Requiring a force of only 50g to actuate, these new switches reset at almost half the distance of traditional mechanical switches, so you can double-tap effortlessly with blazing speed.
What are these kailh switches? Are they a Cherry clone?
also, I remember Cherry has a lifetime of 50 millions keystroke, why'd Razer only put 20 in there ?
Wow! 0,3mm higher actuation! That is INCREDIBLE! I will totally own those nerds with my new Razer switches.
I bet Cherry is not very happy about this.
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"If it comes down to play and skill, you know, all that matters, too, but, you know what it really comes down to is the tools that you use!"
You heard it here first folks.
What are these kailh switches? Are they a Cherry clone?
http://imgur.com/a/7ujle
also, I remember Cherry has a lifetime of 50 millions keystroke, why'd Razer only put 20 in there ?
Because marketing.
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."
Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."
Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?
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"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."
Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.
Why does a league of lesbians player opinion matter again? o. o you press 4 buttons no **** they're gonna use black widow
It is just me, or this just looks as another marketing thing?
isn't everything? razer is probably paying much less for these switches and will probably charge more, pure speculation of course.
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.
^this! :))
but, stem breaking off did happen to cherry mx also right? ;D
Haha can't wait for someone to open this board apart and have the stems break off in the process.
Has anyone considered razer did this in response to the rumors that logitech bought up most of cherry's production capacity?
"Having used the BlackWidow as my default keyboard for all these years..."
Yep, confirming I won't ever watch/play LoL.
Why does a league of lesbians player opinion matter again? o. o you press 4 buttons no **** they're gonna use black widow
Anything razer related = crap ton of viewers! :)) :)) :))Show Image(http://puu.sh/7leDU/9735446902.png)
Does anyone know what this mysterious "standard mechanical switch" specifications they are throwing around in the comparison chart?
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"If it comes down to play and skill, you know, all that matters, too, but, you know what it really comes down to is the tools that you use!"
You heard it here first folks.
This, guy, loves, commas, you know, too.
Because it is razer. :pAnything razer related = crap ton of viewers! :)) :)) :))Show Image(http://puu.sh/7leDU/9735446902.png)
Because we all want to hate on it...
Razer has no shame.Does anyone know what this mysterious "standard mechanical switch" specifications they are throwing around in the comparison chart?
They are bashing the cherry switches they used to prase as elite gamer switches lol :p
no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
so are we sure these are Kailh or cherry clones? could razer have worked with cherry to modify the stems?
But it does look like they've come up with something similar to Jailhouse Blues.
What? How are these related to Jailhouse Blues?
What? How are these related to Jailhouse Blues?
Clicky switches with a higher activation point. That's the whole point behind the Jailhouse Blues mod...
What? How are these related to Jailhouse Blues?
Clicky switches with a higher activation point. That's the whole point behind the Jailhouse Blues mod...
But jailhouse blue switches don't click do they??
Razer is the Microsoft of computer peripherals. They spend more time/money on marketing than QA. That and they build off of what other people have been doing for years.
But it does look like they've come up with something similar to Jailhouse Blues.
no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
I don't know about that. Back in WC3 dota you needed more keys than now in Sc2, at least for Invoker...no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
Really, they should be playing those games with arcade sticks
But it does look like they've come up with something similar to Jailhouse Blues.
What? How are these related to Jailhouse Blues?
Clicky switches with a higher activation point. That's the whole point behind the Jailhouse Blues mod...
I don't know about that. Back in WC3 dota you needed more keys than now in Sc2, at least for Invoker...no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
Really, they should be playing those games with arcade sticks
Shorter actuate point definitely helps in fast pace games.
I'll wait for them available in retail store, try on their arrow keys :D
Clicky switches with a higher activation point. That's the whole point behind the Jailhouse Blues mod...
IIRC they started as some sort of ghetto browns, could be wrong though. These switches however are a clone of the MX Blues, with a byfactor being a 0,3mm higher actuation that barely matters. Jailhouse blues should have about 1mm higher actuation.
I'm 5k mmr and platinum on dt35... it really doesn't matter. arcade stick is a little silly but really mechanical keyboards don't give an advantage it's pure marketing. we love mechanical keyboards for various reasons, helping you game better is ridiculous
and essentially it's qwerdf + 6 items, league players don't even a move lol. and who the hell smart casts?
I'm 5k mmr and platinum on dt35... it really doesn't matter. arcade stick is a little silly but really mechanical keyboards don't give an advantage it's pure marketing. we love mechanical keyboards for various reasons, helping you game better is ridiculous
When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
Show Image(http://www.kailh.com/images/Business%20Partners.jpg)
When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
Well if you played the game you would know, but anyway I will break it down for you...I don't know about that. Back in WC3 dota you needed more keys than now in Sc2, at least for Invoker...no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
Really, they should be playing those games with arcade sticks
How
True, there are significant differences, but the concept behind both designs is similar: a higher actuating switch.
Pretravel: 2.0 ± 0.6mm-> The higher actuaction is well within the tolerances and could be just part of a production batch :-\
This, guy, loves, commas, you know, too.
;_;
Well if you played the game you would know, but anyway I will break it down for you...I don't know about that. Back in WC3 dota you needed more keys than now in Sc2, at least for Invoker...no one is saying which is a better game I'm saying if you're using 4 buttons it doesn't matter what keyboard you use...
rofl.
Really, they should be playing those games with arcade sticks
How
Q (quas); W (wex); E (exort); R (invoke); Y(cold snap); V (ghost walk); G (ice wall); X (tornado); C (emp); Z (alacrity); F(forge spirits); D (meteor); T (sunstrike); B (deafening blast)... And these are only the spells it does not include the basic command keys which are basically same as in SC2 (M move,A attack,H hold,P patrol etc etc.) It has same for control groups, shift command and the function row was bound to select Hero. I am not even mentioning the Hotkeys for inventory (add 6 more here)... And remember this is only for Invoker, every other hero had different Hotkeys for different spells so there you have it.
True, there are significant differences, but the concept behind both designs is similar: a higher actuating switch.
I'm still not convinced that the higher actuation isn't just a byproduct. Take a look at their data sheets:
http://www.kailh.com/en/products.asp?Categoryid=113&rel=14QuotePretravel: 2.0 ± 0.6mm-> The higher actuaction is well within the tolerances and could be just part of a production batch :-\
True, there are significant differences, but the concept behind both designs is similar: a higher actuating switch.
I'm still not convinced that the higher actuation isn't just a byproduct. Take a look at their data sheets:
http://www.kailh.com/en/products.asp?Categoryid=113&rel=14QuotePretravel: 2.0 ± 0.6mm-> The higher actuaction is well within the tolerances and could be just part of a production batch :-\
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)
When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)
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When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)
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When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
He's a paid shill, just like anybody who uses a Razer product for promo's, but in private or in public uses somebody elses product.
Plenty of professional gamers wear razer headsets, but if you look carefully, have Ear buds underneath to hide the fact that they aren't using Razer's promo headset.
They only have to look the part, they don't actually have to use it to get their $$$
After 2 hits, he will think twice before winning a game.
After 2 hits, he will think twice before winning a game.
After 2 hits, he will not think anything anymore.
After 2 hits, he will not think anything anymore....ever.
Back on topic here...
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
Yeah I much prefer toilet paper when blowing my nose than regular kleenex.
Both Carter and Edgar Matias had already told me months ago that Razer was working with both Kailh and iOne to bring new keyboards with Cherry MX Clones with RGB backlighting.
Gentlemen, our worst nightmares are going to become true...
"The traditional switches were always designed for typing, not for the demands of gaming"...
Oh god... Here it comes..
"Durability increase to 60m keystrokess"...
Jesus christ, I'm going to puke.
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)
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When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
He's a paid shill, just like anybody who uses a Razer product for promo's, but in private or in public uses somebody elses product.
Plenty of professional gamers wear razer headsets, but if you look carefully, have Ear buds underneath to hide the fact that they aren't using Razer's promo headset.
They only have to look the part, they don't actually have to use it to get their $$$
These certaintly seem interesting. I shorter actuation point might be nice, though I'll wait for someone else to test them first. :D
If that's the case, then this is simply another example of Razer marketing bull**** products that really aren't any better than they were before (if anything, they'll be worse...)
(Attachment Link)When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
He's a paid shill, just like anybody who uses a Razer product for promo's, but in private or in public uses somebody elses product.
Plenty of professional gamers wear razer headsets, but if you look carefully, have Ear buds underneath to hide the fact that they aren't using Razer's promo headset.
They only have to look the part, they don't actually have to use it to get their $$$
9/10 at live events especially you will not often see players on the big stages or w/e wearing any branded Headset as they wear noise canceling cans for fairness reasons, the buds are more of a necessity.
Though I do agree I think that lots of people using headsets will still use buds under them if they can just to not use it, however i think headphones are not a great example for this type of argument, as its much much easier to wear a different headset from time to time when doing events that it would be to switch out a keyboard and mouse. while comfort does exist in headsets and if i use something different it woudl take me 5 mins maybe to setup the headset to my head, I would be fine with it much quicker than a mouse or keyboard.
but overall the guy is a paid shill and thats 100% clear but if razer want to pay me a decent amount of money to use their gear and also say i have to use it I would just have the switches changed to cherry's as with caps on everyone wins
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.
For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.
For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.
And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.
For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.
And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?
Razer is so full of **** they'll be using it to lube their switches.
And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?
Show Image(http://www.kailh.com/images/Business%20Partners.jpg)
Do keep in mind that Kailh also make mouse switches, which may account for some of their partnership relations...
But, in this case, I think the "Razer keyboard switch" almost certainly is Kailh.
All Razer is doing here is saying that these new switches are specifically designed for gaming. But that's like saying a toilet is specifically designed for ****ting. It doesn't make it a better product...
And I think it is even a straight up lie, too. The Kailh switches were designed as a copy of the Cherry switches. The thing that Razer changed here are the color of the switches and their name on it. I'm tempted to buy some Kailh Blues and compare them to the Razer Greens to prove this...As for switches... I think they won't be worth Razer's price.
For comparison, a Newmen GM-10 with Kailh Blues (a TKL board) cost around ¥220.00 on Taobao (some evene only 170), that is about $36. Now the Razer BlackWidow TE (a TKL as well) on the other hand costs about $80.
And how much do you want to bet that these new Razer switches will be sold at US$ 80 or even higher due to marketing BS?
Razer is so full of **** they'll be using it to lube their switches.
Thats why they feel scratchy. They must have been on a 2 month diet of corn on the cob and pop corn
Show Image(http://www.kailh.com/images/Business%20Partners.jpg)
Do keep in mind that Kailh also make mouse switches, which may account for some of their partnership relations...
But, in this case, I think the "Razer keyboard switch" almost certainly is Kailh.
Yup. That Logitech and CM Storm logo made me wonder for a second.
Yup. That Logitech and CM Storm logo made me wonder for a second.
Logitech and Cooler Master use them on their mice.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=25632
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=25632
How did I not see this thread before??? That's hilarious!
Too bad its closed :(
Damn...
Back to bashing Razer:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)
Damn...
Back to bashing Razer:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)
Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.
After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...
Damn...
Back to bashing Razer:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)
Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.
After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...
But it would be low grade fertilizer that ****s the ph balance of your lawn and kills it.
Hmm... has razer ever had a representative on GH? :p
Damn...
Back to bashing Razer:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)
Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.
After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...
Hmm... has razer ever had a representative on GH? :p
lol no, don't think we ever will either...
Damn...
Back to bashing Razer:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YL4Dzfb.png)
Razer would make much more money if they sold fertilizer instead of input devices.
After all, bull**** makes the grass grow...
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After 2 hits, he will think twice before winning a game.
After 2 hits, he will not think anything anymore.
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
I'm in. What's the prize?
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...
I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.
-Runs back to GH- :-*
I'm 5k mmr and platinum on dt35... it really doesn't matter. arcade stick is a little silly but really mechanical keyboards don't give an advantage it's pure marketing. we love mechanical keyboards for various reasons, helping you game better is ridiculous
and essentially it's qwerdf + 6 items, league players don't even a move lol. and who the hell smart casts?
Hey guys... sc2 has an arcade stick ;)Show Image(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/16-Starcraft-Arcade-Stick.jpg)
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...
I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.
-Runs back to GH- :-*
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...
I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.
-Runs back to GH- :-*
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...
I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.
-Runs back to GH- :-*
I've known for at least 6 months that Razer and Kailh were working together, but I still wasn't ready for all the bull**** that people are saying just about everywhere.
I hope my Brazilian Portuguese Mechanical Keyboard thread won't get infected with retarded noobs "spreading the word about Razer switches".
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
I'm in. What's the prize?
Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?
That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
I'm in. What's the prize?
Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?
That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
I don't think the hate for Razer comes from their products, but more from their marketing bull****.
In this case, the technical change is going from Cherry to Khail, probably only to save money on production cost. Yet, they manage to use their marketing blabla to convince people that they worked their ass trying to create a new switch that has been optimized for gaming.
Yet, if they indeed developed a new switch and are just use Khail as a manufacturer, then maybe they are right (to some extent) to brag all this. But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.
But well, marketing has to do their job, they are paid for it, and as long as they sell it's good for them, but for us, we see it as marketing bull**** so it plays on our nerves!
I need to stay away from some other PC forums' news section regarding razer's "newest" keyswitches...
I'm losing braincells reading all their comments over there.
-Runs back to GH- :-*
Which ones should I stay away from? ;)
is it a cherry switch or a razer switch?
Um reds are for gamers and so are browns
Probably designed by razor and made my cherry
It's a slightly different Cherry switch.
so.... its a brown with a higher activation point
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?
That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.
How come 5 pages and nobody mentioned hysteresis? These new clicky Razer gaming switches will have all of the problems of MX blues for gaming, because the reset point is higher than the actuation point on the keystroke. So there is a lag in reset. Which means less efficient gaming, or something. [I dunno, I never really understood the hysteria surrounding hysteresis, but if it applies to MX blues, then it applies to these new Razer greens, be they Khails or whatever, or just some entirely new Cherry rip-off.] Anyway, just wanted to mention hysteresis to sound smart.
I'd still like to buy some of these switches to test out.
Maybe there will be a GB for the switches.
I'd still like to buy some of these switches to test out.
Maybe there will be a GB for the switches.
I doubt razer is going to sell the switches, your best bet will be getting a nonfunctional/damaged board off ebay.
I have to give Razer credit...I haven't seen a thread blow up like this on GeekHack for a while!
I have to give Razer credit...I haven't seen a thread blow up like this on GeekHack for a while!
Wow! 0,3mm higher actuation! That is INCREDIBLE! I will totally own those nerds with my new Razer switches.
I bet Cherry is not very happy about this.
Gentlemen, the ****storm will be even bigger when they announce their "First mechanical gaming switches with RGB backlighting".
Yeah, like Matias Quiet/Clicky and Cherry MX RGB don't count :thumb:
Does anyone really think razer did anything other than change the stem colors on the Khail switches?
Does anyone really think razer did anything other than change the stem colors on the Khail switches?
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
They changed the molds slightly so it has the razer logo printed on the switches in a way so that it's facing the correct way with LEDs on the top...
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
Cherry lost a big customer and even though the switches can't really compete, people will be buying this stuff because of marketing. They don't make any losses, it's more about potential money that they don't get.
The Razer Greens are just as much "gaming" optimized as the MX Blues: not at all. I don't see why people think 0,3mm matter.They changed the molds slightly so it has the razer logo printed on the switches in a way so that it's facing the correct way with LEDs on the top...
Kailh switches already have the LED on top.
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
Cherry lost a big customer and even though the switches can't really compete, people will be buying this stuff because of marketing. They don't make any losses, it's more about potential money that they don't get.
The Razer Greens are just as much "gaming" optimized as the MX Blues: not at all. I don't see why people think 0,3mm matter.They changed the molds slightly so it has the razer logo printed on the switches in a way so that it's facing the correct way with LEDs on the top...
Kailh switches already have the LED on top.
I think Cherry would still manufacture them...
I think Cherry would still manufacture them...
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
Cherry lost a big customer and even though the switches can't really compete, people will be buying this stuff because of marketing. They don't make any losses, it's more about potential money that they don't get.
The Razer Greens are just as much "gaming" optimized as the MX Blues: not at all. I don't see why people think 0,3mm matter.They changed the molds slightly so it has the razer logo printed on the switches in a way so that it's facing the correct way with LEDs on the top...
Kailh switches already have the LED on top.
I think Cherry would still manufacture them...
But, Cherry doesn't manufacture them... at all. They're KAILH switches!Oh... Sorry. Didn't sleep last night.
Can you imagine a more PO'ed customer than Ducky not winning the RGB switches?
I find it hard to believe Corsair moves more boards than them.
Can you imagine a more PO'ed customer than Ducky not winning the RGB switches?Aye, that would be me....
I find it hard to believe Corsair moves more boards than them.
When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
You guys bickering about the LoL player(s) not knowing what they're talking about need to realize that Razer sponsors Counter Logic Gaming with their products. I don't know if their sponsorship goes any deeper than that, like paying wages, but obviously they will say things like that for marketing purposes because they have to. It's part of their job and has nothing to do with the game itself.
and this is why you should take what any sponsored person/team says with a grain of salt.
they are there to make money. they don't care about you. no matter what they say.
I guess RGB was Cherry compensating for the fact that Razer decided to do this...
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
Cherry lost a big customer and even though the switches can't really compete, people will be buying this stuff because of marketing. They don't make any losses, it's more about potential money that they don't get.
The Razer Greens are just as much "gaming" optimized as the MX Blues: not at all. I don't see why people think 0,3mm matter.
I doubt Cherry is shaking in their boots over this one. It may be great for gaming, but with my experience in Razer products, sometimes the overall build quality doesn't match that of some of the components. They definitely sound cool though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Cherry release a switch more geared towards gaming soon. The blacks and reds are considered "gaming" ones but there is no bump or tactile going on!
Cherry lost a big customer and even though the switches can't really compete, people will be buying this stuff because of marketing. They don't make any losses, it's more about potential money that they don't get.
The Razer Greens are just as much "gaming" optimized as the MX Blues: not at all. I don't see why people think 0,3mm matter.
Oh they are definitely going to lose some revenue potential here. I swear, Razer's marketing is probably responsible for 99% of their sales. If it wasn't for that does anything think they'd be a leader in gaming stuff? They better be careful though because once you try to go at everything alone, it it can end up backfiring. Wouldn't it be funny if Razer ended up going the way of 3dfx because they started making all of their own switches!
inb4 Cherry lawsuit
inb4 Cherry lawsuit
2014 becomes so much excited, fist we get RGB switch, CM follows with Topre MX stem compatible, and then there is Razer with their bull**** marketing again...
2014 becomes so much excited, fist we get RGB switch, CM follows with Topre MX stem compatible, and then there is Razer with their bull**** marketing again...
Not to mention Toxic GB!
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
I'm in. What's the prize?
Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?
That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
I don't think the hate for Razer comes from their products, but more from their marketing bull****.
In this case, the technical change is going from Cherry to Khail, probably only to save money on production cost. Yet, they manage to use their marketing blabla to convince people that they worked their ass trying to create a new switch that has been optimized for gaming.
Yet, if they indeed developed a new switch and are just use Khail as a manufacturer, then maybe they are right (to some extent) to brag all this. But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.
But well, marketing has to do their job, they are paid for it, and as long as they sell it's good for them, but for us, we see it as marketing bull**** so it plays on our nerves!
He wont' have time to do 2 hits. Swinging a Model F is like swinging a chair - intimidating, but not that fast. Your opponent has time to evade.
Next keycon: Model F duels.
I'm in. What's the prize?
Presumably, free stabilizers from WCass to replace your broken spacebars.
I'm freaking amused at the Razer hate. The products may not be the best, but if faced with the choice between some total garbage rubber dome that can only last 1 month under normal gaming conditions, and a Razer, what would you guys take?
That said, I think Razer is really asking for trouble with kailh switches. Complaints are going to go through the roof. They'll be forced to lower warranty periods to 3 months.
I don't think the hate for Razer comes from their products, but more from their marketing bull****.
In this case, the technical change is going from Cherry to Khail, probably only to save money on production cost. Yet, they manage to use their marketing blabla to convince people that they worked their ass trying to create a new switch that has been optimized for gaming.
Yet, if they indeed developed a new switch and are just use Khail as a manufacturer, then maybe they are right (to some extent) to brag all this. But really, they can't pretend their new switches will be much better than Cherry switches, not with all the choices you have with Cherry, and not with the ability to use o-rings and different keycaps to change the travel and profile of a keyboard to adapt it to your needs.
But well, marketing has to do their job, they are paid for it, and as long as they sell it's good for them, but for us, we see it as marketing bull**** so it plays on our nerves!
I understand what you mean. When Mandolin produces his specialized bull**** Mandolin crystal I get mad also.
First look of the BW Ultimate 2014...
Nothing new, Kailh Switches confirmed.
And their symbols WTF. They made it even worse than before.Show Image(http://puu.sh/7lWWt/da5616aab1.png)
In case anyone is still doubting that these are Kailh switches, here's a snip from the above video showing that the switch has the Kailh logo on it, just below the word "Razer."Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hrgV7ss.png)
If you want higher actuation point, and are using that as a comparison against cherry - just use alps.
Their white clicky clones weren't too bad in terms of feel; that said, they were also notorious for not being the most reliable. Not sure how they can claim they're better than Cherry in that aspect.
Their white clicky clones weren't too bad in terms of feel; that said, they were also notorious for not being the most reliable. Not sure how they can claim they're better than Cherry in that aspect.
Just wait when everybody's boards break
First look of the BW Ultimate 2014...
Nothing new, Kailh Switches confirmed.
And their symbols WTF. They made it even worse than before.Show Image(http://puu.sh/7lWWt/da5616aab1.png)
I guess this goes to show that Razer is to mechanical keyboards as Bose is to home audio. A huge marketing and advertising budget, targeting the noobs. Just do a little research and you'll find a superior alternative at a lower price point.
Razer is the Microsoft of computer peripherals. They spend more time/money on marketing than QA. That and they build off of what other people have been doing for years.
But it does look like they've come up with something similar to Jailhouse Blues.
this is a terrible metaphor. Microsoft makes some very high quality products especially in the enterprise environment. i know a lot of people on the internet think is is "wicked l33t awesome cool" to bash on MS but I find the only people who do so know little of MS product lineup. They dont like windows 8.1 (cause they are luddites) so they want to bash the entire company. SQL? Visual Studio? Azure? Server 2008 R2? these are all amazing products that have made the lives of server techs and developers much easier.
"oh but linux blah blah". oh please. have fun with your oracle database.
60 million lifecycle? Better than Cherry MX? I call Bull****.Welly
60 million lifecycle? Better than Cherry MX? I call Bull****.Welly
"Up to 60"
Cherry is 50 minimum.
PS, it is not nice calling out reps like that.
Who cares, I'd rather Razer not try to feed us marketing BS and twisting words to make their product sound better than it really is. I don't give a damn about Political Correctness when we know Razer has a history of marketing BS.lasting 2 keystrokes total would be within spec of "up to 60 million." That has nothing to do with political correctness.
Lots of companies seem to be releasing "their own" switches these days...Razer, tT, Noppoo, probably others as well.
Like the OP, I have to wonder how many of these are actually just Kailhs. Higher actuation point, as described in the specs on Razer's site, would be consistent with Kailh. And Kailh has been more than happy, in the past, to let keyboard makers advertise the switches under the keyboard's brand rather than Kailh's.
I understand what you mean. When Mandolin produces his specialized bull**** Mandolin crystal I get mad also.Hmmm... it wasn't about that "special" Molel M with transparent quartz?
Lots of companies seem to be releasing "their own" switches these days...Razer, tT, Noppoo, probably others as well.
Like the OP, I have to wonder how many of these are actually just Kailhs. Higher actuation point, as described in the specs on Razer's site, would be consistent with Kailh. And Kailh has been more than happy, in the past, to let keyboard makers advertise the switches under the keyboard's brand rather than Kailh's.
When reading from Chinese articles, it also said to be Kailh made possibly. I would add keycool to your list .
Lots of companies seem to be releasing "their own" switches these days...Razer, tT, Noppoo, probably others as well.
Like the OP, I have to wonder how many of these are actually just Kailhs. Higher actuation point, as described in the specs on Razer's site, would be consistent with Kailh. And Kailh has been more than happy, in the past, to let keyboard makers advertise the switches under the keyboard's brand rather than Kailh's.
When reading from Chinese articles, it also said to be Kailh made possibly. I would add keycool to your list .
keycool is making there own switches??
No idea if this has been linked here before, but; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1T5BVGCTY-g
No idea if this has been linked here before, but; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1T5BVGCTY-g
No idea if this has been linked here before, but; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1T5BVGCTY-g
Just a few posts above.
When did Linus start fidgeting around that much?
What I take from this video: He says he didn't really feel the difference (which is obvious as 0,3mm don't make one) and confirms that the switches are made by Kailh for a lower price than Cherry. If you look at the Razer shop though, they cost the same as the BWs with MX Blues...
60 million lifecycle? Better than Cherry MX? I call Bull****.Welly
"Up to 60"
Cherry is 50 minimum.
PS, it is not nice calling out reps like that.
Another video from NCIX:I just read the first comment on YT: ''The best keyboard in the world is Razer Deathstalker Ultimate, but the price is around 225£". Closed the video immediately.
I kinda want to buy some orange ones to switch into my QFR to try. Will they sell the parts individually?
What makes me a little nervous about this whole thing is thinking this could be the beginning of a repeat of the sequence of events that nearly killed off mechanical keyboards in the 1990s. Round after round of squeezing every penny of profit, going for cheaper and cheaper materials until the only keyboards you can find are crap rubber domes, the best of which are barely good enough to last through 18 months of light use.
I hope consumers will be smart enough to realize that we are in a real keyboard renaissance. It wasn't that long ago when Logitec was getting over a hundred bucks for junker rubber dome "gamer" keyboards. I hope we never get back to those days, but it sure sounds like Razer is starting down a slippery slope here.
What makes me a little nervous about this whole thing is thinking this could be the beginning of a repeat of the sequence of events that nearly killed off mechanical keyboards in the 1990s. Round after round of squeezing every penny of profit, going for cheaper and cheaper materials until the only keyboards you can find are crap rubber domes, the best of which are barely good enough to last through 18 months of light use.
I hope consumers will be smart enough to realize that we are in a real keyboard renaissance. It wasn't that long ago when Logitec was getting over a hundred bucks for junker rubber dome "gamer" keyboards. I hope we never get back to those days, but it sure sounds like Razer is starting down a slippery slope here.
The thing is that, those who already own Razer products think they're the best things ever to hit the market and refuse to believe that a company that is named after an animal that goes quack is complete ****. People are stubborn to believe that Razer sucks.What makes me a little nervous about this whole thing is thinking this could be the beginning of a repeat of the sequence of events that nearly killed off mechanical keyboards in the 1990s. Round after round of squeezing every penny of profit, going for cheaper and cheaper materials until the only keyboards you can find are crap rubber domes, the best of which are barely good enough to last through 18 months of light use.
I hope consumers will be smart enough to realize that we are in a real keyboard renaissance. It wasn't that long ago when Logitec was getting over a hundred bucks for junker rubber dome "gamer" keyboards. I hope we never get back to those days, but it sure sounds like Razer is starting down a slippery slope here.
That's why it requires us, the informed people, to educate those who would spend money on bad quality keyboards.
When did this turn into a gaming superiority war? I thought this thread was about Razer...
No one is talking about gaming superiority everyone taking what I say the wrong way or some **** like wtf all im saying is that razer is bull**** and that league player doesn't know wtf he's talking about now suddenly everyone thinks I'm bashing dota and league of lesbians
He's a paid shill, just like anybody who uses a Razer product for promo's, but in private or in public uses somebody elses product.
Plenty of professional gamers wear razer headsets, but if you look carefully, have Ear buds underneath to hide the fact that they aren't using Razer's promo headset.
They only have to look the part, they don't actually have to use it to get their $$$
First look of the BW Ultimate 2014...
Nothing new, Kailh Switches confirmed.
And their symbols WTF. They made it even worse than before.Show Image(http://puu.sh/7lWWt/da5616aab1.png)
Lol, the Razer marketing guys claim to have 60,000,000 Keypress durability. That's what they're marketing.
I don't blame Linus, he's presenting a preview, this isn't a review.
As far as the factual information, he did mention that they are from Kailh, from China.
So if you are like most western folks the "Made in China" = Garbage quality is generally a safe assumption.
The amount of corruption, laziness, and lack of craftsmanship in Mainland Chinese products comes from their greedy selfish view on consumerism.
Mainland Chinese production generally doesn't understand the concept of a happy consumer = return customers and spread news on good products.
Their philosophy is once they get your money, the rest doesn't matter.
There is a reason why German engineering and design is some of the best in the world.
Given Razer's design to be good enough until the warranty expires design philosophy, the number of complaints from their previous BW KB's, and the mainland Chinese manufacturing reputation, the only people who would buy Razer are fanboys or people who don't know any better and buy what's popular or shiny.
I wish there would be a team of high end companies who do guerilla anti-BS / Anti-Razer marketing to counter all their BS.
What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
My father is a proud owner of a very old BMW that is sill going strong...What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
Many owners / ex-owners of German cars would like to disagree with you.
What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
Many owners / ex-owners of German cars would like to disagree with you.
My father is a proud owner of a very old BMW that is sill going strong...
What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
Many owners / ex-owners of German cars would like to disagree with you.
And they're still much better than most American engineered cars and Chinese engineered cars. If you want a good quality car, you're usually looking at German or Japanese.
Chinese made products are generally lower quality than German made products, nothing racist about making that statement (and I love how kamc Godwinned this discussion). And we've seen how low quality Kailh switches are from people in other countries where they're more common.My father is a proud owner of a very old BMW that is sill going strong...
And the car of choice in many third world countries are old Mercedes and Toyotas that have lasted them forever.
What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
Many owners / ex-owners of German cars would like to disagree with you.
And they're still much better than most American engineered cars and Chinese engineered cars. If you want a good quality car, you're usually looking at German or Japanese.
Chinese made products are generally lower quality than German made products, nothing racist about making that statement (and I love how kamc Godwinned this discussion). And we've seen how low quality Kailh switches are from people in other countries where they're more common.My father is a proud owner of a very old BMW that is sill going strong...
And the car of choice in many third world countries are old Mercedes and Toyotas that have lasted them forever.
I was only replying to the guy that stated that was racist or Aryan or some **** that people recognize it as arguably one of the best in the world...
What does that have to do anything with engineering? German engineering is the best in the world and that is a fact whether you see it as racism or not.
There are multiple Chinese people on the forum who have said that same thing about Chinese companies though. Tinlong had a post about it not too long ago. And no one is saying that Germans are the only people who care about their customers. The statement was that, in general, Chinese companies and Western companies have different ways of doing business and that has the end result of German stuff typically being higher quality because they have a longer term business outlook.
This is getting off topic though. We're here to laugh at all of Razer's marketing mumbo jumbo and speculate about which Kailh switch they cast in a different color.
In the grand scheme of things, Logitech and Razer are too big to really care about what goes on in li'l ol' GeekHack. We'd have to seriously make a dent in their bottom lines (or be a credible "threat") for them to take notice (most feasibly by swaying others away from their products).While that is true Corsair is arguably as big as them too and they have a rep here...
There are multiple Chinese people on the forum who have said that same thing about Chinese companies though. Tinlong had a post about it not too long ago. And no one is saying that Germans are the only people who care about their customers. The statement was that, in general, Chinese companies and Western companies have different ways of doing business and that has the end result of German stuff typically being higher quality because they have a longer term business outlook.
This is getting off topic though. We're here to laugh at all of Razer's marketing mumbo jumbo and speculate about which Kailh switch they cast in a different color.
I get fine products from China that work very well. Namely, every single piece of my custom desktop here as well as my monitor, mouse, and BWU aside from the switches. I wasn't attacking you, I was referring to the guy that said Chinese people are greedy and don't have a long term business outlook.
I will say it again, it has not been my experience that German products are of a higher quality than products from anywhere else. All industrialized countries are capable of making and have made good products that last a long time and serve their intended purpose. It's time to stop this "made in china"=low quality by default crap. When was the last time an industrialized nation made something to such high tolerances and precision as the iPhone with the unparalleled level of consistency that they have? They only thing I can think of, is in fact, Toyota.
We, as consumers, have to ascertain the level of quality through which a product is manufactured by personal experience and through research. Not by the sticker on it that says "that's the power of German engineering"or "made in China".
Cherry switches are fine, yes... But I'll begin to worship their engineers only when they'll make individual Buckling Spring capacitive switches. In other words - never. Still, their switches are pretty good.
Razer seems to be cutting costs by designing their own switch with apparently less actuation distances for faster double tapping.
So are the stems on the Razer switches actually different? What does this have to do with Cherry's patent running out?
Linus's preview said the clicky ones pretty much feel like blues. Will the tactile ones pretty much feel like browns or clears?
When was the last time an industrialized nation made something to such high tolerances and precision as the iPhone with the unparalleled level of consistency that they have?
The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
I kinda want to buy some orange ones to switch into my QFR to try. Will they sell the parts individually?
I really doubt it. As has already been said you're best bet will probably be getting used/defective boards on ebay.
The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
https://www.facebook.com/minliangtan/posts/662065430517909?stream_ref=10
link in case anyone cares :D
The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
https://www.facebook.com/minliangtan/posts/662065430517909?stream_ref=10
link in case anyone cares :D
I think I'll have to admit with him, people usually don't like change and eventually they'll get used to it. Technology is changing all the time and we just have to adapt to it.
However claiming a copy of existing design as their own new design is a different story...
There are multiple Chinese people on the forum who have said that same thing about Chinese companies though. Tinlong had a post about it not too long ago. And no one is saying that Germans are the only people who care about their customers. The statement was that, in general, Chinese companies and Western companies have different ways of doing business and that has the end result of German stuff typically being higher quality because they have a longer term business outlook.
This is getting off topic though. We're here to laugh at all of Razer's marketing mumbo jumbo and speculate about which Kailh switch they cast in a different color.
I get fine products from China that work very well. Namely, every single piece of my custom desktop here as well as my monitor, mouse, and BWU aside from the switches. I wasn't attacking you, I was referring to the guy that said Chinese people are greedy and don't have a long term business outlook.
I will say it again, it has not been my experience that German products are of a higher quality than products from anywhere else. All industrialized countries are capable of making and have made good products that last a long time and serve their intended purpose. It's time to stop this "made in china"=low quality by default crap. When was the last time an industrialized nation made something to such high tolerances and precision as the iPhone with the unparalleled level of consistency that they have? They only thing I can think of, is in fact, Toyota.
We, as consumers, have to ascertain the level of quality through which a product is manufactured by personal experience and through research. Not by the sticker on it that says "that's the power of German engineering"or "made in China".
I know Razer gets a lot of hate around here. Someone from here should really reach out to Razer and invite them to participate in the forum in order to improve their products. We have had reps from Coolermaster and Corsair here. The feedback helped get Coolermaster to remove the excessive branding on the QFR. Logitech needs to get in here as well. I think they should sell the little screen separately so I can throw it on my desk somewhere.
So are the stems on the Razer switches actually different? What does this have to do with Cherry's patent running out?
Linus's preview said the clicky ones pretty much feel like blues. Will the tactile ones pretty much feel like browns or clears?
this is pretty cool. I wonder if razer will come out with boards that are better quality than their recent black widow line
this is pretty cool. I wonder if razer will come out with boards that are better quality than their recent black widow lineHey, two years ago BlackWidow wasn't so bad. Now it transformed to crap?
this is pretty cool. I wonder if razer will come out with boards that are better quality than their recent black widow lineHey, two years ago BlackWidow wasn't so bad. Now it transformed to crap?
There are multiple Chinese people on the forum who have said that same thing about Chinese companies though. Tinlong had a post about it not too long ago. And no one is saying that Germans are the only people who care about their customers. The statement was that, in general, Chinese companies and Western companies have different ways of doing business and that has the end result of German stuff typically being higher quality because they have a longer term business outlook.
This is getting off topic though. We're here to laugh at all of Razer's marketing mumbo jumbo and speculate about which Kailh switch they cast in a different color.
I get fine products from China that work very well. Namely, every single piece of my custom desktop here as well as my monitor, mouse, and BWU aside from the switches. I wasn't attacking you, I was referring to the guy that said Chinese people are greedy and don't have a long term business outlook.
I will say it again, it has not been my experience that German products are of a higher quality than products from anywhere else. All industrialized countries are capable of making and have made good products that last a long time and serve their intended purpose. It's time to stop this "made in china"=low quality by default crap. When was the last time an industrialized nation made something to such high tolerances and precision as the iPhone with the unparalleled level of consistency that they have? They only thing I can think of, is in fact, Toyota.
We, as consumers, have to ascertain the level of quality through which a product is manufactured by personal experience and through research. Not by the sticker on it that says "that's the power of German engineering"or "made in China".
As a fellow Taiwanese / Chinese person, I'm speaking from a life time of experience in dealing with their products from all aspects of the consumer space. Yes the high quality products that come from China are designed by Western Companies with enforcement on quality in Mainland Chinese facilities from the higher ups in the Western companies.
It has been in my experience and many others that Japanese / German / American / most highly industrialized Western Nations have better engineering standards than mainland China.
If you do a survey of Mainland Chinese companies that design / manufacture and then sell their products to the west, how many people do you think are going to rave / rant about their products?
I'm willing to bet that most are not.
If you're going to call me a racist, then I guess I'm racist against my own ethnicity.
Imagine a Razer rep makes a thread here... the **** storm it would occur :))**** would hit the fan... And all of us would hate them.....
There are multiple Chinese people on the forum who have said that same thing about Chinese companies though. Tinlong had a post about it not too long ago. And no one is saying that Germans are the only people who care about their customers. The statement was that, in general, Chinese companies and Western companies have different ways of doing business and that has the end result of German stuff typically being higher quality because they have a longer term business outlook.
This is getting off topic though. We're here to laugh at all of Razer's marketing mumbo jumbo and speculate about which Kailh switch they cast in a different color.
You can go buy a Xiaomi / Huawei phone and compare it to the iPhone 5S and tell us how it holds up over time.
There's nobody I know that is willing to trust those two companies and their own branded products.
I get fine products from China that work very well. Namely, every single piece of my custom desktop here as well as my monitor, mouse, and BWU aside from the switches. I wasn't attacking you, I was referring to the guy that said Chinese people are greedy and don't have a long term business outlook.
I will say it again, it has not been my experience that German products are of a higher quality than products from anywhere else. All industrialized countries are capable of making and have made good products that last a long time and serve their intended purpose. It's time to stop this "made in china"=low quality by default crap. When was the last time an industrialized nation made something to such high tolerances and precision as the iPhone with the unparalleled level of consistency that they have? They only thing I can think of, is in fact, Toyota.
We, as consumers, have to ascertain the level of quality through which a product is manufactured by personal experience and through research. Not by the sticker on it that says "that's the power of German engineering"or "made in China".
As a fellow Taiwanese / Chinese person, I'm speaking from a life time of experience in dealing with their products from all aspects of the consumer space. Yes the high quality products that come from China are designed by Western Companies with enforcement on quality in Mainland Chinese facilities from the higher ups in the Western companies.
It has been in my experience and many others that Japanese / German / American / most highly industrialized Western Nations have better engineering standards than mainland China.
If you do a survey of Mainland Chinese companies that design / manufacture and then sell their products to the west, how many people do you think are going to rave / rant about their products?
I'm willing to bet that most are not.
If you're going to call me a racist, then I guess I'm racist against my own ethnicity.
Taiwan is different from Chinese. I agree that thing made in Taiwan are a lot better than when it is made in China.
If you're talking about standards of engineering, then I suppose yes, but that's changing pretty fast. Xiaomi and Huawei make great phones, even possibly more popular than the iPhone 5S is.
The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
https://www.facebook.com/minliangtan/posts/662065430517909?stream_ref=10
link in case anyone cares :D
The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
https://www.facebook.com/minliangtan/posts/662065430517909?stream_ref=10
link in case anyone cares :D
That was kind of funny and surprisingly accurate.
"Razer: The Coldplay of mechanical keyboards"
In case anyone is still doubting that these are Kailh switches, here's a snip from the above video showing that the switch has the Kailh logo on it, just below the word "Razer."Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hrgV7ss.png)
i don't even....wait until somebody big whines that its not actually razer designed
In case anyone is still doubting that these are Kailh switches, here's a snip from the above video showing that the switch has the Kailh logo on it, just below the word "Razer."Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hrgV7ss.png)
If Carter saying it's Kailh isn't enough, this should be enough proof for even retarded fanboys to admit it:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ptycq4v.png)
Now, Kailh logo:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/S4J8RTg.png)
And following, Kailh's main business partners:Show Image(http://www.kailh.com/images/Business%20Partners.jpg)
60 million lifecycle? Better than Cherry MX? I call Bull****.
Both the fact that Razer's "new" switches are just rebranded Kailh switches, and the CEO of Razer was so militaristic on fb have made this board a deal-breaker for me...
4mm is total travel distance. And Razer's site is saying it's a 2mm actuation point +/- 0.4mm.
My money is on it being a different color of these two switches:
http://kailh.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008841433231/pdtl/Pushbutton-switch/1055530129/Keyboard-Switch.htm
http://kailh.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008841433231/pdtl/Pushbutton-switch/1080912512/Mechanical-Keyswitch.htm
Meanwhile, I'm trying to convince Matias to sell his switches to other companies as well (and there seems to be people interested on them).
Meanwhile, I'm trying to convince Matias to sell his switches to other companies as well (and there seems to be people interested on them).
They're already on the market if you know where to look.
Calling the higher CPI on the Viper an improvement is also highly debatable. Although 500/1000 CPI compared to 400/800 can have its benefits the sensor (Agilent ADNS-2051) itself had a fairly low max. speed and by using a 3rd party lens (to raise the CPI) the max. speed got lowered even more. That made the mouse unusable for more people.The CEO of Razer posted on his Facebook Page, regarding what I assume to be something about the backlash over the new switch.
https://www.facebook.com/minliangtan/posts/662065430517909?stream_ref=10
link in case anyone cares :D
I think I'll have to admit with him, people usually don't like change and eventually they'll get used to it. Technology is changing all the time and we just have to adapt to it.
However claiming a copy of existing design as their own new design is a different story...
Apparently someone on Reddit managed to get a hold of one of their new boards with the new switches and has been giving feedback on it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2022ga/its_here_unboxing_initial_impressions_testing/
Apparently someone on Reddit managed to get a hold of one of their new boards with the new switches and has been giving feedback on it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2022ga/its_here_unboxing_initial_impressions_testing/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2022ga/its_here_unboxing_initial_impressions_testing/)
Yeah, I saw that. I'm just wondering how they can make assertions like these:
"On initial inspection plastic quality of the switch looks to be better than the horror stories of kailh switches.
Lets be very clear here about the wording. This is not Chinese knock off. It is not a knock off of a MX Cherry switch. It is a Chinese manufactured switch. It is a Razer switch (most likely made by kailh)
I know what a Chinese knock off is . Trust me. I'm Chinese , my father buried me to the neck in bootleg dvds. I know knockoffs.
This isn't one."
Yeah, I saw that. I'm just wondering how they can make assertions like these:
"On initial inspection plastic quality of the switch looks to be better than the horror stories of kailh switches.
Lets be very clear here about the wording. This is not Chinese knock off. It is not a knock off of a MX Cherry switch. It is a Chinese manufactured switch. It is a Razer switch (most likely made by kailh)
I know what a Chinese knock off is . Trust me. I'm Chinese , my father buried me to the neck in bootleg dvds. I know knockoffs.
This isn't one."
"on initial inspection plastic quality looks to be better than switches i have no experience with"
"Let's be clear here: This thing that looks just like a Cherry MX switch, right down to the stem and internals, is not a knock off. It's its own thing."
"I know what a knock-off is. Trust me, I have tons of experience with things that are completely different to chinese switch knockoffs"
It IS /r/mechanicalkeybaords, which might as well be ripster's cult following.
So some guy somehow get's a hold of one and defends it. He can also judge the plastic quality by looking at it. Sounds legit.
He did say it's a review sample and he's a "reviewer", so, yeah...
He did say it's a review sample and he's a "reviewer", so, yeah...
Yeah no he's not getting payed at all to say this no, you can trust him, like totally.
He did say it's a review sample and he's a "reviewer", so, yeah...
Yeah no he's not getting payed at all to say this no, you can trust him, like totally.
Yeah, if Razer sent me a free board I would praise it and give it a 10/10 if it meant more free stuff.
He did say it's a review sample and he's a "reviewer", so, yeah...
Yeah no he's not getting payed at all to say this no, you can trust him, like totally.
Yeah, if Razer sent me a free board I would praise it and give it a 10/10 if it meant more free stuff.
Ya know, if he were a reviewer, he probably would've linked to his own website for some blatant self-promotion and to prove he wasn't lying.
He's lying.
I was wondering why I had never heard the name.... Have the boards even shipped yet though?
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
Well apparently Razer is allowing other companies to use "their" switch. So anyone wants to try to get hold of some ? :D
https://twitter.com/minliangtan/status/441949205800554497
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
That's what I was thinking, people always underestimate the cost of changing even the smallest aspect of a production line. It's not like there is some guy just dropping the stems in by hand.
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
That's what I was thinking, people always underestimate the cost of changing even the smallest aspect of a production line. It's not like there is some guy just dropping the stems in by hand.
I concur, most people can't trust Razer, for good reason.
The last time I saw them develop something original, was the Razer Orbweaver.
At least that was decently made, but it was a original design too
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
That's what I was thinking, people always underestimate the cost of changing even the smallest aspect of a production line. It's not like there is some guy just dropping the stems in by hand.
I concur, most people can't trust Razer, for good reason.
The last time I saw them develop something original, was the Razer Orbweaver.
At least that was decently made, but it was a original design too
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
That's what I was thinking, people always underestimate the cost of changing even the smallest aspect of a production line. It's not like there is some guy just dropping the stems in by hand.
I concur, most people can't trust Razer, for good reason.
The last time I saw them develop something original, was the Razer Orbweaver.
At least that was decently made, but it was a original design too
Orbweaver was a copy and still very cheap quality.
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
Re-tooling cost for this level of production would cost at least multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. Depending on how loose they were to how tight tolerances are wanting to be kept I could potentially see it costing millions. I install this type of equipment for a living. Plus this would be in addition to lost production time from a multiple month/year project to swap out that much equipment.
My conclusion, it is the same switch with different colored sliders and a different logo on the switch top.
That's what I was thinking, people always underestimate the cost of changing even the smallest aspect of a production line. It's not like there is some guy just dropping the stems in by hand.
Of course, this could just be nonsense as well.
Of course, this could just be nonsense as well.
If you have a switch whose actuation point is 1.6mm +/- 0.5mm, you can claim anything within the 1.4mm to 1.8mm range as the actuation point and know that enough switches will fall into that range that it's not a lie. I almost guarantee that it's just the companies fudging within spec to make it sound unique. It happens all the time.
Yeah I had to have a good laugh when the "reviewer" said he could easily pick the difference in actuation point.
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
It's possible, but honestly I can't see Kailh spending money to tighten up the tolerances on their equipment just for Razer. Can almost guarantee these are straight off the standard production line with a different stem and possibly a different spring.
What I'm missing in the Razor hype is the contact type of the "new" switches. "Gold cross-point" surely would have been worth mentioning, so would have been "gold contact" (what serious marketeer would pass an opportunity to associate their product w/ gold ?) I did not see it on Razer's or Kailh's site...
Isn’t it possible that Razer contracted Kailh to make a different switch for them, with different characteristics than previous Kailh switches, and potentially with tighter tolerances & better Q/A?
I don’t see how anyone can know that the switch is garbage without trying it or taking it apart and looking at the insides.
Yes, sure, it’s a “knock off”, but MX switches are 30 years old now, so making a solid-quality imitation doesn’t necessarily take the best engineering and manufacturing geniuses of the world. I can definitely imagine a switch with some slight changes to the slider which would be an improvement over the existing Cherry MX switches (which I personally don’t like, but whatever).
To me, Razer is just like McDonald’s. They don’t have the best product, any decent restaurant will be able to provide better hamburgers than they do, but they still sell the most since they have a strong marketing and logistics department. You can find them just about anywhere and everyone talks about them, plus no matter how bad their product actually is, their marketing makes it look good.McDonald's ain't that expensive though...
Also, just like Razer, they focus on giving “cool” little extras to children instead of a decent meal/keyboard and that's most likely the main reason why they prefer them.
To me, Razer is just like McDonald’s. They don’t have the best product, any decent restaurant will be able to provide better hamburgers than they do, but they still sell the most since they have a strong marketing and logistics department. You can find them just about anywhere and everyone talks about them, plus no matter how bad their product actually is, their marketing makes it look good.McDonald's ain't that expensive though...
Also, just like Razer, they focus on giving “cool” little extras to children instead of a decent meal/keyboard and that's most likely the main reason why they prefer them.
To me, Razer is just like McDonald’s. They don’t have the best product, any decent restaurant will be able to provide better hamburgers than they do, but they still sell the most since they have a strong marketing and logistics department. You can find them just about anywhere and everyone talks about them, plus no matter how bad their product actually is, their marketing makes it look good.
Also, just like Razer, they focus on giving “cool” little extras to children instead of a decent meal/keyboard and that's most likely the main reason why they prefer them.
To me, Razer is just like McDonald’s. They don’t have the best product, any decent restaurant will be able to provide better hamburgers than they do, but they still sell the most since they have a strong marketing and logistics department.McDonalds provides great value from a simple calorie/$ perspective. If you’re poor, and don’t easily the time or means to buy proper groceries and cook your own meals, then there aren’t really any substantially cheaper options than McDonalds. Futhermore, as you point out, McDonalds is ubiquitous; their big advantage is logistics, just keeping such a big operation running smoothly; in competition with other fast food restaurants, they’ve squeezed all the slack out of food production.
To me, Razer is just like McDonald’s. They don’t have the best product, any decent restaurant will be able to provide better hamburgers than they do, but they still sell the most since they have a strong marketing and logistics department.McDonalds provides great value from a simple calorie/$ perspective. If you’re poor, and don’t easily the time or means to buy proper groceries and cook your own meals, then there aren’t really any substantially cheaper options than McDonalds. Futhermore, as you point out, McDonalds is ubiquitous; their big advantage is logistics, just keeping such a big operation running smoothly; in competition with other fast food restaurants, they’ve squeezed all the slack out of food production.
Of course, the food isn’t very tasty, or very healthy. But what do you expect for the price?
Anyway, I don’t think there’s a super strong analog to McDonalds in the keyboard world, as the biggest cheap rubber dome vendors (most similar from a product perspective) don’t have nearly the same kind of marketing muscle or brand recognition that McDonalds has.
There are always better options price wise than McDonalds.This is getting further off topic, but..
I actually really want McDonalds now....
Yeah, McDonald, their hamburger is 3 times more expensive compared to our street foods :))
There are always better options price wise than McDonalds.This is getting further off topic, but..
What option is (1) ubiquitous, (2) already prepared/nearly instant, (3) substantially cheaper than McDonalds?
I think McDonalds food is pretty gross, and personally I mostly cook food at home. But for someone who is e.g. a single parent working 2 jobs and living month-to-month, I can definitely understand the attraction. McDonalds food (and similar fast food like pizza, burritos, &c.; and also instant [like microwaveable] packaged processed food, say instant noodles, packaged mac&cheese, hot pockets, etc.) is cheap and calorie-dense. It’s not great nutrition, but it’ll keep your family nominally alive.
Lots of people have poor access to fresh ingredients, inadequate kitchens, little extra time for grocery shopping, and little extra energy at the end of difficult stressful jobs for cooking.
Razer is only good in one department and that is marketing. Pity the fool who falls for it.
Razer is only good in one department and that is marketing. Pity the fool who falls for it.
Unfortunately, that's the department Deck is totally incompetent in.
We need Deck to have tons of fanboys to send in 1,000,000 complaints about their stupid font. Then Deck will figure that it is worth the money to make a nicer font for their PBT keycaps.
Razer is only good in one department and that is marketing. Pity the fool who falls for it.
Unfortunately, that's the department Deck is totally incompetent in.
We need Deck to have tons of fanboys to send in 1,000,000 complaints about their stupid font. Then Deck will figure that it is worth the money to make a nicer font for their PBT keycaps.
That font is seriously holding them back. They've had this awesome competitive advantage with backlit PBT caps for a while, but no one wants them because they look ridiculous..
I agree. It's really a shame, too since they seem to have great quality boards. I would never get one though because of that awful font, unless I already had a replacement set of caps ready. I wonder why they're so attached to it.
I agree. It's really a shame, too since they seem to have great quality boards. I would never get one though because of that awful font, unless I already had a replacement set of caps ready. I wonder why they're so attached to it.
It's "branding" and "brand recognition".
It's "branding" and "brand recognition".
It's widely recognized as crayon scribble and they seriously lost a lot of sales because of that.
I haven't met one person so far that prefer the current font over regular font. Like literally, no one.
Like if they used the Helvetica font they have on their Asian edition I would've bought one already. Too bad it's ABS then there's no point to get a Deck anymore.
Pabbos is also a professional Taobao agent in China.I kinda want to buy some orange ones to switch into my QFR to try. Will they sell the parts individually?
I really doubt it. As has already been said you're best bet will probably be getting used/defective boards on ebay.
Actually the best place for cheapo used Razer boards and PCBs is Taobao. I think they were going for 40RMB (USD8). That's one full PCB of blue switches. Presumably, when the kailh orange switches start failing, you should also be able to get a full PCB worth at 40RMB.
Suggest you pick up a board when buying something else. That way shipping is combined at your proxy shipper. It's much more worth it that way. I personally had a bad experience combining shipping with Taobaofocus, but many geekhackers are raving about these guys.
It's "branding" and "brand recognition".
It's widely recognized as crayon scribble and they seriously lost a lot of sales because of that.
I haven't met one person so far that prefer the current font over regular font. Like literally, no one.
Like if they used the Helvetica font they have on their Asian edition I would've bought one already. Too bad it's ABS then there's no point to get a Deck anymore.
I'm not disagreeing with you in the least. I'm just telling you what I'm sure their marketing department is saying. I seem to remember a rep of theirs saying something similar in here when people were pleading with them to change the god awful font.
I got to try a BW 2014 with these switches at a trade show today, briefly, but I knew what to feel for. From my very subjective test, I think that it indeed does have shorter travel before actuation than MX blue and less hysteresis, at the expense of more resistance on the rebound right before it tops up. The difference to modern Cherry MX Blue is very subtle, though. I find there to be more difference between modern and vintage Cherry MX blue.
I'd like to see some double blind comparisons by touch typists between these and Cherry switches. That's the only way to know for sure if this is is anything more than marketing speak.I’d like to see (a) some blind comparisons, and (b) some quality third-party measurements.
Even if the switches are different to any degree, it's not like switches are "better" than each other anyways. To say that their switches are better for gamers is obviously bull because that's completely subjective to the person.
If their version really doesn't have hysteresis I consider that to be an objective indicator, and can be used on those grounds alone to claim to be better than MX blues, especially for gaming.They do have hysteresis, there is no doubt about it. It works the same way as Cherry MX Blue, and that means hysteresis.
They do have hysteresis, there is no doubt about it. It works the same way as Cherry MX Blue, and that means hysteresis.
Also, I did feel that it did have hysteresis, but I think that the hysteresis is smaller.
what's hysteresis?It means the reset point is higher than the actuation point. I'm 99% sure about that.
I did a google search and it means that not dependent on it's past. Means that the switches don.. wear out?
Uhhhhh I need these orange switches in my boards... Sexy... :eek:
Oranges feels a tad stiffer than browns imo.
And the link to orange stems I was talking about:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.11.GTHRCF&id=38092238535
It's the same as the pink, just a different color. It's likely the same as the Razer switches too. I should be getting some of the pink ones in sometime in the future and I'll be giving my impressions of them and some other Kaihl/Kaihu switches.
And the link to orange stems I was talking about:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.11.GTHRCF&id=38092238535
So is the TOTAL travel of these switches any less than normal?Cherry patents are already expried, that is why these switches and many others are possible. As for your ideal switch, that is certainly..unique.. I do not think the switches would even function well with that light of a spring inside of it. You can essentially shorten the switches travel with o rings though.
And if it isn't: With the patent on Cherry Switches running out, is there a manufacturer that is currently selling or planning to sell switches like that?
My ideal switch would be either a blue switch with 20g less actuation force or a red switch with 10g less force AND either of them with shortened travel...
Never understood why the travel on any switch is so far... 2/3 to 1/2 the travel sounds about right to me...
I don't keep up with keyboards THAT deep, so if anybody has any info for me on that, it would be MUCH appreciated! Thanks!
So I've tried the demo unit at a local shop. I have to say..... the Razer Green (MX Blue) actually feels better than MX Blue !!!
I know it sounds surprising, I was surprised too when I was testing it. It feels more tactile like ALPS, also with less wobble. Though at the same time it also feel heavier to press than MX Blue.
I guess we need more samples for reliability but so far I think it's actually not too bad (aside from their ridiculous marketing).
Oh and I can't notice the 0.3 mm shorter travel. :P
No consensus on how the new switch actually turned out yet? I guess it needs to stand the test of time.
Problem is I have no incentive in price to take the the chance when the price remains the same.
will wait another year and see how the build quality holds up.