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Offline theferenc

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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 10:14:43 »
acfrazier, I think what EK is saying is that, in the past, this was a mature, knowledgeable forum. Unfortunately, it's currently degraded to absolute crap, as you mention. I don't think I've even seen iMav post in months in the keyboard forum. When even the owner is avoiding it, you know something is wrong.

We really need to fix this, or the community is going to turn in to nothing but a more arrogant OCN.
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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 10:33:47 »
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acfrazier, I think what EK is saying is that, in the past, this was a mature, knowledgeable forum. Unfortunately, it's currently degraded to absolute crap, as you mention. I don't think I've even seen iMav post in months in the keyboard forum. When even the owner is avoiding it, you know something is wrong.

We really need to fix this, or the community is going to turn in to nothing but a more arrogant OCN.

I have to say that as recently as 2-3 months ago the forum seemed way more professional and mature. People would generally ignore Ripster's silly Glee/Lego posts and see the value that he added to the forum outside of that. Everyone else was working mods and trying things out and contributing to keyboard science. The past 2-3 weeks, however, have made me kind of sick. Meh. Even this thread, which has at least a fundamental foundation in something that could be useful, degraded pretty quickly into "MY SWITCH IS BETTER!" when it really just boils down to everyone having different preferences. I love my red switches but actually strongly disagree that they're "the next brown." I'm not going to call you stupid for thinking otherwise, though.

Back to the more interesting issue that arose in this thread, I'm very interested in this switch try board input nirvana. As there really aren't any good options for trying out ergo/tacto clears out there I'd love to see what all the hype is about. Add me to the list if you're putting one together. :)
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Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 10:41:21 »
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We really need to fix this,


Yes we need a borg like forum, where all are assimilated, and no one argue.

Instead here we have even people who like logitech boards, who ask why a topre keypad is sold for 129$, or if a filco is worth the price.

Really incredible, communists are still alive (maybe are just aliens) :becky:
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« Reply #93 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 10:41:54 »
I think that I would love Red switches, not sure about 'the next Brown' but they are not easily acquired in the US which leads to very little awareness and/or usage of them; also Cherry Corp. halted production a few years ago due to low global need for the product which is why these switches are relatively rare and unpopular.
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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:30:13 »
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I'm sorry, but have you seen geekhack the past few months? I would hardly say that the community as a whole has any kind of maturity whatsoever. And the only sense of "community" is that people can throw money at a "group buy". It's degraded into "what keyboard should I buy?" and trolls trolling trolls. For someone who claims to be on geekhack for some time, you surely haven't been on here much recently.

/rant


Said by the individual (with whom I've had no previous contact with) last week called me a moron and that he hopes I get bitten in the ass. Pot/Kettle=Black.
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As far as EK goes, if you dig past the flak, there is a clear product message. The delivery is a bit harsh and causes people to tune out :(

Chobopants: PM me and we can put together a "switch sample box" with a couple people in a month. :)
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Offline HaiiYaa

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« Reply #95 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:40:30 »
Again I ask.

Should i return the red switches and get brown switches instead, as EK said they haven't been tested enough?
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #96 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:45:02 »
They haven't been tested from a market perspective as thoroughly as the other switches. Quality-wise they are exactly the same. It's a matter of what feel you prefer.
To me they are the best feeling switch ever. But it's really a matter of personal preference.
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Offline hybridsoul5

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« Reply #97 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:45:21 »
What do your fingers tell you?
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Offline HaiiYaa

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« Reply #98 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:50:06 »
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What do your fingers tell you?


That they are the only switches I love everything about
I hate tactile switches like brown, clear, or blue. The bump is so annoying
Blacks are too stiff
Reds are just flawless for me
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Offline Chobopants

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« Reply #99 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:55:33 »
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That they are the only switches I love everything about
I hate tactile switches like brown, clear, or blue. The bump is so annoying
Blacks are too stiff
Reds are just flawless for me

Haha, then keep them! It's all preference man. I love all my switches for different reasons and swap between them often depending on my mood!

@input nirvana - sending PM now.

@ripster - holy crap, I'm glad I missed all that drama, sounds like that thread was intense.

Like I said previously...I logged onto the IRC channel for a week and all it was was people who didn't contribute to the forum complaining about ripster/others and talking about bitcoin. The few times I asked for help about my Leopold all I got was made fun of for not using a BS/capacitive board. IIRC it was ripster who actually suggested I grease the stabilizers and see if it helps. So much for not being helpful.

Also, most of these people coming on here and starting drama have been on the forum for < 6 months, I'm confused as to what makes them think that they have the right to dictate how it should work. Meh, just gotta hope it subsides I guess.
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« Reply #100 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:55:41 »
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Reds are just flawless for me

 
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« Reply #101 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 11:57:21 »
Quote from: ripster;373113
This concept is sometimes forgotten around here.

 
I agree. Sometimes it can be misconstrued through misinformation, hype or technical documentation.

Feel is the most important factor.
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« Reply #102 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:23:23 »
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Feel is the most important factor.
Which is why we need more try switch boards floating around! :)
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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:24:54 »
Hmm good point. Maybe another one of them is in order.
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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:28:25 »
If there is something like that available for sale, I'm in. I had just added a line today to my sig about putting one together, but if someone has done it already I'll save myself the hassle.
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Offline magictoaster

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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:40:09 »
I would love to try a keyboard with Cherry MX-Red, but they seem to be rather elusive (at least in Canada). I'm waiting for EK to start selling them! ;)

As far as GH goes, I must admit to rather enjoying Ripster's crazy postings. Threads tend to get derailed frequently, but it adds to the "charm" of the forum. Some users should probably exercise restraint and avoid insulting others, but I'm new around here, so maybe I should just shut up! ;)
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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:50:02 »
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"Never ever" is one week? I've been using them for over a year off and on. I'm unimpressed. They're so light with no tactility you almost always bottom out, so that might not be a problem most the time, but that doesn't mean it won't always not be a problem.

I'm not here to spread FUD, like I said, brown or red makes no difference to me, so arguing with me on this basis in any regard is of no utility. The point is that browns have been a staple for a long time, and for good reason, with good research and millions of hours of field testing; reds have not. The grass is always greener on the other side...

This post is one of them. It's not that you don't seem to have knowledge, its the way you talk. "The grass is always greener on the other side" ... So what you are saying is that people that prefer reds are using them because "the grass is greener on the other side".

It appears you have let posters on here get to you. Just post your facts, and or information. Opinions are good, but know what you can challenge. You can't tell me the color blue is better than green. That's what you said by "saying the grass is greener on the side". Blue is better than green. A jelly sandwich is better than a peanut butter one. It's a matter of taste. Has nothing to do with the grass is greener on the other side.
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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:53:20 »
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Like I said previously...I logged onto the IRC channel for a week and all it was was people who didn't contribute to the forum complaining about ripster/others and talking about bitcoin. The few times I asked for help about my Leopold all I got was made fun of for not using a BS/capacitive board. IIRC it was ripster who actually suggested I grease the stabilizers and see if it helps. So much for not being helpful.


I hang out in IRC, and in all honesty, you're pretty much right on the mark. There's even a bot set up in there that monitors all of Ripster's posts here at GH. It's a little creepy. At time it really just seems as though the most active members in IRC are just a group that has banded together over their shared dislike of Ripster. Kinda sad :(

DISCLAIMER: I myself have vented about rip once or twice in there, so I'm not trying to be hypocritical or anything, just sharing my opinion.

Quote from: Chobopants;373111
Also, most of these people coming on here and starting drama have been on the forum for < 6 months, I'm confused as to what makes them think that they have the right to dictate how it should work. Meh, just gotta hope it subsides I guess.

 
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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:55:10 »
That could be a good idea. Something like this maybe?
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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:56:36 »
PS: The problem with GeekHack is that the majority of people here are just way too touchy. Lighten up, we're talking about keyboards here. Not everything has to be "insulting". So what if elitekeyboards says "the grass is greener on the other side"? I mean, seriously? You're going to get upset about that?

We all just need to chill out and remember why we're here.
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 13:57:26 »
Pls bring GeekGirl back :(  Martin Sheen is just scary
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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:00:23 »
Quote from: ripster;373200
But yeah, kinda creepy.  Like KL following me around.   Those guys ARE  "The Biggest Losers" in the Troll Poll and in Life.

 
Lolwut?

A. I never "followed" you around and

B. Which one of us spends more time per day on an Internet forum?
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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:05:51 »
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Pls bring GeekGirl back :(  Martin Sheen is just scary


This please ^^^ my life hasnt really been the same since you changed your avatar :(
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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:12:36 »
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That could be a good idea. Something like this maybe?
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Hmm, not sure lysol. The distribution of Black/Red feels odd to me. Let me think about what I'd like a bit. I like having Blues on the F keys as they're the easiest for people to try (Blackwidow in a Best Buy or something), though.
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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:13:25 »
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Actually I am kinda complimented that IRC ONLY monitor my posts.

They are the most entertaining and most technically accurate.

But yeah, kinda creepy.  Like KL following me around.   Those guys ARE  "The Biggest Losers" in the Troll Poll and in Life.

Get over it.
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This is a beautiful board! Maybe I should get some white engraved for my Blues.
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« Reply #115 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:15:23 »
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See.

What did I say.

Creepy.

 
Agreed. P.S. your yellow tones don't match.

Not awesome.
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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:34:19 »
Quote from: daerid;373199
PS: The problem with GeekHack is that the majority of people here are just way too touchy. Lighten up, we're talking about keyboards here. Not everything has to be "insulting". So what if elitekeyboards says "the grass is greener on the other side"? I mean, seriously? You're going to get upset about that?

We all just need to chill out and remember why we're here.

 
Upset? No. This is interesting to me. To hear someone talk like this from his position (as a owner of Elitekeyboards). I wouldn't address anyone else who would make a statement like that.
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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:39:15 »
I remember why I'm here. For the cake.

By the way, the cake is a lie.
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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:45:33 »
No, I wouldn't, and I don't. It doesn't change how I feel about that bot. I'm just expressing an opinion on something. It seems a little excessive, and not humorous at all (so yeah, I may be failing to see the humor there).

Besides, that logic's like saying "Oh he ran over a kid? That's ok, he donated a billion dollars to charity. So it's all good". Not necessarily that extreme, obviously, but it demonstrates the point.
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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 04 July 2011, 14:57:00 »
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Hmm, not sure lysol. The distribution of Black/Red feels odd to me. Let me think about what I'd like a bit. I like having Blues on the F keys as they're the easiest for people to try (Blackwidow in a Best Buy or something), though.

It's an idea I've been playing with as sort of an 'ergo' gaming board. Blacks on the main gaming cluster. Reds where you'd be more likely to be using the pinky since they are softer, white in the diagram = switches I don't want to press by accident while gaming ideally I'd like grey, but possibly put black there too. Browns for most of the alpha block as I like them best so far for typing... could decide to swap blues and browns though...
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