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« Reply #90 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 05:34:03 »
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How will you be sending invoices?


Via Geekhack PM.

UPDATES:

Since the company can't deliver the springs before the 4th week of 2011, I am extending the order deadline until Sunday, 12/26/2010.

The final price will be $15 per 120 springs. My first quote did not include VAT, I got screwed there and so the final price will be the highest original estimate of $15. Anyway, the springs will already come packaged in plastic bags (in quantities of 100).
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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 07:47:20 »
Too bad they can't deliver before that. But at the same time it's a great chance for more members to get a set of springs here.
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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 15:46:16 »
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IBM, in their infinite wisdom, may have picked heavier springs for a reason.


Hahahahahaha. Good one. Oh, I'm a former IBM-er...

I don't know one way or the other whether a lighter BS spring is possible. Would be neat, certainly.

I know from talking to Chuck at Unicomp that the spring alone is not enough. In a BS board, the springs need to be aligned a certain way on the hammers. If you compare any two hammers, and look at the end of the spring opposite the hammer, you'll see that the springs have exactly the same rotation. (This is not true if you look at the end of the spring adjacent to the hammer.)

I'm not sure what exactly Unicomp is controlling for when they assemble these things. I know that if you try to assemble springs and hammers by hand, you won't get the uniform key feel of a stock Model M.

Chuck also mentioned that Unicomp contracts with another company to align the springs and hammers. That's part of their secret sauce, it's surprising that they contract it out.
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« Reply #93 on: Wed, 22 December 2010, 16:02:02 »
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look at the end of the spring opposite the hammer, you'll see that the springs have exactly the same rotation


interesting! :)

also confirmed for AT model F.
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« Reply #94 on: Fri, 24 December 2010, 13:57:42 »
I'd be up for some HEAVIER buckling springs :D
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« Reply #95 on: Fri, 24 December 2010, 14:01:12 »
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I'd be up for some HEAVIER buckling springs :D


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« Reply #96 on: Fri, 24 December 2010, 15:04:04 »
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I'd be up for some HEAVIER buckling springs :D


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« Reply #97 on: Fri, 24 December 2010, 15:06:29 »
I'd be up for something heavier than buckling springs too.

And something a lighter than my modified MY switches (20g), but that's just me :biggrin:.

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« Reply #98 on: Sat, 25 December 2010, 09:15:28 »
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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 25 December 2010, 10:44:22 »
sign me up for one set
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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 25 December 2010, 11:00:27 »
I'm still really tempted, but want to see how these do for now since there are enough for an order, since I still don't have something for them to go into. I wouldn't even hesitate about something lighter than browns for the first ~2.5mm of key travel, then increasing quickly. Smooth and light up to and past actuation, then snappy before bottoming out. Probably not easily or (reasonably) cheaply possible, though. So I'll wait and see what the next order is, I think. Even just a little lighter would be fun to play with, and it sounded like that at least may have enough interest for another order. A custom key tool sounds great too ^^
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« Reply #101 on: Sun, 02 January 2011, 00:19:47 »
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« Reply #102 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:41:00 »
UPDATE 2011

There might be some delays with the production... and possibly a price increase. My sample springs finally all arrived and we need a slight change in material. Also we have by now exceeded the original planned amount of orders, so I'll have to order another "pack" of at least 2500 additional springs to satisfy the demand.

Would you people still be cool with this if the price per set goes up to something around $17~20 instead of the initial $15?

Else I will have to see what else I can think of or if I can talk them into producing a smaller "pack" to satisfy the new higher demand. I am still discussing material options with the company and so far nothing is final, but it looks as the price might slightly increase.

I apologize for the slightly chaotic outcome on these, but on a totally custom product things like this seem to happen. Sorry!
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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:48:33 »
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Would you people still be cool with this if the price per set goes up to something around $17~20 instead of the initial $15?


Yes, always cool!

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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:54:52 »
The price shouldn't be a problem.  I too am curious what the issues are with the material...
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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 13:58:24 »
The material is loud. It makes a disgusting squeeking sound when depressed. Hell in keyswitches.

Edit: I should clarify that "loud" is relative. Its not really LOUD loud, but its more noticeable so than on regular springs. I want this to be as good as it gets, so I will not accept it in this state.
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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 14:30:39 »
new price is ok
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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 15:11:54 »
My interest stays, and so does my order for 2 sets of springs.
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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 15:29:21 »
errgh.. I completely missed the original order cut-off but I'd still be interested in 2 sets of these, even at the new price.

Let me know if it's too late to get in on this.
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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 16:37:52 »
price increase ok with me.
Did you ask them about making the mod tool?
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 16:45:56 »
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price increase ok with me.
Did you ask them about making the mod tool?


The mod tool will be another company (wire bending), which is luckily just down the road. I'm trying to make a prototype that doesn't look like a 5 year old kid made it, so I can show it to them. The idea is basically something like a fork... but spaced out just enough to open a Cherry switch.
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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 18:37:50 »
In regard to the switch opening tool, I found a hook-tweezer which is of suitable size but they have rather sharp edges so it needs to be filed/emery rubbed smooth to be usable else it will scratch the plastic.
It is a Tick remover, rubbish for removing Ticks as they need to be twisted off, but maybe quite good for opening up Cherry switches. A production model of the "Fork of Death". Just google Lifesystem Tick Remover.


NB: I do not have any Ticks.

Edit: Disregard what I just posted, the metal quality is far too soft, maybe better to purchase the $2.90 (delivered) Surgical Precision Angled Metal Tweezers from DealExtreme.
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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 03 January 2011, 19:06:16 »
Price increase is fine with me! Can't wait to try them out. Also, how much will the opening tool be?
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« Reply #113 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 03:19:35 »
I'm ok to wait (and pay) for the best springs as well. Thanks for all the effort you're going to sixty.
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« Reply #114 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 11:50:36 »
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Price increase is fine with me! Can't wait to try them out. Also, how much will the opening tool be?


Unknown yet, I have yet to visit that company to find out about the tool. The one J888www posted actually looks promising, lol.

For those that got confused earlier: The spring here is based on the blue/brown springs, but its not entirely identical. So its not a clone. Its supposed to be a bit smoother overall. Its hard to explain, but the first prototypes I had felt (and sounded...) great. I don't know what happened with the recent one or why it squeeks.
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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 13:33:08 »
would purchasing the opening tool be a separate group buy completely? I would be interested in that, but not the springs (not sure if this has been answered in the thread)
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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 04 January 2011, 14:03:40 »
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would purchasing the opening tool be a separate group buy completely? I would be interested in that, but not the springs (not sure if this has been answered in the thread)


Yes, the tool will be a separate buy and I will open a thread once there is more information on this.
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« Reply #117 on: Thu, 06 January 2011, 18:51:48 »
[strike]I'm still in for two sets of springs as long as the price does not increase again.[/strike]

EDIT: Actually got to reduce it to one set...I'm selling the other board I was going to use the second set in.
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« Reply #118 on: Thu, 06 January 2011, 23:10:34 »
Is the noise in the new batch of springs something that will be looked at, or is that how it's going to be for the MO parts?  I'm a bit concerned about ending up with a squeaky keyboard...
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« Reply #119 on: Sun, 09 January 2011, 05:49:44 »
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Is the noise in the new batch of springs something that will be looked at, or is that how it's going to be for the MO parts?  I'm a bit concerned about ending up with a squeaky keyboard...


The reason the MO is currently suffering delays is that I am working on resolving the noise issue. I received a sample before the actual production and notice the annoying sound.

So nope, once everything is settled you will not have any extra noise nor squeaky parts :)
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