Mostly due to gaming I have this on my wrist.Show Image(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7162/climsyclipboardr.jpg)
I also use a modified claw grip and with 500-800 dpi.
I suggest a Razer Deathadder or the new Zowie AM that is about to be released. Both of these mice run very similar sensors. The Razer runs a modified version of the Avago 3090 and the AM uses the 3090 if I am correct.
The Razer has had proven results as one of the best sensors in the market, but suffers from a high LOD (Lift-Off Distance) and some complain about the build quality.
The Zowie has yet to be released, but theoretically, it should turn out to be one of the best, if not the best mouse on the market.
The Sensei is a gimmick. I once thought that the shell, lights, features, etc would justify the cost, but it also had sensor issues like acceleration. Then I thought to myself, "Why makes compromises with the mouse if I have to pay more?"
In my opinion grab yourself a Razer Deathadder Black Edition with an Artisan Hayate, and you'll be set.
Simply not true.
Razer doesn't produce any mice with the Avago 3090, their led sensors are modifications of the 3050.
Simply not true.
Razer doesn't produce any mice with the Avago 3090, their led sensors are modifications of the 3050. The 3090 seems to be newer than their latest led based mice (I say led instead of what most people call "optical" since both laser and led are optical).
So does anyone know if the steelseries laser mouses still have acceleration? if so then I was thinking of the razer imperator, the g500 right now is a little too much.
1. The looks are definitely better. The smooth chrome finish is comfortable and easy to grip. The lights are fantastic the best looking bling lights I have ever seen on any computer peripheral to date. Its simplicity is a plus factor actually. But one thing they could have improved on is the chrome finish itself. Black or white is still the best colors imho. Its quite rare if you can find a build that fits well aesthetically with a sudden touch of chrome finish. My build is all black and though it doesn't look out of place, its the only chrome colored device I have connected to the pc. It looks good on its own that I can say.
2. Sidebuttons suck bigtime for me though. Maybe its because the mouse I previously used for almost four years doesn't have side buttons. (im referring to the first version of the salmosa, not the new release which is a cheapo and smaller re-release) I'd say it was better if they had placed the side buttons a little offcentered from where you relax your thumb and ring finger because you can't help but accidentally press them! And they are so responsive that a minor movement of my thumb just accidentally presses them. Specially when you're using the on board menu, accidental press here and there.
3. I beg to disagree with their slogan saying its the most customizable mouse. I thought of a few things in my old razer that I can't seem to find yet in the s.s. engine. Like dynamically changing DPIwithout having to lift your mouse. You can only set it to two preset DPI per profile which you can switch with a button and if you wanted to adjust you have to lift the mouse up or use the engine. Considering the Sensei goes by its slogan - the world's most customizable mouse, you would expect that if it doesn't have close enough if not the same kind of feature, it has a substitute feature that works in the same way. The Razer has the on the fly sensitivity with on screen display even which I really like.
4. I wonder if its just because my mouse is new that the buttons are harder to press. Its crisp and tactile but I would definitely say it needs a bit more force to press than my salmosa or any other mouse I've used. Also in relation to this... the "pressing area" is quite small. I was expecting due to the shape of the mouse that it is going to be suited to my finger tip grip but I was wrong. Personally it would be best for palm grips. Because the area where you can actually press the two main buttons are just near the tip and gets harder as you move towards the middle of the mouse. Razer mice seem to have solved that and made a bigger responsive area.
5. Lastly, I have always wondered if looking at the underside of the mouse to use the onboard menu can ruin your eyes since the invisible laser might be shining straight into your eyes. I would have preferred on screen on the fly displays - the mouse has a processor and memory right? I hope a brilliant programmer can put this in a future update.
Simply not not true. :D
The S3888 in the DA 3500DPI and Abyssus is based on the A3090 (you could also say it's the other way around because the S3888 was used first), the A3090 is basically the publicaly available version.
The A3050 is a totally different sensor.
The accel. problem is a general issue of the A9500, the Sensei isn't different in that way, same goes for the G500.
Maybe it will be at least lowered in the upcoming ADNS-9800.
I got a Sensei yesterday, haven't had time to compare it to the Xai yet (as a Xai User I wouldn't have spent money on the Sensei).
Personally the small pos. accel. of the Xai never bothered me.
Newer mouse don't mean they're better. Many people are still had a hard time finding the right mouse to replace their 518 and DA before the 400 came out.
Yup.
Also, I've previous had the xai. I've only recently bought the sensei.
If you want to get rid of that rug burn on your wrist, do not get a lazer mouse based on the 9500. You'd be much more comfortable with a talent and a g400. Better performance at low dpi as well.
Newer mouse don't mean they're better. Many people are still had a hard time finding the right mouse to replace their 518 and DA before the 400 came out.
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If you want to get rid of that rug burn on your wrist, do not get a lazer mouse based on the 9500. You'd be much more comfortable with a talent and a g400. Better performance at low dpi as well.
Simply not not true. :D
The S3888 in the DA 3500DPI and Abyssus is based on the A3090 (you could also say it's the other way around because the S3888 was used first), the A3090 is basically the publicaly available version.
The A3050 is a totally different sensor.
The accel. problem is a general issue of the A9500, the Sensei isn't different in that way, same goes for the G500.
Maybe it will be at least lowered in the upcoming ADNS-9800.
I got a Sensei yesterday, haven't had time to compare it to the Xai yet (as a Xai User I wouldn't have spent money on the Sensei).
Personally the small pos. accel. of the Xai never bothered me.
Simply not not true. :D
The S3888 in the DA 3500DPI and Abyssus is based on the A3090 (you could also say it's the other way around because the S3888 was used first), the A3090 is basically the publicaly available version.
I thought the S3888 was based on the A3050 since it appeared a long time before the A3090 and the DA and the Abyssus don't have firmware issues as the new 3090 based mice... Is the 3090 also an infrared led sensor ?
It's weird that the rest of the companies can't get that sensor working while razer has pretty nice working mice based on an older version.
So what sensor did zowie say that the am was going to have?
Hmm ok estimated price would be like 60-90$?
I thought the S3888 was based on the A3050 since it appeared a long time before the A3090 and the DA and the Abyssus don't have firmware issues as the new 3090 based mice... Is the 3090 also an infrared led sensor ?
It's weird that the rest of the companies can't get that sensor working while razer has pretty nice working mice based on an older version.
The 3090 was out almost an entire year prior to the 3050. If anything the S3888/S3668's architecture is more similar to the 3060/3080 than the 3050 which has a completely different and smaller pixel array. Both sensors are LED based, but Razer uses an IR light source instead of the traditional red LED.
Razer has their own proprietary firmware or SROM. Logitech/I-Rocks haven't had trouble squeezing performance out of the 3090(3095). Logitech has a custom lens tho.
@ripsterI completely agree.
I am really getting confused and half pissed at some posts. I read some replies saying that some avago Axxx sensor on an old mouse is perfect and that its the best mouse blah blah. But then what made it different and better? I need answers to the same questions I asked earlier.
Why would manufacturers develop a newer sensor that sucks compared to the old one. I'm thinking it's like Intel creating i7 processors which perform less than a core2quad through and through. In my mind a manufacturer wont do that UNLESS they are developing off of a high end product and would like to market it to the non-enthusiast market like for example what they did to the Q6600, they developed several newer processors based on that but performed less so they can market it to mainstream. Even with that reasoning the architecture would still have an edge compared to the older version.
And it's not only on this thread. There are a lot of posts that I read from people who say bad things of a mouse BUT its obvious some of them haven't went out of their way to try a new mouse. e.g. someone saying the sensei is the same as the xai blah blah... (too obvious they havent even read the specs of the mouse).
When you say something sucks kindly explain why?
@ripster
I am really getting confused and half pissed at some posts. I read some replies saying that some avago Axxx sensor on an old mouse is perfect and that its the best mouse blah blah. But then what made it different and better? I need answers to the same questions I asked earlier.
Why would manufacturers develop a newer sensor that sucks compared to the old one. I'm thinking it's like Intel creating i7 processors which perform less than a core2quad through and through. In my mind a manufacturer wont do that UNLESS they are developing off of a high end product and would like to market it to the non-enthusiast market like for example what they did to the Q6600, they developed several newer processors based on that but performed less so they can market it to mainstream. Even with that reasoning the architecture would still have an edge compared to the older version.
And it's not only on this thread. There are a lot of posts that I read from people who say bad things of a mouse BUT its obvious some of them haven't went out of their way to try a new mouse. e.g. someone saying the sensei is the same as the xai blah blah... (too obvious they havent even read the specs of the mouse).
When you say something sucks kindly explain why?
Preferences I guess?well its not the way I hold my mouse but its response to my movement. Currently im using the fingertip grip. Ive gone through all the hand grip styles and found the fingertip grip to be the most responsive but the most tiring. It creates a somewhat accurate response even for this sidewinder x3 but I was looking for something that was even more accurate cause even with this mouse it tends to get some acceleration due to my mousepad being a hard smooth surface.
Why newer 9500 sucks compared to the old optical:
9500 isn't 1:1 tracking
So if you're okay with negative acceleration on cloth pad, and positive acceleration on hard pad, 9500 is for you. Even if you decide to go for something like it, the sensei isn't "worth it" (other than the new lights and macro ability).
But then you still have to figure in how you hold your mouse, how heavy you like your mouse.
Look at AMD and Bulldozer :DFor games like quake where quick accurate movements matter that 5% means a lot so yes. So the sensei now doesnt have this negative acceleration but it has 5% acceleration?
I'll try to explain the best I can. (I'm pretty bad at explaining tho ;p)
Back in early 2003-2004 the first "gaming grade" mice were equipped with High Performance optical sensors. While Agilent (now Avago) only rated these sensors for 40 IPS (Inches per sec= Max tracking speed), both Logitech and Razer brought out proprietary and open source versions that were able to track well above the 40 IPS rating and thus improved over time. Anyway, Logitech somehow created the first unofficial laser sensor out of a proprietary version of the Agilent ADNS-2020 (Optical sensor). The following year (2005), Agilent creates proprietary laser sensors for both Logitech and Razer to use. The problem was that these sensors weren't any better than the last generation opticals and pretty much failed at tracking anywhere close to the speed of previous sensors put forth. In fact, the laser technology was so undeveloped that it had trouble tracking on a fair range of cloth pads at the time. The only benefit? a Higher CPI range. (1600>2000) It certainty didn't stop marketing tho. 2000 CPI + Laser branding pretty much made bank for both companies.
Anyway fast forward a couple years (2007), and another laser shows up. This one while much better than the last, is still inferior to the max tracking rates of certain optical gaming mice. Only benefit was an increase of CPI. (2000>3200) The marketing continued.
Couple years past again> (2009) Avago 9500 is released. This time the sensor is boasting a whooping 5040 CPI upon release (5700 Through a custom firmware) Although unlike the previous sensors, this one went through an evolutionary change. The architecture and design was improved. It was able to run at frame rates twice that of their own opticals. It had a factory rating of "up to 150 IPS". Everything about it pretty much looked amazing on paper. Sadly, it was not without problems as there were gamers that got annoyed by the sensors tracking inconsistency.
-Sensor produces around a 5%~ positive acceleration flaw based on the rate of speed in which you move your cursor. While a lot of people don't have a problem with it, it can be annoying to those that are used to 1:1 response on the lower sensitivities.
-The sensor would hit negative acceleration and would malfunction on most cloth pads fairly early. (I'm happy to report that this isn't the case with the Sensei and it seems to be "fixed").
tl;dr The 9500 is indeed an improvement, just not for a gamer (yet.)
well its not the way I hold my mouse but its response to my movement. Currently im using the fingertip grip. Ive gone through all the hand grip styles and found the fingertip grip to be the most responsive but the most tiring. It creates a somewhat accurate response even for this sidewinder x3 but I was looking for something that was even more accurate cause even with this mouse it tends to get some acceleration due to my mousepad being a hard smooth surface.
Well its not that its simply the fact that their build quality is not what I would like. Plus wireless is a big no no for me since its more accurate to have a cable.It is not more accurate to have a cable, why would you ever think that?
If you're unsure of what mouse you want I'd recommend the Razer Deathadder, It's got like one of the best rep's and it's only 2/3 the price of the sensei.
It is not more accurate to have a cable, why would you ever think that?
It is not more accurate to have a cable, why would you ever think that?
Plus another question regarding all these sensor talks. The sensor is jut one part of the whole architecture right? Even with a perfect sensor if all else fails or at least on some part the mouse fails... then its all pointless.Yes, if you mess up something in the "data tranfer chain" from the sensor to your PC the best sensor can help.
Its more stable to have a cable than wireless.Wired mice are not more stable either.
Call it accuracy or call it a different term. Its better to use a wired than a wireless mouse.Its not better to use either. I agree with the quote below in the fact that there isnt a mouse for everyone. If there was there wouldnt be all these different mice an sensors on the market. Also the only thing there may be a problem with wireless mice is latency which has nothing to do with anything that has been mentioned. The latency on newer wireless gaming mice cant be noticed and you wouldnt be able to pick out the wired mouse in a placebo test.
"I wouldn't recommend 'leaping' at any mouse though, you need to know which feels best in your hand and that you feel like you can use through and through, for me, that is the intellimouse 3.0, for you it could be the sensei!"
The only bad thing about wireless mice is that if you forget to recharge em ur ****ed the next day.That is why with alot of them they come with 2 battery packs or even take rechargeable NiMH batteries, which you can easily swap out. That is what I do with my G700's. O and if your worried about the battery dieing in the middle of a session you shouldnt. All mice can last that long even with 1/4-1/2 charge. If your worried swap batteries right before a session.
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Wired mice are not more stable either.
Its not better to use either. I agree with the quote below in the fact that there isnt a mouse for everyone. If there was there wouldnt be all these different mice an sensors on the market. Also the only thing there may be a problem with wireless mice is latency which has nothing to do with anything that has been mentioned. The latency on newer wireless gaming mice cant be noticed and you wouldnt be able to pick out the wired mouse in a placebo test.
I wouldn't recommend 'leaping' at any mouse though, you need to know which feels best in your hand and that you feel like you can use through and through, for me, that is the intellimouse 3.0, for you it could be the sensei!
I apologize for not being more specific. The wired mouse is better for gaming and is more reliable even for non gaming situations. There is a reason why solids are better conductors and a reason why even after wireless has been in production for many many years and even after a lot of improvements on wireless technology, gamers still prefer the wired option e.g. The Razer Mamba which boasts of its wireless option has a wired option. Wireless, also is prone to interference. And this does not go only for mice. This goes for network connections and cellphone connectivity.I dont hate wired things but why be wired if you dont have to? Especially for something like a mouse which compare to all the other things we have wireless has very low data transfer. Heck if the G700 only came wired I would still have bought just as many. Yes I understand the interference claim which I would only worry about if you at a huge lan, then I would just plug in the cable that is a feature of many of the wireless mine out there. What I am trying to get across is that a mouse doesnt have to be wired to be good.
You may not prefer wired mouse but that doesn't mean wireless is a better option. Wired and wireless have their own pro's and con's but that's on different areas of preference like if you hate cables, or if you like a certain mouse shape etc etc.
But don't get me wrong, I agree with this statement as well
Specially with the shape of the mouse. Radically changing the shape of your mouse also radically extends your adjustment period. Best you take a look at what you currently have and go from there.
@TheProfosistTry out a G700 if you can its what brought me back to wireless and if you ever need its wired mode its there.
On that first point I agree as well. If I wasn't so into no interference and the least possible latency, i'd go wireless simply because I hate managing cables. I believe I am not the only person who looks at the 'wound up' and 'tied' cable and gets irritated.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1168062/evalutation-steelseries-sensei-review-56k-warningNice review I was sent a review unit of the original WoW mouse but didnt give it a favorable review and havnt been able to get a review sample since.
My take on the Sensei.
Try out a G700 if you can its what brought me back to wireless and if you ever need its wired mode its there.
hmmm... and speaking of the steelseries sensei. Everytime i search around the net, I keep reading stuff about Kana kana kana kana kana kana. Is that a confirmed mouse that they'll be releasing sometime soon?Confirmed but not officially announced.
Confirmed but not announced.... sounds shady.. so who confirmed it. Just leakage?their original mouse the Ikari Laser was righty only and I loved the thing i wish they would give it an update.
At 50USD sounds like a deal. The internal pics on their twitter page is that the 'mouse gore' pic that they posted in friendster as well?
I might get that when it comes out not that I don't like the sensei but because I have a good experience with steelseries.
Hopefully it comes in gloss white. I like the concept of just one button on the side. (i wish they make a non ambidextrous mouse for a change)
their original mouse the Ikari Laser was righty only and I loved the thing i wish they would give it an update.
Confirmed but not announced.... sounds shady.. so who confirmed it. If its really the official steelseries confirmation thats really interesting. Hhmm.. but its strange was it confirmed before the sensei was released?A while ago you could vote on the color of an upcomming mouse (Mouse1.1), the second pic is the winning color.
At 50USD sounds like a deal. The internal pics on their twitter page is that the 'mouse gore' pic that they posted in friendster as well?yep
Then stay far away from the g700, you would hate the crap out of it. Thicker and bulkier than the readings I see for the Sensei.
Ahh well the logitech g700 boasts of its shape. I think shape-wise for a right-handed person that would be better. But I had experience with those mice being too heavy. Hahaha.
Not really worth it, but love it nonetheless.
I also like the fact that you can put a mini black and white bmp pic or sig on the bottom.
I've been using the Sensei since about October. I got it for maybe $64 shipped cause of the discount they gave out at Blizzcon.
Mostly due to gaming I have this on my wrist.
I also use a modified claw grip and with 500-800 dpi.
what is getting on your wrist? the paint or stain in the desk?Its your skins natural reaction to putting constant pressure on a certain part.
I love mine don't notice much of the Acceleration Problems that I do on other Mice and on a decent hard Mousepad it glides.
My main concern so far is the acceleration that the xai and the kinzu have and if its the same with the sensei.
I've never noticed any acceleration issues with the Xai despite having seen this claim before.
Seconding this.
Silly Steelseries I see their pattern now..
http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2012/86015-sensei.jpg
Personally, I love my Sensei. I'll probably be back on it here fairly shortly (I rotate mice frequently).I'm currently using mine that I picked up a few days ago, I am loving it so far. I also rotate mice fairly often, but after getting my G600 and Sensei I don't really feel like using any of my other mice. It's also one of the best looking mice I've seen so far.
Definitely one of my favorites. Probably will pick up a RAW here soon, too.
http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2012/86015-sensei.jpg (http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2012/86015-sensei.jpg)