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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #210 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 09:58:52 »
Indeed

Other than wearable legends, twisted stems, pingy switches and squeaking spacebsars, filcos are notoriously defect free... :pound:
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« Reply #211 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 10:12:24 »
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All of these are in your head.


And in any search engine.

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I'm starting to believe Noodle's assertion that you are a Xarmor rep in disguise.


Yes most companies are used to have Italian reps for products sold just in the US. :pound:

I think will be hard for you to produce a sentence more stupid than the quoted one, but I'm sure you will manage to find one, sooner or later.
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« Reply #212 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 10:16:48 »
I finally got around to making a video of the leo vs the ninja:

[video=youtube;0dqJrjshcyg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dqJrjshcyg[/video]

The ping/bing/ RING / whatever on the filco should be obvious at the end when I'm pressing single keys.
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Yeah I\'d defo keep it. I got 3 filcos here and all of them ping.  Didnt think anything of it until I read on here. Its 2 gen1\'s and a ninja and they all do it. I just hear it as all part of the filco sound and I quite like it. It must be extremely common as all 3 of mine and my friends does it. So out of the 4 Filcos I\'ve used all of them from different gens and batches all do it. I\'m sure if I get another and it doesnt ping you\'ll see a thread from me saying "WTF my filco doesnt ping!! return?!?"

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« Reply #213 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 10:28:57 »
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I finally got around to making a video of the leo vs the ninja:


Finally a good example of a pinging filco
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Offline fds

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« Reply #214 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 10:31:31 »
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And that's with you typing pretty hard.

Yeah, I was trying to emphasize the ringing sound. As I said before, you don't notice it if you type softer and try not to bottom out.
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Yeah I\'d defo keep it. I got 3 filcos here and all of them ping.  Didnt think anything of it until I read on here. Its 2 gen1\'s and a ninja and they all do it. I just hear it as all part of the filco sound and I quite like it. It must be extremely common as all 3 of mine and my friends does it. So out of the 4 Filcos I\'ve used all of them from different gens and batches all do it. I\'m sure if I get another and it doesnt ping you\'ll see a thread from me saying "WTF my filco doesnt ping!! return?!?"

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« Reply #215 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 10:33:08 »
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Yours is obviously fake.


Obviously.

I'm used to waste my time in audio editing just to fool a 3 years old child from S. Francisco...
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Offline morethanless

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« Reply #216 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 11:21:26 »
The Leopold rings, too.
But not as hard as the Filco.
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Offline redpill

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« Reply #217 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 11:48:04 »
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In fact with thousands of shipping Filcos most people learn to live with it.

Right, because you should have to "learn to live with" a product you just spent $150 on.  Stop shilling so hard before you strain something.
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Offline gl0ry

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« Reply #218 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 11:54:01 »
I get some of those rings on my Das right now too if I press them that hard... Are people really that bothered by it?  I don't know.. I guess I just don't press down on my keyboard that hard to ever hear it while typing.
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« Reply #219 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:04:04 »
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I get some of those rings on my Das right now too if I press them that hard... Are people really that bothered by it?  I don't know.. I guess I just don't press down on my keyboard that hard to ever hear it while typing.

Two separate issues.  Typical spring ping is not what is being described.  What is being described is when the entire metal plate on the Filco rings like a tuning fork.
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Offline gl0ry

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« Reply #220 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:10:18 »
Well, if that's the case.  Does it happen on all of the ninja's?  I was actually going to order one in a few moments.
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Offline fds

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« Reply #221 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:23:15 »
Quote from: morethanless;359972
The Leopold rings, too.
But not as hard as the Filco.


yup, it's just more pronounced on the ninja
 
Quote from: gl0ry;359986
I get some of those rings on my Das right now too if I press them that hard... Are people really that bothered by it?  I don't know.. I guess I just don't press down on my keyboard that hard to ever hear it while typing.


Yeah, when typing softly I hardly ever notice it. I suppose the people who will be most bothered by it are the ones who type harder.
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Yeah I\'d defo keep it. I got 3 filcos here and all of them ping.  Didnt think anything of it until I read on here. Its 2 gen1\'s and a ninja and they all do it. I just hear it as all part of the filco sound and I quite like it. It must be extremely common as all 3 of mine and my friends does it. So out of the 4 Filcos I\'ve used all of them from different gens and batches all do it. I\'m sure if I get another and it doesnt ping you\'ll see a thread from me saying "WTF my filco doesnt ping!! return?!?"

Offline SVC

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« Reply #222 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:43:21 »
I don't really feel like reading through the whole thread, but I have a very similar pinging sound on my filco tenkeyless with mx-browns. While it doesn't really bother me, there is a noticeable ringing that will last for about 2 to 3 seconds when bottoming out and a short and much more quiet noise when not bottoming out, which would then come from the switch springing back into position. It has the same tuning fork like sound to it and makes the whole case vibrate slightly (when holding it up with one hand, while typing with the other).

I think it's the same sound described here in the thread (and the videos). Then again also having a G80-3000 with blue switches around, I don't see a reason to complain, as the ringing is about three times as loud on that keyboard. Seeing how the browns don't ring on the Leopold earlier in the thread, I'm really curious to know why it rings on the filco or the cherry board. Then again it's a good way to force me to not bottom out when typing, so I guess that's one positive thing about it.
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Offline penpoints

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« Reply #223 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:47:38 »
Quote from: ripster;359913
Nah, just trying to dispel the OP's assertion that this is a Filco Ninja manufacturing defect of some kind.


I've identified four different states of Filco ringing/pinging:

1. No ping, just a dead click. (Sure, if you held it up to your ear you might hear a faint ping, but most people don't type that way.)

2. A very slight ping, quickly deadened. (1st-gen blues/browns.)

3. A more noticeable ping, quickly deadened. (1st-gen blacks.)

4. A loud, sustained RINGING, resounding through the metal plate. (2nd-gen browns, Ninja.)

Ripster, you don't have to keep repeating yourself and getting your knickers all twisted up. The more I think about it, the more it seems unlikely that many of the Filco Ninja keyboards have this problem - or there would've been lots more complaints by now. I probably just had some bad luck (x2).

BTW, I really can't hear much ringing in any of the samples posted so far. It's hard to record, I guess.
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Offline gl0ry

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« Reply #224 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 12:51:12 »
I can definitely hear the ringing in fds's video.
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Offline penpoints

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« Reply #225 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 13:38:35 »
Quote from: ripster;360021
Mah knickahs ah twisted.

Sound samples or it didn't happen.


But when you hear the recordings you insist that they're fake! How infantile can you get? (Don't answer that.) :music:
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« Reply #226 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 13:39:10 »
I tried blues on my g80 before, and definitely did not hear the ringing issue as with the Filco with browns. I have not heard it with any other switch or keyboard.
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« Reply #227 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 13:41:27 »
Quote from: penpoints;360019
I've identified four different states of Filco ringing/pinging:

4. A loud, sustained RINGING, resounding through the metal plate. (2nd-gen browns, Ninja.)


Like I'v said before, one of the first gen majestouch browns I've used did the ringing just like you're saying only 2nd gen keyboards do.
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #228 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 13:48:09 »
Quote from: ripster;359945
I think you are twanging a open switch with a paper clip.

Got a video camera?

 
Call me liar and then apologizing one time should be enough for you, isn't it?
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« Reply #229 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 13:56:56 »
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Two separate issues.  Typical spring ping is not what is being described.  What is being described is when the entire metal plate on the Filco rings like a tuning fork.

 
I think is a good explanation, my pinging switch was alone and previously I had two of them on my Xarmor, this can be explained by the tolerances on the switch building process and on unevenness on the soldering process.

Instead looks like Filcos are affected on almost every switches and this can't be explained by cherry's tolerances, but just by the materials used and the soldering process.
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« Reply #230 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:03:02 »
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I find your logic extremely odd.

 
This makes my logic even more solid.

Please don't agree with me or I will start to doubt about myself.
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« Reply #231 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:22:21 »
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Another happy customer at OCN!

Per the quote, if all he hears is "click click click" then it goes against your suggestion that this is a common occurrence that someone "needs to get over."  On the keyboard I have, there is absolutely no way you can not hear it.  Whether it bothers you or not I guess is up to personal preference, but it is unmistakably present.  It is an actual issue that may not be common and is definitely not normal.

I think I'm busting out the foam today.  Arrange a lego prayer session please.


Quote from: ripster;360079
Meanwhile this thread is awesome FUD.

The irony...
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« Reply #232 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:22:36 »
At least this finally explains why you call the buttons "keys", they are musical instruments
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« Reply #233 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:25:37 »
It would be more interesting if they generated different tones.  I'm getting tired of B♭
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« Reply #234 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:26:58 »
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It would be more interesting if they generated different tones.  I'm getting tired of B♭

 
And could be misleading for the C# programmers...
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« Reply #235 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:27:06 »
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FUD when people on other keyboard forums start worrying about something that is not a manufacturing defect.

How is it not a manufacturing defect?  You wishing it isn't doesn't make it so.
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« Reply #236 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:30:35 »
Denial.  You're the one emotionally invested here.
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« Reply #237 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:31:55 »
Soap.

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« Reply #238 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:39:03 »
Speaking about illusionist, did you see this ?

[video=youtube;jvXqXcVF5S8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvXqXcVF5S8&feature=player_profilepage[/video]
Likely the first smart thing seen about an iphone
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« Reply #239 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 14:39:10 »
I'm starting to see double. Damn liquor.

Speaking of movies, don't watch "The Tree of Life". Except if you like RealForce.
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