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Replacement for the Filco Tenkeyless - The Leopold FC200R

Many of you have been surprised when Elitekeyboards announced that they would no longer carry Filco keyboards and instead will stock up on a different line of Cherry MX keyboards in 2011. With a few people peeking at the Elitekeyboards website source-code and quickly noticing a few changes, the cat did not remain in the bag for too long: The Korean brand Leopold will replace Filco keyboards in the Cherry MX lineup.

But what do we know about the Leopold keyboards? Unless you are fluent in Korean - probably not much.

Luckily, Elitekeyboards have been kind enough to hook me up with a sample unit free of charge, so I can give you guys a quick impression and a first advance look at what Leopold keyboards offer and how they compare to our beloved Filcos. The review sample I have received is the FC200R’s Japanese cousin - the Archiss AS-KB87T. Aside the name, the keyboard is identical to the Leopold FC200R that Elitekeyboards will be stocking in 2011.

A bit of history

Leopold is a Korean brand and online shop specialized on input devices. They were one of the first shops to start dealing mechanical keyboard and accessories when the “keyboard craze” started in Asia. Founded in 2005, they already released several products aimed at keyboard enthusiasts such as the first ever Filco double-shot keycaps, exclusively limited Topre Realforce keyboards and more recently WASD gaming keycaps made of rubber!

The FC200R is Leopold’s own mechanical tenkeyless keyboard. The keyboard was actually designed by the very same person who originally designed the Filco. Re-made from scratch in cooperation with the Japanese brand Archiss many of its features are based on customer feedback and ideas such as:

  • Detachable USB cable
  • Better stabilizers for the bigger keys
  • More durable keycaps
  • Only optional branding/logos - no print or logo on the case to keep a sleek look




When taking the keyboard out of its box, current Filco owners will be reminded of their first time unboxing a Filco. In fact the packaging is almost identical. The FC200R comes packaged tigh in a cardboard box, protected by a clear-plastic cover that can also be re-used to protect the keyboard from dust.



Everything else we need and expect is here too. We get the 1,6m (5,25 feet) long cable with a cable tie and a USB to PS/2 adapter to make use of the full N-Key rollover.

Come a little closer...



Weighting 1.1kg (2.42 lbs) the Leopold is slightly heavier than a Filco tenkeyless and just about an inch wider. The case design is simple and sleek. No visible logo, no extra text, no extra LEDs and smooth rounded corners should satisfy most purists.



The back of the case reveals six rubber feet to give the keyboard a tight grip on your desk. Just like the Filco, this keyboard will not move around on your desk.



The standard expandable feet allow you to type at a higher angle while still keeping grip from the two extra rubber feet.



Taking a closer look at the mini-usb plug for the detachable cable, you will notice that it lets you setup the cable exactly to where you need it. The FC200R comes with three “cable channels”, a feature inspired by vintage keyboards to give you freedom about the cable alignment with almost any desk setup.



As previously mentioned, the keyboard has no extra LEDs for the lock states. Instead the LEDs are found directly in the keycaps. I think this is a great feature, but some people tend to disagree because it also makes finding fitting replacement keycaps much harder. On the other hand, if you are not a fan of bright LEDs you can always replace the keycaps with non transparent ones and enjoy a keyboard with no distracting lights.



By default the FC200R ships with ABS keycaps with white laser engraved legends. Similar to the Filco, the simple, italic font should satisfy most people. No fancy Lord of the Rings fonts here; no blurry, upscaled pixelfonts - just a very sharp and readable font.

Quality and construction



The standard keycaps have a slightly rough texture and feel similar to uncoated Filco keycaps. The lasered legends are very sharp and thanks to the laser-infill method also very high in contrast. The downside to this is that you can slightly feel the legends on the keycaps under your fingertips or with your fingernails. This is normal for modern lasered keycaps and should be less noticeable after a few weeks of usage.



Despite the same profile and a similar design, the Leopold keycaps are slightly thicker than Filco keycaps.



Plate mounted switches and a very stable case construction held together by eight plastic clips and three screws deliver a solid typing experience. There is no obvious flexing or bending of the plate or the case. The case construction seems to be on the same quality level as Filco keyboards.



The first look with the plastic shell off instantly reveals that the keyboard was indeed designed from scratch. No Costar controller, entirely different PCB design.



The PCB design is very clever and future proof, as it already comes with full support for possible international variants. Support for L and J shaped Enter as well as a few European and Korean extra keys is already there. Don’t get too excited though! So far no international version has been announced, but maybe the wait will be shorter than with the international Filco variants this time.



The bigger keycaps are being held by Cherry-Corp stabilizers, which provide a much more stable and virtually flex-free solution compared to wire-based stabilizers. The LEDs are of a medium-bright grade and of blue color. I do not know whether LED color varies based on the switch type like with Filco keyboards or if they are all blue.

N-Key rollover, the rip-o-tine and transportation errors?



When using the keyboard over USB we get the maximum supported keypresses of up to six keys+modifiers. Of course, being a full n-key rollover we get real n-key rollover when connecting the board via PS/2.

In the past there have been a few transportation issues with other boards and the rip-o-tine has turned out to be a kinda reliable and quick way to test a keyboard for basic transportation errors. I ran the FC200R through it a dozen times and have not noticed any errors.

Conclusion



The Leopold FC200R is a very solid and well designed keyboard. There is no doubt that it can keep up with the Filco. The few clever differences such as the improved stabilizers or the removable cable might even make it more desirable to some.

Those of you who were afraid that Elitekeyboards would not be selling “elite” keyboards anymore should not worry too much. This is a very worthy replacement and will not disappoint new buyers and maybe even a few Filco fans. The Elitekeyboards newsletter already hinted that these would be priced at a more competitive value which is a definite plus too!

According to the Elitekeyboards newsletter, the keyboard is currently scheduled for January or February 2011.

- sixty out.
« Last Edit: Sun, 02 January 2011, 11:41:25 by sixty »
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:08:26 »
Awesome. I was crossing my fingers for Leopold.
hell, I'll list a few reasons:
1. known for HQ stuff, ie Filco.
2. made in Korea
3. huge base in Asian enthusiast community
4. they have a cool name
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:09:44 »
Nice - thanks for the info Sixty!

I'm curious if the Leopold with browns is quieter than the Filco with browns. The Filco with browns was always too loud to me.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:12:31 »
Yup, thanks for the post.  I wonder if it's going to be less expensive than the Filcos.  Oh well, another one to add to my growing collection. lol

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:22:34 »
Quote from: keyboardlover;258728
Nice - thanks for the info Sixty!

I'm curious if the Leopold with browns is quieter than the Filco with browns. The Filco with browns was always too loud to me.


The thicker caps might give the Leopold a deeper resonance.
But there are also factors like the mounting plate, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:29:10 »
good review and good info, i also hope these are a bit cheaper than the filcos   :P   come january i have 2 keyboards that i want to try out!
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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:41:56 »
This sure looks like a solid keyboard. I might also have to buy one for myself.
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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:43:01 »
Thanks for the review!  I'm curious what accounts for the extra 1" width.

I'm also excited at the possibility of availability of Leopold keycaps for Filco board replacement.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 11:47:33 »
Are the Filco keyboards going to still be made or are they just not getting sold at that vendor?


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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:01:23 »
Now, if only I can get one in white, with no legends... :P

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:06:29 »
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Now, if only I can get one in white, with no legends... :P
In do time...hopefully

Looking forward to give one of these a test run. I like how they give you the Leopold sticker separate from the board. Think I'll put that on my desk. I digs the "no name brand" look.
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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:10:24 »
Damn sixty you the bomb.  Does leopold have any KB's as small as the noppoo choc mini?
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:13:41 »
Now I want those board. Dang, their keycaps looks very nice.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:17:02 »
Oh boy, now instead of Chinese characters, we are plagued with Korean characters...damn...i still can't read them >__>
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:19:00 »
do want. xmas comes in february

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:32:35 »
Nice review.

I'm kind of surprised EK didn't just outright name Leopold (publicly, outside of the source code). People buying mechanical keyboards don't generally impulse buy. Although it could be that EK is just finalizing the arrangements.

What I'm most curious about is the pricing.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:35:42 »
I was worried at first, but no longer! Fits right into my schedule. Definitely buying one with blues around February/March.
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:40:05 »
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People buying mechanical keyboards don't generally impulse buy. Although it could be that EK is just finalizing the arrangements.


I think you haven't been paying attention to the trend on this board. You can take a dump and hide a cherry switch (especially a red) inside, call it a mechcanical kb and all the noobs will want it.

Its surprising how many people buy a new board with the same switch technology inside, same layout and a different brand name and be ecstatic about their purchases!
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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:47:42 »
Ghss?
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:55:50 »
not sure abt the PBT part, some ppl mentioned that they couldn't make clear "keycaps windows" because PBT isn't clear... maybe they found a way a overcome that problem, who knows?
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/archiver/tid-35681.html Leopold> made by Costar, but... no sources
the cable channels are definitely better than Ducky's
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 12:59:36 »
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not sure abt the PBT part, some ppl mentioned that they couldn't make clear "keycaps windows" because PBT isn't clear... maybe they found a way a overcome that problem, who knows?
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/archiver/tid-35681.html Leopold> made my Costar, but... no sources
the cable channels are definitely better than Ducky's


the keycaps aren't one piece so it doesn't matter what the material is. My Ducky 9008 has PBT keys with 'clearer' parts for the LED.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:10:42 »
http://bbs.kbc-china.com/thread-4161-1-1.html post #9, words from people who actually made the keycaps, still... others probably overcame the problem
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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:30:03 »
I think i understand what laden3 is saying now, the clear part that allows the LIGHT to shine through is made from PBT also and it can't come out clear.

I guess Leopold uses a different material for the 'clear' part.
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:32:55 »
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Ya know (I'm in Welly multispam thread mode so no stopping me now), the revelation of MuchAdoAboutNothing plays perfectly into Majestouch's hands.   This allows Sixty to release the review early.  This allows the Ducky Train to get derailed.  This means people buy things for Christmas that their GFs and wives really want instead of keyboards.


you're such a conspiracy theorist, but it does make sense to derail the ducky train to get more sales.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:33:33 »
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Hmmmm....

Where's Moogle?  That Dead Ducky.
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What are those LED's on the function keys for anyways?


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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:33:50 »
Or... PCHome starts stocking Leopold 'boards, GHers freak, start buying them, SOs are terribly disappointed, Brian is pissed.  It could go either way.  It just depends on if the competition is watching or not.


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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:33:57 »
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Who gives a rip what the clear part is made of?

Are the Chinese complaining about shiny LED windows?  Don't they have drugs for OCD over there?  Or some exotic tea shaped like Deer Dung?


Well I usually complain about something when I got nothing better to do. Did I mention my Ducky's ESC key is like 1.5mm off center? Imma so angry about that.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:34:42 »
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What are those LED's on the function keys for anyways?


i suppose they're for letting the inner beauty of the keycaps shine through.
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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:42:39 »
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Ya know (I'm in Welly multispam thread mode so no stopping me now), the revelation of MuchAdoAboutNothing plays perfectly into Majestouch's hands.   This allows Sixty to release the review early.  This allows the Ducky Train to get derailed.  This means people buy things for Christmas that their GFs and wives really want instead of keyboards


My, my, what a great conspiracy theory. I uncover the "secret" and EliteKeyboards saves Christmas for the missus while Geekhackers lust for the new product.

It's such a great conspiracy theory that I propose that Brian send me a Leopold Tenkeyless for evaluation purposes :lol:

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 07 December 2010, 13:51:08 »
I think some will hold out, warranty is something nice to have. Armygroup and PCHome don't have that and if they do..Who is going to ship their keyboard back?
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