Introducing: The CM Storm Trigger

[noodles256]

just wait for the ducky shine.

[skyblue]

Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least

[The Solutor]

I agree. A "mainstream" board with Red MX switches would probably destroy here in the states. It doesn't even have to be that cheap, but the fact that it offers Reds will create it's own marketing allure, due to the fact that Reds are in such high demand and scarce supply.

Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.

[ashort]

In my honest opinion it looks seriously ugly. There was a time a few years ago when I was into all the tacky looking keyboards, but now I prefer plain/clean looks. But hey, the more of these kinds of things that come out the more ignorant people will learn about mechanical keyboards and maybe start looking for actually good keyboards.

My opinion: Anytime you go for the "Terminator" look, but aren't actually using a futuristic metal alloy (or you know, titanium, if that's all you got) to build your product, you come off cheap and ugly.

[daerid]

Most people who buy a gaming keyboard wants just a good board that provides the features they need, and aren't aware about the supposed scarcity/rarity of the mx reds.

They will buy a red board if they like the feeling.

Definitely. However, I still maintain that a Red switch board would do well here in the states, if for no other reason than it's a different switch than most people are used to, and if only to the niche market of mechanical keyboard lovers.

So that "do well" comes with a whole lot of conditionals, LOL

[Trueepower]

I think the red switch would do great here. My favorite switches are the Topre, and Red switch so far. I think that for gaming its nice to have a quiet switch, with just a moderate amount of force. The little amount of tactile feedback on the Topre (which is none to me) couples with the back stroke noise is perfect to me. I love the red switch overall for the bottoming out noise, and the little springy feel it has. Those are both good switches for everyday use.

[The Solutor]

Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

[battlesheep]

mind sending me that sample that your not using? Topre switches are the way to go for me!

i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/

Or send it to me.  I've had many filcos and other mx switch based  keyboards.  In the end it's just a realforce and a hhkbp2 for me atm.  Topre feels better and has just as much tactile feedback for my fingers.  Plus oGsMC uses it, thus I must comply!

really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...

Thanks for this information. But please make this single version of the Trigger with RedMX.
Some Reasons -> BlackMX are in the Mionix Zibal60, BlueMX in the Razer Black Widow and BrownMX in the Zowie Celeritas (but without Backlight). The only MX-Type which cannot be purchased in a "cheap" way is RedMX but this is the type which is the most wanted. BlackMX has a fantastic feeling but for many users (including me) the spring is too strong.
In my opinion the problem is that too many do not like the design of the Trigger. If they want BlackMX they will buy the Zibal60, for BlueMX the Black Widow, MK-80 or U9BL and so on. If the Trigger will be offered just with BlackMX e.g. no one will accept an ugly design if there is another keyboard, which looks great and has the same switch type.

well, red switches cost more than all other versions, dont ask me, ask cherry why...
its a mystery to me since reds are blacks with softer springs which youd think are cheaper right? ah well... *shrug*
totally agree with you, trigger should be red and brown switches, but it looks like thats not what shops want...
several big shops think, the other mech KBs we sell are XYZ, so that shows customers want XYZ and nothing else... *rolleyes*

Though I love simplicity, this doesn't actually look all that bad. Looks better than the blackwidow at least

thank you!
finally somebody who doesnt feel sick after looking at trigger
like i said im not a big fan of the design myself, but yeah, it does look better than the BW... my fav design wise so far is zowie... i only mean the body tho... the keycaps looks SOOOO cheap... and the Zowie logo and NUM CAP SCR look super cheap too...
but the body is great, simple... if only it wouldnt bend though... the plastic is a bit thin/soft...

the worst ive seen was the razer tron KB... has anybody used that one? :0
O M G... not surprised it never really made it into retail heh

Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

insipid? what do you mean?

[False_Dmitry_II]

It means that he hates them and or thinks they are stupid.

As far as the looks of it go, I wouldn't mind using/looking at it.

[TheProfosist]

i asked, but nah, we have to keep it here "for reference" :/
really? have you guys even tried it? theres a lot of hype for some reason, but its really not good at all...
i prefer typing on cherry black than this... and i dont like blacks cause theyre so hard and tiring...

yes i have tried both the Cherry Switches and Topre. I own a SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Blacks) and a Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2. Since i got the HHKB i havnt touched the 7G.

[Trueepower]

Even if I'm a tactile beast, I recognize that red switches are somewhat interesting, surely better than the insipid brown ones.

 
Exactly, if I were to go quiet tactile then I would have to mod my board for ergo clears. Even though I haven't even tried browns yet.... they seem to be disappointing without stronger feedback. Clears are also another switch I haven't tried, but I can imagine they would be too stiff (plus the spring takes away from the tactility). Cherry should make ergo clears as one of their main switches. I am sure people would like them

I have seen more people overall like "lighter" switches. Ergo clears would be well liked for sure. I just like linear switches myself.

[battlesheep]

oh... whats wrong with the brown switches?
they are actually my favorite ones
tho i have a feeling ill like the clear ones more...
maybe clear ones with softer springs from reds... cant wait to get clear samples

maybe there are different versions of realforce switches too? 0_o
the KB i have here with realforce switches is terrible... key depresses feel really sluggish and slow...
to me it feels 90% like a rubber dome keyboard...

typing on it is a little tiring... and it doesnt have a clear actuation feedback... the resistance just continues to grow the further you push it down, but you dont feel a bump or click like on cherry switches
to me realforce switches seem like a great replacement for rubber dome lovers...
but i prefer the faster depress clear actuation feedback of  blue/brown mechanical switches...

[The Solutor]

oh... whats wrong with the brown switches?

They feel just as a linear switch with some lube problems more than tactile switch, I decided to mod to ergo clears my brown board before having it on my hands, and I wasn't wrong.

to me it feels 90% like a rubber dome keyboard...

It's a rubber dome, feels like a rubber dome, like a good rubber dome.

[Zehkul]

like i said im not a big fan of the design myself, but yeah, it does look better than the BW... my fav design wise so far is zowie... i only mean the body tho... the keycaps looks SOOOO cheap...

 
They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.

And yeah I'm not that fond of browns as well, I want tactile feedback, not that strange thingy browns got. I like clears.

[The Solutor]

They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.

On BW they are the same crap used on Filcos, on BWU they are good like the Xarmor/Mionix/Qpad ones, with just the idiotic font variation.

[battlesheep]

They feel just as a linear switch with some lube problems more than tactile switch, I decided to mod to ergo clears my brown board before having it on my hands, and I wasn't wrong.

i prefer them over linear switches personally... but yeah, id love to have a stronger and maybe a little more precise feedback... still havent received clear samples :/

It's a rubber dome, feels like a rubber dome, like a good rubber dome.

yeah, an improved rubber dome... fits better than calling it a mechanic switch variation, true...
 

They don't just look cheap, they ARE cheap.

at least the printing doesnt wear off... but yeah, the weird ink they use turns yellowish brown after a while once it gets in contact with finger acid for some reason... thats the biggest complaint i have about the zowie... besides the LED backlid keys which are way bright and turn on by themselves all the time...
the minimalistic body design is great though, love it...

And yeah I'm not that fond of browns as well, I want tactile feedback, not that strange thingy browns got. I like clears.

well i only tried the 4 main cherry switches and from those, brown felt the best to me... i think ill love clears

hmmm hey, is there a poll on the forums about which switches they like?
im curious which ones are preferred overall...

[alaricljs]

Always use google's site: to search geekhack... vB search sucks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?6626-What-is-your-favorite-switch-%28Anonymous-Poll%29

and then the followup to it:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11952-What-Is-Your-Favorite-Switch-Anonymous-Poll-Round-2.

With ergo-clear being a recent popular choice... might be time for round 3.

[battlesheep]

Always use google's site: to search geekhack... vB search sucks.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?6626-What-is-your-favorite-switch-%28Anonymous-Poll%29

and then the followup to it:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?11952-What-Is-Your-Favorite-Switch-Anonymous-Poll-Round-2.

With ergo-clear being a recent popular choice... might be time for round 3.

yeah, i noticed that the VB search is... not as good as i remembered it to be? 0_o
thx a lot for the links!

Popular choice for the three or four that have completed the mod.
Meanwhile the sample size on that linked poll is 577.  Almost double the previous one.
Actually the OCN Switch poll is pretty interesting.  Somewhat similar results with a less Vintage twist.

these polls surprised me a lot...
brown is more popular than blue!
and black doesnt have a lot of fans at all, which is so ironic cause its the most widely used switch for gaming keyboards, isnt it? hahah

btw, i received the switch samples i requested today! W00t!
some switches ive never seen or heard of before...
green and dark blue and dark grey

[battlesheep]

from strongest to weakest

clicky:
dark green - harder blue, resistance increases after actuation point which results in softer termination when pushing the key down all the way and faster depressing
Blue
dark blue - softer blue? feels about the same, and pushing a blue and dark blue against one another does the same as pushing two blues against each other. it feels notably softer after the actuation point though

bumpy:
White (Clear?) - notably harder than brown, feels more sturdy and less wobbly when being pressed down, clearer actuation force feedback, resistance increases after actuation point which results in softer termination when pushing the key down all the way and faster depressing
Brown
grey - in between brown and clear/white, stronger more pronounced actuation feedback, but wobbly like brown, and a bit sluggish release... almost feels like it gets stuck sometimes... not sure if its this sample (only got one of this color) or if its a result of the stronger actuation feedback without a strong spring like the white/clear switch

linear:
dark grey - even harder blacks (wow, who would want that? :0 for the spacebar on black boards i guess)
Black
Red

[battlesheep]

cant wait to try an ergo clear, cause clear does feel a liiiiittle stiff...

[TheProfosist]

i dont remember the dark green, dark blue, grey and dark grey being mention in any of the wikis here...

[alaricljs]

Where did this sample board come from?

[False_Dmitry_II]

I know the green and the gray are supposed to be spacebar ones (which not all manufacturers use, sometimes they use the same as the rest of the switches on the board) for blue and clear respectively. Both should be harder than the 'regular' ones.

[r4pture]

I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?

[Mr. Perfect]

The Green, Light Gray and Dark Gray switches are all used in spacebars, but what in the world is a dark blue MX?

I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?

Hmm, sounds interesting.

[DaemonRaccoon]

According to Sixty over on Deskthority, they're a non-clicky blue. Link

[battlesheep]

I like the idea of those green switches.  I wonder what a whole keyboard of them would be like, possibly similar to buckling springs?

havent tried buckling spring switches yet... i think they probably produce a more sudden click and actuation feedback...
if you like clicky mechanical switches and dont mind the increased resistance, i def recommend you to try a green switch keyboard... if you can find one or order the switches to mod...
they should not get stuck like the blue ones sometimes do

which buckling spring keyboard should i try?
whats a good one?

Where did this sample board come from?

a good friend

Got any nickels?  Or Yuan (the old one was 6.1g but not sure about the new one)?  RipOmeter.
http://img.techpowerup.org/110801/samples.png

which one do you want me to measure

According to Sixty over on Deskthority, they're a non-clicky blue. Link

mhhh the ones i have are definitely clicky... like i said, until actuation its about the same as blue, but after that its notably softer (weaker spring)
i dont think its a good idea to use this switch since even blue switches get stuck sometimes as the spring is too weak to overcome the actuation bump when depressing sometimes...
so using an even weaker spring with a blue switch is asking for trouble ^^

[battlesheep]

I thought you guys might like this

[r4pture]

which buckling spring keyboard should i try?
whats a good one?

As far as I'm aware most all buckling spring KBs feel very similar (with the exception of offshoots like the Model M2 and Model F), so picking up a Customizer or Spacesaver off Unicomp will do, or picking up an original IBM Model M, but depending on age and how its been taken care of it may change its feel.

[alaricljs]

a good friend

Ok, then would you be able to tell us what switches are available in quantity for a KB manufacturer?  It's hard enough for end users to get certain switches.