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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 13:43:51 »
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 13:46:16 »
Nice but bit ugly light... Hope they come to resonable price like 6Gv2...
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Offline instantkamera

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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 13:52:28 »
possibly very cool. More backlit boards is good judging by the amount of people looking for backlit these days.
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Offline gr1m

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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 13:59:16 »
I can't imagine how much these would cost, since Razer's rubber dome/membrane keyboards are all $100.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 16:31:03 »
Quote from: ripster;212315
Sounds a bit more like ALPS Simplified (Fukkas?) but ya never know.  He jammed them pretty hard.


I was a bit "eh" on if it was blues or not. Too low pitched. I was thinking XMs maybe.
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Offline washuai

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 21:19:34 »
If it will get mechanicals somewhere people can touch them, I'll deal.  Definitely not right to see marketing win out over a quality product, though.
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Offline EverythingIBM

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 23:01:21 »
Quote from: gr1m;212319
I can't imagine how much these would cost, since Razer's rubber dome/membrane keyboards are all $100.


Probably the same price. It's so inflated that it doesn't matter what switches they use.

You have to remember, companies sell things way more than it costs to manufacture.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 23:30:28 »
Thermaltake apparently has one upcoming as well, with more solid info. I'm going to shoot them a request for a review sample after I put up the XArmor review. I tried that a while ago, but got ignored, maybe because it wasn't ready yet, maybe because I didn't have enough reviewer cred. ;)
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Online Bullveyr

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 01:43:45 »
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Quote from: ripster;185750
Mechanical switches are mechanical.

Offline chongyixiong

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 02:17:23 »
Razer's clever.

They put the keys on the top corner because that's where the LEDs are.. and chose not to lit the lower part of the keys.

Amazing.

Anyway, it's good cred for us users who spent so much on mechanical keyboards anyway because more people buying these keyboards leads to higher manufacturing volume which leads to lower keyswitch pricing and cheaper keyboards?
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Offline washuai

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 10:23:34 »
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Razer BlackWidow


Bad link.
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Offline muchadoaboutnothing

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 10:35:38 »
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I was a bit "eh" on if it was blues or not. Too low pitched. I was thinking XMs maybe.


I think it is. The press release makes it sound like MX Blues:

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With its optimized actuation force of 50g and an actuation point halfway down the full travel distance of 4mm, the Razer BlackWidow's keys deliver crisp response with exceptional actuation speed [...]


Razer makes some other amazing claims in the press release:
  • No other mechanical has been designed for gaming
  • Having a keyswitch with tactile feedback, clickiness, and actuation at half of full travel are all "unique"
    • [/list

    Other features (media keys, macro recording, etc.) are nice though.
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Offline washuai

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 10:35:58 »
They bother to go mechanical and still skip the NKRO? "Gaming optimized key matrix for minimized ghosting"  If it was NKRO, there'd be zero ghosting, not minimized ghosting.

50g actuation force, doesn't sound like cherry blacks, either . . Now, I'm curious what kind of switches it has.  Ok, MuchAdo is right, sounds like blues.

That press release definitely counting on people not being experts on mechanicals:
"Coupled with a unique key actuation point halfway through the full travel distance, the optimized mechanical key structure found in each of the Razer BlackWidow's keys provide for greater precision and accuracy versus other traditional mechanical keyboards. "

Oh yea, that convinces me their cherry blues or cherry blue copies are faster and more accurate, mmmhmm. [/sarcasm]

Although, maybe they actually modded cherry blues that allow hover?
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Offline instantkamera

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 10:42:06 »
there are actually two: one backlit, one not?
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/DisplayCategoryProductListPage/categoryID.49136200

n/m I see rip updated his post. Bast.
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Offline audioave10

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 10:45:19 »
I wonder if it would last for more than 1 year. The switches might be fine, but other aspects of their boards don't last very long.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 11:10:39 »
Quote from: washuai;213921
They bother to go mechanical and still skip the NKRO? "Gaming optimized key matrix for minimized ghosting"  If it was NKRO, there'd be zero ghosting, not minimized ghosting.

50g actuation force, doesn't sound like cherry blacks, either . . Now, I'm curious what kind of switches it has.  Ok, MuchAdo is right, sounds like blues.

That press release definitely counting on people not being experts on mechanicals:
"Coupled with a unique key actuation point halfway through the full travel distance, the optimized mechanical key structure found in each of the Razer BlackWidow's keys provide for greater precision and accuracy versus other traditional mechanical keyboards. "

Oh yea, that convinces me their cherry blues or cherry blue copies are faster and more accurate, mmmhmm. [/sarcasm]

Although, maybe they actually modded cherry blues that allow hover?


This sounds more likely.  Cherry has similar, awkward wording on their Raptor Gaming site around blacks.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 11:26:45 »
I'm still skeptical until someone buys one, pulls a key, and breaks down a switch.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 11:31:21 »
Where does it say that it's their own switch?
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 11:54:15 »
How convinient that their mechanical keyboard has pre-dated the mainstream demand for mechanical gaming keyboards, but no one has ever heard of it...
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Offline sealcouch

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 11:59:01 »
Ughhh. There's something about the style of all the razer keyboards. I just don't dig it.
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Offline exousia

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 16:13:39 »
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How convenient that their mechanical keyboard has pre-dated the mainstream demand for mechanical gaming keyboards, but no one has ever heard of it...


Huh? This product is brand new...how is it you can expect people to have heard of it?
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Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 16:24:03 »
Impressive price for the non-lighted one.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #22 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:00:17 »
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Huh? This product is brand new...how is it you can expect people to have heard of it?


The point I was making is that I seriously doubt that it was developed in secret over the space of four years. More like they saw that mech keyboards were becoming popular a few months ago, and requested that a Taiwanese OEM churn out a few with their logo on it =P
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Offline Ekaros

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« Reply #23 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:08:19 »
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The point I was making is that I seriously doubt that it was developed in secret over the space of four years. More like they saw that mech keyboards were becoming popular a few months ago, and requested that a Taiwanese OEM churn out a few with their logo on it =P


So some guy at some point had say: "These IBM type Ms are pretty cool, should we make something like it?" "Nah, too expensive we can get more profit from cheap 1$ oem keyboard which we add some lights and stuff..."

Yep, then they got some desinger add few lights and "cool" funky desing and some other "features" around some OEMs tech and there it is presto...
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Offline aegrotatio

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:10:17 »
I still kind of want, but only if their Cherry Brown model comes out before I buy the Filco.
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Offline washuai

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:35:22 »
Ok, so we're betting on alps copies, over cherry blue copies?  Given that this might be a faux fukka, the price tags are making more sense, though causing additional disappointment.  I guess I just need to wait and see, not that I'll be buying any of them, since they're full size, clicky and I want to know what one of these is like after a year of abuse.  

@ Aegrotatio - where did you see they were making a non-clicky version?  Both the black widows are supposed to be using the same Razer clicky switch, aren't they?
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Offline exousia

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:43:57 »
I think you guys are joke thinking these are cheap OEM ripoffs without even knowing or testing it yet. And the pricepoint? Right on par with those on elitekeyboards...knowing that it's Razer, it's obvious they can buy in bulk and get everything at a much cheaper price. People blow out of proportion how much it really costs to make these things.
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Offline bhtooefr

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:51:01 »
Could also be a custom Cherry. Maybe a brown or clear variant?

Browns are 55g, though, and blues are 60g.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:52:40 »
It's just another generic Cherry keyboard, and a pretty hideous looking one at that.

I'm pretty sure that it's been established elsewhere that iOne is the OEM.

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Could also be a custom Cherry.


Could be. Could also have gold-plated Beam Springs and give you a foot massage when you type. But given that it does the same thing as every other Cherry keyboard on the market, I wouldn't get too excited over it.

It also doesn't use clears - the site says that it uses clicky switches with a force requirement of 50g - Blue Cherries.

Browns are 45g, clears are 55g.
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Offline washuai

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 18 August 2010, 17:53:32 »
Quote from: bhtooefr;214130
Could also be a custom Cherry. Maybe a brown or clear variant?

Browns are 55g, though, and blues are 60g.

Browns are 45g and blues are 50g.

Quote from: ch_123;214132
It's just another generic Cherry keyboard, and a pretty hideous looking one at that.

I'm pretty sure that it's been established elsewhere that iOne is the OEM.
If that's true, then should I ever change my mind about clicky and full sized, I'd still get the Xarmor, first.
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