Fallout: New Vegas

[elservo]

This topic should be subtitled "Or why I think my wife is making up for something."

I took my Ruckus to work today, so I am not able to get all the way over to West Ocean City to pick up my pre-order of Fallout: New Vegas, so my wife will be braving the nerds to pick it up for me.  Since I have to drop off a deposit after I close up the theater at midnight, I won't be pulling in until she is hopefully home already, which means my copy of New Vegas might be waiting for me when I walk in.  



Anyone else getting it?  I'm looking forward to weeks and weeks of hoarding bottle caps and stimpacks, and of course, beheading anyone that has the misfortune or walking in the same vicinity as myself.  

Something about the Bethesda games just makes it so easy to get completely lost in minutiae, collecting silly junk and committing wholesale murder while crawling toward the advertised goal of completion, which is the least of my concern since there are so many things to do in the Fallout universe.  Hopefully I'm not the only one excited about this game.

[Phaedrus2129]

I have Steam, and it's preloaded. Ready to go the minute it's released.

[elservo]

That tops me!  I was gonna try out Steam at some point since it's running on Macs now, but I don't really game much on the PC, so I don't feel like it would get a hell of a lot of use.  Doubt my Macbook could really run it well anyway, but gaming is not the reason why I got my Macbook anyway.  I wish Steam would come to the PS3.  That would make it the best console by a long shot.  

Enjoy New Vegas!  I'll be joining you soon after you get started.

[Phaedrus2129]

You're running on a Mac? Let me know the specs and I'll tell you if it's worth using the PC version (which is way more fun; I played Fallout3 on 360 and PC, PC looks better, controls better, and is more modable).

If you have a Core 2 Duo over 2.4GHz and a graphics card in the 9600GT territory or above then I'd say it's worth playing it on Mac/PC.

[WhiteRice]

I still have to play Fallout 3...

[audioave10]

Both of those games are so much better on the PC because of Mods. They can fix almost anything you don't like. They will make the game look much better too as the textures are low resolution for the Xbox.

[ironman31]

I still have to play Fallout 3...

play it now. It's too good

[elservo]

I just have a regular white Macbook, 2.26 GHz or whatevs.  Not really a gaming rig.  Great for everything else, though.  My copy will be waiting for me when I get home.  I really like playing games in my lucky chair anyway.

[chimera15]

waiting for it on torrents, so far nothing out yet.  I may actually break down and buy a legal copy though seeing as this is probably the only non free game I'll play in a year or two, and built a whole system basically just to play it.  The xbox 360 version has been on torrents for like a week now, but still no pc version.


As of this minute it seems like gamestop online is still in pre-order mode, so not sure if I buy it from there right now if I could have it immediately or if I'd have to wait.  It's sort of a toss up.  I hope by tomorrow when I wake up it'll be out on torrents, if not I'll buy it probably.  It'll be a nice stress relief from finals that I also have to take this week.

[Ekaros]

2 was beter...

[Mercen_505]

I'll get the PC version when the inevitable "Game of the Year" edition comes out with all the stuff that was originally made, yet held back to make more money (you folks call that DLC).

I've enjoyed much of Obsidian's work in the past, so this should be good. Eventually

[RickyJ]

I've got about 150 hours into Fallout 3 and the DLC's on my 360, it's hard not to explore everywhere when there's so much story hiding about.  Lincoln's Repeater headshot decapitations ftw!

I'll wait for reviews of the PC version before deciding which platform I'll play it on.  If I play it on my PC it might be better with my wired 360 controller, just like Just Cause 2 and any other console port.

[Phaedrus2129]

Only non-PC friendly thing I've found so far is some wicked mouse acceleration in the menus, which should have been addressed at the beginning.

[chimera15]

Nothing on torrents yet.  I guess I'll break down and buy it.  Anyone know for sure who has it downloadable right now?

edit: Nevermind, looks like the first have just appeared on torrents when I rechecked.

[chimera15]

People like you raise the cost for everyone else.

lol

Or was that serious?

I'm not the one that cracked it, or put it up.  All I did was pick up money laying in the street.  If they had better anti-theft protections, and had managed to stave off the crackers a few more hours I probably would have bought it.  It's on them to protect their software, if that raises the price, so be it.

[chimera15]

Then they should learn how to program security better.  Or better yet, put it out for free and ad/ feature support it.

There are only a handful of cracking groups out there that are releasing cracked games on the same day as they come out.  If I were those game corporations I'd be putting those guys on the payroll to come up with anti-cracking technology, or at least using them as testers.

[chimera15]

I mug old ladies because of their lax security.

Are you kidding? Old ladies have the best security.

[runeazn]

its jsut a note but fallout new vegas skidrow + crack is already hours released for torrent

me?
I pre-ordered it

[chimera15]

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So  the solution is to hire more security professionals and that doesn't cost more?

Somebody tell iMav's company that.

Of course it costs more, but they might get more people buying it too, which would then lower the price.  That's if you even assume that costs of a piece of software is based on some fictitious profit based projection that has any basis in reality.  That if even the costs/loss from piracy aren't figured into that projection already.

[runeazn]

MW?

meh pre-order here is till 22th

Europe release is midnight 22th

[chimera15]

So at least we agree piracy raises the price for everyone.

Thanks a lot.

Uh, that's not what I said.  It raises the production cost. It doesn't raise the cost of the end product to the consumer necessarily, because there are a lot of factors at play.

[chimera15]

You need to learn some business 101.

No wonder you didn't make it to Japan in 2010.

I'm actually majoring in business/management.

You know why console's exist?  It's precisely because courts ruled that it was the responsibility of the software producers to protect their software, and that the end consumer couldn't be held liable for cracking software, and sharing is perfectly legal.

Consoles offered software producers that added security.  That's one of the major features of them, and why software producers gravitated to them/

[runeazn]

argh stop stop stop

okay the costs will be higher you must agree that.
more costs at production dont wanna pay that bash the customers
shop gets bashed shop increase price since they are greedy :/
end price is higher becuase it mostly a nice number itll increase with 5$
and itll end up if it is 50$ dunnow how much for america itll end up 54.99$

[WhiteRice]

This is why the PC gaming industry is dying

Just because it's legal doesn't make it ethical.

e.g. Slavery in the 1800s.

[chimera15]

This is why the PC gaming industry is dying

Just because it's legal doesn't make it ethical.

e.g. Slavery in the 1800s.

Whether something is legal or not however is one of the tests if something is ethical or not.

[chimera15]

This thread reminds me why the Future of PC Gaming is....

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Or this:

[WhiteRice]

Whether something is legal or not however is one of the tests if something is ethical or not.

LOL What?!

I'm going to come back to this when I get home.

[chimera15]

LOL What?!

I'm going to come back to this when I get home.

Ethical decision making.  One of the things you learn in business 101.  Legality is the first of several tests, like how does it make you feel about yourself, and such.

http://www.compasssolutions.biz/id27.html

[WhiteRice]

Legal and ethical are not equivalent concepts.

And just becuase something is illegal does not mean that it is unethical. Look up civil disobedience.

If you apply any of the basic ethical theories to this scenario it is clear that stealing games is unethical and wrong.

[Mercen_505]

This is why the PC gaming industry is dying

B-B-B-Bull****.

PC gaming is on the outs for two reasons:

1 - Developers are much happier working with fixed platforms where compatibility and performance isn't an issue. Time is money, and quite a bit of both are left on the table after spending so much effort getting your game(s) to run on as many PCs as possible. Ask any game programmer how they feel about Intel's video chipsets, which are in an unfortunately large number of computers.

2 - DRM + DLC + hokey installation bull**** (Rockstar Social Club?) plus knowing your games are all going to be half broken until the first few patches come out (Stalker?) convinced many PC gamers to jump ship, or at least tone it down significantly. Why buy Fallout now when I can wait a year and get the whole game for so much less?

If you need a third one, take note of how many PC games actually sell that are not an FPS, RTS, or MMORPG. The answer would be almost none. You can't develop anything genuinely unique on PC and expect it to sell. If it does it's a total fluke. You'll notice I haven't even touched on the subject of budgets and dwindling ROI for modern titles. Piracy has always been an issue, and it has always been rampant from the days of commies and apples to this very day. The game industry is going through the same upheavals that have stricken many similar industries. Piracy is a tiny part of a much larger problem.

/rant