight. 2560x1440 IPS at 6ms response for $400 shipped is incredible. Will probably go with the Catleap.
they are more like 9ms GTG. But even 9ms is pretty low for an IPS panel. the cat leap is the way too go since you can get the higher refresh rates though.
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they are more like 9ms GTG. But even 9ms is pretty low for an IPS panel. the cat leap is the way too go since you can get the higher refresh rates though.
I'm still fine with 9ms, but am curious where you found that info? All the specs say 6ms.
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Do they actually output higher than 60hz? Because there were alot of panels that takes 85hz signal and interpolate down to 60hz display.
27" is my favorite, but I wonder where are those 30" rejects? I wouldn't mind 3x30" for an office setup.
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Do they actually output higher than 60hz? Because there were alot of panels that takes 85hz signal and interpolate down to 60hz display.
27" is my favorite, but I wonder where are those 30" rejects? I wouldn't mind 3x30" for an office setup.
Hmm, here's the input rate (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038449269&postcount=198) stuff... Hmm, 3 posts up is the only direct witness claim of 'no lag I can see' I was wrong about finding real tests on that one...
Check out the images... apparently that's 'proof' of the additional display rate. I really dunno.
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I bit...despite having 3x U2410s.
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I bit...despite having 3x U2410s.
You know the 1440p is gonna spoil you :)
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mid 2011 ACD is an lm270wq2-ads2
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Just bought my Catleap Q270 from dream-seller last night...looking forward to getting it in.
This is a double upgrade for me, since I will be bringing my current LG 1920x1200 24" monitor to work to use instead of my laptop's 1920x1200 17" screen.
Can't wait.
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mid 2011 ACD is an lm270wq2-ads2
Thanks. Maybe I just didn't get enough time with it, or wasn't looking closely enough, but I just couldn't see the benefit over a decent TN panel. Also could be that I just see tons of laptops every day, so all LCD panels start to look the same.
Bytheway, here's my cellphone picture of the ACD "backup your hard drive" thing.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]42942[/ATTACH]
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all their screens say this all the time because people NEVER BACKUP and then they complain that they lost their term paper/priceless family photos/whatever when they sent their PRECIOUS BROKEN COMBOBULATOR back to apple
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I bought one. We'll see how it goes!
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ugh. 6 days now and my tracking is finally active and my monitor is still in korea. i should have had this by the end of this week :|
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Hmmm, this is what happens when something gets 'found' annoying but inevitable.
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Is there a value equivalent with the anti-glare coating?
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Is there a value equivalent with the anti-glare coating?
not that i know of.6
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guys, what is IPS & TN.
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I got tempered glass. Hope I don't get any dust.
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I got tempered glass. Hope I don't get any dust.
one guy peeled up the corner of the glass on his and used compressed air to blow the dust away.
why did you pick tempered glass? especially over the catleap Q270 SE that has the higher refresh rates.
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one guy peeled up the corner of the glass on his and used compressed air to blow the dust away.
why did you pick tempered glass? especially over the catleap Q270 SE that has the higher refresh rates.
I dono, I was high. Just chose one :P I wanted the shimian because it seems to be a bit shorter but no idea why on the glass.
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Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching. Apparently staples had them on sale for $2.50 a while back. They're identical to the Ergotron Neo-Flexes worth about $50-60 so it's still a good deal. I think I'm going to desk-mount 3 of these though, and am probably going to use some nicer arms, Ergotron MX or LX arm, HP has a version for a bit less ~$75...
http://imgur.com/a/QCPA3#0
Some pics... My 5870 doesn't play that nice with it though, but apparently one of the reviews noted it as "not compatible". It works in Windows just not at the BIOS level. Seems like this is only a problem with a few cards though, I tried a 9600GT and it was fine.
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Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching. Apparently staples had them on sale for $2.50 a while back. They're identical to the Ergotron Neo-Flexes worth about $50-60 so it's still a good deal. I think I'm going to desk-mount 3 of these though, and am probably going to use some nicer arms, Ergotron MX or LX arm, HP has a version for a bit less ~$75...
http://imgur.com/a/QCPA3#0
Some pics... My 5870 doesn't play that nice with it though, but apparently one of the reviews noted it as "not compatible". It works in Windows just not at the BIOS level. Seems like this is only a problem with a few cards though, I tried a 9600GT and it was fine.
Do you have enough horsepower to play games at 2560x1440 with your 5870? I have a 5850 would be worried about only getting 30 fps in bf3 :P
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Well my previous monitor was a Dell 3007WFP-HC which is at 2560 x 1600... I get decent frame-rates in BF3 (45-60+) on highish settings... There are moments when it drops but it's pretty good, BF3 is CPU/Ram heavy too and I'm set on that front (i5-750 @ 3.8ghz, and 16GB @ 1440mhz).
But I'm still planning on upgrading, probably to Kepler if it's reasonably priced, maybe 2 of them if I get 2 more Q270's for a triple setup.
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Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching.
Ugh, dream-seller really dropped the ball on shipping them out. I ordered on march 2nd and you got yours before me. I'm hoping mine gets here tomorrow. The latest update I have is that it left customs.
Here's another lcd stand I thought about putting a $20 offer in on:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220971307874
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Yea, I only bought from green-sum because they were $25 cheaper than Dreamseller, turns out they had better packaging and faster shipping. Lucked out I guess.
I was about to bid on one of those but thought I'd wait it out if I was going to be buying a better mount later. Then I thought I'd check craigslist and found the Ergotron version for $10 NIB from some guy 5 minutes away. So I'll be picking that up tomorrow and trying it out. The stock Catleap stand is a joke, thing wobbles at the slightest touch. In the long-run I think I'll get 3 x Ergotron LX mounts. They're expensive ~$110 each, but they have 5yr warranties, support ~20lbs each and are super adjustable. They'll probably outlast the Catleap's.
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Yea, I only bought from green-sum because they were $25 cheaper than Dreamseller, turns out they had better packaging and faster shipping. Lucked out I guess.
I was about to bid on one of those but thought I'd wait it out if I was going to be buying a better mount later. Then I thought I'd check craigslist and found the Ergotron version for $10 NIB from some guy 5 minutes away. So I'll be picking that up tomorrow and trying it out. The stock Catleap stand is a joke, thing wobbles at the slightest touch. In the long-run I think I'll get 3 x Ergotron LX mounts. They're expensive ~$110 each, but they have 5yr warranties, support ~20lbs each and are super adjustable. They'll probably outlast the Catleap's.
i also bought it at $414. dream-seller is supposed to credit me $14, but even then, they've still dropped in price a ton in one week.
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Shoot, the Catleap listing ended. I guess I'm not upgrading to IPS for a while.
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Shoot, the Catleap listing ended. I guess I'm not upgrading to IPS for a while.
Just search for Catleap Q270, there are tons of them. These are common monitors sold in Korea... actually retail about $260-280. But it costs about $80-90 to ship them over here to the US, along with paypal/ebay fees these resellers aren't making a whole lot.
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woo my monitor is in portland. i'll have it tomorrow and will post my thoughts.
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Nice, I don't know if you looked up the specs before, but it looks like those Ergotron Neo-Flex stands will just barely support the Catleaps, even in Portrait mode. Which is one I want to try out... might need multiple monitors before portrait becomes useful with programming.
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Nice, I don't know if you looked up the specs before, but it looks like those Ergotron Neo-Flex stands will just barely support the Catleaps, even in Portrait mode. Which is one I want to try out... might need multiple monitors before portrait becomes useful with programming.
the main review i was going off of was a guy that had a u3011 on it and said it worked like a charm. 1.5x time the "supported" weight with no issues. if it doesn't work well i can resell it easily enough. i'll be using it in landscape 99% of the time.
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Is this one have tempered glass or not? I would prefer the one without. It is also the cheapest i found on ebay and i think someone used this seller before. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAMAKASI-CATLEAP-Q270-SE-27-LED-2560X1440-WQHD-DVI-D-Dual-Computer-Monitor-/110834882557
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Is this one have tempered glass or not? I would prefer the one without. It is also the cheapest i found on ebay and i think someone used this seller before. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAMAKASI-CATLEAP-Q270-SE-27-LED-2560X1440-WQHD-DVI-D-Dual-Computer-Monitor-/110834882557
that's the same one i bought. not tempered glass.
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Is it wall mountable?
Sent from my mobile
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Is it wall mountable?
Sent from my mobile
yes
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has anyone that bough the monitor on GH been able to confirm the higher refresh rates?
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the main review i was going off of was a guy that had a u3011 on it and said it worked like a charm. 1.5x time the "supported" weight with no issues. if it doesn't work well i can resell it easily enough. i'll be using it in landscape 99% of the time.
If the Neo-Flex is spring supported like the LX mount I have then it may work just fine early in it's life... but over time you'll slowly kill it's ability to support the weight.
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Well the Ergotron's do have 5yr warranties.
Even then, this monitor isn't going over it's weight capacity so you should be fine.
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just got my shimian, can't get it to display **** with my 6950 2gb
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Does it work with a laptop or another desktop?
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Does it work with a laptop or another desktop?
Tried it with my roommates 6950 2gb and no dice. Might have been using wrong port though. Going to test on the other port when he finishes this LoL match.
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Yea, some ATI cards only have a single dual-link port (One closest to the physical slot on the motherboard).
Make sure you're using a dual-link DVI cable, the one included should be one.
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Yea, some ATI cards only have a single dual-link port (One closest to the physical slot on the motherboard).
Make sure you're using a dual-link DVI cable, the one included should be one.
yeah been trying to figure it out over at overclockers. I'm using the d-link port on my card now, but if I start my computer with just the shimian on that port (no other monitors), my computer doesn't boot into windows. If I try to connect after windows has started, I can see it from windows but get an error when I try to extend my display...
bummed :(
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Well try it out on other machines just to verify it's the monitor.
My Catleap didn't play to well with my 5870, it works once it's in windows but not at the BIOS. I tried an Nvidia 9600gt and it worked at the BIOS (same machine otherwise).
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This is kind of bumming me out, cause I really want one of these but if im gonna run into problems with my 5850 i'll probably need another card.
It might be time to upgrade anyways
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i got mine in today. works perfectly but i can't get it to go past 65hz which is a bummer. i'm running a 6870.
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Ordered mine from dream-seller on the 7th (Korea time) and it shipped/got my tracking number today the 12th.
Binaris, how long did it take you to get it from the time it was dropped off at the post office in Korea?
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Ordered mine from dream-seller on the 7th (Korea time) and it shipped/got my tracking number today the 12th.
Binaris, how long did it take you to get it from the time it was dropped off at the post office in Korea?
about 4 days.
and it looks like there's some new confirmation that these are not all able to run at 85hz+
so far mine isn't. one guy bought a second one that doesn't OC, but his first one does.
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Soon we will be OC'ing keyboards!
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Tested my monitor on a friends 560ti. Black screen with backlight on still. Computer recognizes no monitor, but no video output. New dvi-d cable is in the mail to test. Hopefully it's just that and not DOA.
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You might take it apart, the main video cable might have came loose during shipping.
I disassembled my Catleap and I had similar issues. It would be detected by windows but I just saw a blank screen w/ back-light. Turns out I just didn't have the internal video cable plugged in all the way. I had 3 cables internally. Power for backlight, Signal, and Buttons/Power Light.
Works now though.
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sorry to hear it dudes :( at least it sounds like it's easily fixable.
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If someone else does have to do that to fix it, could they take a couple pictures detailing the job?
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so far mine isn't. one guy bought a second one that doesn't OC, but his first one does.
Hmm, sorry to hear that... what do you think of the image quality and color reproduction? What do you have that you are comparing it to?
Thanks!
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The university just threw out another FW900. I am going to take that and see if it works. Sure the resolution (1920*1200) is a bit lower, but I do like the old one I had before it died.
Hopefully I'll get it before they e-waste it. Any tips on borrowing cars from your friends?
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Mine has dead pixels :(
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Mine has dead pixels :(
Which brand did you get, and how many did you have?
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Christ these look amazing. Hopefully we won't have too many dead pixels floating around...
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Hmm, sorry to hear that... what do you think of the image quality and color reproduction? What do you have that you are comparing it to?
I'm coming from a Samsung 22" TN so it's a huge upgrade for me. I don't do any digital photography so I can't really comment on color quality. I will still I'm beyond impressed. Just go look at the new 27" Apple displays...it's the same panel from LG.
Mine has dead pixels :(
Mine had one. There's some stuff you can do to possible fix them though.
But dead pixels are really hard to see at this resolution. I had to look pretty hard to find my one.
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you can try attempting to rapidly cycle the pixel. if it's a glossy but not glass screen, you can try rubbing the area as well, but it's pretty unlikely to do much with pixels that small, and it's just as likely to break another nearby pixel as it is to fix the stuck/dead one
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I got the Catleap Q270 SE. I have two 'dead' pixels. One is black (presumably dead), and the other one is stuck? It is white. I think it is actually more than 1 (looks to be a cluster of around 3/4) black.
Regardless ~ I'd stay away from these monitors if you must have a perfect panel. It is very evident to me at this point that these monitors are cheap because they are somewhat flawed. I think the flaws are simply less noticable for those who have 'perfect' monitors.
The seller I was interacting with basically told me that there are two models - a guarenteed flawless one, checked by the company themselves, and one that is not flawless. If they are going through the troubles of checking it, then it is obvious that those not classified as flawless...is not.
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Just because it's not checked doesn't mean they're not flawless.
Mine had no dead/stuck pixels and many others have also received perfect displays.
The pixels are small enough that it's getting hard to notice them unless your face is against the screen.
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Just because it's not checked doesn't mean they're not flawless.
Mine had no dead/stuck pixels and many others have also received perfect displays.
The pixels are small enough that it's getting hard to notice them unless your face is against the screen.
The panels have been confirmed to be A- grade. Not really sure what that means compared to A grade panels, but mine arrived with 1 dead pixel and I'm not going to complain at all. I can only see it when i use programs to check for it since it's so small. It's even close to the center of the screen and it doesn't bother me. If you want a 100% guaranteed flawless panel spend $900 and buy one in the US.
Also blaze, thanks for the inner cable tip. I just took apart my cat leap to remove the ****ty stand and add on the 3M one I got (love it by the way) and when i put it 1/2 back together to test it wasn't working. It was the cable you mentioned. It is behind tape so I hadn't noticed that it had come loose. Snapped it back in and it works perfectly now. I highly recommend this stand...spring loaded height adjustment is so nice. The monitor is too wide to use it in portrait mode though, but I never planned on using that so meh.
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You may be right. I am merely speculating. It seems that a lot of people bought these monitors because everyone else have been reporting flawless screens. Now that a wave of shipments have been received, a lot more "flawed" comments are being made. Mine was also unable to OC hertz wise. It seems that the controller has been swapped to ones with lower quality.
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Even if they check the panel for dead or stuck pixels prior sending it, **** could still happen during shipping.
You may be right. I am merely speculating. It seems that a lot of people bought these monitors because everyone else have been reporting flawless screens. Now that a wave of shipments have been received, a lot more "flawed" comments are being made. Mine was also unable to OC hertz wise. It seems that the controller has been swapped to ones with lower quality.
Sounds like PEBKAC.
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You may be right. I am merely speculating. It seems that a lot of people bought these monitors because everyone else have been reporting flawless screens. Now that a wave of shipments have been received, a lot more "flawed" comments are being made. Mine was also unable to OC hertz wise. It seems that the controller has been swapped to ones with lower quality.
people were buying them because they are 1440p S-IPS Glossy screens with low lag for under $400 and people will continue to buy them because they are so cheap. At $400 there's really no room to complain unless you got an abnormal amount of dead pixels. One guy on OCN said he had 4-5 dead pixels and the seller is going to pay to return it and send him a new one...that blows my mind.
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The A+ panels are just guaranteed by LG to be perfect, so Dell/Apple can sell them and not worry about testing them. A- is still the same panel, it's just not guaranteed to be perfect. It's not mutually exclusive is all I'm saying.
Apparently a 3007WFP-HC I used for 2 years had a stuck pixel that I never noticed even after scouring over the screen twice. The buyer saw it in person and checked himself for 5-10 minutes and gave it the OK. Then e-mailed me the next day saying he found a stuck pixel. Basically at this resolution I don't even notice it. I would go as far to say don't even bother checking your display. Just use it, and if you notice any flaws you notice them. That's how I plan to deal with the next 3 Catleaps I'm buying :)
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The A+ panels are just guaranteed by LG to be perfect, so Dell/Apple can sell them and not worry about testing them. A- is still the same panel, it's just not guaranteed to be perfect. It's not mutually exclusive is all I'm saying.
Apparently a 3007WFP-HC I used for 2 years had a stuck pixel that I never noticed even after scouring over the screen twice. The buyer saw it in person and checked himself for 5-10 minutes and gave it the OK. Then e-mailed me the next day saying he found a stuck pixel. Basically at this resolution I don't even notice it. I would go as far to say don't even bother checking your display. Just use it, and if you notice any flaws you notice them. That's how I plan to deal with the next 3 Catleaps I'm buying :)
even the flawless ones aren't flawless 100% of the time :)
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I've actually had dead pixels come and go... sometimes the same pixel sometimes not.
Once you use the monitor for a while you're likely to have more dust blocking pixels than dead pixels and still not bother to clean the screen for another couple weeks at least. (barring OCD types)
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People are confusing dead pixels(unfixable) and stuck pixels(fixable), im sure someone will try and argue semantics over this. If the pixel is dead it should be black, any other color and and it is a stuck pixel. As for people getting multiple stuck/dead pixels, that really sucks but the plain and simple fact is that these high res monitors just have alot more pixels that can go bad. I went through 3 HPzr30w's before I got one without a stuck/dead pixel and it is supposedly an A+ panel, just check some of the 30/27 inch IPS monitor threads on [H] and OCN and see how often it happens.
It still stands that these are 2560x1440 IPS no AG coating monitors for right around $400, **** im considering selling my zr30w and getting 3 of them and paying them to bin em so I have a higher chance of no stuck/dead pixels for eyefinity(mmmm). The fact that this deal even exists is amazing.
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So I pulled the trigged on one of these from green sum, hope I get an overclockable panel.
In terms of a stand do you guys think this one would work for it?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONITOR-MOUNT-LCD-Monitor-Mount-Ergotron-Monitor-33-326-055-Universal-/150692964531?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23160028b3#ht_715wt_905
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I messaged green-sum and asked if there was an option to open the box and check for dead pixels before shipping. I'll have to dig up his reply but apparently there's a $60 or $65 option for the mfgr to guarantee that the screen has zero defects.
Would you guys who've bought Q(H)270's say you're pretty damned impressed with them? I'm really close to pulling the trigger on one, then possibly a second in a month or two, but I want a little more feedback first.
Also, did you go with tempered glass or bare display?
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It's not looking good on the overclockable Catleaps unless you buy a Tempered glass version, simply because they sold less often and it appears the older versions are still in stock
I wouldn't recommend that Ergotron stand, I know this one works (I have my Catleap mounted on one right now)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280826234518
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I'm going for a tempered glass one hope to get an overclockable one..
Darn now I need to find a good deal on a stand. $40 for that one that you listed.
Hey blazestorm, with that ergotron stand, does the monitor lower all the way down to almost touch the desk? I think with a 27 inch monitor I'm almost going to want it to touch my desk to be appropriate height.
I messaged green-sum and asked if there was an option to open the box and check for dead pixels before shipping. I'll have to dig up his reply but apparently there's a $60 or $65 option for the mfgr to guarantee that the screen has zero defects.
Would you guys who've bought Q(H)270's say you're pretty damned impressed with them? I'm really close to pulling the trigger on one, then possibly a second in a month or two, but I want a little more feedback first.
Also, did you go with tempered glass or bare display?
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I'm going for a tempered glass one hope to get an overclockable one..
Darn now I need to find a good deal on a stand. $40 for that one that you listed.
Hey blazestorm, with that ergotron stand, does the monitor lower all the way down to almost touch the desk? I think with a 27 inch monitor I'm almost going to want it to touch my desk to be appropriate height.
it goes to about 1-2cm from the desk. it's really nice. i have the 3m branded version but it's the same mount.
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Mine sits flush with the base at the lowest height in landscape. Sits flush at the highest height in portrait.
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Does anyone know how to open up the shimian?
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Got my Yamakasi Catleap Q270 in yesterday and I am extremely pleased. I can't find any dead pixels and I don't think I can ever go back to a 1920 resolution....this is just awesome.
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Pulled the trigger on a Catleap Q270 today - I'll report in when it arrives. If it's awesome I might order a second ;)
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Did these just get cheaper? I see $361.90 from the ebay link.
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Did these just get cheaper? I see $361.90 from the ebay link.
On the Achevia yes I see $361.90
Hoping the catleap monitors will continue to drop :amen:
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Some ergotron stands for these monitors:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330705339847?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_2067wt_885
I offered $30, they accepted, you might be able to get it for less..
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1232084/yamakasi-catleap-q270-100hz-guaranteed
Guys on Overclock.net are working towards getting 120hz capable boards back in the Catleaps / special edition manufactured. Figure some people might be interested.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1232084/yamakasi-catleap-q270-100hz-guaranteed
Guys on Overclock.net are working towards getting 120hz capable boards back in the Catleaps / special edition manufactured. Figure some people might be interested.
Saw that link posted earlier on [H]. I put in my vote. :) Definitely be down for buying two if they end up making them.
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1232084/yamakasi-catleap-q270-100hz-guaranteed
Guys on Overclock.net are working towards getting 120hz capable boards back in the Catleaps / special edition manufactured. Figure some people might be interested.
haha what
*****es be crazy
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Will this run fine on my ATI 3870x2 Graphics card? Spent about ~$700 on this baby about 5 or 6 years ago I believe. Completely out of the graphics card loop now.
Thanks!!
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I've had one for a few days now. It's sitting right next to my Dell 27" screens, and honestly I prefer it for some things so far.
The glossy screen is much nicer for text, if you're in a light-controlled area. Reading text just seems so much nicer on the eyes that w/ the AG coating. The Dell's have much less light bleed, and do seem to be more viewable off-angle than the catleap. Otherwise the viewing experiences are very similar.
It came with a bad DVI cable, so I was pretty bummed for a bit until I tried one I already had. Otherwise worked great out of the box, with one stuck pixel that I've found which is not noticeable.
The shipping was pretty crazy too - I got this 3 days after I submitted the order, and it came in a GIANT box via USPS. I was expecting a week or two, based on prior shipping experiences from that area of the world.
The only thing that really sucks on these is the stand - get your own aftermarket stand if you don't already use monitor arms.
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Otherwise worked great out of the box, with one stuck pixel that I've found which is not noticeable.
Don't know if this has changed much with the new LCD's, but sometimes you can "un-stick" a bad pixel. Use something soft like a white eraser on a mech pencil and place it over the stuck pixel. Wiggle it with medium to high force for a few seconds and then release. If it doesn't work the first time, repeat just once more.
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good information about these from tftcentral:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/26.htm#korean_ips27
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I really wanna buy one of these but everyday they seem to get cheaper. I don't know how much longer I can wait.
Can someone also clarify something for me? All of the ads say that it doesn't work with 5850/70. But people say it works, but you can't view BIOS. Is this the case for every card? or just some of them?
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I really wanna buy one of these but everyday they seem to get cheaper. I don't know how much longer I can wait.
Can someone also clarify something for me? All of the ads say that it doesn't work with 5850/70. But people say it works, but you can't view BIOS. Is this the case for every card? or just some of them?
Are you talking about the DPs? If so I think they had some problems on the 58xx series
Edit: nvm, I guess these monitors dont have DP. I thought it would since mine does and they have the same panel
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Are you talking about the DPs? If so I think they had some problems on the 58xx series
Edit: nvm, I guess these monitors dont have DP. I thought it would since mine does and they have the same panel
*Insert DP joke here.*
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I bit anyways, I couldn't help myself anymore, but 3 days and still hasn't shipped yet :(
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My 2408 has developed a vertical yellow line... goes away once it's warmed up but makes me look even closer at these.
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Glad I kept up with this thread... looks like I'll be buying Apple displays after all. BROKE BROKE BROKE.
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Glad I kept up with this thread... looks like I'll be buying Apple displays after all. BROKE BROKE BROKE.
What issues have you seen to justify spending another >$500?
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What issues have you seen to justify spending another >$500?
It's the lack of recourse if there's an issue with it. I'm not about to spend 400 bucks on a monitor that I can't quickly or easily return, and risk it happening again. With Apple I can get AppleCare for a little extra and have the peace of mind for 3 years, and a solid stand to boot.
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There's also the HP ZR2740w, but I'm an Apple hater. :)
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There's also the HP ZR2740w, but I'm an Apple hater. :)
Yeah, I looked at these too, but I'm not very impressed with plastic these days.
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Yeah, I looked at these too, but I'm not very impressed with plastic these days.
Damn, what are you expecting to do with it?
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It's the lack of recourse if there's an issue with it. I'm not about to spend 400 bucks on a monitor that I can't quickly or easily return, and risk it happening again. With Apple I can get AppleCare for a little extra and have the peace of mind for 3 years, and a solid stand to boot.
I have the Apple with Apple care. If you buy it all from amazon it comes out cheaper then the apple store.
The HP ZR2740w has it's pros and cons like all the 27/30 IPS monitors but I absolutely hate the AG coating on the HP and Dells. The biggest con with the Apple is that it only has DP
If you want any recommendations just PM me. I've had the U3011 and the ACD 27 and 30
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Damn, what are you expecting to do with it?
Look at it all day, every day.
Apple's design is not the end all be all, but solid design is exactly what every other manufacturer lacks.
And plastic is tacky.
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Look at it all day, every day.
Apple's design is not the end all be all, but solid design is exactly what every other manufacturer lacks.
And plastic is tacky.
I get that, if I had the money I wouldn't be considering one of these Corean monitors.
I'm waiting for some info about customs from another Dutch person that ordered one and some feedback concerning the seller on eBay I am considering purchasing mine from.
Taking a look at the PCBANK 3VIEW PB2700.
Fully aware of the risks.
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I get that, if I had the money I wouldn't be considering one of these Corean monitors.
I'm waiting for some info about customs from another Dutch person that ordered one and some feedback concerning the seller on eBay I am considering purchasing mine from.
Taking a look at the PCBANK 3VIEW PB2700.
Fully aware of the risks.
Buy cheap, buy often...
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It's the lack of recourse if there's an issue with it. I'm not about to spend 400 bucks on a monitor that I can't quickly or easily return, and risk it happening again. With Apple I can get AppleCare for a little extra and have the peace of mind for 3 years, and a solid stand to boot.
If you bought a 27" apple screen w/apple care on Amazon it would be $1035. You could buy THREE Q270s for that price. There's no recourse since if one breaks you buy another one and you're still saving money over the Apple display.
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If you bought a 27" apple screen w/apple care on Amazon it would be $1035. You could buy THREE Q270s for that price. There's no recourse since if one breaks you buy another one and you're still saving money over the Apple display.
I don't want to buy three cheap monitors. I want to buy one monitor that I know will work, and is easy to get replaced or fixed quickly. I value what the extra cost for Apple products brings. Apple products and AC are not cheap, but there is no PC/components company that provides the level of service and hardware quality that Apple does for my taste.
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I don't want to buy three cheap monitors. I want to buy one monitor that I know will work, and is easy to get replaced or fixed quickly. I value what the extra cost for Apple products brings. Apple products and AC are not cheap, but there is no PC/components company that provides the level of service and hardware quality that Apple does for my taste.
Then you should definitely be buying a NEC.
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Then you should definitely be buying a NEC.
There aren't 2 NEC stores within 20 minutes of my house in case a return is required. Also, their displays are even more expensive than Apple, and they're still made of plastic.
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There aren't 2 NEC stores within 20 minutes of my house in case a return is required. Also, their displays are even more expensive than Apple, and they're still made of plastic.
But but but NEC provides even better service and hardware quality!
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NEC and eizo's pro lines are the gold standard in monitors. the panel models often have the same part numbers as other products, but: 1) they implement the highest level of display correction 2) best warranty service 3) they buy the highest grade panels from the panel manufacturers.
apple is only a little behind on 2 and 3, but their performance on 1 leaves much to be desired. also, their proprietary electronics are a PITA to work around.
ps, metal vs plastic exterior chassis has absolutely nothing to do with panel quality.
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NEC and eizo's pro lines are the gold standard in monitors. the panel models often have the same part numbers as other products, but: 1) they implement the highest level of display correction 2) best warranty service 3) they buy the highest grade panels from the panel manufacturers.
apple is only a little behind on 2 and 3, but their performance on 1 leaves much to be desired. also, their proprietary electronics are a PITA to work around.
Proprietary electronics doesn't matter to me. It'll be connected to a Mac. NEC is very tempting but it's easier to ensure a close match between a thunderbolt display and an iMac than it is with the same panel from a different manufacturing run.
ps, metal vs plastic exterior chassis has absolutely nothing to do with panel quality.
No, but for christ's sake, plastic is tacky as hell when you're spending more than a few hundred dollars on something.
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Proprietary electronics doesn't matter to me. It'll be connected to a Mac. NEC is very tempting but it's easier to ensure a close match between a thunderbolt display and an iMac than it is with the same panel from a different manufacturing run.
wat. you ensure color consistency by measuring panel output and writing a lut to correct discrepancies between intended and output color and luminosity.
No, but for christ's sake, plastic is tacky as hell when you're spending more than a few hundred dollars on something.
ok then cover the chassis with aluminum foil if you want. there's no technical reasoning to prefer metal over plastic.
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wat. you ensure color consistency by measuring panel output and writing a lut to correct discrepancies between intended and output color and luminosity.
I don't know how to do that, nor do I care to learn. I have never had problems with an Apple display :/
there's no technical reasoning to prefer metal over plastic.
Who said there was?
I know I'm being a little stubborn...
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i guess i'm just pointing out that your posts can be summarized as: "I LIKE APPLE LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" and hence probably don't belong here.
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I don't know how to do that, nor do I care to learn. I have never had problems with an Apple display :/
Who said there was?
I know I'm being a little stubborn...
i'm just in the room that thinks a good quality $350 monitor is great. 3-5 day shipping is better than most companies that will make you warranty it in the US anyways.
but i just use this thing for gaming and dinking around. i'm no pro or anything.
you are one of the few who wants to pay a ton more for what you like...this monitor is not for you. i was going to buy a dell U2412m until I saw this.
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i'm just in the room that thinks a good quality $350 monitor is great. 3-5 day shipping is better than most companies that will make you warranty it in the US anyways.
but i just use this thing for gaming and dinking around. i'm no pro or anything.
you are one of the few who wants to pay a ton more for what you like...this monitor is not for you. i was going to buy a dell U2412m until I saw this.
Thing is, I don't have a major allegiance to Apple -- I just haven't found another company that does what they do as well as they do. I really only want to get a Thunderbolt display if I buy a 27" imac, but I could also get a mac mini and run cheaper displays. . I just can't decide if I want to sink that much money into a system or not...
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Have I mentioned my Apple iPad beats this resolution?
If itty-bitty-squint-o-vision is your thing.
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free bump for sherryton. PM keevo if you want one of these folks.
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These sell for less then $200 in korea which makes me really sad... cant find something half this decent for under $500 in the USA.
A mod over at OCN tried to organized a GB for these but it fell through because of administrative issues (group buys are against their ToS). Would anyone be interested if I started one? I think prices would be in the $300-$350 range shipped, less then eBay and maybe room for even cheaper if we get enough interest. I wouldn't mind trying if there was enough people and would alert people over at OCN as well because I know there was quite a bit of interest from them. The mod also tried to continue the GB outside of OCN but I don't think much ever came of it.
Korea is where all the ODM for screens are located. Off course it is going to be much cheaper there, specially transporting screen is expensive for obvious reasons.
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Have I mentioned my Apple iPad beats this resolution?
Alas stock is at 209.
EDIT: Damn, my math was off. 3.58 vs 3.14 Mpixels.
Because no graphic card even with SLI/crossfire is able to run current/next generation games at that resolution.
Also people don't stick their face to monitor unlike handheld device.
Anyways, it is much harder to produce larger screen than high res screens.
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Apple products and AC are not cheap, but there is no PC/components company that provides the level of service and hardware quality that Apple does for my taste.
All product of same model number is of same quality. Apple uses no better components than any other PC assume same spec.
Same product binned differently have different model number. For example, Intel i5 2500k and Intel 2600k. 2600k are cherry pick 2500k.
Edit: "All product of same model number is of same quality." It should be about same quality. Since no two Intel 2500k is exactly the same, but the idea applies. It make sense if you think about it, or how else does manufacturer and buyer tell them apart.
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All product of same model number is of same quality. Apple uses no better components than any other PC assume same spec.
Same product binned differently have different model number. For example, Intel i5 2500k and Intel 2600k. 2600k are cherry pick 2500k.
You're blowing my mind right now.
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I had to replace the motherboard in the same ACD twice in the last month. :(
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Mine arrived last week and I'm ****ing loving it - buyer beware, most of the "dual link DVI" cables on amazon are frauds, buy from monoprice or be _very careful_ buying on amazon if you need a longer dual link DVI cable than the monitor ships with.
My Catleap q270 arrived last week and is flawless, I'm tempted to buy a second. The only problem I've had is the replacement cable I ordered from amazon.com which wasn't a dual-link as advertised.
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I bought mine last monday, but it didn't even get dropped at the post office till last friday. At least its in the US now in customs. I really really hope it doesn't stay there for a long time
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My Catleap q270 arrived last week and is flawless, I'm tempted to buy a second. The only problem I've had is the replacement cable I ordered from amazon.com which wasn't a dual-link as advertised.
i read a warning about this in one of the catleap threads, i forget which though. use monoprice to get guaranteed dual link dvis for cheap.
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I bought mine last monday, but it didn't even get dropped at the post office till last friday. At least its in the US now in customs. I really really hope it doesn't stay there for a long time
I've been reading that there are a few people (in the USA) who bought from dream-seller and have had their monitors stuck in customs for a couple weeks now. There is also someone claiming that they got two catleap monitors that have AG coatings.
I'm looking to get a Crossover Q27 from dc_samsung sometime in the next couple weeks. Someone on OCN posted an email he got from one of the Crossover sellers (ta_planet) saying that Crossover is having a recall or something to that effect because of pixels forming white lines.
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I've been reading that there are a few people (in the USA) who bought from dream-seller and have had their monitors stuck in customs for a couple weeks now. There is also someone claiming that they got two catleap monitors that have AG coatings.
I think i bought from greensum, but it finally changed today to "inbound out of customs" so maybe i'll get it friday if im lucky.
And honestly I wouldn't mind a AG coating on the monitor. I have my desktop set up to be facing the blinds in my room so on sunny days even my current monitor with an AG coating still has some glare
Got mine today 1 week and 4 days after I ordered from Ebay. It took 6 days from when they actually shipped it for me to get it.
Looks like no dead/stuck pixels so lucky me :D
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I've been reading that there are a few people (in the USA) who bought from dream-seller and have had their monitors stuck in customs for a couple weeks now. There is also someone claiming that they got two catleap monitors that have AG coatings.
I'm looking to get a Crossover Q27 from dc_samsung sometime in the next couple weeks. Someone on OCN posted an email he got from one of the Crossover sellers (ta_planet) saying that Crossover is having a recall or something to that effect because of pixels forming white lines.
I don't like reading stuff like this because I really want to buy one of these. Anyone up to making a thread and people could post info about their monitor and purchase experience. Something simple like:
Ebay seller
Price
Shipping time/issues
Any issues with the monitor itself/ dead pixels
Rate it 1-10
What do you guys think? It sure would help me ;-)
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Ebay seller: green-sum
Price: $368, catleap q270se
Shipping time/issues: Bought on Monday 3/26, seller didn't get to the post office till Friday 3/30, arrived 4/5. Was stuck in customs for 1 or 2 days, I forget.
Any issues with the monitor itself/ dead pixels: Came perfect, no dead pixels and everything works great.
Rate it: 9/10 just because it took them 4 days to get it to the post office
Hope it helps you decide
edit: I also read on OCN that dead/defective panels seem to be completely random from seller to seller, but it seems that the Achieva QH270 has a flawed panel/DOA 20% of the time while the Catleap Q270 has a 11% rate according to everyone who voted in this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/reviewed-400-2560x1440-ips-no-ag-90hz-achieva-shimian-qh270-and-catleap-q270
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Ebay seller: green-sum
Price: $368, catleap q270se
Shipping time/issues: Bought on Monday 3/26, seller didn't get to the post office till Friday 3/30, arrived 4/5. Was stuck in customs for 1 or 2 days, I forget.
Any issues with the monitor itself/ dead pixels: Came perfect, no dead pixels and everything works great.
Rate it: 9/10 just because it took them 4 days to get it to the post office
Hope it helps you decide
edit: I also read on OCN that dead/defective panels seem to be completely random from seller to seller, but it seems that the Achieva QH270 has a flawed panel/DOA 20% of the time while the Catleap Q270 has a 11% rate according to everyone who voted in this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/reviewed-400-2560x1440-ips-no-ag-90hz-achieva-shimian-qh270-and-catleap-q270
So how do you like your catleap? You got a C rev. right...so no overclocking?
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So how do you like your catleap? You got a C rev. right...so no overclocking?
Coming from 1080p I don't think I can ever go back. There's also a pretty big color difference between my old NT monitor and this one; for example, whites look really nice on the catleap while on my old monitor they have this annoying yellow tint when I compare them side by side. Not sure about the overclocking though, my new graphics card is supposed to come in today and I'll see if I can overclock it, but in the meantime I don't want to take it apart to find out.
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Coming from 1080p I don't think I can ever go back. There's also a pretty big color difference between my old NT monitor and this one; for example, whites look really nice on the catleap while on my old monitor they have this annoying yellow tint when I compare them side by side. Not sure about the overclocking though, my new graphics card is supposed to come in today and I'll see if I can overclock it, but in the meantime I don't want to take it apart to find out.
Which card did you get? I am waiting to build a new ivy bride setup :-)
Also I should have added which model; Tempered glass, speakers etc.
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I got a used gtx 580 for $300. It seemed to be the best option for the price. My 5850 can barely handle half my games at native resolution, and completely fails at the other half.
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I got a used gtx 580 for $300. It seemed to be the best option for the price. My 5850 can barely handle half my games at native resolution, and completely fails at the other half.
did your 5850 work with the monitor?
Would you care to try it out?
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did your 5850 work with the monitor?
Would you care to try it out?
It worked perfectly, I could even access BIOS just fine. I know some people said that on 58xx cards nothing would be displayed till windows loaded
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Any word on 120hfz versions?
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I think most of the new ones now are the non-OC version, but some people on OCN are trying to start a groupbuy for custom PCBs that will allow 120hz.
They're in the process of testing a custom PCB right now, and you can keep up here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1225919/yamakasi-catleap-monitor-club
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I think most of the new ones now are the non-OC version, but some people on OCN are trying to start a groupbuy for custom PCBs that will allow 120hz.
They're in the process of testing a custom PCB right now, and you can keep up here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1225919/yamakasi-catleap-monitor-club
Also the manufacturer has agreed to do a limited run with the overclockable 2b boards you can follow that http://www.overclock.net/t/1232084/yamakasi-catleap-q270-100hz-guaranteed
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ok cool thanks for the links guys.
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Looking at the pictures the back of the monitor isn't flat, has anyone got a photo of one wall mounted?
How do you work out which ones have the glass panels?
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The arc on the back is removable, actually you have to to access the mounting holes
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Anyone know what the lowest "best offer" has been? Prices seem to be dropping consistently as well on these (slowly, but still dropping).
I tried looking over at OCN but that place is a mess when it comes to finding information on these things. Discussion from seller impressions / product feedback / overclocking talk / everything seems to be clumped into one thread.
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They basically canned the 120hz monitors at OCN http://tinyurl.com/brednu4
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They basically canned the 120hz monitors at OCN http://tinyurl.com/brednu4
Hopefully that's not the case, what I got from that post is that they're still trying to work something out. Since arrangements were already made to have the models created with the manufacture (it's seems like it's been confirmed that they are coming), I think even if its not supported on the OCN forums they will still be made and sold some other way.
I think its ridiculous of OCN to not notice a thread that was generating so much hype, only to close it two months later claiming it breaks ToS...
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Yeah well, OCN wants their cut. It's not about the community it's about the green.
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Just bought a Crossover 27Q-P off ebay. Should be here by mid next week. I'll update this later with my thoughts when the monitor arrives.
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Just bought a Crossover 27Q-P off ebay. Should be here by mid next week. I'll update this later with my thoughts when the monitor arrives.
Nice, I'm still debating whether or not I want a Catleap. I finally got enough funds for it. What made you choose Crossover in the end?
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Nice, I'm still debating whether or not I want a Catleap. I finally got enough funds for it. What made you choose Crossover in the end?
It just looked more quality. The back of the monitor is metal. The stand is much better than the Catleap, which has a tendency to lean. Plus, you have to disassemble the monitor bezel on the Catleap to uninstall the stock stand and gain access to the VESA mounting holes.
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i would have loved to pick one or two of these up but gloss will not work with me . had to go with u2711 at the end
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Picked up one of these. 1 stuck pixel but other than that everything is perfect! Great deal.
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I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.
It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!
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I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.
It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!
Nice...be sure to post impression or pics or something. I received my Crossover on Friday and it's amazing. Definitely can never go back to a non-IPS panel.
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Nice...be sure to post impression or pics or something. I received my Crossover on Friday and it's amazing. Definitely can never go back to a non-IPS panel.
Definitely will. I'm only planning on pushing it to 100hz to play D3, League, and CS:GO. The games aren't very demanding but I think 100hz is as high as my gtx580 will handle, and I'll be happy enough with that.
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I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.
It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!
What was the link you purchased from? I'm thinking about this too if the 120hz is avail now..
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What was the link you purchased from? I'm thinking about this too if the 120hz is avail now..
Sent you a PM.
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Woo restocked!
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I'm a bit annoyed they're advertising this as 120hz, or some people are claiming it's 120hz. It's a 60hz display that was capable of running higher refresh rates. The company is still advertising them as 60hz, it's just using the parts from the same batch. I only know of one person that got over 100hz. And I also don't know if anyone got 3 of these working in Eyefinity at those refresh rates either. I would hope it would work but still unsure.
I'm more interested in the parts some people were sourcing so we could try it on panels we already own, the Catleap's build quality is meh. The entirety of the display is held together by a plastic back panel.
Hopefully people are happy with their purchases though.
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I'm a bit annoyed they're advertising this as 120hz, or some people are claiming it's 120hz. It's a 60hz display that was capable of running higher refresh rates. The company is still advertising them as 60hz, it's just using the parts from the same batch. I only know of one person that got over 100hz. And I also don't know if anyone got 3 of these working in Eyefinity at those refresh rates either. I would hope it would work but still unsure.
I'm more interested in the parts some people were sourcing so we could try it on panels we already own, the Catleap's build quality is meh. The entirety of the display is held together by a plastic back panel.
Hopefully people are happy with their purchases though.
The limiting factor seems to be the GPUs and firmware right now, not the monitor itself. There are a good number of people at OCN that have gotten it to 100hz. That's as far as I plan on going. 60hz to 100hz is a pretty huge difference, 100-120hz not so much. And we're all aware that its a 60hz panel but the whole point is that we can overclock it. It's like buying a GPU - we know the power it has coming out of the box, but we also know that we can safely gain another 5-10% of performance if we OC carefully... and at no extra cost.
In this case there is an extra cost, and it's cheap quality. But let's be honest where else are you going to find a 2560x1440 monitor that's IPS and can run close to 100hz? Without spend at least $800-$1k. In the case of 120hz monitors you're stuck with TN panels that cost the same price at 24", and you lose the IPS colors. With IPS colors you're not going to find anything on the market currently that passes 60hz, and those all cost close to a grand for the same res.
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I realize it is a good deal from one perspective. But this is the one of the few cases of "LCD Overclocking." Especially to these extremes. Maybe it's just me, but I would think the engineers who built these controllers and panels would understand their limits better than some random guys forcing EDID settings. This is nothing like GPU/CPU overclocking. There's also the issue of response rate of the pixels. You need at least 8ms to pull off 120hz, if not, you'll get ghosting. I remember ghosting on an LCD at 60hz back when they first were popular and it was so annoying I returned it the same day and went back to my CRT. And LCD's still have input lag that CRT's didn't have.
The company is also taking advantage of this situation. They claim the price of return shipping / 1-yr Warranty is covered in the added cost, but still, maybe 1 out of 100 need RMAing? They just made an additional $9,900 off the other 99 people who didn't need repairs. Forcing everyone to pay that cost up-front is ridiculous.
And pushing 2560 x 1440 @ 120fps is also a pretty tough job for most video cards in modern games. GTX 680 barely breaks 60-80fps @ 2560 x 1600 and higher settings in games like Starcraft 2 and Battlefield 3. Sure you could lower the settings and get closer to 120fps which would have the advantage of being smoother.
I'm just saying, there's a lot of hype surrounding this. It's not ridiculous to look at it objectively. I'm sure real 120hz IPS panels will be out in the coming years.
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yah sorry but it seems kind of silly to me.
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The regular 27" IPS 2560 x 1440 screens are awesome deals... $300-350ea. vs. $700-800 for a U.S. brand equivalent. I picked up 3 Crossovers for $350ea as they were the best build-quality of the bunch and the ability to go bezel-less fairly easily. All 3 shipped took 2 business days to arrive, no dead/stuck pixels or major issues.
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Looks like the post got eaten in the rollback but I don't think it was answered anyway, so I'll ask:
Does this pose a tangible benefit in non-gaming applications?
I have a feeling that it's like going from v0 to FLAC -- only matters to a few people in a few situations with (generally) subjective opinions. In this case gaming would be analogous to playing music over loudspeakers - the problems with lossy encoding really make themselves apparent in this application.
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The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.
Besides that, games are the only thing that would take advantage of this.
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The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.
Besides that, games are the only thing that would take advantage of this.
was going to say that as well
anyone have more info on the crossovers im looking for one with more than one input.
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I'm just saying, there's a lot of hype surrounding this. It's not ridiculous to look at it objectively. I'm sure real 120hz IPS panels will be out in the coming years.
I can see what you're saying. It's perfect for me though, even my GTX 580 will be able to keep a stable 100hz for the games I play. I'll have my IPS color + 100hz for $465 which isnt bad. I don't see that happening within the next year, or maybe even two or three.
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The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.
Hadn't even thought of that. Thanks!
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Also, people are reporting the catleap hitting 80-90 refresh rates.
Yes, and there's a community building up now that's managed to get the manufacturer to resume production of the model that can be "overclocked".
27" 2560x1440 IPS monitor, that can be made to perform 100-105Hz refresh on most modern video cards, and up to 120Hz with cards that allow pixel clocks above 400MHz - currently the only confirmed card of such capacity is the nVidia GTX 680.
The Catleap can be had for $350-ish from e-bay, and is good value according to testament. The 100-120Hz-enabled revision is currently being manufactured in limited quantity (1000 pieces) on account of popular demand from the people at http://120hz.net.
I've ordered one such screen myself, following the same kind of community geekage that led me to get a mechanical keyboard due to this site.
As for input lag, this baby has only one DVI-DL input, no OSD and no resolution scaling, so pre-display processing is minimal.
I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules for posting this, but people love this screen, and soon I'll have one :)
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My 2b Extreme was suppose to come in today. I'm disappointed that it probably won't make it till tomorrow.
Not impressed by DHL service so far. It took them over 48 hours to have the thing leave Korea - over 24 hours for it to arrive in the USA, and then it sat it LA the entire weekend. Today it finally gets moved to Van Nuys which is basically NEXT to LA, where it can then be delivered to my local courier 3-4 hours away? And they call that "express mail".
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Which would be why DHL doesn't really operate in the US anymore...
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Would it be worth it to get the OC version with a GTX 570?
I can also still add another 570 :-)
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Would it be worth it to get the OC version with a GTX 570?
I can also still add another 570 :-)
I just purchased a GTX 670, upgrading from a 580. And it wasn't really necessary for my needs but it will help me reach an extra 20hz on the Catleap.
With a 570 you will hit the cap of 100hz. Which isn't a big deal because 60-100hz is huge and a worthy upgrade itself. But it depends on what you plan on doing with the setup because you probably won't hit a constant 100 FPS to backup the 100hz in most games, which defeats the purpose. If you SLI a 570 you will still have problems playing modern games at the Catleap's res, but you should be able to hit a constant 85 FPS which is still a worthwhile upgrade from 60hz.
If you're playing older games like I am, or less demanding games (diablo 3 in particular), a single 570 should be able to get 100fps on your 100hz catleap.
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fstop, you're not going to run 100fps+ average on any single GPU setup (@2560x1440 on any recent game). Not even the 680. This shouldn't even be a factor unless someone has over $1000 in GPUs.
That stuff was really important to me in CS 1.6 though with my CRT monitors :D
edit: Just curious what older games are you playing that have you worrying about performance?
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I'm considering getting one of these, only worry being if something were to go wrong, having to ship it back to Korea for warranty stuff?
On the plus side, I could get 2 of these for the same price as a DELL U2711 :P
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I'm considering getting one of these, only worry being if something were to go wrong, having to ship it back to Korea for warranty stuff?
On the plus side, I could get 2 of these for the same price as a DELL U2711 :P
You do have to pay for shipping if they determine there isn't a problem with the hardware but I think they reimburse you if they're at fault. I didn't have any dead pixels (whew). I ordered it on Monday morning and got it on Wednesday when I bought from dcsamsungmall. You can also get a squaretrade warranty for it when you check out on ebay but I haven't heard of that being put to the test.
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Has anyone here gotten one of these monitors with composite input and verified that it works?
I just sent back a 2720MDP that had display problems on the top of the screen when using component. Trying to verify that component works on any of these models.
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Considering that most people are interested in the models that don't have any input aside from DVI, I don't think you'll get info on that.
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fyi, these finally have a proper US distributor
http://slickdeals.net/f/4492270-Auria-27-WQHD-2560x1440-LCD-Monitor-399-99-B-M-Micro-Center
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fyi, these finally have a proper US distributor
http://slickdeals.net/f/4492270-Auria-27-WQHD-2560x1440-LCD-Monitor-399-99-B-M-Micro-Center
Looking good i need 3 or 4 of these once i find a way to sell off my current monitors.
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Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.
I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.
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Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.
I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.
Jealous... :smokin:
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Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.
I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.
Are you at exactly 120hz or just a tad below?
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Are you at exactly 120hz or just a tad below?
I was able to get to 115hz without even trying - simply inputting the recommended settings for timing at OCN. After that, I had a little trouble but I eventually found stability after playing around with numbers at 120hz. It didn't take long, and in comparison to other OC'ing processes it was extremely easy.
I think a with a 670 or 680 people are able to get to 125hz very easily. My monitor gave me a bit of a hard time but everything else about the monitor has been great so I can't complain. Hypermatrix got to 135hz even, although that's a pretty excessive.
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Microcenter now has a similar monitor: 400$!
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0384780
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I'm sort of intrigued by the Microcentre offering, especially because it comes with some form of guarantee that does not involve "mail it back to Korea".
Still, I can't justify a $440 (incl. postage) monitor as long as my current 24 keeps running.
afk to serve monitor a delicious milkshake.
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monitors love milkshakes
when you factor in the cost of a decent stand or arm and the possibility of panel defects, then add tax, i think these are less of a deal than a good new normal. the margins on IPS monitors in the US so far has been pretty high; HP happily charged 700+ for this same panel, maybe one grade higher. meanwhile, dell has been able to offer their T1 affiliates IPS monitor pricing that is literally 60% of their sale-adjusted retail price, while still making a per-unit profit!
anyway, i can only see good things coming of these. more cheap IPS panels in the US means more IPS panels in the US period.
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Ehhh...120hz > crazy resolution
I'm wary of OCing something so pricey...
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When my CRT's eventually fail, I'll replace them with something like this.
'course by then, they'll be even cheaper and more abundant.
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Ehhh...120hz > crazy resolution
I'm wary of OCing something so pricey...
I think OC'ing $1000+ rigs or even high end GPUs is much more dangerous than this :lol: The OC process for these is extremely easy. Literally a click of a few buttons and inputting some numbers, and if the monitor can't handle it you'll know right away. It's not at all like overclocking computer components where you have to adjust and test for stability for hours.
Also any mods you have to do are very easy. I'm not much of a DIY guy, but I completely opened up my Catleap the other day to install the stand and get rid of some buzzing. I ended up taking the entire thing apart just for fun and I put everything back together with no problems.
I feel like I'm working for Yamasaki (I'm not at all), but honestly I can't explain how happy I am with mine. I look back at my 27" 19x12 secondary monitor and it just can't compare at all. The 24" e-IPS dell I have also looks like crap now. Everything just looks so much better at 2440x1560. I understand the hesitation though, it is kind of a risk but there are very few people who run into problems when ordering these if you take a look at the feedback at OCN. But it was well worth it and has become my second favorite component (after keyboards of course) to my setup. My only complaint about this monitor is the glossy screen though. It's annoying as hell because of how fast it gets dirty.
If you are hesitant to order and have any questions feel free to ask!
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I'm trying to save myself $400 here, cut it out! xD
What I don't understand is why they don't sell it as a 120hz monitor. GPUs and CPU's benefit from longer lifetimes, so I understand those being sold at a lower stock clock, but what reason is there to do this with a monitor?
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I think OC'ing $1000+ rigs or even high end GPUs is much more dangerous than this :lol: The OC process for these is extremely easy. Literally a click of a few buttons and inputting some numbers, and if the monitor can't handle it you'll know right away. It's not at all like overclocking computer components where you have to adjust and test for stability for hours.
Also any mods you have to do are very easy. I'm not much of a DIY guy, but I completely opened up my Catleap the other day to install the stand and get rid of some buzzing. I ended up taking the entire thing apart just for fun and I put everything back together with no problems.
I feel like I'm working for Yamasaki (I'm not at all), but honestly I can't explain how happy I am with mine. I look back at my 27" 19x12 secondary monitor and it just can't compare at all. The 24" e-IPS dell I have also looks like crap now. Everything just looks so much better at 2440x1560. I understand the hesitation though, it is kind of a risk but there are very few people who run into problems when ordering these if you take a look at the feedback at OCN. But it was well worth it and has become my second favorite component (after keyboards of course) to my setup. My only complaint about this monitor is the glossy screen though. It's annoying as hell because of how fast it gets dirty.
If you are hesitant to order and have any questions feel free to ask!
Definitely going to buy one of these. Should be my next purchase after some new case fans. Got any pics of your full setup?
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monitors love milkshakes
when you factor in the cost of a decent stand or arm and the possibility of panel defects, then add tax, i think these are less of a deal than a good new normal. the margins on IPS monitors in the US so far has been pretty high; HP happily charged 700+ for this same panel, maybe one grade higher. meanwhile, dell has been able to offer their T1 affiliates IPS monitor pricing that is literally 60% of their sale-adjusted retail price, while still making a per-unit profit!
anyway, i can only see good things coming of these. more cheap IPS panels in the US means more IPS panels in the US period.
The risk is, "will this be the model they follow?"
It's a lot like when 24" monitors got popular. They started out with great panels, 1920x1200. Then they started offering them with cheap TN panels, and then as 1920x1080. Now I can buy a 24" LCD for $189, but a non-TN, 1920x1200 unit will set me back twice what I spent in 2008.
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Now I can buy a 24" LCD for $189, but a non-TN, 1920x1200 unit will set me back twice what I spent in 2008.
That's only because "twice what you spent in 2008" is what these 27" IPS ones cost now.
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The risk is, "will this be the model they follow?"
It's a lot like when 24" monitors got popular. They started out with great panels, 1920x1200. Then they started offering them with cheap TN panels, and then as 1920x1080. Now I can buy a 24" LCD for $189, but a non-TN, 1920x1200 unit will set me back twice what I spent in 2008.
good point. what's interesting about these is that they're not 1080p. 1080p panels in every size are unfortunately going to be the most common panel no matter what we want or do as enthusiasts..
still, a whole bunch of cheap ips 1080p panels wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. one video card can drive like 6 monitors now. huzzah!
What I don't understand is why they don't sell it as a 120hz monitor. GPUs and CPU's benefit from longer lifetimes, so I understand those being sold at a lower stock clock, but what reason is there to do this with a monitor?
i believe the panel elements themselves are not guaranteed to be able to refresh that quickly.
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So i think i am going to bite the bullet should I go for the catleap or the crossover?
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So i think i am going to bite the bullet should I go for the catleap or the crossover?
Go crossover...but only if you are getting a 27 q or q-p. It has much better build quality than the catleap.
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Go crossover...but only if you are getting a 27 q or q-p. It has much better build quality than the catleap.
Is it really worth the $45? I plan to buy from green-sum. Catleap http://tinyurl.com/6p4mcoh Crossover http://tinyurl.com/cmtz3su
Also what do you all think of the extended warranty? Is it something that I should look into?
I think id also need a stand because i looks like both of them would sit really low on the desk. I was looking at this one http://tinyurl.com/7no8394
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Is it really worth the $45? I plan to buy from green-sum. Catleap http://tinyurl.com/6p4mcoh Crossover http://tinyurl.com/cmtz3su
Also what do you all think of the extended warranty? Is it something that I should look into?
I think id also need a stand because i looks like both of them would sit really low on the desk. I was looking at this one http://tinyurl.com/7no8394
If you plan on using a VESA stand then you have to take off the bezel on the catleap to remove that stupid plastic bar they have covering the vesa holes. Personally, I think the $45 is worth it. I went with cross over instead of with catleap...solely for the metal monitor housing/bezel, better stand, and easy access to the VESA mounting holes.
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If you plan on using a VESA stand then you have to take off the bezel on the catleap to remove that stupid plastic bar they have covering the vesa holes. Personally, I think the $45 is worth it. I went with cross over instead of with catleap...solely for the metal monitor housing/bezel, better stand, and easy access to the VESA mounting holes.
Makes sense, I think ill probably grab the crossover then when I do bite.
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So all the cool kids go for the Crossover 27q led-p? If I want to replace the foot stand anyhow, I can just get the Cross 27q led (non-p), is that right?
Too bad there is only one guy selling the 27q with Pixel Perfect guarantee:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/CROSSOVER-27Q-LED-Perfect-Pixel-2560x1440-QHD-DVI-D-Dual-LG-S-IPS-27-Monitor-/120926762189?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item1c27cbf4cd
What do people think of the Achieva Shimian and, since recently, the Potalion?
EDIT: That guy who is selling the 27q in the link I gave actually promises to have grade A+ panels. Hmmm.... Does anyone here have experience with those?
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I've worked on a couple apple cinema displays. The motherboards aren't fun to replace and the panel is somewhat heavy (just like the iMac: Heavy)
But I don't have any real experience other than that, sorry.
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Just pulled the trigger on a Catleap. I spent the ridiculous premium for a tested perfect specimen ($375 vs. $310 or so to take your chances)
I suspect I'll be repurposing my 24" Soyo Topaz S, either passing it to a family member for their PC, or setting it up with a box to use as a TV (another family member has a 17" CRT from 1986; it soldiers on in spite of sitting where the toilet flooded some years ago, but the conversion box quality is mediocre).
The one thing which annoyed me is the relatively poor input selection. Even if I paid another 90 bucks or so for the multi-input model, it's just VGA and HDMI. I recall in the old days, some of the fancier LCDs came with S-video and composite in, maybe even component. It would be nice to wire up the old Famiclone...
Someone should make a passthrough box that takes DVI and can overlay any of an array of inputs. And sell it for about $50.
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Someone should make a passthrough box that takes DVI and can overlay any of an array of inputs. And sell it for about $50.
Not at this resolution: Decoding that much video would surely take a beefy chip. Such a thing would likely be more expensive, though I wonder if one can make video-input to a normal (old) computer and just use that. A Pentium 4 would probably have enough power to do it, even undervolted some for lower power consumption.
Still, I imagine it'd be much easier to stream all your data over a network, and just get a video card with the proper outputs for the computer attached to it.
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So I shoulld fire up the Sandy Bridge PC with a 650 watt power supply to process an image that a normal television has no trouble displaying? The technology for cheap PiP composition has been around since the 80s at least-- especially if you offer it with some compromises (i. e. "only a 640x480 window or full-screen pillarboxed")
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Is anyone still buying these?
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
yea bought one of those for a friend nice screen crappy stand
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Those nixeus 27 are on amazon now too for $500. All positive reviews. Thinking of going this route myself.
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
yea bought one of those for a friend nice screen crappy stand
protip: works well on an ergotron LX
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I'd still go with the ebay route. You can find Achieva "perfect pixel" editions on there for around $350...and just under $300 if you wanna take a gamble with the regular ones.
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Grrrr.. so tempting Wonder if my video card can hack it.
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oh, and i totally forgot the ultimate protip: this is an ergotron LX, just rebranded.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-BT861AT-Single-Monitor-Arm/dp/B00455GH58/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1352132187&sr=8-8&keywords=ergotron+lx
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These monitors were a huge hit on Techpowerup. I've seen one in person and even if it isn't a 120Hz model it is a true IPS display. Looks gorgeous with a tight pixel pitch.
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Grrrr.. so tempting Wonder if my video card can hack it.
Correct me if in wrong but only the first few batches of these korean monitors allied you to overcook beyond 60hz. None of the current products will allow you to overclpck from a hardware standpoint :(
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he's wondering whether his (pathetic, by the way) video card can render your basic copy of bejeweled at such a high resolution, not whether he can overclock the monitor.
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damnit, Plants vs Zombies, get it right man.
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well that's your problem right there. you should be playing bejeweled :p
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
yea bought one of those for a friend nice screen crappy stand
protip: works well on an ergotron LX
wil inform the person I got it for.
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alaricljs what gpu are you running?
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uuuuh, 6870, had to look it up.
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should be more than enough jujst dont forget the duallink dvi cable
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Got those set, running a pair of dell 24's right now... 2407 and 2408
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aren't those single link?
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yeah, but I plan for the future... 15' fully populated DVI-D/A cables. So my ergotron's are all nice and smexy.
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
My local microcenter had an open box one for ~$260 the other day. I was like 10 seconds too late. Still stuck on a 19" here.
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I recently bought the Microcenter Auria 27"... I tested it in-store for dead pixels and there were none. Lots of different inputs and no problems here in the first month of using it. I think that makes it worth the 400$ for sure.
My local microcenter had an open box one for ~$260 the other day. I was like 10 seconds too late. Still stuck on a 19" here.
sucks!
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aren't those single link?
Nope they are dual link. Heres a list of recommended cards: http://thecomvi.com/ROCK/DOA.jpg
I have the crossover monitor, and I must say it is beautiful. Mine has one dead pixel, but with 1440p you cant notice it unless you put your face like 1 inch away from the monitor and search for dead pixels.
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Even cards that aren't listed as recommended will work as long as they support 2560x1600 (im pretty sure any GPU made in the past 5 years will) and has dual-link DVI.
I had no problem running my monitor with a 5850 even though most ebay sellers list it as incompatible.
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Even cards that aren't listed as recommended will work as long as they support 2560x1600 (im pretty sure any GPU made in the past 5 years will) and has dual-link DVI.
I had no problem running my monitor with a 5850 even though most ebay sellers list it as incompatible.
My hd5850 is working on these monitors too.
It's just that I have a dark screen until windows starts up. No BIOS access.
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Even cards that aren't listed as recommended will work as long as they support 2560x1600 (im pretty sure any GPU made in the past 5 years will) and has dual-link DVI.
I had no problem running my monitor with a 5850 even though most ebay sellers list it as incompatible.
My hd5850 is working on these monitors too.
It's just that I have a dark screen until windows starts up. No BIOS access.
Yeah I heard that some people with 5850/5870s had that problem. I didn't experience this, though my card was non-ref so that might have something to do with it.
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Even cards that aren't listed as recommended will work as long as they support 2560x1600 (im pretty sure any GPU made in the past 5 years will) and has dual-link DVI.
I had no problem running my monitor with a 5850 even though most ebay sellers list it as incompatible.
My hd5850 is working on these monitors too.
It's just that I have a dark screen until windows starts up. No BIOS access.
That's what PS2 keyboards and CRT's were made for. I use a CRT as a footrest for this reason. I was looking into what sort of GPU you need to actually get decent framerates out of a game at this resolution, and it seems I'm looking at about $250-$300 for a 7850/7970 or a gtx660. If I want to cheap out, is the best idea to just run games at low resolution (Which I do anyway on my CRT)? To be honest, I really only want this for use as movies/everyday use/having many windows open at once/etc.
Oh, I also keep CRT's around 'cause they can do 1024*768 at 119Hz. That and contrast ratio, no lag, price (free), etc.
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I never had a nice crt still kinda looking for one to this day. It would also be a dream of mine to own one of those widscreen professional ones.
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I had a fw-900 crt (24" 16:10 >1080p) before going for ips screens (plp 20 - 30 - 20 at home and 27 at work) and while it was nice it just cant hold a candle to what is out now in my opinion. The only thing I really miss is the black levels all of the other pros, at least to me, where not worth the trade offs.
Resolution is king and even the best crts cant do 2560x1600 or similar resolutions well even with overclocking.
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Just for reference, the Sony GDM-FW900 (mine was rebranded as an HP 2132A) can do 1920*1200 at 85 Hz. At that refresh rate, I recommend a seriously HQ VGA cable or use the BNC inputs. Best part about good CRT's is that I can get them for free out of the E-waste pile. My FW-900 was stripped for parts after it developed a whine. Currently I am using an Apple 21" CRT (Diamondtron, I think) and a viewsonic (Diamondtron for sure). They can do upwards of 110Hz at some resolutions, and I would not consider using any CRT below 75 Hz.
Right now, I'm getting a video card. In 2013 I'll get one of these monitors. What's been putting me off is that I see a lot of apple products at work, and I was not impressed with the 27" iMac or the apple cinema/thunderbolt displays. The (Supposedly IPS) displays on high-end Lenovos do look nice, though.
I have been doing some reading into these monitors, and hopefully they won't be too expensive when I finally buy one.
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I haven't read through the whole thread, but if you've yet to see this:
http://slickdeals.net/f/5411750-Heads-Up-Monoprice-to-introduce-27-2560-x1440-IPS-Monitor-by-end-of-year?&page=2
I'm going to wait for monoprice to release one of these before buying one.
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The one from microcenter is already pretty cheap idk how much cheaper the monoprice one will be.
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The one from microcenter is already pretty cheap idk how much cheaper the monoprice one will be.
It won't be, but I don't have a microcenter around here and I am worried about returning it if I buy it online.
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The one from microcenter is already pretty cheap idk how much cheaper the monoprice one will be.
It won't be, but I don't have a microcenter around here and I am worried about returning it if I buy it online.
i wouldnt be worried as long as your under warrenty just contact them startup an RMA and ship it back like you would with anyother company?
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I have been thinking of adding a larger display to my Dell 2410 for a while now, and replacing my crappy secondary.
-Can someone more in touch with the recent events enlighten me on how many of these models havea glass surface? I really like the idea that it can easily be cleaned and the glossy surface.
-Does anyone know how to disaple the power features on displayport. I began to hate it and switched back to DVI because it wouldn't allow me to turn off one diplay awhilst keeping the other one turned on.
Is there any model which has:
-Glass front
-16:10 <-- seems uncommon
-Nice colours, ie IPS
-27"-30"
and also if possible, but not necessary:
-overclockable to ~120Hz
-nice stand (tiltable, height, rotateable etc)
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16:10 would be 2560*1600, which is more commonly seen on 30" panels, as far as I know. Most of these are the 27" 16:9 2560*1440. I don't personally know of any cheap 16:10 ones, but that's no reason to think they don't exist or are even hard to find. As far as not-cheap ones, I think Dell, at least has one.
The apple cinema Display that features the same panel has a nice glass front, some USB ports, and even has a fan inside it. They look very sharp with apple products.
I believe I saw somewhere that some models of the cheap korean 2560*1440 monitors come with glass, which would satisfy (most of) your requirements too.
That's the extent of my research. I didn't really look into 16:10 that much, mainly 'cause it was so much more expensive.
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I have a question for the crowd. I've seen a lot of different laptop panels, and I have some issues with many (newer MBP displays are common, and exhibit this). I can see them flickering! I'm pretty sure the same goes for the apple cinema display, but I haven't worked on one in a while to double check. I keep CRT's at home, and I can't abide anything under 77Hz, and often 77 is too low. I guess my flicker threshold is really high. My main monitor is kept at 1600*1200@85, which is great. (It can do 1024*768@200 Hz, but that resolution is too low. I tried it just for fun once.)
Other than getting an expensive one from 120hz.net, is there a way to get one of these cheaply that can do 75-80Hz? I'm pretty sure that'll be enough to not annoy me.
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You really shouldn't see LCD refresh flicker... but you MIGHT be seeing the back light flicker. Newer MBPs are all LED tho, right? Have you fiddled with the brightness to see if the flicker changes speed? :)
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Yeah, my main issue with all the korean monitors is the lack of 16:10.
The apple cinema Display that features the same panel has a nice glass front, some USB ports, and even has a fan inside it.
Yuck
Regarding the flickering: The only way that I know for that to happen is because of the backlight flickering. It happens when the backlight is set too low and there is bad PWM control on it. Especially "green" features which, in order to save energy, turns down the backlight waaaay down instead of making the LCD crystals block more light in order to achieve deeper blacks. I would suggest you turn of any energy saving features and similar and see if it helps.
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You really shouldn't see LCD refresh flicker... but you MIGHT be seeing the back light flicker. Newer MBPs are all LED tho, right? Have you fiddled with the brightness to see if the flicker changes speed? :)
Yeah, my main issue with all the korean monitors is the lack of 16:10.
The apple cinema Display that features the same panel has a nice glass front, some USB ports, and even has a fan inside it.
Yuck
Regarding the flickering: The only way that I know for that to happen is because of the backlight flickering. It happens when the backlight is set too low and there is bad PWM control on it. Especially "green" features which, in order to save energy, turns down the backlight waaaay down instead of making the LCD crystals block more light in order to achieve deeper blacks. I would suggest you turn of any energy saving features and similar and see if it helps.
Given how easy it is to do PWM at higher frequencies (with a shorter pulse width/ duty cycle) I'm surprised they'd end up with a value so low. I had thought it had something to do with the panel, but backlighting makes a lot of sense. The MBP displays (glossy, from 2010 or so -onwards) might not have been at their birghtest setting. I'll look at it next time I get to work on one.
I guess I sort-of assumed backlighting wouldn't be an issue. My guess was the panel was doing something weird, like quickly (but not fast enough!) rotating the pixels between two states (Dithering?) that I could see.
That said, I am still very much considering one of these, so if anyone has had issues with the backlight flickering please Pm me or post about it here.
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27" Dell U2713HM 2560x1440 IPS LED Monitor w/ USB 3.0 Hub $629 + Free Shipping
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/87864/dell-small-business-27-dell-u2713hm-2560x1440-ips-led-monitor-w-usb-3.0-hub