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Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 18:18:05: ACCEPTING PAYMENTS : IN BY WEDNESDAY PLEASE 8/31

For more info see the previous thread: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20435-Interest-Check-Moogle-Kit-2-Supplement-Cherry-Double-Shots

PROTOTYPE PIC:

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FINAL PIC:
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PRICING:

$19 / set

USPS PRIORITY SHIPPING (UPDATE +$1):

US: $6
CA/MEX $12
OTHER: $14

All customs fees are your responsibility.

COLORS:
(X)WHITE: black legends on beige/grey with white space bar
(X)BLACK: white legends on black

INCLUDES:
2X Alt
2X Control
2X Windows Logo
1X Space Bar
1X Menu Key
1X Caps Lock
1X Right Shift

FONT: Customized to match Cherry

PAYMENT DETAILS:

Paypal: cycloverid@gmail.com

as a gift. Please include this info:

GH name:
name:
country:
states:
city:
address:

NOTE: If PayPal says there is a fee involved, please bare them yourself! SORRY!

1 xbb (2)WHITE (2)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Declare $20 value to avoid taxes.

2 rightbraingeek: (3)WHITE (3)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: took us up to 100!

3 litster: (3)WHITE (3)BLACK --- PAID

4 mmmty: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

5 Atenacius: (1)BLACK --- PAID

6 lopan: (3)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: with litster

7 reaper: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

8 lysol: (1)BLACK --- PAID

9 Laggy-gaga: (2)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

10 hashbaz: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

11 Supergleep: (2)BLACK (1)WHITE --- PAID

12 soulfree914: (5)WHITE (2)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: 2X 1.5 winkeyless alt/control + 7 space -- Declare $50 value

13 Goly: (1)WHITE --- PAID

[strike]14 toast: (1)WHITE [/strike] Haven't heard back!

[strike]15 oddsratio[/strike]

16 jpm804: (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

17 duq: (1)WHITE --- PAID

18 N8N: (2)WHITE (2)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: (1)White went to HoboBob

19 Grond: (1)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Declare $20 value to avoid taxes.

[strike]20 tsangan [/strike]

21 lemonboy (1)WHITE --- PAID

22 The_Ed (1)BLACK --- PAID

23 Ascaii (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Shipping $ after completion

24 kaiserreich (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Change of address

25 Hakhu (2)BLACK (2)WHITE --- PAID NOTE: Declare $20 value to avoid taxes.

[strike]26 xmrxkrazy [/strike]

27 HongE (1)WHITE (2)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Declare $20 value to avoid taxes.

[strike]28 wanabe[/strike]

29 Lpb45 (1)BLACK (1)WHITE --- PAID NOTE: Paying over the weekend, will cover the cost until then.

30 MrPhil (1)BLACK --- PAID

31 BiNiaRiS (1)BLACK (1)WHITE --- PAID

32 dux (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID NOTE: Declare $20 value

33 calavera (2)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

34 agor (1)WHITE --- PAID

35 jat4 (1)BLACK --- PAID

36 the_buff (2)BLACK (1)WHITE --- PAID

37 StinkyTofu (1)WHITE --- PAID

38 lootbag (1)WHITE --- PAID

[strike]39 CeeSA[/strike]

[strike]40 arc2[/strike]

41 ripster (1)WHITE (1)BLACK --- PAID

42 Torgee (1)WHITE --- PAID

43 cycloverid (4)WHITE --- EXEMPT

44 iWuzHere (1)WHITE --- PAID

45 gilgam (2)WHITE (2)BLACK --- PAID

[strike]46 kidchunks[/strike]

47 spdx (2)BLACK --- PAID

48 MissileMike (3)BLACK --- PAID

49 demik (1)WHITE --- PAID

50 sherryton (1)WHITE --- PAID NOTE: Ship with bonus keys

51 HoboBob (1)WHITE --- PAID

TOTAL: 99/99

51W/48B

EXTRAS:

$19
1X WHITE --- tsangan
1X WHITE --- jpm804 --- PAID
1X BLACK --- ishtob --- PAID

$12
1X WHITE (missing caps lock) --- dox --- PAID
1X BLACK (missing menu key) --- jpm804 --- PAID
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Mon, 22 August 2011, 18:23:40: These are just going to be bottom row and caps lock, correct, none of the other keys that were discussed in the thread?

thanks again for putting this together, I'm still in for the quantities above even so. I might order another black if the extra keys are available.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 18:26:13: Yeah, sorry, the cost of all of this was more than I was hoping for. Adding one key is somehow like $3-4 extra per set with the legend fee factored in.

If we could agree on a single color of keys for everyone, more would be possible. But as we see with the numbers, it's like a 50/50 split.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Mon, 22 August 2011, 18:28:41: no worries at all, just wanted to make sure that there weren't going to be options. I'm happy either way.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 18:47:33: Out of curiousity, does anyone know how much the original Moogle kit was going for?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 22 August 2011, 19:48:43: 1 white for me please
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lootbag on Mon, 22 August 2011, 20:58:32: cycloverid I believe the original Moogle kit was in the low-mid 20s?
Do not quote me on that though.
However, there were not nearly as many people in that GB compared to yours.

I await payment instructions!
My modded Cherry Caps Lock is bothering me.
Does $19 include shipping to Canada?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 21:07:34: Oh, good point lootbag, now would be the time to get the shipping fees figured out......

I'll be posting those before the end date.

I wonder if SP made a mistake on something (the price seems pretty high)... Melissa was originally going to charge me $45 X 9 keys for the legend fee. Hint: there are only 6 unique legends for this kit! And only half were $45 anyway!

EDIT: USPS to Canada says 11.35
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dreamingftw on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:01:02: Does the price include shipping in the US. I live in California specifically.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:10:05: It's looking like US shipping will be $5

International something like $11-13

This isn't the final say yet though, just a first estimate based on USPS's pricing.

These prices are not included. Sorry.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:12:35: From looking at the round 3 gb price sheet the whitemoogle kit was 8 and te blackmoogle kit was 12... Both game with 12 keys
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:18:07: jpm804: Two of those keys were blanks of course. I have asked Melissa to double check her numbers, because she has made mistakes in the past. I suspect that the custom legends might be the cause of the inflated cost (outside of the legend fee), assuming no mistakes were made.

EDIT:

-Just looking at the Starcraft II keys, they were going for ~$3 each @50 quantity.

-The round 3 Modifier kit is listed @ $18
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:29:59: $19 seems pretty reasonable to me for 10 keys with 6 custom legends across two colors. Let's not forget that these should look much better than the Round 3 moogle kits, which just used SP's default font.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:47:03: You probably live like 15 minutes away from me hashbaz, I'm in Daly City!

This reminds me that BiNaRiS said he'd handle the distribution. Are you still willing to do this BiNaRiS (wherever you are)??
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 22 August 2011, 23:54:56: Quote from: cycloverid;403641
You probably live like 15 minutes away from me hashbaz, I'm in Daly City!

Coolio, I work in Emeryville. Should make shipping nice and fast. :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Tue, 23 August 2011, 00:45:28: cycloverid, would you please ship both my order and lopan's order to me? We work together and can share shipping. I will PM you and lopan to confirm. Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Tue, 23 August 2011, 03:16:46: Quote from: cycloverid;403641
You probably live like 15 minutes away from me hashbaz, I'm in Daly City!

This reminds me that BiNaRiS said he'd handle the distribution. Are you still willing to do this BiNaRiS (wherever you are)??

Quote from: hashbaz;403643
Coolio, I work in Emeryville. Should make shipping nice and fast. :)

@cycloverid and hashbaz - i'm in san jose, its nice to know there is alot of bay area representation in this thread... :high5:
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Tue, 23 August 2011, 03:32:24: What is the right shift in this kit for?

Sent from my EVO
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Tue, 23 August 2011, 06:07:13: A lot of the boards that come w/ doubleshots are space saver boards and use a short right shift.

Unfortunately, Delete/End/PgDn are also R4 profile so even if you are putting the keys on a tenkeyless it won't be quite right, but I didn't find that out until a couple weeks ago when I actually got around to putting doubleshots on something. Numpad +, -, and zero are different as well to a standard 104-key board. Additionally, the space bar will be slightly shorter than a normal 104-key, but the kit includes a new space bar anyway, and the bottom row will also be unusable (wrong size keys even if you feel froggy enough to modify them.)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 23 August 2011, 09:48:20: The price seems reasonable to me. I have 3 sets of cherry doubleshots on the way, just waiting for the moogle kits :) What is going to be the turnaround time on these?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Goly on Tue, 23 August 2011, 10:15:08: 1 White for me :D
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Moogle Stiltzkin on Tue, 23 August 2011, 11:36:50: glad people like the moogle kit :}

Now i need a function and capslock window led cherry style kit >_<;
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 23 August 2011, 13:11:46: MissileMike: Manufacturing lead time is 5 weeks. I'm guessing everyone will get their keys some time in October.

Goly: I have you down for one white already -_-

Melissa double-checked the prices and there is no mistake I'm told.

EDIT: Also, BiNaRiS might not be able to handle distribution..
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Supergleep on Tue, 23 August 2011, 13:53:51: So currently it's $19 per kit + shipping TBD, ($5ish for US48) correct? Just trying to get my keycap money squared away :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 23 August 2011, 14:08:33: Unless I find a cheaper shipping solution, USPS offers a $5 flat rate to anywhere in the US.

Cheaper solutions might accommodate one set in an envelope or something, but I'm not sure if I'd trust that so much.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: soulfree914 on Tue, 23 August 2011, 20:24:18: So, you can sqeeze several sets into one priority box, right? (I ordered 7 sets in total)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 23 August 2011, 20:34:29: The box that comes with this flat rate is like 5.5X8 and can be up to 4 lbs.... I can't imagine any order would weigh more than that.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Wed, 24 August 2011, 00:57:18: Do you know how much international shipping will be?

e: Ok, 13$. Good enough
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 25 August 2011, 20:00:25: 2 more days until finalized... Get your orders in guys!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 25 August 2011, 20:02:41: I might be able to do a less expensive shipping option based on looking at some of these other threads and getting ideas. I need to make sure this will be okay, but the idea is to use those bubble wrap envelopes. It would also be limited to like 2 sets or so and is reasonably less secure than the priority shipping method.

For anyone wanting this option, I might need a day or so to get some time to figure it out. Please PM me if interested.

The main thing is, if like 5 more orders drop, I'll be forced to raise the price of the sets. So if shipping is a factor, let's get that settled.

SHIPPING UPDATE:

I'm going to amend the priority shipping option to include packaging costs (bubble wrap and all that) and the fact that the prices are $5.20 (US) $11.35 (CA/MEX) $13.25 (OTHER) - a little over my original listings.

The new prices should be $6, $12, and $14 respectively. Sorry about this...

With that said, I'll begin accepting payments tomorrow, but orders might stay open until monday.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: kidchunks on Thu, 25 August 2011, 20:21:19: You can take me off the order.

Thanks
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 25 August 2011, 20:27:27: Thanks for the heads up, please keep me updated everyone.

The only way this could end badly is if a bunch of people added themselves to the interest check and don't respond or pay. It's a weird balance of trying to give everyone the best price I can and keeping a stable price!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: kaiserreich on Thu, 25 August 2011, 21:55:20: Worse case scenario, get this absorbed into group buy 4?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: StinkyTofu on Fri, 26 August 2011, 00:30:53: I need to modify my order to (1) WHITE only.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Fri, 26 August 2011, 01:52:57: Going have to back out, something came up. Sorry!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 26 August 2011, 02:27:56: Let's try to stay above 100!

EDIT: Payment info updated
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 26 August 2011, 06:06:20: Sent. You should probably also require your geekhack name so you can keep track of who paid.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Goly on Fri, 26 August 2011, 08:26:56: The price it's gonna be for sure the exposed at #1?

I dont want to pay until the price is confirmed
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Fri, 26 August 2011, 09:02:00: yes, U should require:
Gh username,
Payment for,
shipping method,
mailing address,

anyway, payment sent
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Fri, 26 August 2011, 09:08:00: Sent... if you get any post-order interest in the white sets I may or may not need them (whether I do or not depends on whether I get the sets of keys from the Deskthority GB which seems promising but hasn't been 100% confirmed yet.)

I ASSume that $6 will cover shipping of any reasonable quantity of sets w/in the US?

thanks again for putting this together!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Fri, 26 August 2011, 09:40:53: Yeah I paid 6$ for three sets. I am sure they will fit in a usps flat rate box.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: iWuzHere on Fri, 26 August 2011, 10:51:17: payment sent
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 26 August 2011, 12:03:24: No one has more orders than could fit in one box. One shipping payment is all that is necessary.

Based on the number of orders we still have, $19 still works.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Fri, 26 August 2011, 12:36:45: just paid, lets get this going!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Fri, 26 August 2011, 14:49:04: Just paid!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 26 August 2011, 22:25:26: 18 sets paid so far. Thanks for the quick response guys.

I'd love to send the order out on Monday, but that might be a bit hopeful.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 27 August 2011, 00:14:26: I just sent a payment but forgot my GH info because I was rushing, so I sent you a PM.

Edit: Crap, I didn't send it as a gift, I hope that's still okay. Please let me know if my payment is good to go.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 27 August 2011, 00:40:24: Guys... please use the gift option.

ANY FEES YOU BARE YOURSELF! Please understand that I can't be losing tons of money with fees on this. The gift option should waive any fees, but if not, then please select the option to bare them yourself. A dollar isn't much to you guys, but if I get $30 in fees from incorrectly paid items, it all adds up on me!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 27 August 2011, 00:44:01: Sorry man, I added more to make up for the fee. Please check, sorry again for the mess up
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 27 August 2011, 00:51:44: Atenacious: If you used the gift option on the second payment, then you are one of two payers so far that is getting a fee applied. I will allow this to go through as is, because the refund I issued still applied a fee....

Let me explain what happened:

1. You paid $25. A fee of $1.03 was applied, netting me $23.97.
2. I issued a refund, seeing a fee of $0.73 as I clicked accept refund. You lost $0.73 - I wasn't happy about this, but what can we do - I was clicking too fast.
3. You paid a second total of $25.73. A fee of $1.05 was applied. I net $24.68, which is 32 cents less than the asking price. Conclusion: PayPal is a little richer than it was before :(

I have been reading that Paypal has an option to apply fees to the recipient or yourself. Please select yourself from now on everyone!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Ascaii on Sat, 27 August 2011, 01:26:59: Payment sent, i sent a few bucks extra, as German paypal users cannot send money as gifts.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: kaiserreich on Sat, 27 August 2011, 02:23:42: Payment sent for 2 sets plus shipping to Malaysia
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Torgee on Sat, 27 August 2011, 07:48:52: Hey,
i changed my order to only one white some time ago, but diddn't checked if it was updated.
So did you ordered both (1 white 1 black) for me?
just let me know, so I can pay appropriatly.

or does anyone want to take my black-set?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 27 August 2011, 16:10:47: Torgee: Nothing has been ordered yet. You can think of the deadline as scare tactic to get people to confess their true desires :)

Seriously though, I'd like to have everything payed for by Monday. So only one white for you then?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 27 August 2011, 18:15:50: Did they ever send you samples or is that later on?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 27 August 2011, 18:30:16: By samples you could mean two things:

Color samples: Yep, I got them a few days after they sent them. GAW was the best match for grey... it looks almost identical other than the texture (which is a little more grainy).

EDIT: Picture!

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Prototype key: This is a $65 key that will be sent out before the rest. This is so I can see exactly how their machine works and also compare my thickness values to the Cherry ones. This will be the right shift key (it has all 3 line weights that I've submitted to them) and I'll be more than happy to take pictures when I get it. This isn't an out-of-pocket expense of course, I factored it into the overall cost of all of this.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sat, 27 August 2011, 21:26:06: Pay up people! MissileMike wants to complete his doubleshot sets!

I see some familiar names on that list who haven't ponied up, including a guy who has time for an unbelievable 40,000 posts :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 27 August 2011, 22:59:26: Coughed up.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lemonboy on Sun, 28 August 2011, 08:41:22: Payment sent for 1 set plus shipping to Korea.
Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: calavera on Sun, 28 August 2011, 09:41:10: Glad I decided to check on this thread. Just sent payment for 3 sets.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 28 August 2011, 10:11:23: Now that's what I like to see.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Goly on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:09:30: Paid with USPS priority shipping
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:11:37: go guys pay him! wanna see them keys :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:16:22: Wow! 63 sets are still unpaid! Hurry up guys!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:32:33: Do we need to hit 100 sets for this to be a go?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:39:42: Yikes, we're only at 50. I may have to start humiliating all the deadbeats into paying.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:44:05: I'll pay later when I get home. lol

Sent from iPhone
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 28 August 2011, 16:51:48: Part of my diabolical raising-of-the-shipping costs has allowed us to fall under 100. These types of things are better unknown though.

I'm also willing to pay a little more for my sets... not thrilled about that. Not for us to worry about yet though!

100 isn't the magic number of sets, the prices are tapered all the way down. Well, almost.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 28 August 2011, 18:24:09: I paid my $25 for my black. They better be perfect for costing 1/3 of a 99hk official cherry 104 set. That's 3.5x as much per key. I still can't wait... forever is taking ****ing forever... And GB4 is in the next universe after this one implodes... But at least I'll get this before then... hopefully...I guess...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 28 August 2011, 18:33:28: Quote from: The_Ed;406621
I paid my $25 for my black. They better be perfect for costing 1/3 of a 99hk official cherry 104 set. That's 3.5x as much per key. I still can't wait... forever is taking ****ing forever... And GB4 is in the next universe after this one implodes... But at least I'll get this before then... hopefully...I guess...

Yeah, I was thinking this the other day. Factoring in that 99hk's sets are brand new and only missing spacebar and caps lock, $80 isn't as crazy as it seems at first.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:16:25: Quote from: cycloverid;406578
Part of my diabolical raising-of-the-shipping costs has allowed us to fall under 100. These types of things are better unknown though.

Hum, I kind of disagree. Raising the price may have scared off some people and made some of them lowered the number of sets they order. That becomes a self-fulling prophecy. I would like to see a total count of how many paid and unpaid sets as of now and see how far we are from 100 sets. And if we are within reach to 100 sets, we should wait a bit so we can the discount at 100+.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: iWuzHere on Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:18:47: So whats going to happen if everyone does not pay?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:40:09: Litster: Well, I've given a lot of thought to how I can do this if you can believe it. Originally I thought we'd get almost as much additional orders as we'd lose them. This turned out to not be true.

Do I start this new thread and give an exact price breakdown for each quantity? Will this give unrealistic expectations as to what price to expect? EX: If we have 112 orders, people would expect that price range, but if we lose 20 orders after everyone pays, then what? We just wait for more orders to come?

If I list a price without a price breakdown, will people think I'm inflating the price just to make a profit? Ultimately, despite this downside, I felt I could list the price at $19 ($19.25 was the price point at 100 orders), and lower the price later if we got a lot more interest. I felt that lowering the price later would be fine, but raising the price was almost a non-option, so starting at $19 felt safe.

When we were above 100 orders, I felt I could lose a little bit on shipping, because I was making a tiny bit on the orders. When orders fell off more than I expected them to, I had to raise the shipping costs slightly in order to make sure that I wouldn't lose money, since per order I was actually losing money now. But raising the price of the orders would scare people the most I felt.

This has caused a lot more anxiety than I ever would have thought. It sounds like you're worried about being ripped off here, when I can assure you the chances of me losing money are greater than gaining a few bucks.

Conclusion: I'm not here to make a profit.

IWuzHere: I wouldn't worry about it. So far the payment process has been going pretty smoothly. Absolute worst case scenario, I refund everyone's money and we all go about our lives. But we all want our awesome Moogle Kit too badly for that to happen!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:54:45: No, don't get me wrong, I do not worry about getting rip off. You do all the work. If there is a little bit profit to be had, that is cool. If anything we should pay for your time and effort. Anyhow I don't think it wouldn't be enough to make up for the time you have to spend on this anyway. So I do appreciate you organizing this group buy. And thank you for that.

Take a look at Noodles' Starcraft keycap group buy here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21144-Starcraft-2-Doubleshots-Round-2), and aggiejy's RGB keycap group buy here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20058-FINAL-Doubleshot-RGB-Set-from-SP-%28Orders-Payments-Deadline%29) (originally started by Noodles (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19570-Doubleshot-RGB-Set-from-SP-%28Orders-Only%29)). Noodles lists out all the pricing for each level. I think transparency is the best way to do it. So people have clear expectation on what price to pay at whatever total size of the order. And you wouldn't have to explain any price increase (which already happened) or decrease.

You are running the group buy, so you make the call. I just want to get to a lower price if we can. I already paid. So I am going to shut up.

Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 28 August 2011, 19:58:37: Transparency works great if I can change the price at any time.

The problem comes when people have paid, and then we're all sitting around because 20 people lost interest, stopped tracking the thread, or simply backed out. In this case, transparency can cause the same kinds of problems. Ultimately, you just have to trust the person running the thread I guess... and I'm new here too. Things aren't easy!

In my opinion, the worst problem was if I was asking people to pay more after they already paid. Now that's a total mess.

If I ran a group buy with this many people again, I'd do it exactly the same. I'd set a price where I expected the quantities to fall. If orders go up after you list the price, you lower the price before everyone pays. If interest completely falls off, then you're screwed either way.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 28 August 2011, 20:11:39: My inclination is to agree with litster. Transparency seems to me to be best in any circumstance. If the buy fails, it fails because the GH market couldn't support it.

That said, I've never run a group buy and I don't doubt your good intentions and reasons for doing it the way you are. I'm definitely not suspicious that you are trying to swindle us, and I'm totally fine with you making a small "profit" (or perhaps getting a set or two for free), given how much time and effort you have put into this.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 28 August 2011, 20:15:24: Yeah, I had similar things in my groupbuy. In the end it worked out, but I didn't get as many paid orders as people in interest check. I just ended up picking up the cost myself to reach the minimum order. I figured I could sell them later on either here or on ebay or what have you. I'd also recommend pm to all that have not paid, as some people might not visit the board so often, may not have seen the order date, need a reminder.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 28 August 2011, 20:26:11: Yep, that's what it is looking like lysol. I'm sure if you guys thought about it a little more you'd see the dilemma.

Transparent cost breakdowns are a horrible model to use if your goal is to break even in my opinion. Unless everyone understands that you are going to set the price high to begin with.

Hashbaz: the dilemma isn't just: does it fail or does it not fail? Failing is the worst case scenario. The dilemma is: will you sell as many as you set the price at? How can you maximize the chances that your buyers will go over your intended price point should be the goal. Going negative after a ton of work doesn't feel good. Selfless, yes.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 28 August 2011, 20:31:11: Yeah, like I said I am just speaking from the consumer point of view. What you say makes sense. Props to you for making this happen for the rest of us. Let's hope it doesn't fail, or require a price increase.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Sun, 28 August 2011, 23:01:13: Ok, payment sent. Thanks for spearheaded this group buy. =)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 29 August 2011, 00:03:37: Cool. Only 45 to go :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Mon, 29 August 2011, 02:53:14: Payment Sent.... Thanks for setting this up. :thumb:
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Hakhu on Mon, 29 August 2011, 03:50:30: Paid.
As Ascaii already said, there's no gift option for paypal in Germany. Judging from the examples you gave the fee should be about 4.1%, so I added that and a little extra for your effort. Wouldn't want you to lose too much on this.

Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 29 August 2011, 04:07:17: Much appreciated Hakhu.

Looks like we'll need a couple more days for all the payments to come in.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Mon, 29 August 2011, 04:12:10: Quote from: Hakhu;406784
Paid.
As Ascaii already said, there's no gift option for paypal in Germany. Judging from the examples you gave the fee should be about 4.1%, so I added that and a little extra for you effort. Wouldn't want you to lose too much on this.

Thanks.

The german equivalent seems to be "Dienstleistung" with a remark in the comments that it should be a gift
But it's just a guess, if anyone knows better please tell!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 29 August 2011, 17:27:55: We're down to about 30 left!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Torgee on Mon, 29 August 2011, 20:10:35: payment sent for a single white set.

thx!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Tue, 30 August 2011, 00:28:28: paid. thanks for letting me in the group buy on a short notice!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Supergleep on Tue, 30 August 2011, 01:35:03: Payment sent
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 30 August 2011, 01:57:00: Sweet! Only a few more to go before we can finally start this.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: gilgam on Tue, 30 August 2011, 03:15:43: i didn't read the whole thread but just a question

shipping is just for on set or for each (i believe it's for all sets...)

i'm in europe and ordered 4 sets so 4*19+14 is ok ?

thanks for your help
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 30 August 2011, 06:31:21: Wow, a lot of people paid in the last two days. Looks like I'm not going to have to shake anyone down after all. Now I can move on to hoping they're a good match to the cherry caps!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 30 August 2011, 13:46:21: Gilgam: Yeah, shipping is a one time payment. We have a box that can pretty easily fit one hundred keys and up to 4 pounds, so I don't foresee any problems. You paid correctly, thanks for checking!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: iWuzHere on Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:37:47: Just curious, how long does the manufacturing process usually take?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: gilgam on Tue, 30 August 2011, 16:36:25: Quote from: cycloverid;407572
Gilgam: Yeah, shipping is a one time payment. We have a box that can pretty easily fit one hundred keys and up to 4 pounds, so I don't foresee any problems. You paid correctly, thanks for checking!

You're welcome :-)
Now just sen me my drug ....
:becky:
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Tue, 30 August 2011, 17:15:34: paid
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Wed, 31 August 2011, 05:03:33: Checking the first page I only see four people missing.
Go guys!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 31 August 2011, 07:17:17: Is it possible to have a proper spacebar for Leopold?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Wed, 31 August 2011, 10:11:49: Is it the same length as a Cherry or Filco? If so then just sacrifice some old keys for the cause.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20990-My-own-anti-otaku-Filco-(w-modem-burning-pics)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 31 August 2011, 10:26:57: Thanks but I prefer sharp spacebars like SP/Topre over Cherry or Filco. The angle is just perfect if you reverse them.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Wed, 31 August 2011, 10:32:59: Does anyone know how long it takes for paypal to clear my refund? They took a total of 50.73 for one payment and one refunded payment but it hasn't been returned to my account, yet.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Wed, 31 August 2011, 10:34:59: Quote from: Atenacius;408066
Does anyone know how long it takes for paypal to clear my refund? They took a total of 50.73 for one payment and one refunded payment but it hadn't been returned to me account yet

In Germany it takes 3-4 days. Investment bankers:)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 31 August 2011, 11:39:31: Quote from: agor;407946
Checking the first page I only see four people missing.
Go guys!

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=25394&d=1314809157)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Wed, 31 August 2011, 15:07:06: Quote from: RiGS;408059
Thanks but I prefer sharp spacebars like SP/Topre over Cherry or Filco. The angle is just perfect if you reverse them.

Well, I don't see any reason why the same method couldn't be applied to a SP spacebar to make it fit a Leopold as I did to the Cherry one to make it work on my Filco... *IF* they are the exact same length. How long is your Leopold space bar? I also have a couple space bars that aren't standard 104-cherry length, but they're all off Cherry boards. (various space saver and/or winkeyless models.)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 31 August 2011, 15:37:51: Just 3 more unpaid orders - get it together people!

I think toast is the only one who hasn't answered my pm's yet.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 31 August 2011, 16:49:45: Can anyone verify the quanities for me?

I count 52 White // 48 Black

I'm a little tired today... and sorry for the double post.

EDIT: Thanks for checking - I keep getting 48, maybe I'm retarded

Order goes in tomorrow!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Wed, 31 August 2011, 20:18:43: Quote from: cycloverid;408317
Can anyone verify the quanities for me?

I count 52 White // 48 Black

I'm a little tired today... and sorry for the double post.

I got 52 White and 47 Black.... somebody doublecheck me =P
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 31 August 2011, 23:07:52: I got 51 white(1 unpaid - sherryton, 52 if toast pays), 48 black. If I were you I would order 55 of each so you'd have a few to sell to those who missed out(for $30 each :), or to make complete sets if a few keys are mangled.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Thu, 01 September 2011, 03:39:33: @Cycloverid. - would it be too late to add another white to my order ? Let me know and I can pay you today.

Edit: please disregard request
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Thu, 01 September 2011, 07:49:03: jpm - I may not be using my white sets. I ordered those in anticipation of getting some winkeyless key sets from Ascaii's GB and I don't know if that is actually happening. If you still want some whenever it comes time to ship these out drop me a message.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Thu, 01 September 2011, 08:02:26: I do hope it will happen (Ascaii's GB).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 01 September 2011, 11:33:48: Quote from: agor;408669
I do hope it will happen (Ascaii's GB).

It's not looking super hopeful (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21529-WTB-beige-cherry-double-shots-ANSI&p=407986&viewfull=1#post407986). :-/
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 01 September 2011, 15:49:27: I got the invoice from Melissa, and the payment has been made.

I'll have a couple extras per color just in case. The prices worked out perfectly everyone! Thanks for the quick payments.

Now we wait! The next big update will probably be pictures of the prototype key.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 01 September 2011, 15:51:20: Too bad there is no spacebar for the Leo. I guess I have to wait for the group buy 4.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 01 September 2011, 16:09:58: Quote from: cycloverid;408986
I got the invoice from Melissa, and the payment has been made.

I'll have a couple extras per color just in case. The prices worked out perfectly everyone! Thanks for the quick payments.

Now we wait! The next big update will probably be pictures of the prototype key.

Awesome man. How long are we looking at until the prototype? 5 weeks?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 01 September 2011, 16:23:42: Melissa said lead time is 5 weeks. The prototype should be sent out at the start of the second week of EDIT:October (derp) I'd think. The color samples took like 2 days to get to my house! So the shipping will be really snappy.

I'm hoping the prototyping phase will only add an additional week onto the whole process. It gives me peace of mind knowing that I can trap any mistakes that might happen, though - so obviously non-negotiable. :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 01 September 2011, 18:15:46: Thanks for not half-assing it cycloverid. Well worth the wait.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lootbag on Thu, 01 September 2011, 23:28:05: Finally, I do not have to use my poorly modded off-center to center stem Caps Lock anymore.
And proper Spacebar to boot!
Hope all goes well.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Fri, 02 September 2011, 00:35:45: Oh noes such a long wait :(
But it's gonna be great!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: iWuzHere on Sun, 04 September 2011, 21:16:09: Quote from: agor;409180
Oh noes such a long wait :(
But it's gonna be great!

Waiting is the hardest part :(
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 07 September 2011, 16:58:48: Hey everyone,

Melissa is asking how many posts are in the spacebar. I'm hoping that this is very standardized.

I assume that pretty much every keyboard these days uses 3 posts on the space bar?

Sorry, the only mechanical keyboard I own is a Filco - and I am certainly no expert.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 07 September 2011, 17:16:36: The 'standard' bars from SP in round 3 had 4 stems, to suit both Filco and Cherry spacings (just picture the one ripster posted without the 2nd and 5th stems).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 07 September 2011, 18:21:55: Thanks for the replies.

ripster: Melissa tells me they don't have the tooling for that. So I guess we'll have to go with the 4 socketed spacebar.

It's a good thing I asked... I was looking through the wiki and saw a few 3-socket space keys and assumed that was the usual.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 07 September 2011, 18:26:57: They can (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20485-Double-shot-replacements-ROUND-FOUR!&p=407512&viewfull=1#post407512) make 3-socket space keys that fit the Leopold/Steelseries/Das as well. I wish you would include those as well.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 07 September 2011, 18:44:16: RiGS: You're not even on the list! But yeah, I guess this opens up a topic I hadn't considered.

Maybe I can see if I can get both. Who would need a 3 socket space?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 07 September 2011, 18:47:05: If you can do this, then you can count me in.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Wed, 07 September 2011, 18:47:12: Quote from: cycloverid;412286
RiGS: You're not even on the list! But yeah, I guess this opens up a topic I hadn't considered.

Maybe I can see if I can get both. Who would need a 3 socket space?

I own a Leo so I'd love to have access to those spacebars. But I wouldn't want them replaced, I'd want them added. Since they are aren't doubleshots they couldn't be too expensive I'd presume. I would pay the difference to add 1 white and 1 black to my order.

On a side note, what is the height on these kits compared to real Cherry Corp keys. I assume these will be slightly higher than the Chery Corp keys?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Wed, 07 September 2011, 19:00:48: Quote from: BiNiaRiS;412290
I own a Leo so I'd love to have access to those spacebars. But I wouldn't want them replaced, I'd want them added. Since they are aren't doubleshots they couldn't be too expensive I'd presume. I would pay the difference to add 1 white and 1 black to my order.

On a side note, what is the height on these kits compared to real Cherry Corp keys. I assume these will be slightly higher than the Chery Corp keys?

+1, I think they are close, though I prefer the key profile of the SP spacebar.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Thu, 08 September 2011, 06:23:21: Quote from: cycloverid;412269
Thanks for the replies.

ripster: Melissa tells me they don't have the tooling for that. So I guess we'll have to go with the 4 socketed spacebar.

It's a good thing I asked... I was looking through the wiki and saw a few 3-socket space keys and assumed that was the usual.

That is usual, but the switch itself is in a different position on a Cherry board than it is on a Filco/Das/WASD, and putting both posts for the switch don't cause any interference problems (I'm using a Cherry spacebar on my Filco right now with the center post for the Filco switch epoxied in and the original Cherry center post left in place with no problems.) So for an aftermarket kit using four posts is definitely the way to go, unless you make them like the picture Ripster posted.

Maybe some pics will explain better - this thread (as well as being my keyboard) is exactly the reason these moogle kits were created, have a look at the space bar

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20990-My-own-anti-otaku-Filco-(w-modem-burning-pics)

in the one good pic of the space bar in that post, you see the original Cherry offset post in black, and the centered Filco one epoxied in in white. On a Cherry board, the switch is offset to the right of the keyboard when you look down on it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: rightbraingeek on Thu, 08 September 2011, 09:10:53: Quote from: cycloverid;412286
RiGS: You're not even on the list! But yeah, I guess this opens up a topic I hadn't considered.

Maybe I can see if I can get both. Who would need a 3 socket space?
Include me.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 08 September 2011, 09:21:48: Adding a second spacebar shouldn't increase the price that much. Additionally you would make a lot of Leopold/Steelseries/Das/Zowie folks happy.
Could you ask a quote for that?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 08 September 2011, 10:01:33: Whatever you guys decide to do, I'd like to opt-out of the additional spacebar for my order. Don't need it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Thu, 08 September 2011, 10:09:07: If you can't justify adding $1,5 USD extra to help out some fellow geekhackers, then I will take your spacebar. The more is better, since ABS gets shiny quickly.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 08 September 2011, 10:10:59: If you pay for it, go ahead and take it. When it comes to sorting them, though we just need to make sure you get it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 08 September 2011, 10:49:39: I would love, love, love Leo compatible space bars! DO IT :)
(I will pay the difference, of course)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 12 September 2011, 16:03:48: Here's the e-mail response from Melissa about the spacebars:

As we would have to pull the tooling to change the configuration on the spacebar, we need to charge for the unit price at the quantity you are looking to order:
10 space bars - $6.13 / each
20 space bars - $3.68 / each

Shipping costs will stay the same.

Obviously this would be an added expense for those who wanted them. Seems kinda expensive?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: rightbraingeek on Mon, 12 September 2011, 17:42:55: Quote from: cycloverid;415102
Here's the e-mail response from Melissa about the spacebars:

As we would have to pull the tooling to change the configuration on the spacebar, we need to charge for the unit price at the quantity you are looking to order:
10 space bars - $6.13 / each
20 space bars - $3.68 / each

Shipping costs will stay the same. Seems kinda expensive?

Kinda. But since we only have two colors for this GB, one of each would do it. I'm in for at least (1) black & (1) white as I have (2) Leos.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Mon, 12 September 2011, 17:56:33: I think the best bet is to create a new leo spacebar group buy. It would probably be a fairly popular group buy as a lot of leo users want replacement spacebars. But not all these leo owners are also getting a moogle kit here. Most, if not all, of us have already paid for our moogle kit orders. And if you have leo, chances are that it is a black version. So the existing black leo spacebar that is already on your leo keyboard would work fine with your black Cherry double shots and the black moogle kit.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 12 September 2011, 20:04:24: Good call litster - this saves me an extra bit of headache as well. Now I can just focus on making sure everything else is awesome. Sorry everyone.

TL:DR - the spacebar shipping with this kit will be the 4 socket one.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: soulfree914 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 02:37:52: It seems like some people dropped off. Are we good to go with the original price?
I can absorb some of the cancelled orders if you need me to. LMK cycloverid :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Wed, 14 September 2011, 09:56:14: What was the key set that compliments the moogle kit?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Wed, 14 September 2011, 10:07:16: Full size Cherry G80 or G81 with doubleshots. The -1800 boards still don't have everything you need to put doubleshots on a standard 104 key MX board or even a standard tenkeyless (right shift is wrong, numpad is wrong, Del/End/PgDn are wrong profile)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 14 September 2011, 19:35:52: Soulfree914: We made out perfectly on the pricing (100 was the target, we got 99). I ordered a few extras, but I'll deal with that after everything is sorted!

Only a few weeks left until the prototype key is in if all goes well.
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Post by: HoboBob on Wed, 14 September 2011, 21:58:16: I'll be looking forward to one of the extras. I can even pay a little bonus, because I missed the deadlines :D
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Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 14 September 2011, 22:27:58: Quote from: cycloverid;416257
Only a few weeks left until the prototype key is in if all goes well.

Hurray! Freakin' excited here to see how the custom legends turn out.
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Post by: soulfree914 on Wed, 14 September 2011, 23:53:07: Quote from: cycloverid;416257
Soulfree914: We made out perfectly on the pricing (100 was the target, we got 99). I ordered a few extras, but I'll deal with that after everything is sorted!

Only a few weeks left until the prototype key is in if all goes well.

Ok, just wanted to help out.

Just one small question. I have a cherry doubleshot set without the left shift, right shift and the bottom-most row..
but I see that this moggle kit does not include the left shift. Any way to get the left shift? Any leftovers you might have?
Also, what color code are you using for the light beige and dark beige?
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Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 15 September 2011, 00:18:01: GAW = Grey

WQ = Off-white

If you know of anything better let me know.
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Post by: litster on Thu, 15 September 2011, 00:19:21: Quote from: soulfree914;416356
Ok, just wanted to help out.

Just one small question. I have a cherry doubleshot set without the left shift, right shift and the bottom-most row..
but I see that this moggle kit does not include the left shift. Any way to get the left shift? Any leftovers you might have?
Also, what color code are you using for the light beige and dark beige?

99hk.biz was selling full sets of Cherry double shots and now selling ~ and backspace double shots here: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21950-Cherry-Double-Shot-Backspace-and
You might want to ping him to see if he has a left shift that he can sell to you.
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Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 18 September 2011, 20:11:43: I just saw reaper's post (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19574-Post-your-key-caps-thread&p=418293#post418293) about receiving a genuine Cherry Corp red escape key, and had a thought. If the custom Cherry font legends on our moogle kits turn out well, would people be interested in a red escape group buy with a similar Cherry lookalike custom legend? Perhaps bundled with RGB versions of the ctrl, alt, and shift from this group buy?
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Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 18 September 2011, 20:15:04: I don't believe SP can do the Cherry Corp font...

Also, the big deal with that key is its thickness and rarity, not the font...
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Post by: Atenacius on Sun, 18 September 2011, 20:15:40: Quote from: hashbaz;418349
I just saw reaper's post (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19574-Post-your-key-caps-thread&p=418293#post418293) about receiving a genuine Cherry Corp red escape key, and had a thought. If the custom Cherry font legends on our moogle kits turn out well, would people be interested in a red escape group buy with a similar Cherry lookalike custom legend? Perhaps bundled with RGB versions of the ctrl, alt, and shift from this group buy?

Absolutely. I ordered the one in Group Buy 4 but I have no idea how it will look.

Keyboardlover, we could just treat it as a custom key since SP doesn't have the font. Same way this kit is being handled
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Post by: N8N on Sun, 18 September 2011, 20:16:02: Quote from: hashbaz;418349
I just saw reaper's post (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19574-Post-your-key-caps-thread&p=418293#post418293) about receiving a genuine Cherry Corp red escape key, and had a thought. If the custom Cherry font legends on our moogle kits turn out well, would people be interested in a red escape group buy with a similar Cherry lookalike custom legend? Perhaps bundled with RGB versions of the ctrl, alt, and shift from this group buy?

I would, but you're a little late - I've already got the Esc key that SP sells on their web site, and the RGBs from the leftovers offered from the RGB GB :/

Otherwise, yes, I would have been very interested :P

I wonder if there would be any interest in reproducing the "cherry" key as well, but that might get into copyright issues.
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Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 18 September 2011, 20:37:42: Quote from: N8N;418353
I would, but you're a little late - I've already got the Esc key that SP sells on their web site, and the RGBs from the leftovers offered from the RGB GB :/

Otherwise, yes, I would have been very interested :P

I wonder if there would be any interest in reproducing the "cherry" key as well, but that might get into copyright issues.

Yeah, it's too bad there is a glut of RGBs right now due to aggiejy's buy. These would presumably match the Cherry font though. Maybe just the red escape?

Quote from: keyboardlover;418351
I don't believe SP can do the Cherry Corp font...

Also, the big deal with that key is its thickness and rarity, not the font...

These would be custom legends made to match the Cherry font. cycloverid's SVG files look pretty good -- we'll should know soon how closely the test run he ordered matches real Cherries.

And for me at least, it is the font. I have the SP red escape on my Cherry 2-shot board now and it irks me that it doesn't match.
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Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 19 September 2011, 15:24:58: A red escape key would be very cool.

Keep in mind that I didn't actually make a font. All I made was a set of paths for each key we were using. It would be extremely easy to make the esc key, though (3 simple letters). If I don't get around to doing it, someone else with light to moderate knowledge of Adobe Illustrator could pretty easily do it.
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Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 19 September 2011, 15:28:42: Quote from: cycloverid;418745
A red escape key would be very cool.

Keep in mind that I didn't actually make a font. All I made was a set of paths for each key we were using. It would be extremely easy to make the esc key, though (3 letters simple letters). If I don't get around to doing it, someone else with light to moderate knowledge of Adobe Illustrator could pretty easily do it.

Yup. I'm eager to see how the test keys look.
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Post by: litster on Mon, 26 September 2011, 01:50:17: Cycloverid, and update on the protoytpe's ETA?
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Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:08:54: WOW! The prototype is already done - cool.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]27335[/ATTACH]

I just got this image, so I haven't had time to really nitpick. But, at first glance I'm happy.

The lines are a little wobbly on the up arrow... but I was expecting minor problems like this (a very minor gripe).
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Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:14:56: So the SP black is more of a charcoal. That's a little disheartening.

Or is that not the SP black?
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Post by: litster on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:22:19: For reference, I happened to have an original double shot Cherry right Shift key with me.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=27338&d=1317068403)
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Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:29:33: -The up arrow looks a little bit thicker - or possibly the proportions.

-The letter spacing is tighter on the original (this was intentional due to the machining).

-The dot above the i is smaller on the original (I thought this might happen - not a huge deal though).

-The left margin looks a little smaller on the SP key.

-The bars on the f and t are a tiny bit too small - easy tweak.

I mean overall I don't know if I'd even want to risk making any significant changes, but maybe address a couple minor concerns if even necessary.

More eyes are better than one or two, so let's hear the opinions - the image has been added to the OP for ease.
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Post by: litster on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:35:40: I say this is good enough. Go for it.
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Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 September 2011, 15:38:49: Looks pretty awesome. It's fine as it is AFAIC, but tweak if you want. :)
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Post by: Atenacius on Mon, 26 September 2011, 20:00:34: I also agree that it is good enough. It's close enough for normal use and distance. If you swapped that one out for one of my Cherry Shift keys, I never would've noticed.
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Post by: kaiserreich on Tue, 27 September 2011, 02:03:07: They look great. I'd say no changes, this would be good enough.
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Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 27 September 2011, 05:57:37: +1 on no changes.
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Post by: demik on Tue, 27 September 2011, 11:15:06: Looks good
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Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:27:02: Okay, Melissa said the manufacturing should take two weeks.

So we're looking at the 10th or so.
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:36:59: Quote from: cycloverid;422229
Okay, Melissa said the manufacturing should take two weeks.

So we're looking at the 10th or so.

Hurray! No more blank WASD stand-ins. :D
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Post by: Goly on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:38:14: Great :D
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Post by: N8N on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:52:12: yay! No more homemade, glued-up, pad printed crap bringing down the overall classiness of my keyboard...

If anyone missed out and wants some of the white sets, PM me. I ordered some and it looks like now I won't get the doubleshots I was hoping for from the DT GB.
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Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:54:59: N8N: PM HoboBob, he wanted atleast one set of the white/grey. If you can arrange for him to pay you for a set, then I'll write him down on the list and get his shipping info.
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 September 2011, 15:59:29: Quote from: N8N;422254
If anyone missed out and wants some of the white sets, PM me. I ordered some and it looks like now I won't get the doubleshots I was hoping for from the DT GB.

I am on the list for two of those sets too. :(

However, I just received a white doubleshot set from this thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?19392-Interest-Check-Cherry-G81-Doubleshots-with-RGB-Sets) (pics are on page 2). Calavera is selling his if you're still interested in utilizing one of your white moogles.
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Post by: N8N on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:03:43: I saw that, but didn't jump on it because it looks like the layout of that board is the same as the Cherry space saver that I have, so I couldn't use the rshift, del/end/pgdn, or some of the numpad keys even with a moogle kit :(

I've thought about using white alphanumerics w/ black modifiers though... you think that would look good?

cycloverid, I will see if HoboBob wants one, that still leaves me two sets, so I don't mind at all passing one on. I'm guessing that if this were to work out, the easiest way to handle it would be that he would pay me for the one set, I'd let you know that he'd done so, and then he'd pay you for shipping it to him?
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:16:50: Quote from: N8N;422265
I saw that, but didn't jump on it because it looks like the layout of that board is the same as the Cherry space saver that I have, so I couldn't use the rshift, del/end/pgdn, or some of the numpad keys even with a moogle kit :(

Sorry to go OT, but this del/end/pgdn incompatibility is something I didn't know about until recently. Can you explain?

Quote
I've thought about using white alphanumerics w/ black modifiers though... you think that would look good?

I'm not crazy about that look personally. Check out this (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20464-What-did-you-add-to-your-Keyboard-today-Post-Your-Pics&p=420679&viewfull=1#post420679) and this (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21911-Dressing-Up-Keyboards-with-Keycaps&p=420987&viewfull=1#post420987).
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Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:23:51: N8N: Um, yeah. I didn't think about the shipping. Yes, he'll pay you for one set, then pay me for the shipping and give me the shipping info through paypal. See, it works out in the end!
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Post by: BiNiaRiS on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:24:45: They are slightly higher...they still work perfectly though

Sent from my EVO
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Post by: N8N on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:43:40: Quote from: hashbaz;422272
Sorry to go OT, but this del/end/pgdn incompatibility is something I didn't know about until recently. Can you explain?

(re: space saver keycaps on a std 104 board) - see here

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20990-My-own-anti-otaku-Filco-%28w-modem-burning-pics%29

lookit the first pic; note that Del/End/PgDn are located outside the normal boundaries for keys - in the space between the number row and the f-keys. They're the right SIZE, but if you put them on a std. 104-key board, they're R4 profile on a space saver, and you'll be putting them on R3, so they will appear higher than the keys around them (backslash/pipe and the R3 of the numpad) - not *real* noticeable, but it ain't perfect.
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 September 2011, 16:52:07: Cool, thanks.
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Post by: HoboBob on Tue, 27 September 2011, 19:44:39: N8N & cycloverid paid.

Thanks a lot guys! Can't wait to grab my set!
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Post by: h0ngE on Wed, 28 September 2011, 20:55:24: Quote from: cycloverid;421693

-The bars on the f and t are a tiny bit too small - easy tweak.

Please tweak the "f"- and "t"-bars! :bolt:
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Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 29 September 2011, 00:12:38: HongE: Way ahead of you. Before I submitted the final guidelines, I gave Melissa a list of 3 changes:

1. I submitted a slightly tweaked path of the up-arrow. It's slight, but will be closer to the original.

2. I asked for a width increase of the t and f bars from the 0.014" cutter to the 0.015" cutter.

3. I asked for a width increase on the up-arrow from 0.025" to 0.026" or 0.027". This width is also shared between the windows and menu logos.

Numbers 1 and 2 will be included in the final manufacturing. Unfortunately, the third request wasn't able to be done. They are missing cutters between 0.025" and 0.030", so the width will remain the same (0.030" would be way too much).

I was going to include this stuff in a post-mortem post, but this will atleast clear things up for those perfectionists. Just know that I tried my best to achieve perfection!
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Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 29 September 2011, 00:26:48: Well, I'm glad you went ahead with the changes. I realized that it would only be a minor tweak to the vectors and they could just go ahead with production once they receive your updated file. Unfortunately, these changes are direct responses to only the Shift key. Hopefully the other keys won't have any glaring issues.
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Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 29 September 2011, 00:35:46: Well, the only problems that could happen now are with the SVG files I submitted. The width of the cutter is the same between all the keys.

I'm pretty confident there won't be any glaring issues. I do know that all of the text will be perfect, given that the shift text is exactly the way I intended it to look.

If I had the resources to do 2 or 3 more prototypes, I might do it. But, keep your expectations realistic. The texture and contours of the keys are already uncontrollably different.
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Post by: N8N on Thu, 29 September 2011, 10:25:18: You're doing a hell of a job, Brownie. Seriously, I can't wait. I'm looking at those #$%^ non-doubleshot Win and Menu keys right now...
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Post by: iWuzHere on Mon, 10 October 2011, 20:19:20: status update?
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Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 11 October 2011, 16:53:18: Nothing yet. I'll let you know!
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Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 13 October 2011, 15:06:51: Melissa gave me the tracking number for the order. The expected delivery date is today!

I will try to get pictures up tonight, but have also been super busy.

I'm so anxious to see how everything turned out!
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Post by: demik on Thu, 13 October 2011, 15:14:33: Can't wait! My unfinished poker is bugging me lol
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Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 13 October 2011, 15:30:12: Quote from: cycloverid;430373
Melissa gave me the tracking number for the order. The expected delivery date is today!

I will try to get pictures up tonight, but have also been super busy.

I'm so anxious to see how everything turned out!

!!
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Post by: litster on Thu, 13 October 2011, 15:42:18: Yeepee!
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Post by: agor on Thu, 13 October 2011, 15:58:48: Looking forward to pictures!
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Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 13 October 2011, 19:09:41: I didn't know it even shipped. This is exciting!
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Post by: calavera on Thu, 13 October 2011, 22:16:13: Oh wow, I totally forgot about this group buy. I just came in here to find good news. Coooooool :D
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Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 13 October 2011, 23:46:25: Yeah, I sent an e-mail to Melissa earlier today asking if she knew how far along things were. She gave me the tracking number and it said today was the day.

Unfortunately, and oddly, it didn't come today. Sorry for the false alarm. I hope this means tomorrow for sure.

USPS says:

Expected Delivery By:
October 13, 2011

Better updates to follow I hope!
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Post by: demik on Thu, 13 October 2011, 23:51:35: hm, some keycaps i sent to a member here also had the delivery date of today and from the looks of usps.. they werent delivered today either.
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Post by: calavera on Fri, 14 October 2011, 01:03:51: Usps does that sometimes. I bet you'll receive them tomorrow for sure.
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Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 14 October 2011, 22:13:32: We got em guys! No glaring flaws at all.

Forgive me if this is a pretty brief post, getting over the flu (wash your keys I guess - sorry!) Took a really really quick photo:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]28668[/ATTACH]

Left 2 keys: Original Cherry grey ( you can see the letter thickness issues here) -- EDIT: Whoops alt key is next to capslock.

Middle : Moogle 2 Grey

Right: Moogle 2 Black

As I thought, I was matching the thicknesses to the black keys more than the grey... so the letter thicknesses are closer to the blacks. It doesn't bother me very much at all. I might have gone a little thick on the lettering overall though.

Conclusion: Couldn't be happier for a first time attempt here.
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Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 14 October 2011, 22:16:52: Quote from: cycloverid;431471
Conclusion: Couldn't be happier for a first time attempt here.

They look fantastic. Well done man.
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Post by: ishtob on Fri, 14 October 2011, 22:31:57: im hoping for extras *fingers crossed* :P
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Post by: jpm804 on Fri, 14 October 2011, 22:39:57: Whooohooo can't wait to get them.. Thanks again cycloverid for all the work on tHis gb
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Post by: demik on Fri, 14 October 2011, 23:52:00: they look good. can't wait to get mine. i regret not getting a black set also
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Post by: litster on Sat, 15 October 2011, 01:08:39: Looks awesome!
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Post by: calavera on Sat, 15 October 2011, 01:42:53: Hey I hope you ordered some extra sets because I want to buy more sets. Please let me know ASAP.
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Post by: dux on Sat, 15 October 2011, 03:13:27: perfection!

how about a RGB set with that font? or black on white (not beige)?

:)
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Post by: Grond on Sat, 15 October 2011, 05:09:40: They look great! I'd also be into a matching RGB set, as long as it includes ISO options (namely: short left shift). I also wouldn't mind a yellow 1.5 "cherry star" key to use as a neutral system key. See what I mean here: http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=525&hilit=rgby
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Post by: jpm804 on Sat, 15 October 2011, 06:06:48: Quote from: calavera;431555
Hey I hope you ordered some extra sets because I want to buy more sets. Please let me know ASAP.

Interested in this question also...
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Post by: N8N on Sat, 15 October 2011, 06:23:42: They look great! Count me in as someone who'd be interested in RGBs. I got a set from the GB on those because there were leftovers available but your work with the fonts would make them ever so much better.
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Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 15 October 2011, 07:20:19: If we do RGB modifiers we should also do red ESCs with the same faux Cherry custom legends.
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Post by: Goly on Sat, 15 October 2011, 07:29:15: Fantastic, well done :D
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Post by: demik on Sat, 15 October 2011, 07:51:53: Quote from: hashbaz;431619
If we do RGB modifiers we should also do red ESCs with the same faux Cherry custom legends.
+1
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Post by: calavera on Sat, 15 October 2011, 08:08:59: FYI, there's already a RGB set in group buy #4.
I think we should just do another run with added shorter right shift...etc since that group buy takes a loooooooooooooooong time.
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Post by: Grond on Sat, 15 October 2011, 08:16:51: I'm sure we can get them faster with a smaller group buy like this. Also I guess a lot of people, especially on DT, might be interested in the ISO option, because it hasn't been available for the RGB orders I've seen in the past months.
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Post by: sinis on Sat, 15 October 2011, 08:17:48: Quote from: calavera;431636
FYI, there's already a RGB set in group buy #4.
I think we should just do another run with added shorter right shift...etc since that group buy takes a loooooooooooooooong time.

and R4 has neither a moogle kit, nor confirmed, that grey colors fit cherry keys. If not RGB.

+1 for another round
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Post by: N8N on Sat, 15 October 2011, 08:29:15: Quote from: hashbaz;431619
If we do RGB modifiers we should also do red ESCs with the same faux Cherry custom legends.

Good idea. The standard SP Esc keys are nice, but having everything match would be nicer.

Damn you guys, I thought I was done spending money on keyboard crap. First the WASD lasered keys, then the Leopolds with clears, now new mo' better RGBs...
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Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 15 October 2011, 16:27:26: I'd love a red escape key. Hell, I'd set up the SVG file for it.

That's all well and good, but who is doing the distributing this time?!

I'm looking at this box of keys I still have to sort out... :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 15 October 2011, 20:52:52: I'm in for the Cherry style red esc key. Definitely going to want 2 or 3 of them
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 16 October 2011, 01:18:07: I spent about an hour or so separating each set into little ziplock bags. Looks like we have 2 bonus sets, minus 1 key each... kinda disheartening.

So extra sets are as follows:

2X WHITE (complete)
1X BLACK (complete)
1X WHITE (minus caps lock)
1X BLACK (minus menu key)

NOTE: I didn't get lots of extra sets! But, we have the files - all you need is to get another group ready! (unless changes are made)

Here is a picture of the keys on my Filco:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]28747[/ATTACH]

UJELLY?????

The biggest problem is that the spacebar is very noticeably whiter than the other white keys. I'm not sure if they have a better color choice to be honest, I only asked for a couple samples and chose the best of them.

Those of you who got the white kit will definitely notice the added boldness of the text... sorry about this. Unfortunately the legends are actually very different thicknesses between the white and black Cherry keys. So we had to compromise, and the black keys will be almost perfect. :/

EDIT: Oh, and the menu key is just a tad bit wonky.

I'll get everything sent out in a week or two!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sun, 16 October 2011, 01:29:05: Still looks great. Thanks for the painless group buy. Looking forward to completing my keys and hopefully getting in on some new ones later on. Gah, so excited
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: calavera on Sun, 16 October 2011, 01:56:40: I'll take one more complete black set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 16 October 2011, 02:16:58: I guess I have to get organized with this. Ishtob has spoken for the 1 free black set.... sorry. He asked me a couple days ago for one of the extras....

Maybe I'll make a separate section on the main page. I'll probably offer up the ones with missing keys for a reasonable discount (if anyone even wants one with missing keys - I can keep the xtras too).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sun, 16 October 2011, 10:44:04: Cycloverid - are you selling those complete white ones then? And might be integested in black incomplete.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 16 October 2011, 16:49:13: I'm selling all the extras I listed on the last page.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lootbag on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:16:06: GOod to hear the news cycloverid.
Smooth sailing so far.
Hope to get my set soon!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:32:09: Quote from: cycloverid;432456
I'm selling all the extras I listed on the last page.

Pm'd you
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:33:11: jpm804 you better not have taken my white set!!!!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:42:03: Updated the main page with the extra info.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Dox on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:44:07: I'll take the white one missing caps lock!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 16 October 2011, 17:48:58: Cool guys, all sold. Include shipping $ in your payments if you don't already have an order through me.

Do it soon so I can get everything organized!

Now to figure out the easiest way to get the 50 flat rate boxes from USPS.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: ishtob on Sun, 16 October 2011, 23:25:42: would you like me to send you the payment or wait til you confirm you got an extra set?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: ishtob on Sun, 16 October 2011, 23:29:26: scratch that i just read over the past few threads, payment sent
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Tue, 18 October 2011, 01:19:39: Quote from: tsangan;432478
jpm804 you better not have taken my white set!!!!

looks like you got the other one so it worked out.... =D

Payment sent cycloverid..... anyone want to sell me some black cherry DS....
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Tue, 18 October 2011, 05:56:54: So is anyone starting a RGB group buy? I would do it myself, but I think it would be impractical, since I live in Italy. Unless I start a ISO RGB group buy for Europe only... Anyway, Cycloverid, are you ok to let me or other people use your SVGs for new orders?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: calavera on Tue, 18 October 2011, 12:43:11: I'm willing to take charge of the RGB but I'll be busy until mid November.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 18 October 2011, 17:54:12: The keys came out very nice. I'm definitely looking forward to getting them and finally finishing out my doubleshot set.
You know, I see rgb all the time, it's so done. Why is there no CMYK set?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Hakhu on Wed, 19 October 2011, 07:02:05: How about that Red Esc DS groupbuy someone mentioned! I'm sure we'd find enough people for that.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 19 October 2011, 22:19:26: Quote from: lysol;433953
The keys came out very nice. I'm definitely looking forward to getting them and finally finishing out my doubleshot set.
You know, I see rgb all the time, it's so done. Why is there no CMYK set?

I always wanted a CMYK set too.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Thu, 20 October 2011, 14:24:01: I'm in for CMYK.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 20 October 2011, 18:43:43: Perhaps I'll do a CMYK gb soon...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 October 2011, 04:14:19: I'm not super interested in CMYK but I'm considering initiating the RGB+Esc group buy. I just worry about sufficient interest given that everyone has aggiejy's RGB sets.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 04:17:11: Quote from: hashbaz;435935
I'm not super interested in CMYK but I'm considering initiating the RGB+Esc group buy. I just worry about sufficient interest given that everyone has aggiejy's RGB sets.

Yea, it may be a bit early still on the back of Aggiejy's buy to do another GH-centered RGB set but the Red Esc is probably a welcomed doubleshot buy; nobody is really doing a simple version of an escape key at the moment.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 October 2011, 12:40:50: Maybe I'll start an interest thread and see who wants just Esc and who wants RGB+Esc.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 21 October 2011, 21:53:48: Quote from: hashbaz;436183
Maybe I'll start an interest thread and see who wants just Esc and who wants RGB+Esc.

Yeah, a vote would be good.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 22:04:05: Is the assumed style of the 'Esc' key doubleshot similar to what would come with a new keyboard? (filco, leopold, realforce, etc)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 October 2011, 22:39:28: Quote from: RColinTaylor;436471
Is the assumed style of the 'Esc' key doubleshot similar to what would come with a new keyboard? (filco, leopold, realforce, etc)

The idea is to duplicate this as closely as possible, especially the font:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/key%20caps/DSC06273.jpg)

This one is a vintage Cherry cap and belongs to reaper.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 22:43:37: Quote from: hashbaz;436486
The idea is to duplicate this as closely as possible, especially the font:

Show Image
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/key%20caps/DSC06273.jpg)

This one is a vintage Cherry cap and belongs to reaper.

Well then I support everything about this buy. Its rare to get simplistic doubleshots that bring class to a keyboard...

And yes, I understand the irony involved in that statement; Keys like 'Awesome Face' and 'Jolly Roger' sort of contradict that belief.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:31:25: Quote from: hashbaz;436486
The idea is to duplicate this as closely as possible, especially the font:

Show Image
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/key%20caps/DSC06273.jpg)

This one is a vintage Cherry cap and belongs to reaper.

God, that key looks so good. I hope we're able to get it right like the Moogle 2 did. We've gotta get a good match for color and font, which means it helps for the person organizing it to get a hold of one.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:32:32: Quote from: Atenacius;436512
God, that key looks so good. I hope we're able to get it right like the Moogle 2 did. We've gotta get a good match for color and font, which means it helps for the person organizing it to get a hold of one.

If you mail one of them to SP I am pretty sure that they could duplicate it pretty easily; that was the first plan they had when trying to get the Universal Spacebar project off of the ground.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:37:29: We'll have to choose the color and make the SVG file ourselves. cycloverid did a fantastic job with the SVGs for this moogle buy. He said at one point that he'd be willing to do an Esc legend too if someone else runs the buy.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:40:10: Quote from: hashbaz;436516
We'll have to choose the color and make the SVG file ourselves. cycloverid did a fantastic job with the SVGs for this moogle buy. He said at one point that he'd be willing to do an Esc legend too if someone else runs the buy.

Well, I think I could do the buy in some capacity if nobody else steps up; I am already doing two right now but they both are fairly basic. Nothing too strenuous is involved in escape keys and modifiers.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:52:00: Yeah, this will be really easy guys.

The only problem I've been mulling over is: Do I try to correct any issues with the Moogle 2 for next time?

--First, I went about 10-15% too big on the actual text sizes. I didn't have any super accurate measuring device, so I went with the digital overlays.

--Next, I probably favored the black key boldness too much.

--If I reduced the size of the text, the boldness would also be reduced slightly (proportions).

Now, do we accept the current slightly off version? Or do I correct this for the next batch? If corrected, they won't match the existing Moogle 2 kit...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:55:26: And if you adjust them the buy will be significantly more expensive, yes?

I was planning on putting up an interest check thread tomorrow, but I'm fine to step aside if someone else wants the reigns.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:57:17: Quote from: hashbaz;436526
And if you adjust them the buy will be significantly more expensive, yes?

I was planning on putting up an interest check thread tomorrow, but I'm fine to step aside if someone else wants the reigns.

Oh, no, please by all means take the Escape key over if you have intentions of doing it. My offer was to throw it onto my buy if nobody wanted to take it on but having you do it would be easier.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 21 October 2011, 23:58:06: Wait, this would effect the cost in what way exactly?

I'm not talking about making another Moogle kit, I'm just talking about swapping the SVG files out with something more accurate - just to be clear.

If you want the Esc text to be exactly like the Cherry version, some adjustments will have to be made to my current version is what I'm trying to say.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:01:07: Quote from: cycloverid;436530
Wait, this would effect the cost in what way exactly?

I'm not talking about making another Moogle kit, I'm just talking about swapping the SVG files out with something more accurate - just to be clear.

If you want the Esc text to be exactly like the Cherry version, some adjustments will have to be made to my current version is what I'm trying to say.

I cannot speak on the Moogle Kit because I did not participate in the buy but with the Esc key I think people want it to be as close to the original Cherry ones as possible.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:03:29: Quote from: cycloverid;436530
Wait, this would effect the cost in what way exactly?

I'm not talking about making another Moogle kit, I'm just talking about swapping the SVG files out with something more accurate - just to be clear.

If you want the Esc text to be exactly like the Cherry version, some adjustments will have to be made to my current version is what I'm trying to say.

Oh I misunderstood you. :) Thought you were talking about adjusting the moogle legends if we end up doing RGB versions. Maybe I'll include that question in the interest thread.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:08:10: Quote from: cycloverid;436530
If you want the Esc text to be exactly like the Cherry version, some adjustments will have to be made to my current version is what I'm trying to say.

So does this mean you already have an Esc SVG?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:12:38: If you scale down the text, isn't the thickness/boldness still the same since it's a different setting? I remember how you had to change your first SVG, which were outlines, to single paths instead
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:15:21: hashbaz: I was talking about the Moogle legends for the RGB or CMYK versions. If they are adjusted, this wouldn't effect the cost.

As for the Esc legend, I don't have the SVG file yet. I have a bunch of templates that I can use for size comparisons however. Pretty simple minus time getting the sizing perfect.

Atenacious: the boldness is assigned after the SVG files are submitted based on a certain cutter size. We would need to change the cutter size after I scaled the text down by a small amount to keep the same proportions. The text is just lines(curves), it has no thickness until I tell Sig. Plastics the size cutter to use.

Maybe this will make more sense: I measured the boldness of the text digitally based on an overlay that I used to position and set up the curves for the text. It is simply proportions, not an exact real world measurement.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:26:28: Quote from: cycloverid;436541
Atenacious: the boldness is assigned after the SVG files are submitted based on a certain cutter size. We would need to change the cutter size after I scaled the text down by a small amount to keep the same proportions. The text is just lines(curves), it has no thickness until I tell Sig. Plastics the size cutter to use.

Yeah, that's what my understanding of it is. I'm not sure if we have this already but we should have a archive of SVGs in our wiki to use for group buys. There might be some intellectual property issues but it'd be great for mix and matching designs
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:27:24: Quote from: Atenacius;436543
Yeah, that's what my understanding of it is. I'm not sure if we have this already but we should have a archive of SVGs in our wiki to use for group buys. There might be some intellectual property issues but it'd be great for mix and matching designs

I don't think that any geekhackers would mind if their .SVG's were used for more group buys; it is not as if they are sold to the people doing individual buys.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:38:46: Quote from: cycloverid;436541
hashbaz: I was talking about the Moogle legends for the RGB or CMYK versions. If they are adjusted, this wouldn't effect the cost.

I'm still confused. Doesn't changing the SVG mean a new mold and a new fee from SP?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:40:19: They just charge a one time legend fee per file for custom legends. It ranges from $25-45 based on the complexity of the design/specifications.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 00:54:11: So you can change the files at will for free, even for a different order? If so I'd say we should tweak them to be more Cherry-like.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 01:07:13: cycloverid, is it cool if I use the moogle images you've posted in this thread as examples of the custom legends?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: 7bit on Sat, 22 October 2011, 02:01:13: Quote from: RColinTaylor;436518
Well, I think I could do the buy in some capacity if nobody else steps up; I am already doing two right now but they both are fairly basic. Nothing too strenuous is involved in escape keys and modifiers.

Wait a minute!

The job of a follow-up has been already offered to me!

:~> shred -zufn 666 --random-source /dev/hell -xs 0.01 RColinTaylor
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 02:05:32: Back on-topic, have the moogle sets been shipped yet?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sat, 22 October 2011, 02:18:20: I sent off for the boxes on wednesday... sorry was a little disorganized getting that started.

EDIT: Tried calling USPS in several locations to see if they had boxes, didnt get one answered call...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 22 October 2011, 04:34:49: Red Esc interest thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23209-Interest-Check-Red-ESC-w-faux-Cherry-font-(maybe)-RGB-modifiers) is up.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Tue, 25 October 2011, 09:35:17: I am so looking forward to getting the kit. However, I am not looking forward to trying to make the space bar work on my favorite Leopold keyboard :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:06:53: Quote from: cycloverid;436562
I sent off for the boxes on wednesday... sorry was a little disorganized getting that started.

EDIT: Tried calling USPS in several locations to see if they had boxes, didnt get one answered call...

Do you mean you are still waiting for USPS boxes, or do you mean you have already mailed out our orders last Wednesday?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:22:40: Still haven't gotten the boxes. Should have sent out for them before the keys got here...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:23:47: You don't have to call anyone. Just go here and order priority boxes for free: https://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10052&catalogId=10001&categoryId=10000036
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:47:41: Litster:

Sorry for the confusion. I ordered the boxes Wednesday of last week. The problem was, it said it would take 7 or so days to arrive. This is why I was calling around to see if I could get them in-store. After a day or two of that I realized ordering them online was the only way - and I should have just done that first.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Tue, 25 October 2011, 15:56:30: Got it. No problem. I have had luck just walking into post offices and get the boxes they have on shelves.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: godofdeath on Tue, 25 October 2011, 20:28:40: if anyone not want a black moogle kit i will take it
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Mon, 31 October 2011, 20:51:22: cycloverid, have you received your boxes yet? When do you think you can send them out? Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Tue, 01 November 2011, 13:55:15: Quote from: litster;443021
cycloverid, have you received your boxes yet? When do you think you can send them out? Thanks.

x2 ...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 02 November 2011, 18:17:46: Yeah, sorry everyone. The boxes arrived on Friday of last week.

I entered all the shipping info in the USPS program last weekend, but didn't have time to do more. This weekend I will ship everything off at once.

Sorry for the wait. I did warn everyone that this would be difficult for me!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Wed, 02 November 2011, 18:18:22: Sweet!!!! Thanks for the update man!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: xbb on Wed, 02 November 2011, 20:13:11: Thanks! I sent you a Pm with my correct address
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Wed, 02 November 2011, 20:20:18: Interested in future rounds.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: the_buff on Sat, 05 November 2011, 16:29:58: Exciting, I had almost forgotten about paying for these. Looking forward to them.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 05 November 2011, 19:15:52: Cycloverid: any chance we could use these svg files in GB R4 for those that are just ordering cherry corp doubleshots in the recent GB?

I just missed this round, and would love to get in for a black moogle kit soon.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sat, 05 November 2011, 19:32:58: cycloverid said 2 weeks ago that he is going to pass the SVG files to 7bit once he makes the final adjustment. 7bit is waiting for the files and will use them when they become available.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 05 November 2011, 20:26:35: Ah good. Saves me a lot of work! ;)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Mon, 07 November 2011, 08:39:47: So did they ship?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 07 November 2011, 08:50:19: Quote from: litster;446404
cycloverid said 2 weeks ago that he is going to pass the SVG files to 7bit once he makes the final adjustment. 7bit is waiting for the files and will use them when they become available.

If he waits until the deadline, I will throw them out of the group buy!

For doing layout graphics, they would need no tweak at all!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:17:27: Quote from: cycloverid;444471
Yeah, sorry everyone. The boxes arrived on Friday of last week.

I entered all the shipping info in the USPS program last weekend, but didn't have time to do more. This weekend I will ship everything off at once.

Sorry for the wait. I did warn everyone that this would be difficult for me!

Cycloverid, can you give us an update? Any update at all? You received tracking number from Melissa on October 13th. You said it was delivered on the same day. You said you have all keys sorted in ziplock bags on Oct 15th. And mailing boxes arrived over a week ago, yet, we still don't know whether you have them packed and shipped or not. If you are busy, that is cool. Just a heads up to us would be fine. But we have not heard from you days on end. What's up dude?
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Post by: jpm804 on Mon, 07 November 2011, 13:35:38: Also looking for any update on the shipping status? Almost willing to just come pick it up now since he is in the bay area also.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:15:31: Spent atleast a couple hours last night getting all the right quantities of keys into boxes, with little post-it notes on each one with your real names. Now all I have to do is get the labels on each one and bring them to USPS.

Sorry, tomorrow morning they'll be off. :(
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:17:16: Quote from: cycloverid;447504
Spent atleast a couple hours last night getting all the right quantities of keys into boxes, with little post-it notes on each one with your real names. Now all I have to do is get the labels on each one and bring them to USPS.

Sorry, tomorrow morning they'll be off. :(

While you are here: What about the SVGs?

May I have them, PLEASE¡!!!¡!¡
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:20:16: That's cool. As long as you give us an update... cuz we know no one ships as fast as reaper! =P
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:21:08: Yeah, I'll just give you the un-edited ones 7bit. Things are getting a little hectic for me!

reaper: Yeah? But I gave away a free doubleshot set on one of these... who else does that?!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:23:33: Quote from: cycloverid;447512
Yeah, I'll just give you the un-edited ones 7bit. Things are getting a little hectic for me!

No problem.

Awesome thanks!!!!!!!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Mon, 07 November 2011, 15:39:44: cycloverid, thanks for the update. I don't freak out now. Thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Mon, 07 November 2011, 17:00:16: Quote from: cycloverid;447512
reaper: Yeah? But I gave away a free doubleshot set on one of these... who else does that?!

No one and I wish it was me that you give the free set to. lol
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 07 November 2011, 17:40:54: Yes it looks like mooglekit might just make it into round 4 ;)

Thanks guys!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Mon, 07 November 2011, 18:29:17: Nevermind!

I realized I have all of these keys replaced already anyways with RGBY sets.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 07 November 2011, 18:40:23: I don't!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Mon, 07 November 2011, 18:40:46: Quote from: Oqsy;447613
Yes it looks like mooglekit might just make it into round 4 ;)

Thanks guys!

Good would love to order just a moogle kit for my dolch set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Mon, 07 November 2011, 18:59:34: Quote from: RColinTaylor;447626
Nevermind!

I realized I have all of these keys replaced already anyways with RGBY sets.

With moogle kit, you can replace the spacebar as well.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Mon, 07 November 2011, 19:02:11: But Litster, the moogle kit didn't come with the spacebar?

Edit: nevermind, it did, but I doubt it was a Leopold sized spacebar. I need to read more though; blind assumptions are killing me today.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 07 November 2011, 19:04:20: Quote from: jpm804;447639
Good would love to order just a moogle kit for my dolch set.
dont remind me :(
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 07 November 2011, 19:40:49: Moogle kits have a Caps Lock too
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 07 November 2011, 19:48:50: wish they had left shifts too
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: BiNiaRiS on Mon, 07 November 2011, 22:20:33: i'm 99% sure I don't need/want the black set that I ordered. PM if you'd like it. $22 shipped once I get it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 09 November 2011, 12:44:22: Alright everyone, the orders are finally out!

I hope everything gets there safely and in the right numbers.

Now I can move on to doing a couple SVG's for the red esc thread.

PS: Make sure you print your postage online for anyone organizing a group buy!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Wed, 09 November 2011, 12:45:34: Good to hear! Thank you!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Wed, 09 November 2011, 12:47:04: Thank you! Thank you! My Cherry double shots now have a purpose!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: godofdeath on Wed, 09 November 2011, 16:06:31: ooo yay can't wait i want the ones im buying off sum1111111111111
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:06:40: Good to hear... since I'm about 45 minutes away from you. Hopefully it gets to me by tomorrow...*crosses fingers*
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:20:36: I need a left shift, anybody have an extra white one?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 09 November 2011, 17:24:20: Biniaris has some white sets for sale, he might be willing?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:16:00: they come with RGB set, which is also what i have.

i don't mind the RGB set, but i'd like the full white set if possible.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Wed, 09 November 2011, 19:28:02: I just checked the receipts for the shipments.

All the US orders have a delivery estimate of 11/12 (Saturday). I hope that's the latest the US orders will receive them, and hopefully closer geekhackers will get them sooner.

Note: I sent almost all of them this morning. A couple were sent the day before, but the line was just too long then. I made the mistake of not paying for the postage online and could have saved a lot of hassle doing it that way.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: xbb on Wed, 09 November 2011, 19:31:14: Quote from: cycloverid;448620
Alright everyone, the orders are finally out!

I hope everything gets there safely and in the right numbers.

Now I can move on to doing a couple SVG's for the red esc thread.

PS: Make sure you print your postage online for anyone organizing a group buy!

thanks, sent you a pm
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Wed, 09 November 2011, 22:38:58: Awesome, thanks for everything. I'm looking forward to getting them and finally completing the set for my Das. Now the only thing left is the Cherry Red Esc.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:29:37: Got mine! They look great. Pics later tonight. :D
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Thu, 10 November 2011, 15:44:57: Quote from: hashbaz;449498
Got mine! They look great. Pics later tonight. :D

Nice, hopefully mine come in today also since we are both in the bay.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 10 November 2011, 16:12:18: I still want to see what a black kit looks like next to the Cherry blacks - take pics someone. Hashbaz is sending me a couple black keys so I can check those out.

For everyone getting the white kits, I suggest using the Moogle right shift, as the boldness and size differences will be less conspicuous. If only it had been perfect ...

I have a feeling the black kit is going to be extra sweet.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 16:41:30: Oh snap, I forgot to send you those keys. And it looks like USPS is closed tomorrow for Veteran's Day. Next week I guess, sorry. :-|

I just took some pictures of the black kit on my white Leopold. My camera cable is at home. Overall, I'm very impressed. But I can see what you mean about how they look a little bolder than the other keys.

I hope others will post pics of the white set with white Cherry caps, as I sold my only set a while ago in anticipation of Ascaii's group buy.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:03:50: Quote from: hashbaz;449554
I just took some pictures of the black kit on my white Leopold. My camera cable is at home.

Heh, just realized that my Leopold's cable is a mini-USB to USB like my camera uses. Sorry the images are a bit blurry -- the light in my office is not great and I had to snap these in a hurry. I'll put them on my Rosewill tonight and take some better pics.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]31527[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31528[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31529[/ATTACH]
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:34:46: Quote from: hashbaz;449565
Heh, just realized that my Leopold's cable is a mini-USB to USB like my camera uses. Sorry the images are a bit blurry -- the light in my office is not great and I had to snap these in a hurry. I'll put them on my Rosewill tonight and take some better pics.

Is that the original Leopold space bar? Or does the one from the kit actually work?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:36:19: =/

I can still see the proportion issues despite the blurriness. In this case I'd say it's mostly just the scale being like ~10% off on the text.

Only closer inspection will tell.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:39:15: Quote from: MissileMike;449577
Is that the original Leopold space bar? Or does the one from the kit actually work?

No, I should have mentioned that. It's a WASD spacebar modded by TheProfosist.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 10 November 2011, 17:42:02: Quote from: cycloverid;449579
=/

I can still see the proportion issues despite the blurriness. In this case I'd say it's mostly just the scale being like ~10% off on the text.

Only closer inspection will tell.

Still light-years better than the original moogle kit with SP's default font. You did a fantastic job.

Let's compare, shall we?

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21593&d=1311203687)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28747&d=1318745629)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 01:20:02: Moar pics:

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]31575[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31576[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]31577[/ATTACH]

Gotta say, they look pretty fantastic.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Fri, 11 November 2011, 02:05:15: Hash, give me your white ds's.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 11 November 2011, 02:21:50: Sorry, sold the only set I had. Getting more from Ascaii soon hopefully, though.

P.S. Not a fan of SP's spacebar. It hurts us.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 11 November 2011, 02:27:10: Cool yeah - looks awesome. Look how polished and shiny your keys are!

The black keys look very close. Now to take notes for the RGB/Esc SVG's.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Fri, 11 November 2011, 03:36:51: darn it... didnt get my set today even though I live in san jose =P Hopefully it comes tomorrow, darn you USPS.:whip:
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sat, 12 November 2011, 13:29:52: There was no mail delivery on Friday. My order arrived today!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sat, 12 November 2011, 14:08:25: Quote from: litster;450619
There was no mail delivery on Friday. My order arrived today!

I just realized that yesterday also... hahaha hope it comes today because if it take 2days + to get from San fran to san jose,,I'm gonna kill USPS...=P

Also lister throw up some pics, I know you have some nice boards and keycap sets to match with them =D
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sat, 12 November 2011, 16:01:47: You forgot the enter.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: calavera on Sat, 12 November 2011, 16:21:24: I got my set today!!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Sat, 12 November 2011, 19:30:06: i need a white left shift :(

also, got mine today. thanks!

along with my geekhack wasdkeyboards set and custom spacebar
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:34:38: Thanks Cycloverid.. got my sets today.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:36:31: Next group buy for Lshift, Enter, Backspace, and Tab!!!

Seems like a lot of people want those to match properly lol
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:40:04: Quote from: tsangan;450952
Next group buy for Lshift, Enter, Backspace, and Tab!!!

Seems like a lot of people want those to match properly lol

Wait, what? People want to match these against the existing moogle kit, rather than the real Cherry versions?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: tsangan on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:42:13: Quote from: hashbaz;450953
Wait, what? People want to match these against the existing moogle kit, rather than the real Cherry versions?
A full faux cherry set would look better then a half & half, and I'm guessing some people don't want to or don't have Cherry sets to use for the other 4 keys
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:45:44: I'd like a set with full bottom row minus space, both shifts, tab, enter, backspace, and maybe Esc. If all those match, then the edit and numpad keys can be original cherry and still match well.

So, an all faux cherry kit could work, but I think the keys I mentioned make the best cherry supplement kit for matching cherry keys on modern boards. Both shifts would match, and all the alpha cluster caps with words would be consistent. The "Oqsy kit" would be expensive, tho. More setup fees for several keys. It would take a decent sized buy to be worth it. From then on they'd have the templates tho. Food for thought.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Sat, 12 November 2011, 23:59:17: yeah i wouldn't mind a full set. seeing as some cherry sets come with RGB so you don't get left shift either, like my set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sun, 13 November 2011, 00:42:44: Quote from: demik;450965
yeah i wouldn't mind a full set. seeing as some cherry sets come with RGB so you don't get left shift either, like my set.

Exactly... =(

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc467/jpm804/Keyboard%20Stuff/DPP_0102.jpg)

I wouldnt mind a full set also.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 13 November 2011, 00:46:20: Quote from: jpm804;450982
I wouldnt mind a full set also.

x3

I'm on the same boat, all my Cherry sets are RGB sets. On a hunt for a regular black on white set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: jpm804 on Sun, 13 November 2011, 01:20:32: Did a quick compare pic:

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc467/jpm804/Keyboard%20Stuff/DPP_0106.jpg)

Top: Moogle Kit
Middle: Cherry DS
Bottom: Cherry pad printed
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 13 November 2011, 02:55:59: We'll have the Escape and left Shift setup fees covered after my buy, at least. Tab, Enter, and Backspace seem like overkill to me though. Especially Backspace. It's not next to any other faux keys. Same for Esc (unless it's a red Esc of course).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: N8N on Sun, 13 November 2011, 06:52:37: Got my kits yesterday. My board with the doubleshots is at work, but now I've got stuff to do next week! (now to wait for the beige doubleshots...)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 13 November 2011, 07:32:49: Quote from: hashbaz;451017
We'll have the Escape and left Shift setup fees covered after my buy, at least. Tab, Enter, and Backspace seem like overkill to me though. Especially Backspace. It's not next to any other faux keys. Same for Esc (unless it's a red Esc of course).

I was thinking red esc.
Also, some of us are OCD about legends ;)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Sun, 13 November 2011, 08:41:21: I'm going to try the "handbag" capslock and "boxed X" backspace from GB4, noir style, and see how they mix with black cherry DS.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 13 November 2011, 11:09:15: [ATTACH=CONFIG]31795[/ATTACH]
I think they turned out very nice. The text is a little too bold, but it still looks so much better than the SP psuedo comic sans font. The differerence in key profile bugs me a lot more than the legend difference. If someone was going to go for more matching keys, the European textless style would probably be best. I have the textless backspace and tab keys on my board. Adding textless / symbol only shifts, enter and capslock would definitely interest me.

Thanks for doing these cycloverid.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Sun, 13 November 2011, 12:12:55: Quote from: lysol;451143
If someone was going to go for more matching keys, the European textless style would probably be best. I have the textless backspace and tab keys on my board. Adding textless / symbol only shifts, enter and capslock would definitely interest me.

I was just thinking about that ordering some Round 4 keycaps. There are textless all of them in the Round 4 (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4#HANDBAG_.28Handbag_.28Lock.29_key.29) (arrowup, arrowdown, handbag, backspace) but not enter and tab.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Sun, 13 November 2011, 12:33:51: Quote from: dux;451164
I was just thinking about that ordering some Round 4 keycaps. There are textless all of them in the Round 4 (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4#HANDBAG_.28Handbag_.28Lock.29_key.29) (arrowup, arrowdown, handbag, backspace) but not enter and tab.

7bit wants to take care (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?20485-Double-shot-replacements-ROUND-FOUR!&p=451168&viewfull=1#post451168).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 14:18:26: Caps Lock doesn't fit my G80-3000! WHY CENTER POST?! These are supposed to be replica cherry doubleshot right? Then why isn't the post on the left? Is anyone else in the same boat, or am I the only one? WHY??!!!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 13 November 2011, 14:23:44: They are for modern boards with cherry mx like filco, das, leopold, etc. the 3000 should work with most of the original cherry corp ds caps, except bottom row on boards without winkeys etc.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 13 November 2011, 14:27:17: Quote from: The_Ed;451245
Caps Lock doesn't fit my G80-3000! WHY CENTER POST?! These are supposed to be replica cherry doubleshot right? Then why isn't the post on the left? Is anyone else in the same boat, or am I the only one? WHY??!!!
Why don't you wanna use the awesome Cherry stepped caps lock instead?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 14:33:54: I use caps lock for games, and my finger falls down the step. This causes a split second delay in pressing it, which is annoying!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 14:38:26: I don't remember it being said anywhere that it was center post. It is a "replica" of the cherry DS, which is left posted, so it should also.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 15:06:28: Finally got around to take a couple pictures of the moogle kits. Just took picture of the white/beige set.

Moogle kit with Cherry Dye Sub keycaps on Filco Gen1 with MX Blue.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31842&d=1321218041)

A comparison shot of 3 right shift keycap. From the top: Cherry dye sub, SP Moogle kit from November 2011, Cherry double shot.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31843&d=1321218042)

I would have included the white/beige right shift key from group buy 3 moogle kit, but I don't have a set :-(.

Edit: macro closeup shots of the 3 keys. Sorry that I didn't scale them to the same size.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31845&d=1321219025)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31846&d=1321219026)

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31844&d=1321219024)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: cycloverid on Sun, 13 November 2011, 15:46:16: The Ed: I'm sorry there was a misunderstanding. I'm not sure where you jumped on board to the group buy, but on the first of my two threads I thought I was very clear all of these keys were intended for modern key layouts (Hence the 1.25 keys as well). If they were all the Cherry Capslock replicas, all of us with Filcos, etc would have to mod the stems :/

Litster: Those pictures are so helpful - thanks! I think I finally see the optical illusion effect between the beige and black keys. In my defense, doubleshot widths are incredibly variable (Cherry being slightly moreso than SP from what I've observed).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 15:49:37: I think this Moogle Kit right shift looks perfect. You can't tell the difference unless you look at the macro pictures. With my naked eyes they are perfect. Thanks again!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 13 November 2011, 15:51:00: Quote from: litster;451300
I think this Moogle Kit right shift looks perfect. You can't tell the difference unless you look at the macro pictures. With my naked eyes they are perfect. Thanks again!

He is right, the results are as close as one can achieve when outsourcing the production. Your SVG's were good enough to make SP create a 98% identical keycap to an old, vintage style.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 16:39:44: "modern key layouts" means the width and shapes of keys, not specifically the stem layout. I have read every single post in both threads, and I don't remember ever reading that this was center stemmed. It may have been in there somewhere and I just don't remember. I think this should set a precedent that post layout should be specified in the opening post. And another thing, the 2 windows and menu key that fit my board are angled for the wrong row (or at least wrong). They are taller in height and the bottom of the keys is even taller above the rest than the front is. I'm talkin' 3-4mm at least! They are so high that I can see the switches underneath with my eyes at table level... Keycaps are supposed to "cap" keys right? Is a real cherry keyboard's keys really that different from today's keys? And yes, I have pressed them on as far as they go. When the cap bottoms out it can't go on any farther.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 13 November 2011, 16:55:29: @The_Ed:

A Moogle Kit is designed to replace the keys on a vintage set that do not fit on the newer/different keyboards. One of the most notable problems is the off-center stems on the Caps Lock which, in order for a moogle kit to be worthwhile, has to be center-stemmed. I would make the guess that 75% or more of the orders in this group-buy would not have existed if the kit was 100% the same as an old Cherry keycap set. It was more about the legends and color than anything else.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:02:34: OK, but what about the height/angle? Anyone who bought 99-hk's 104 doubleshot set (like me) will have this problem right? And if people got their cherry DS from a donor board they should also run into it right? Come on, I can't be the only one?!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:03:57: Quote from: The_Ed;451334
OK, but what about the height/angle? Anyone who bought 99-hk's 104 doubleshot set (like me) will have this problem right? And if people got their cherry DS from a donor board they should also run into it right? Come on, I can't be the only one?!

Are you putting these on a Blackwidow because, as Litster's pictures will show, they fit completely normally on a Filco.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:06:08: Quote from: litster;451277
A comparison shot of 3 right shift keycap. From the top: Cherry dye sub, SP Moogle kit from November 2011, Cherry double shot.

Edit: macro closeup shots of the 3 keys. Sorry that I didn't scale them to the same size.

As far as I can see the texture on that Cherry dye sub PBT is as smooth as baby's bottom. Is it really that good? It seems it is kinda slippery.
I wonder how does it feel compared to the more texturated Topre.
The SP key texture and key profile is very similar to Topre. I think SP PBTs should feel very close to Topre keys.

Could anyone confirm this?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:06:25: If you read my posts you will see i'm putting them on my G80-3494LYCUS-2 with 99-hk's vintage cherry 104 set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:24:30: Quote from: The_Ed;451339
If you read my posts you will see i'm putting them on my G80-3494LYCUS-2 with 99-hk's vintage cherry 104 set.

That original cherry keys have a different key profile, it is especially noticeable on the bottom row. You should stick with the original windows and menu keys, or replace the whole bottom row including the spacebar. Also the capslock won't fit.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:26:01: Quote from: The_Ed;451339
If you read my posts you will see i'm putting them on my G80-3494LYCUS-2 with 99-hk's vintage cherry 104 set.

Are you mixing front row keys, using Ctrl and Alt from the Cherry set and the Windows key and app menu key from the Moogle kit? If so, just use all front row keys from the Moogle kit.

EDIT: what RiGS says!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:28:21: The_Ed, did you buy the kit solely for the Caps Lock?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:33:36: The caps, 2 windows, and menu keys. And I'm not going to replace the whole bottom row because as I said before I can see under them from table level!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:33:46: Quote from: hashbaz;451348
The_Ed, did you buy the kit solely for the Caps Lock?

Probably. the kit from 99HK came from Cherry 104 key keyboards. Everything works except the capslock. I tihnk pretty much every old-timer knows what a moogle kit is. It could be confusing to noobs, especially if your cherry double shot set is different from most other Cherry double shots.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:34:59: Quote from: The_Ed;451351
The caps, 2 windows, and menu keys. And I'm not going to replace the whole bottom row because as I said before I can see under them from table level!

LOL! who types with their eyes at the table level? Maybe my kid when he was 2 years old :-)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:35:06: @The_Ed

If you do need an older, offset and stepped capslock let me know; I can either give it to you for free at the cost of shipping or if you order some doubleshots in my buy I can throw it in that package in about a month and a half.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:37:22: Quote from: RColinTaylor;451358
@The_Ed

If you do need an older, offset and stepped capslock let me know; I can either give it to you for free at the cost of shipping or if you order some doubleshots in my buy I can throw it in that package in about a month and a half.

He has an off-site capslock from the 99hk kit. He wants an off set capslock that is not stepped.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:37:33: The orignal non-stepped capslock has centered stem. I think he wanted one with off-center stem. I hate to disappoint him, but there is no such key.
You should stick with the original stepped DS key, or mod the other one.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:40:19: 99-hk's caps lock fits, all 104 do. I wanted an UNSTEPPED caps lock. And since the 2 windows keys and menu key aren't doubleshot I wanted those too. And no, I do not type at table level. I can see more of the switches at normal height, but to still see the switches from table level says somethin'.

edit: The original non-stepped caps has centered stem, but the original stepped caps has non-centered stem?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:43:11: I think you should consider selling your moogle kit.
Quote from: The_Ed;451367
edit: The original non-stepped caps has centered stem, but the original stepped caps has non-centered stem?

Yes.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:48:06: Is this similar to what you have? My das2's case amd otaku key profile are basically the same as your keyboard.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31860&d=1321227963)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:52:30: probably 50% higher for me, if not more...

edit: remember i can see underneath it quite well from that angle.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 17:58:23: Well then either your case is different than mine, or something else is wrong. I definitely not seeing height difference between 3mm to 4mm. Take a picture of the problem and post it here.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 18:00:33: Those are Cherry profile blank POM keys right?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Sun, 13 November 2011, 18:03:23: my phone takes better pictures than my ancient camera, I'll have to borrow a camera...

Pictures here when taken...

[ATTACH=CONFIG]31863[/ATTACH]

I **** you not, at LEAST 3-4mm or more
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 November 2011, 18:04:56: Quote from: RiGS;451397
Those are Cherry profile blank POM keys right?

I think they are. They have exact same profiles with my other Cherry double shot keycaps.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RiGS on Sun, 13 November 2011, 18:14:17: Indeed those are blank cherry keycaps.
(http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_images/blank_black_cherry_3000_104_key_large.jpg)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 13 November 2011, 19:31:26: On my set, the moogle kit right shift key sits higher than my cherry doubleshots on that row. Is anyone else seeing this?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 13 November 2011, 19:49:33: It sits about 2 mm higher than the rest of the row. I verified this on 2 leopolds and a ducky 1087...

The doner board was a G81-1822HQ.... Perhaps it has different profile cherry keys than other cherry boards? Because someone else would have definitely noticed this.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Sun, 13 November 2011, 20:08:33: Ah hah... I guess it would be pretty easy to grind that shift stem down a little then...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 14 November 2011, 06:58:07: So I should try to grind down the shafts on the 2 windows, and menu keys? But that still wouldn't fix the angle problem, only the height. And the caps lock would have to have it's shaft completely removed, and a new one glued/epoxied in... which aint gonna happen, i'm too lazy.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 14 November 2011, 09:02:40: Quote from: The_Ed;451735
So I should try to grind down the shafts on the 2 windows, and menu keys? But that still wouldn't fix the angle problem, only the height. And the caps lock would have to have it's shaft completely removed, and a new one glued/epoxied in... which aint gonna happen, i'm too lazy.

The angle problem is inherent to all SP keys. I think the only way around it is to use the moogle kit for your entire bottom row. As for modding your Caps Lock, TheProfosist can probably do it for you for a reasonable fee.

I do sympathize with your situation, but I feel like you totally misunderstood the purpose of this kit. You could definitely recoup your costs by selling it, as there are a bunch of new 2-shot owners from this buy (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23218-ORDER-THREAD-20-Used-Cherry-Doubleshots-Round-2). I know Oqsy in particular is looking for a moogle kit. You might try posting in that thread directly.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: the_buff on Mon, 14 November 2011, 10:36:34: Got mine in the mail on Saturday, and they look great! Thank you for running this group buy cycloverid.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: 7bit on Mon, 14 November 2011, 11:12:37: Quote from: MissileMike;451449
On my set, the moogle kit right shift key sits higher than my cherry doubleshots on that row. Is anyone else seeing this?

Just press it down with more force.

But not too much!

Not that you break anything!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MissileMike on Mon, 14 November 2011, 14:52:21: I can confirm mine was a simple stem length difference and grinding it down worked just fine.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:21:01: Got mine today. Thanks cycloverid.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/key%20caps/DSC06485.jpg)

^ White Leopold clears.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:30:10: that's weird, my menu key doesn't have the top line highlighted like yours

and it might just be the angle but, winkey looks a lot larger than yours too.

by the looks of it.. what i have if what everybody else has... yours came out a little different.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:44:31: ^ Thanks for pointing that out. Just hit F5 and you should be good. =D
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Post by: demik on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:48:55: are you a wizard?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: kaiserreich on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:55:24: The previous picture was from the GB3 MoogleKit + Current MoogleKit Right Shift
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:56:55: yeah i went back a few pages and saw the comparison between the two.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 14 November 2011, 17:57:56: The_Ed I'll buy yr moogle kit if its not working for yr needs. Let me know.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:00:27: Quote from: demik;452103
are you a wizard?

Nope, I'm a dummy for posting the wrong pic. >.<
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:08:09: Quote from: reaper;452117
Nope, I'm a dummy for posting the wrong pic. >.<

It was kind of magic though. I opened this thread, saw your response, then scrolled up and F5'd and it changed. I would have expected that if I could see your post I would also have seen the new picture. My timing must have been juuuuust right. :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: demik on Mon, 14 November 2011, 18:55:25: nope, same thing happen to me.

reaper is a wizard
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Atenacius on Thu, 17 November 2011, 10:21:15: My keys came in yesterday. They took a bit of force to get them all the way down. The legends are much bigger in person but they're still way better than past alternatives. Thanks again cycloverid. Looking forward to the Red Esc key!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 17 November 2011, 11:10:00: Quote from: Atenacius;454015
My keys came in yesterday. They took a bit of force to get them all the way down. The legends are much bigger in person but they're still way better than past alternatives. Thanks again cycloverid. Looking forward to the Red Esc key!

Me too! :D
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Thu, 17 November 2011, 11:22:37: Quote from: hashbaz;454067
Me too! :D

Me three! =D

So I can compare it with the original one. =P
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: The_Ed on Thu, 17 November 2011, 22:18:38: TheProfosist hasn't responded yet...

I was hoping to get the caps-lock modded like you suggested hashbaz.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: kaiserreich on Fri, 18 November 2011, 01:48:08: Got mine today.
It crossed the Pacific in 9 days, great speed.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lootbag on Fri, 18 November 2011, 16:04:11: Darn, I am in Canada and I still haven't received mine yet :(
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dux on Fri, 18 November 2011, 16:50:12: I got the keys, in Germany. I actually needed only centered Caps Lock and Spacebar so I am happy. CapsLock seems to have exactly the same profile as the corresponding Cherry row. Unfortunately, the modifier row has rather different profile, so I cannot combine the Win keys with my Cherry modifiers (that was my initial intention).
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: gilgam on Sat, 19 November 2011, 03:01:11: I got hem today , they look fine BUT

caps loft stem is centered ... is this normal ?
NA d the p is a little bit odd
but they look quite nice.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 19 November 2011, 08:28:21: Moogle kit caps lock stem IS CENTERED. This seems to have caught a few of you off guard.

Anyone wanting to sell their moogle caps lock or any of the bottom row modifiers plz pm me.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: iWuzHere on Mon, 21 November 2011, 07:39:11: Just got mine in today ( Canada )
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Post by: 7bit on Mon, 21 November 2011, 08:49:15: Quote from: gilgam;455346
I got hem today , they look fine BUT

caps loft stem is centered ... is this normal ?
NA d the p is a little bit odd
but they look quite nice.

This is normal, because you already have the superior off-center Caps Lock key from your genuine Cherry double-shots.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: agor on Mon, 21 November 2011, 12:55:55: Mine arrived saturday but I wasn't at home. Picked them up today and whoa theyre beautiful :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: MrPhil on Mon, 21 November 2011, 16:08:07: Mine got here in NZ, they're great! Thanks!
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Post by: Grond on Fri, 25 November 2011, 04:50:00: So did everyone in Europe receive their kits? And even New Zealand was served!? I didn't get mine yet! This proves once again that Italian posts are not only the laziest post service in the world, but also rank firmly among the worst services ever to be offered to mankind!!!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: pitashen on Fri, 25 November 2011, 12:42:30: Hey guys i am looking to get one of your right shift key from the g80-1800 or equivalent. Plz PM me if you are willing to let it go. THANKS!
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Post by: Ascaii on Tue, 29 November 2011, 00:19:12: got my sets, thanks!
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Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 November 2011, 00:53:08: Quote from: Ascaii;460476
got my sets, thanks!
Now spare me a beige/grey Cherry left shift my green one looks weird :rofl:
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Post by: Grond on Thu, 01 December 2011, 10:55:04: [video=youtube;_1uunRdQ61M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1uunRdQ61M&feature=related[/video]

At last they got in Italy, too! Thanks again!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Fri, 02 December 2011, 06:04:55: Sorry for double posting but I can't seem to be able to edit.
Anyway, I noticed this slight difference in alignement between the Moogle right shift and the original Cherry shiftes. Namely, the arrow is not vertically centered on ISO cherry keys.
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7087/shiftz.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/shiftz.jpg/)

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Moogle kit 2 right shift between Cherry ISO left shift and compact right shift.

It doesn't bother me much, also because I'm going to swap them with the new RGBY kit. However, I suggest that future Moogle kits should have a dedicated, if optional, ISO left shift.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Laggy-gaga on Fri, 02 December 2011, 07:30:20: juz got mine this morning
should order more
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Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 02 December 2011, 08:46:31: Quote from: Grond;462697
Sorry for double posting but I can't seem to be able to edit.
Anyway, I noticed this slight difference in alignement between the Moogle right shift and the original Cherry shiftes. Namely, the arrow is not vertically centered on ISO cherry keys.
...
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Moogle kit 2 right shift between Cherry ISO left shift and compact right shift.

It doesn't bother me much, also because I'm going to swap them with the new RGBY kit. However, I suggest that future Moogle kits should have a dedicated, if optional, ISO left shift.

Thanks for posting this. I'll make sure to offset the ISO Shift vertically in my RGBY buy.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Grond on Fri, 02 December 2011, 10:43:20: Quote
Thanks for posting this. I'll make sure to offset the ISO Shift vertically in my RGBY buy.

Well in the RGBY kit the iso left shift should be horizontally centered just like the right one, otherwise they won't match...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 02 December 2011, 11:13:56: Ok then.
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Post by: byFd on Mon, 19 December 2011, 18:15:44: any leftovers? :D
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Post by: soulfree914 on Thu, 22 December 2011, 20:49:36: Does anyone have the svg file for the alt/ctrl fonts?
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Post by: The_Ed on Fri, 23 December 2011, 16:04:14: Just pm either cycloverid or hashbaz. Just know that the svg's are currently being modified by cycloverid.
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Post by: cycloverid on Fri, 23 December 2011, 16:11:44: Yep, gave soulfree the SVG's.

I've just been bad with my pm's as of late.
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Post by: litster on Thu, 19 January 2012, 19:51:04: Hum, I have a question. 7bit has a Moogle kits in his group buy 4. The keys are listed on the wiki as follow:

1x Caps Lock (full-touch, 1.75 units)
1x Shift (1.75 units)
1x Shift (2 units)
2x Alt (1.25 units)
2x Control (1.25 units)
1x Alt Gr (1.25 units)
2x --windows flag-- (1.25 units)
1x --menu-- (1.25 units)
1x 6.25 units universal space bar (for Filco/Cherry/Leopold)

Are the shifts at the correct width for ANSI layout? I think I am confused. Thanks.
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Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 19 January 2012, 19:53:28: Nope. ANSI shifts are 2.25x and 2.75x. ISO left shift is 1.25x.

WASD Keyboards' blank keycap page (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/individual-blank-keycaps.html) is a great place to sanity check key widths.
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Post by: litster on Thu, 19 January 2012, 19:54:55: Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I thought. I will have to talk to 7bit about this :-)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:02:48: Unrelatedly, I'm considering running a group buy for another round of moogle kits. My RGBY keys will be finished in a couple of weeks and we'll be able to see cycloverid's latest and greatest legends.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:05:23: Quote from: hashbaz;494455
Unrelatedly, I'm considering running a group buy for another round of moogle kits. My RGBY keys will be finished in a couple of weeks and we'll be able to see cycloverid's latest and greatest legends.

I hope you do do the group buy. Seems like a lot of demand for moogle kits these days.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: dreamingftw on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:14:41: Interested in a another group buy because I just got some cherry corp doubleshots :)
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Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:28:34: Quote from: dreamingftw;494465
Interested in a another group buy because I just got some cherry corp doubleshots :)
Same here, and they are awesome!
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Post by: reaper on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:41:32: In for the next round! hashbaz, you're my hero for leading the next Moogle kit group buy! =D
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Post by: lightsout714 on Thu, 19 January 2012, 20:44:28: Quote from: dreamingftw;494465
Interested in a another group buy because I just got some cherry corp doubleshots :)

Me too I have two sets on the way!!! A white and a black.
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Post by: litster on Thu, 19 January 2012, 21:31:41: With left shift!
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Post by: tsangan on Thu, 19 January 2012, 22:33:12: Quote from: litster;494522
With left shift!
+1

If possible tab, enter and backspace also so all the modifiers will be uniform!
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Post by: korne on Tue, 21 February 2012, 11:00:02: Im up also!!! Hope next gb start soon!
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Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 21 February 2012, 11:26:21: Quote from: tsangan;494559
+1

If possible tab, enter and backspace also so all the modifiers will be uniform!

This seems like overkill to me, and will bloat the cost. I am planning to include left shift though.
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Post by: Ascaii on Wed, 22 February 2012, 16:29:54: I will definitely be in for another round.
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Post by: fstop on Wed, 22 February 2012, 16:58:25: Id like it to include tab, enter, backspace \| as well if it stays within reasonable prices. Hate mismatching things.
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Post by: Zehkul on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:01:54: See round 4 that is actually going to finish. ;P At least the black one is cheap there, and the white one would go down, too, with tons of orders.
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Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:03:39: Quote from: tsangan;494559
+1

If possible tab, enter and backspace also so all the modifiers will be uniform!

Quote from: hashbaz;520737
This seems like overkill to me, and will bloat the cost. I am planning to include left shift though.

Quote from: fstop;522202
Id like it to include tab, enter, backspace \| as well if it stays within reasonable prices. Hate mismatching things.

That's more than $100 in new legend fees, as well as a lot of work on the SVGs and uncertainty wrt how they'll turn out. Unless there is overwhelming demand for this and cycloverid or someone else is willing and able to do the SVGs, we're going to stick with Ctrl/Alt/Win/Space/Shift/Caps.

edit: and Menu :)
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Post by: tsangan on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:28:22: Whatever majority wants! I was thinking it was going to be expensive too, oh wells

we know the alt, control, shifts look great just have to edit the caps lock and we're good to go!

Oh and maybe the window and menu legend those were really thick last time but I'm okay with them
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Post by: fstop on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:33:55: I didn't realize it would be that big of a hassle to include the other modifiers although I would still like to see if its still possible / in demand. But say we get 50 orders (which doesn't seem unreasonable with the current demand for moogle kits) wouldn't $100-200 in legends not be a big deal?

I'm just curious, because regardless I'll still be down for the standard moogle kit.
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Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 22 February 2012, 17:47:07: I LOVE the thick windows and menu keys, except for the height/angle problem clearly documented here. The thickness is a perfect match to the thickness of a real cherry shift arrow.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 22 February 2012, 18:18:53: Quote from: tsangan;522232
Whatever majority wants! I was thinking it was going to be expensive too, oh wells

we know the alt, control, shifts look great just have to edit the caps lock and we're good to go!

Oh and maybe the window and menu legend those were really thick last time but I'm okay with them

I always felt the windows key was too thick and stands out too much compared to the rest of the keys.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 22 February 2012, 18:23:18: Quote from: tsangan;522232
we know the alt, control, shifts look great just have to edit the caps lock and we're good to go!

Oh and maybe the window and menu legend those were really thick last time but I'm okay with them

I'm still not sure whether we need new legends for Menu and Win. They are very noticeably thicker than real Cherry Menu and Win keys, but they don't look bad. I'll try to post a picture of the RGBY Ctrl/Alt/Shift keys (which have the latest, thinner legends) next to the Menu and Win keys from the second round moogle kit and we can make a judgment from that.

Quote from: fstop;522247
I didn't realize it would be that big of a hassle to include the other modifiers although I would still like to see if its still possible / in demand. But say we get 50 orders (which doesn't seem unreasonable with the current demand for moogle kits) wouldn't $100-200 in legends not be a big deal?

At 50 kits ordered the extra legends would add more than $2 per kit. Not hugely significant I suppose. Bear in mind though that we are splitting the order across three color schemes, so the prices for white and Dolch kits will almost certainly be more than the black kit. Adding $2 could feel more significant in that case.

Regardless, making the extra SVGs is work that I am not prepared to do myself. So we'd be creating (more) dependence on something outside my direct control, which I don't like.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 24 February 2012, 02:01:13: Dolch owners: anyone willing to loan me some sample keys so I can figure out the best SP colors for the Dolch moogle kit? Or do we already know what they are?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: litster on Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:04:08: I think I have some numpad keys I am not using now that I can send you. The trick though is these keys age, and each set may have a slighting different shade. So, one trick I have was to use Round 1 or Round3 group buy sets' modifiers as Dolch moogle kits :-). I think those colors were close enough.

As for Windows and Menu, they are way different then the rest of the keys and fonts. Since they are just graphics, you can't really tell they are thicker or thinner than other keys. At least I can't. I don't think we need to redo the Windows key or the Menu key. Unless, you want to use the new Windows 8 logo for the Windows key! Hahahaha! There I go again!
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: korne on Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:11:16: get my money!!! i wan't some sets for sure :)
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 24 February 2012, 11:17:15: Quote from: litster;524309
I think I have some numpad keys I am not using now that I can send you. The trick though is these keys age, and each set may have a slighting different shade. So, one trick I have was to use Round 1 or Round3 group buy sets' modifiers as Dolch moogle kits :-). I think those colors were close enough.

Kisakuku is going to hook me up locally with some Dolch reference. I'll find out what R1/3 used too.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sat, 25 February 2012, 13:03:36: I'm interested in this Group Buy and I don't actually think what tsangan said about extra keys is overkill. Have in mind there a some people that have ISO Cherry sets that need to complete the ANSI set the regular moogle kit plus other modifiers.

You need to buy another ANSI Cherry set just to have 4 keys you're missing in case you have ISO set.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 25 February 2012, 13:09:29: Quote from: guilleguillaume;525712
You need to buy another ANSI Cherry set just to have 4 keys you're missing in case you have ISO set.

I'm planning on making 1.25x ISO shifts available. From what I hear ISO enter keys are prohibitively expensive. What else is different on an ISO set ... slash?

I didn't want to bother with an interest check, but maybe it makes sense to hash out exactly how many people want which options.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sat, 25 February 2012, 13:56:10: I think I didn't explain myself good enough :sorry:

A pic from teaper:
(http://i.imgur.com/T607R.jpg)

Keys from regular moogle kit are marked with a red cross and the keys marked with a blue cross are the ones that people who have ISO Cherry Doubleshots sets lack apart from the standard moogle kit. If an user owns a set of Cherry doubleshots in ISO layout he needs the regular moogle kit plus 3 keys that are from ANSI layout. If they want them they must buy another ANSI set just for 3 keys which in my opinion is not worth it.

So what I think is that if there is enough interest we could make what tsangan said so people with ISO sets won't need to buy ANSI sets + moogle kit to complete their owned sets. Obviously all depends on what people demand but we could make happy many people with that option.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 25 February 2012, 14:36:38: Ok, I see. The biggest problem I see is that I'm pretty sure that Ragnorok recently discovered that ISO enter keys are very, very expensive. Can someone who's been following that thread confirm? I'm planning on including both shifts, and an option for an ISO 1.25x left shift. Backslash might add a lot of cost if we don't get a ton of ISO orders (which my RGBY buy didn't). ISO shifts will be cheap regardless since they are 1.25x like the modifiers.

I'm going to put up an interest check thread to see what everyone wants. I'll publish it on deskthority too and try to drum up support. Might help if DTers who post more there than I do helped spread the word.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 25 February 2012, 14:46:20: I'm not interested in ISO but that was the conclusion in the rag thread that the Jreturn was too pricey and not worth it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: balanar on Sat, 25 February 2012, 16:43:37: I am one of those people who would be immensely grateful for the the availability of a backslash as I will be coming into possession of a iso set of cherry doubleshots. Would it be possible to atleast get a quotation if we wanted to add that in?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: omuerte on Sat, 25 February 2012, 18:06:47: I think the point of bringing up a moogle kit+ for ISO owners wasn't to provide ISO layout keys but to allow people to scavenge keycaps from ISO layout boards. You'd be missing the ansi enter \ and lshift if you wanted to transplant an ISO set onto a modern ansi board. I'm interested in this since most of the DS keys you find on ebay come from ISO or compact layout pos boards these days.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 25 February 2012, 18:08:02: Quote from: omuerte;526040
I think the point of bringing up a moogle kit+ for ISO owners wasn't to provide ISO layout keys but to allow people to scavenge keycaps from ISO layout boards. You'd be missing the ansi enter \ and lshift if you wanted to transplant an ISO set onto a modern ansi board. I'm interested in this since most of the DS keys you find on ebay come from ISO or compact layout pos boards these days.

Ah I like that. I would buy one of these add ons as there does seem to be a lot of non ansi keyboards out there.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: balanar on Sat, 25 February 2012, 18:29:16: Yup I agree. Might as well get everything needed for iso doubleshots to be used in ansi boards. I have no idea how much more expensive this will make everything though.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 25 February 2012, 18:34:39: Quote from: balanar;526087
Yup I agree. Might as well get everything needed for iso doubleshots to be used in ansi boards. I have no idea how much more expensive this will make everything though.

Yah me neither. I think the issue is new legend fees/getting someone to do them. Its up to Hashbaz. I'm sure this GB will be very popular though as tons of people have been searching for moogles for a while.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: Zehkul on Sat, 25 February 2012, 18:41:52: Quote from: hashbaz;525806
Ok, I see. The biggest problem I see is that I'm pretty sure that Ragnorok recently discovered that ISO enter keys are very, very expensive. Can someone who's been following that thread confirm

Only below 15-25 orders. Above that it's a bit expensive, but okay. It's acceptable, ISO guys are used to paying more anyway. Now try to get 25 ISO folks...
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 25 February 2012, 23:12:47: Any ETA on the IC for the new moogle? Curious if it will turn out to be the standard or some extra keys.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 25 February 2012, 23:14:07: I'll try to put it up later tonight. I want everyone who has an opinion to express it and let's hash this out and see what there's demand for.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 25 February 2012, 23:21:47: Sounds good thanks.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sat, 25 February 2012, 23:44:40: Quote from: hashbaz;526306
I'll try to put it up later tonight. I want everyone who has an opinion to express it and let's hash this out and see what there's demand for.

I would say it should be all three kits (white, black, and dolch) with an add-on for each being the ISOkit. Six overall kits, three moogle styles, and the best imitation Cherry and Dolch keys in the world.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: omuerte on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:23:41: Quote from: RColinTaylor;526339
I would say it should be all three kits (white, black, and dolch) with an add-on for each being the ISOkit. Six overall kits, three moogle styles, and the best imitation Cherry and Dolch keys in the world.

Cripes I'm going to go broke I know it.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:25:08: Quote from: omuerte;526367
Cripes I'm going to go broke I know it.

Welcome to my world.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:26:04: Quote from: omuerte;526367
Cripes I'm going to go broke I know it.

Seems to be a common question when I post; not sure why though.

Quote from: reaper;526369
Welcome to my world.

You go broke because there hasn't been a Group Buy that you didn't put the first post in for.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: reaper on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:27:13: Quote from: RColinTaylor;526370
You go broke because there hasn't been a Group Buy that you didn't put the first post in for.

Oh I can name a few.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: RColinTaylor on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:29:45: Quote from: reaper;526371
Oh I can name a few.

Well, okay, there were a few that just didn't need to happen.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 26 February 2012, 00:31:32: Quote from: RColinTaylor;526372
Well, okay, there were a few that just didn't need to happen.

:p
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:14:16: Quote from: hashbaz;526306
I'll try to put it up later tonight. I want everyone who has an opinion to express it and let's hash this out and see what there's demand for.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27843

gogogogogoggoogo
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: godofdeath on Thu, 01 March 2012, 17:51:52: ne1 got the white set they don't want?
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 01 March 2012, 17:54:35: Quote from: godofdeath;532520
ne1 got the white set they don't want?

I'm willing to sell mine, but bear in mind that another moogle group buy will be starting soon.
Title: [Group Buy] Moogle Kit 2: FINAL ORDERS - LAST DAY 8/25
Post by: captain on Sat, 17 March 2012, 15:03:39: That would have been better if the numbers and Function keys legends were BIGGER and centered. The alphas look great! What about prefrontal la sprue marks? I think I see some, even in the relatively low res photo. (isn't there a precision mechanical removal method to mitigate those, which could solve the problem without retooling SP?)

Are there modifier keys from that run? It's the mods I want in olive. Plus TAB and ~