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Offline litster

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« Reply #150 on: Tue, 19 July 2011, 12:49:15 »
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So its just a matter of dumping keycaps, keyboard exterior in a bucket of peroxide and leaving it out in the sun until done?

It sounds much better/safer than the other method!

OxyClean alone + water under the sun has proven to work.  The unknown is if OxyClean works without being under the Sun, and what is the minimum mix ratio.  A professional chemist would be able to tell us.  But we are just techies, so we experiment.  If you don't care to know the most cost effective mix ratio, just use more than you think you need, put it under the sun, and be done with it.  :)

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« Reply #151 on: Tue, 19 July 2011, 23:03:22 »
litster: sorry, I've been butchering your name, my bad eyes really have trouble with lower case letter "i" and lowercase letter "l".  

Also InputNirvana, did you mention that you  have multiple Kinesis boards and are considering selling?  I'd be interested if the price is within my budget, perhaps we can talk in PM if you have any up for grabs.
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« Reply #152 on: Tue, 19 July 2011, 23:12:20 »
Nah, let's pollute the forum with our backroom dealings....

You know the price triples after they get the Oqsy-Oxy bath?  :)
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« Reply #153 on: Tue, 19 July 2011, 23:18:32 »
Oqsy, no problem.  At least you didn't call me lister!  LOL!  *wink*

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« Reply #154 on: Wed, 20 July 2011, 00:26:52 »
InputNirvana: I'm hoping I can catch you on a bad math day when you think you're charging me triple, but only charge me 1/3.
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« Reply #155 on: Wed, 20 July 2011, 00:45:14 »
Dude, that was YESTERDAY...lol
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« Reply #156 on: Thu, 21 July 2011, 21:48:39 »
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OxyClean alone + water under the sun has proven to work.  The unknown is if OxyClean works without being under the Sun, and what is the minimum mix ratio.  A professional chemist would be able to tell us.  But we are just techies, so we experiment.  If you don't care to know the most cost effective mix ratio, just use more than you think you need, put it under the sun, and be done with it.  :)


I have a bottle of developer with 12% H2O2, since it was thick and paste like, I used it straight from the bottle.

Where I live, we get almost 12 hours of sunlight everyday. The solution dried out and it didn't really work well, took me 3 days to realize what went wrong. The next step I attempted was to put it in the shade, applied the developer generously and made sure it did not dry out. That worked better, but i only did it for da day. 7 hours in the shade in with equator sun and my case still have a slight yellow hue to it.

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« Reply #157 on: Thu, 21 July 2011, 22:01:18 »
Are you going to try it again?
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« Reply #158 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 00:27:43 »
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Are you going to try it again?

Next weekend hopefully.
Plus I'm a getting a shipment of yellow and dirty keyboards coming my way

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« Reply #159 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 01:15:15 »
Yaaayyy! A shipment of old keyboards!!!!!!  :)  

Anything interesting?
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« Reply #160 on: Fri, 22 July 2011, 01:32:25 »
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Yaaayyy! A shipment of old keyboards!!!!!!  :)  

Anything interesting?

Posted at 'It's in the mail'. Help me answer some questions if you can :)

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« Reply #161 on: Sun, 24 July 2011, 23:23:29 »
Did more experiment today.  I have a set of Dolch keycaps with yellow white letters.  Bought a new can of OxyClean from Target.  Used 2 scoops OxyClean in about 8 Oz of water.  

ScrollLock and letter G before OxyClean.  NumLock and 8 are controls.


Numpad * and numpad 3 before OxyClean.  NumLock and 8 are controls.


After 5 hours of direct sun in OxyClean solution.  ScrollLock and letter G were in OxyClean *under* the sun for 5 hours.  Numpad * and numpad 3 after 5 hours indoor (no sun) in OxyClean solution.  


It is not dramatic, but you can see ScrollLock and the letter G getting whiter.  Numpad * and Numpad 3, although in the same OxyClean solution but without sun, didn't not get whiter.

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« Reply #162 on: Sun, 24 July 2011, 23:32:57 »
A-ha!
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[/SIZE][/COLOR]What happened to just using the recommended amount that oqsy tried?

I notice your dark keys did not get whitened like mine did (lucky you or maybe a function of the type of plastic).

Is this what you used, the 6 pound container of Oxy-Clean?
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2 scoops=1 cup. 1 scoop= 1/2 cup per gallon recommended (weakest).

My whitened keys are a mystery until I do others (of the same key) at a much lower concentration than 10x like I did before.
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« Reply #163 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:00:23 »
The pre-soak formula outside the OxyClean can says 1 scoop to 16 oz.  I did 2 scoops to 8 oz.  That is 4x the recommended ratio for pre-soak.  Forecast is rainy tomorrow and the next few days.  Next time we have a sunny day, should be Thursday, I will use new solution (same ratio) to continue the whitening process.

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« Reply #164 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:06:30 »
This whole "scoop" measuring is a problem. Different size scoops. I'm guessing you bought a smaller container than 6 pounds?


The 6 pound Oxy-Clean has these directions:
1/4 scoop (2 tablespoons) for 16oz for pre-treat.
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Also--Nice pics of the keys!
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« Reply #165 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:12:18 »
This is what is on my can of OxyClean, and the size of the scoop that comes with my small can.



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« Reply #166 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:20:56 »
The "scoop-conspiracy" has been solved!

Looks like we have a typical case of "scoop-envy". Your scoop ain't no 1/2 cup!

The upper right side of the graphic directions say 1 scoop=? (what is that measurement?)
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« Reply #167 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:23:39 »
1 scoop == 2 tbsp

And I made a mistake.  it should be pre-treat, not pre-soak.

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« Reply #168 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:28:36 »
For the record I have the six lb tub and 1/2 cup scoop.
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« Reply #169 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 00:36:21 »
Ok, this is what I am coming up with:

First, let's convert scoops to actual unit measurements. Litster scoop=2 tablespoons, Oqsy scoop=the 6 pound tub scoop 1/2 cup=8 tablespoons. Litsters pre-treat directions state 1 scoop=2 tablespoons. Oqsy 6 pound tub pre-treat state 1/4 scoop=2 tablespoons. That translates to the same mix at 1 cup per gallon, so that checks out, the same stuff, same strength.

-- Oxy Clean mixes range from 1/2 cup per gallon (weakest) to 1 cup per gallon (strongest) --

Litster used *2 scoops* (4 tablespoons in 8oz water=4 cups per 1 gallon). 4x the recommended MAX strength.

Oqsy used *4 scoops* (2 cups in 4 gallons=1/2 cup per 1 gallon). The recommended weakest mix ratio for Oxy Clean. 1x the weakest mix seems to work!

So we now know:
No sun=No deal
1x and 4x strengths do the job (maybe less will do it also)

THE BOTTOM LINE:
Recommended mix of the name brand "Oxy Clean" and water in sunlight for the first 6 hours or less gets rid of that yellow piss look. No caustic chemicals/mixing/equipment needed, it's the cheapest (costs pennies per gallon), least dangerous (it's a household fabric-safe cleaner), available everywhere, easiest (powder, water, container, sun), and over-dosing many times over doesn't seem to cause any problems/damage.

Share if you have experiences. Try to convert to standard units of measure to avoid some of the run around earlier in the thread (no more pooper-scooper). We still don't know the actual amount of solution needed, it seems much less than required to submerge the parts, so that's a moot issue. The various types of plastics may be affected differently as I had some keys that were considerably lightened.

I think we are at the point of confirming with a few more of these projects, that the 1/2 to 1 cup per gallon Oxy Clean mix in the sun is adequate to eliminate the yellow. Photos are always welcome.
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« Reply #170 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 11:02:32 »
Maybe I'm not seeing it. The SCROLL ant G keys look like the underside of the top key to me.
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« Reply #171 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 12:12:39 »
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So what kind of scientific experiment is this if you guys don't do control samples with the original RetrObrite formula?

I think we already know both methods work.  They are both effective.  One is paste form, one is liquid form.  Different options for different applications.

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« Reply #172 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 12:31:58 »
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One is paste form, one is liquid form.  Different options for different applications.


BTW, here Oxy clean is almost unknown, Vanish Oxi Action is a well known similar product, and it's available also in gel form, good to clean parts that can't be submerged.

I presume that also Oxy clean has a similar product in its line.
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« Reply #173 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 12:54:07 »
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So what kind of scientific experiment is this if you guys don't do control samples with the original RetrObrite formula?

So likeable. I have no idea where Ripster-haters get their kooky ideas...
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« Reply #174 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 13:10:58 »
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So what kind of scientific experiment is this if you guys don't do control samples with the original RetrObrite formula?

Hey, this ain't no science experiment...we're just doing laundry :)

2 good Ripster points:
1) I need to make Retrobrite paste for 2 case bottoms I can't submerge (due to paper labels). So I'm waiting to Oxy the rest until I can make that comparison with Retrobrite at the same time. Might as well make it into a science experiment to satisfy the skeptics.

2) Taking accurate pics is a big part of the documentation process. I'll be much more diligent with photos, and no more shoddy cellphone pics.

I'm not absolutely positive Oxy alone is quite as good as Retrobrite (yet), but at this point it's definitely safe to say several of us have achieved 95% or better with Oxy mixes ranging from the weakest recommended to about 5x the strongest recommended. A few more keyboards, keys, people, plastics, degrees of yellow, and locations should give a more accurate sampling of what can be reasonably achieved.
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« Reply #175 on: Mon, 25 July 2011, 14:27:04 »
The original Retrobrite article:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:9099

False_Dmitry_II (moved his post to a wiki), who I talked with before we started the Oxy Clean only process:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:20283

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Also not sure it's any cheaper. The Hydrogen Peroxide gel hair stuff I used was $3 a 500ml bottle and people report good results just painting it on with a brush and putting out in bright light or better under a CFL so it won't dry out. For lots of keys the paste would be a PITA.
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[/URL]Brush on a gel hydrogen peroxide? That sounds pretty good, I missed those posts, I'll go read them. That sounds like it would still be overall easier, cheap, and less caustic than the Full-Monty Retrobrite method.
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« Reply #176 on: Tue, 26 July 2011, 04:10:34 »
So, liquid for keys, paste for cases.

Gonna get some Vanish oxi clean to put with my 12% Developer and see magic

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« Reply #177 on: Tue, 26 July 2011, 11:33:46 »
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So, liquid for keys, paste for cases.

Gonna get some Vanish oxi clean to put with my 12% Developer and see magic
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Look at that thing! It appears it's been chain smoking for about 15 years non-stop.

This would be a great BEFORE/AFTER project to show.
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« Reply #178 on: Tue, 26 July 2011, 15:23:16 »
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A lot of work for a Fujitsu Peerless.

Again, helpful and kind. I love your new positive outlook.
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« Reply #179 on: Tue, 26 July 2011, 18:58:01 »
Just doing it for the lulz

A before and after picture, the best I've ever seen was on that C64 at the Retr0bright website

edit:

http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2009-03-22-deyellowing-paste-trial-on-c64.htm

now I know what the dried solution did to my case
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