CRT's are better than LCD's.

[ch_123]

You're playing a game with night elves in it, and you're concerned by how 'unrealistic' their armor is?!

Just assume that it's magic. Y'know, that stuff that explains most things away in fantasy stories.

[EverythingIBM]

You're playing a game with night elves in it, and you're concerned by how 'unrealistic' their armor is?!

Just assume that it's magic. Y'know, that stuff that explains most things away in fantasy stories.

...but skimpy clothes seems to be a common malady in fiction or non-fiction.

Or a better explanation than "magic" is to attract more gamers with dressing the characters in less clothes.

Besides, I always play as the humans and rush to knights (someone accused me of hacking once, well I hope they enjoyed the replay!).

[Lanx]

larp movie
darkon
http://www.hulu.com/watch/68489/darkon

the reasons that ppl explain why they like larp... sound kinda loser'ish (i'm a clerk in the daytime but i'm a king on the weekends!)
if you enjoy it as your past time, whatever then, imo.

[typo]

back on topic for a moment?

lacie says nothing about their backlighting afaik. in fact the dreamcolor is better imo. it's less money too. i think even these offerings cannot completely eclipse a fw900 or c520.
yes, soon they will be better but not at the moment. i am speaking solely of color rendering. the cheap ips panels are as stated 8 bit. the lacies are 10 or 12. the dreamcolor is 30! it still cannot match the gdm crt's. plus as i stated they must use different shutters, they are probably led backlit and not sidelit. the panel may be different like a cpd crt vs. a gdm crt. the other problem is the specs get better as the displays get larger. 16:10 is stupid for almost anything that has to do with the internet.

when they get me a 20" 4:3 lcd with at least 125% ntsc. i will take it. even if it is expensive. the fact is that is not going to happen. simply because they are not going to make a 20" 4:3 display ever again most likely.
meanwhile i am much happier with crt's. which if need be i could probably have for the rest of my life for free! there are millions of good or repairable crt's to be found. unless they destroy them there will be working crt's in 2050 or beyond. i hope by then lcd's or whatever technology exists will be much better than crt's were. of course they will be 200" and then weigh more than the crt's did!

besides guys, look what you were just discussing and many of you have model m's and f;s to boot. i can't imagine how some of you cannot embrace crt's for all their glory. the grade 1 crt's are/were the model m's of the display world. oh, i see brand new in box fw900's for 2 grand. i'd rather spend it on that than on the dreamcolor at this point but that's just me. anyhow i don't have to, i can get gdm crt's for free or a $40 "thank you" all day long! basements,landfills,closets etc. are full of them. they were so stinking robust most of them are in a+ condition even if theya re sitting in a landfill. they are like roaches, they will be around forever. no, i do not go through dumps but i am good friends with the trash driver. a good friend to have indeed!
now as for the lcd, i do have a few at home and my cats and dogs mostly had them for lunch. they use the crt's as a chair but have yet to cause any damage whatsoever. really my investing in a $6,000 lcd would be an exercise in futility then. crt's for the win!

[bhtooefr]

Just so you know, CRTs pretty much all have a roughly 20 year lifespan - more if they're not used much (but even 30 years is still pushing it,) less if they're used heavily.

[EverythingIBM]

Just so you know, CRTs pretty much all have a roughly 20 year lifespan - more if they're not used much (but even 30 years is still pushing it,) less if they're used heavily.

Can it actually "die" after 30 years, or just get a very horrible picture?

back on topic for a moment?

lacie says nothing about their backlighting afaik. in fact the dreamcolor is better imo. it's less money too. i think even these offerings cannot completely eclipse a fw900 or c520.
yes, soon they will be better but not at the moment. i am speaking solely of color rendering. the cheap ips panels are as stated 8 bit. the lacies are 10 or 12. the dreamcolor is 30! it still cannot match the gdm crt's. plus as i stated they must use different shutters, they are probably led backlit and not sidelit. the panel may be different like a cpd crt vs. a gdm crt. the other problem is the specs get better as the displays get larger. 16:10 is stupid for almost anything that has to do with the internet.

when they get me a 20" 4:3 lcd with at least 125% ntsc. i will take it. even if it is expensive. the fact is that is not going to happen. simply because they are not going to make a 20" 4:3 display ever again most likely.
meanwhile i am much happier with crt's. which if need be i could probably have for the rest of my life for free! there are millions of good or repairable crt's to be found. unless they destroy them there will be working crt's in 2050 or beyond. i hope by then lcd's or whatever technology exists will be much better than crt's were. of course they will be 200" and then weigh more than the crt's did!

besides guys, look what you were just discussing and many of you have model m's and f;s to boot. i can't imagine how some of you cannot embrace crt's for all their glory. the grade 1 crt's are/were the model m's of the display world. oh, i see brand new in box fw900's for 2 grand. i'd rather spend it on that than on the dreamcolor at this point but that's just me. anyhow i don't have to, i can get gdm crt's for free or a $40 "thank you" all day long! basements,landfills,closets etc. are full of them. they were so stinking robust most of them are in a+ condition even if theya re sitting in a landfill. they are like roaches, they will be around forever. no, i do not go through dumps but i am good friends with the trash driver. a good friend to have indeed!
now as for the lcd, i do have a few at home and my cats and dogs mostly had them for lunch. they use the crt's as a chair but have yet to cause any damage whatsoever. really my investing in a $6,000 lcd would be an exercise in futility then. crt's for the win!

Sadly, 4:3 will indeed be ignored. Which is stupid, widescreen is just annoying for regular tasks at a computer -- for a TV or medical equipment, OK sure. It's interesting no one complains about the space widescreen takes up horizontally, I find having a monitor poking out so much from the sides to be highly inconvenient (and this is in comparison to a regular 4:3 LCD).

There probably will be CRTs for a long time, but many of them are being recycled quicker than you can say "widescreen sucks". Plus the ones at the landfills being harangued by environmentals are surely not suitable for actual working monitors anymore.

I indeed wish I knew someone who worked at recycling or the dump, probably lots of good stuff...

My cat used to sit/sleep on top of my CRT as well, probably because it's warm. Kitty luv radiation.

Although in terms of health, LCDs probably win because they don't act as X-Rays lol.

[bhtooefr]

In the case of Trinitrons, they've got issues with their brightness limiter circuits that give them a 10 year or so lifespan before that dies suddenly and completely.

Or you get a terrible picture from the guns degrading.

Or the phosphor degrading.

Or the circuitry controlling things degrading.

(The last three bits apply to any CRT.)

AppleColor RGBs are dying en masse because of tubes wearing out - the electronics killed a bunch in the first few years, and then the tubes are killing them now.

[microsoft windows]

In the case of Trinitrons, they've got issues with their brightness limiter circuits that give them a 10 year or so lifespan before that dies suddenly and completely.

Or you get a terrible picture from the guns degrading.

Or the phosphor degrading.

Or the circuitry controlling things degrading.

(The last three bits apply to any CRT.)

AppleColor RGBs are dying en masse because of tubes wearing out - the electronics killed a bunch in the first few years, and then the tubes are killing them now.

I wouldn't say that Trinitrons last only ten years. I've got a Trinitron (It's a Gateway2000-branded one) from 1996 that still gets great picture and contrast. Now, my old monitor from 1993, that's another story. It's got miserable contrast. It's still good enough to use, but it's probably got worn out or degraded so the contrast isn't as good anymore.

[EverythingIBM]

I'd turn that working one off and save it.

In 50 years you can be on Antiques Roadshow.

How much do you think my 5150 and two 5160s will fetch at the antique roadshow in 50 years?

[EverythingIBM]

"Sir, this Lion is worthless.  But your HHKB is a NATIONAL TREASURE!"

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"Sir, this is the most ADVANCED COMPUTER I'VE EVER SEEN! This is worth at LEAST a million dollars!"

[ch_123]

Or the strange "black glow" that eminates from it.

[instantkamera]

I'd say worst 'shop I've ever seen, but knowing EIBM, this is not PS. What do you call a bad MS Paint composition? MS Taint? Normal?

[Lanx]

on the comment that 16:9 or 10 wastes space or is inconvenient how about windows 7 new snap feature? just hold a program and snap it to the left and snap another one to the right and you have two equidistant programs now?
or how about the surge in the use of ati eyefinitiy, buy three monitors and flip em 90degrees to portrait and you got tons of real estate. (and is ergonomically better scanning from top to bottom instead of horizontal)

[EverythingIBM]

I'm surprised he's not yelling about how his left hand is in extreme pain.

They're actually not that heavy as one would first guess. You could comfortably put your hand under one without feeling any pain.

However, carrying THREE of them down three flights of stairs is. Well first I had to load them onto the elevator from the school basement (which went up to the top floor), then I took them into my teacher's room (left them for a few weeks there), and then carried them downstairs into the jeep.

Although my teacher got a lot of comments from those computers sitting in her classroom, some kids said "wow, those things are older than you". Of course that wasn't true, my teacher was much older than a 5150.

Now to get those iMac G3s and powerbook....

[microsoft windows]

Now to get those iMac G3s and powerbook....

The saying goes, "It takes only one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch."

[EverythingIBM]

The saying goes, "It takes only one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch."

Of course they're crappy, but even you have two iMacs.

Besides, they might be worth something some day.

[typo]

lol, i was thinking worst 'shop as soon as i saw that. i carried a smartups 3 city blocks with batteries just to find out it was beyond repair! that day sucked.

i have to use the blank screensaver and take my chances. this thing takes almost 2 hours to fully warm up and i don't have that long for every time it sleeps. i am guessing that constantly on is pretty much the same lifespan as power saving and more than power down. power saving does not sht off all the electronics, just the flyback board.
power cycling often(as i would) is bad for any electronic components. especially capacitors which are the first thing to fail on a crt monitor. so i may have been wrong about the blank screen saver. which is probably the safest screensaver to use. since it scans the whole tube black. cranking the brightness is the sure way to kill acrt. to that end, any notice the high end ips lcd's don't get very bright?

i have decided very late in the game i prefer diamondtron nf to trinitron fd. towards the end a nf monitor as good as the f400 or c520 was $400 or so brand new. the sony's were 2 grand. the diamondtron nf does not have the g2 issue. it does not feature flybacks that go nuts and short the tube(the infamous pop sound and out of focus). i remember how pissed iw as at sony. 2 grand for that? give me a break. plus the diamondtron i have repaired and am now using has terrific geometry. nothing like a sony. 15 minutes to set up instead of an hour. the top left corner is just a little fuzzy, otherwise the picture makes me drool.

so if this thing only lasts a few years it was worth "free". i gather by then lcd's will be much higher quality and under $500 for the very best 23".
i think i mentioned this already but i think it also sucks that the very best lcd's are all huge 16:9-10. they are so big i can't even consider one. i personally don't want more than 23-24". i found a 4:3 ips that is pretty pro quality 19" and about $400. i might snag that tomorrow while the getting is good.

btw, if i am living up to the name "typo", the das has developed a problem. i know i don't use caps but thats not what i am talking about. keys are randomly not regitering now. i am not worried.metadot are very nice folks. unless someone knows how i can fix it. i am guessing the controller is shot.

[EverythingIBM]

the top left corner is just a little fuzzy, otherwise the picture makes me drool.

I'm starting to wonder just what exactly you're using your CRTs for.... hmm... high quality picture... drooling...

[typo]

haha. not for that. i meant the picture quality is so good it makes me drool. not the actual image being displayed. that is g rated. seriously.

now i have a serious question please. my cats mean a lot to me. they take turns snuggling ontop of crt's for hours. cam this actually impact their health? i know more radiation is out the bac and a cat is very small. i never thought of this. i don't lnow if it is enough to harm them. either short term or long term. would you keep them off of there?
please don't guess at this question hopefully someone actually knows. all i'd have to do is put some double sided tape on it and they would not go there anymore of course. if it is safe for them then so be it. cats do like warm spots.

again, sorry about this darn das pooping out on me.

[Lanx]

haha. not for that. i meant the picture quality is so good it makes me drool. not the actual image being displayed. that is g rated. seriously.

now i have a serious question please. my cats mean a lot to me. they take turns snuggling ontop of crt's for hours. cam this actually impact their health? i know more radiation is out the bac and a cat is very small. i never thought of this. i don't lnow if it is enough to harm them. either short term or long term. would you keep them off of there?
please don't guess at this question hopefully someone actually knows. all i'd have to do is put some double sided tape on it and they would not go there anymore of course. if it is safe for them then so be it. cats do like warm spots.

again, sorry about this darn das pooping out on me.

I don't think this makes a difference if this were true then most of japan's y generation would be even worse off than godzilla. (since they culurally have small rooms, sit on floor and sit a few feet away from the tv)(and no i'm not being culturally biased, this is statistics and further enforced by the many warnings of anime saying that kids should sit further away when watch tv, and lets not forget the pokemon incident where the super flash of a zillion colors up close caused siezures among the kiddies)

[EverythingIBM]

haha. not for that. i meant the picture quality is so good it makes me drool. not the actual image being displayed. that is g rated. seriously.

now i have a serious question please. my cats mean a lot to me. they take turns snuggling ontop of crt's for hours. cam this actually impact their health? i know more radiation is out the bac and a cat is very small. i never thought of this. i don't lnow if it is enough to harm them. either short term or long term. would you keep them off of there?
please don't guess at this question hopefully someone actually knows. all i'd have to do is put some double sided tape on it and they would not go there anymore of course. if it is safe for them then so be it. cats do like warm spots.

again, sorry about this darn das pooping out on me.

My russian blue went on top of my CRT all the time; I don't think it's harmful to them. It's fascinating how the cats automatically like going there. I guess they see:
#1 their beloved owner
#2 a nice high flat surface to sleep
#3 it's warm!

Although... and I'm not sure if your cats do this, once when I was playing a DOS game (kingdom at war), my cat looked down at the CRT screen and started pawing at the orange cursor: I guess cause it was bigger in 320x240.

You're probably getting more radiation than the cats, that's for sure. And if anything, the only thing that will need medical help is the CRT if cat hair and/or overheating affects it. But I don't think that really matters if it's made properly.

[Hak Foo]

And then, by some miracle, the same settings that worked on the P1110 now worked on the GDM-5410. Finally got my 1600x1200 at 95 Hz back!

)

You can also uncheck the 'show modes this monitor doesn't support' box, and just manually find the desired settings.  I used to use 1600x1200 at 85Hz on my 5410.

[typo]

one of them goes nuts while i move the pointer around. this is one one of the big reasons i am not investing in a large expensive ips panel. they will scratch the screen and knock the whole thing on the floor. i am guessing a cat with nails would have no problem scratching the cr@p out of one with the matt finish. since i would not want the glossy glass, i asume that is plastic. so i just add that to the reasons i don't really want one. well, thats kind the biggest reason. good to know it won't hurt them. i really doubt it is that much radiation. i could be wrong though. i bet a x-ray tech at the hospital gets much more.

my settings have two choices 43 interlaced obviously works. any other setting is exactly the same and i am guessing it is around 85hz on all of them. i know this because if i do 1600x1200 at 180hz the monitor does not go into protection. it just accepts it. i will try reinstalling the driver.

i was wondering something else. you know how sony had cpd and gdm,bvm with the former being the cheap monitors. it was also easy to tell if an ibm,sun whatever was a gdm. with diamondtron nf is there a pro chassis and how do you tell? i actually find a p910 is better than a f400. man, if they had a pro chassis....

[Lanx]

maxpc monitor reviews usually done by the displaymate ppl, so can be assured it's actually a good review.

[In Stereo!]

Just discarted a 15'' Philips CRT.

[ch_123]

Supposedly Dell is releasing a new 30 model - the U3011. Given that their current one is one of the better 30" monitors, it will be interesting to see what they come up with as its successor.

[NamelessPFG]

New HP 30 inch panel gets a Maximum  PC kickass award.

*ZR30w pic truncated*

Toss that CRT!

Maybe if you give me $1,300 or the monitor itself free of charge. Then I'll consider it.

30" 2560x1600 S-IPS is pretty enticing, but how many of us can afford $1,300 or more for a new display? I sure can't.

[typo]

how much better is a fw900 than a diamondtron nf? i have access to one new in the box for "if you can get it out of here it's yours"! well thats exactly the problem. is it worth the hassle? don't answer this question if you are anti-crt

[NamelessPFG]

I think the main appeal of the FW900/FD Trinitron G1W is that it's widescreen. I've never seen a widescreen Diamondtron NF.

That said, I'm feeling quite envious right about now. I've never found an FW900 locally, much less for just the cost of transportation. My P1110 cost me $6 and my GDM-5410 $10, yet some get their FW900s for free...and if I don't find one locally, the shipping on those things is going to hurt the wallet quite a lot (let alone my back when they arrive)!

[typo]

well i really want it. i am feeling sort of sad because i need help moving it and the few people i would ask are either busy or not up for it. i am thinking it might be worth paying a mover. i just hope i can schedual them before someone else gets wind of this. the funny thing is the place that has it thinks no one would ever want it now lol.

now watch, i'll manage getting it here and my desk will collapse.