Not really happy with cherry brown :/

[theferenc]

No, there are new clear boards. Deck, for instance, has two that I know of (frost and ice).

[qtan5370]

No even think about RED?

[bhtooefr]

Hmm, spamming with buckling spring might be a little tricky. That said, Model Ms aren't too hard to find on the used market. 1391401 is the most popular of the first-generation part numbers. eBay can get you one, if nothing else. If you need Windows keys or native USB, about $79 will get you a brand new Unicomp.

[Reason]

Reason, where are you? No, that isn't a joke.

If you're near another geekhacker, they can probably let you try at least some of those.

I know Indiana, at least, has fairly decent geekhack coverage (near purdue, near IU, southern Indiana, near Indy). I'm pretty sure there's more than a few in California, as well.

I live in Utah and I doubt that there are many other geekhackers living here lol :Cry:

Recommending ergo clears for someone's first keyboard is like saying to a Starcraft noob to sign up for the professional circuit in Korea.

Regarding your last question click the Wiki tab above and look at the WW Shopping guide - it's sorted by switch.

hmm I just read The Solutor's post and I realized that ergo clear = CRAZY MODDING D:
I think I'm too noob to do that lol

[alaricljs]

I was in SLC with my Filco browns last month.

[keyboardlover]

Even this senior member KL had to farm out his soldering.

Lolwut?

[qtan5370]

Oh, I think I still have some Cherry G80 white white post on eBay

Play SC on master level in U.S. I feel for gaming, Black or Red would be very good.

[Reason]

How are you with a soldering iron?

Even this senior member KL had to farm out his soldering.

My soldering skills are almost non-existent >_>
and the most modding I've done with anything is ... putting a computer together and apart and that's not even modding

[theferenc]

Hmmm...I can't help much with Utah. I will have some Model Ms for sale in the near future, though. There are several on eBay for under $35, shipped, but I don't know if they come with cords or not, or what condition they actually are.

I usually don't look at the nicer ones, since I prefer to get them cheap and refurbish them myself.

[Reason]

Is there something like testing out different key switches?
My parents already think I'm crazy because I spent around $150 on a keyboard and
if I buy few more keyboards that cost around $100... I don't think they will much approve >_>

[Reason]

No even think about RED?

 
I just heard from someone that Red switches feel really realllly light.. even more than blue or brown
so I'm kind of hesitant to try it out.. and they cost a ton too

[alaricljs]

It takes quite some time but there is the good Sir's switch try board/bag/numpad who knows what else is being shipped around...

link 1
home base

[The Solutor]

Recommending ergo clears for someone's first keyboard is like saying to a Starcraft noob to sign up for the professional circuit in Korea.

 
I think this quote can be nominated for the ripster's top stupid sentence of the year.


1# try one of them, and not just a single key as you did.

2# keep saying the opposite of what I'm saying just for the lulz, is usually completely unhelpful for any newcomer that are usually unaware of your bias.

3# ergo clears are surely the less traumatic jump from RD to Cherry, because the tactility is close enough.

[theferenc]

Reds are really light. A lot of people that like them, like them specifically for that reason, as a matter of fact.

Buckling springs are not light. They are heavy. And awesome. Awesomely heavy. And awesome. I type on them all day long, 8-10 hours a day, nearly every day, and my hands don't get tired. The only time I'm not using them is when I'm using my HHKB, which is also awesome. But expensive. Awesomely expensive.

[The Solutor]

Trying to tell a noob to resolder and swap hammers/springs in his first mechanical keyboard is like telling Paris Hilton to do Geekhack's Vbulletin 5.0 theme.

 
Not all keyboard are Backlit and hard to mod like mine.

If he is not interested in backlight a cheap brown cherry or any other pcb mounted keyboard requires not more than an our of work and zero tools other than a screwdriver and a scissor.

And you are well aware of this.

[The Solutor]

You didn't click on my Law Of The Instrument link did you?

Looks like a recursive law, you use it in every occasion, no matter what argument is discussed.

Isn't it ?

As a clinical psychologist I see this Maslow phenomenon daily on Internet Forums.

With 37000 messages on a single forum, is statistically very easy to found your own posts. So I can understand what happen...

[redpill]

I'm sure The Keyboard Company appreciates your concern.

[ch_123]

Well, OP seems to have a problem with low activation force, not low tactility. If I could, I would go for high activation force + high tactility, ie a Cherry Green board.

 
Excellent.

Wait, how many keyboards use the Green switch over the entire keyboard?

Funny how braindead Cherry fanboydom compels people to recommend non existent keyboards, or random mixtures of rare Cherry switches rather than just go for a buckling spring or an Alps.

[The Solutor]

Funny how braindead Cherry fanboydom compels people to recommend non existent keyboards, or random mixtures of rare Cherry switches rather than just go for a buckling spring or an Alps.

 
You switched in ripster mode ?

Have you ever touched an ergo clear ?

[ch_123]

You switched in ripster mode ?

Have you ever touched an ergo clear ?

No, I was a bit too busy to gather the appropriate parts.

[The Solutor]

No, I was a bit too busy to gather the appropriate parts.

 

But not busy enough to avoid to call braindead someone who suggest something you never tried.

[ch_123]

This coming from the "don't waste your time and money in anything else" guy. Ho-hum.

I also think you're slightly missing my point, slightly.

[The Solutor]

This coming from the "don't waste your time and money in anything else" guy. Ho-hum.

Don't waste money in anything else was intended as "don't buy a blue, and then sell it because it's noisy, don't buy a black just to find it is unpleasant, and so on"

BS are nice, I agree with you, but have a number of drawbacks that can't made them an item easy to suggest to a newcomer, the should be a complement to any keyboard "collection" but not as first board to buy. IMO

I also think you're slightly missing my point, slightly.

Throwing "bombs" in to the crowd is always a risky operation, a precision gun should be used in those cases.

BTW nice to hear i was not the target.

[ch_123]

Sure, the buckling springs are not 100% ideal, but neither is combining two switch types, especially given the relative scarcity of Clear switches. Lot of work required for someone who may not be into modding.

[The Solutor]

given the relative scarcity of Clear switches.

 

They are really easy to find.

In the US they are easily available from mouser or from cherry pos boards off ebay, in Europe you can get a brand new cherry g80 for 44€ (or again look to ebay) and use it as donor or receiver board.

Lot of work required for someone who may not be into modding.

As I said before we are on geeckhack not on lazy****, even a newcomer that register itself here is supposed to like a bit of research, modding, experiments.

Personally I spent a lot for a couple of boards but now they are exactly what I wanted, ISO enter excluded (BTW an UK Qpad is on its way right now).

Cooking something you like it's a pleasure that no restaurant can give.

Then I repeat myself, swapping the stems on a PCB mount board is matter of 1h  work, nothing to do with the 7+ hours spent on my xarmor.

If the receiver board is a basic plate mounted one, like a Filco, the time may rise to a couple of hours or more, depending on the soldering and desoldering tools used.

[Adhesive_X]

They had  clears at digikey a few months ago.
Pick up 3 or 4 switches and plant them in a piece of clay to make a quick gaming cluster to get the feel.
$20 experiment is cheaper than buying a deck and getting stuck with it.

[ch_123]

BS are nice, I agree with you, but have a number of drawbacks that can't made them an item easy to suggest to a newcomer, the should be a complement to any keyboard "collection" but not as first board to buy. IMO

Why though? Just about any keyboard has disadvantages associated with it. Why are the Model M's so bad?

[The Solutor]

Why are the Model M's so bad?

 
If someone tell me a generic "i don't like my car, what one you suggest ?", w/o adding anything else, i don't go to suggest a Smart or a Hummer, nor a Ferrari or a Trabant, I suggest a Golf or a Grande Punto, even if I consider the smart one of the more intelligent cars ever, even if I like a lot a Ferrari.

For keyboards is the same BS are extreme, bulky, not so nice looking, with interface problems if old IBM ones (and if connected to a ripster's PC), stiff and loud.

You can love them, but you can hate them, they can be also felt as a too long jump from RD or scissors.

Browns are the exact opposite, not too loud, not too stiff, not too tactile, not too linear, not too bad, not too good. The average joe's keyboard.

Ergo clears have a bit more pepper and salt, are tasty w/o being noisy or affected by great hysteresis, a Golf GTI to continue with cars analogies...

[ch_123]

Looks are entirely subjective, and largely meaningless anyway. Interface - just get a USB Unicomp, or a PS/2 adapter. Some people may want the stiffness, as the OP implied. Many people around here have had buckling springs as their first mech keyboards, myself included.

[The Solutor]

Many people around here have had buckling springs as their first mech keyboards, myself included.

But likely they tried it before and they found them good, hardly someone will wake up some morning and go to buy blindly a BS board.