[GB] Double shot replacements ROUND FOUR! - PACKING!

[mkawa]

look, it sounds like there's a good chance this whole thing is going to fall apart and very few of us will get anything at all, so here's what i think needs to be changed.

1) there should be AT MOST two color/key schemes. we all want volume discounts, and we only get those discounts if we actually mass orders, so take the two most popular color/key schemes and let's order lots of those keys. at the moment it looks like those will be retro and sph.

2) for each key and lettering scheme, there should be exactly one general color scheme for those who want labeled keys. allow one alternate color for each size of key. in particular, it sounds like this RGBY thing has to go. personally, i think it looks silly anyway, but the fact is no one is going to buy 90$ standard kits, and people ***** to no end if something is more expensive than they want it to be.

3) once these options are set, cull mercilessly.

4) once the styles are set, and note that there will now be a very reasonable and easy to navigate selection, put up REAL promo images so that people can see what they will be getting and have some chance of understanding how to order.

5) once you have promo images, CULL MERCILESSLY. personally, i like the round3 lettering style most, but i would probably be fine with the retro style if i had any idea of what it was going to look like. i really just want a set of light-colored attractive keys with big readable text that otherwise has a pretty conventional set of symbols for macos, win and linux -- seriously.

[sinis]

ma face looking the invoice

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[inaneframe]

more noir less sph

Yeah, no.

[byFd]

what code was the normal tenkeyless? i think i'll order a round 3 tenkeyless for my future work keyboard lol.

btw i am asking because the wiki keeps telling me "Database Error"

[7bit]

look, it sounds like there's a good chance this whole thing is going to fall apart and very few of us will get anything at all, so here's what i think needs to be changed.

1) there should be AT MOST two color/key schemes. we all want volume discounts, and we only get those discounts if we actually mass orders, so take the two most popular color/key schemes and let's order lots of those keys. at the moment it looks like those will be retro and sph.

SPH and RETRO / supplements for existing ROUND3 kits only.

But then there are those 50 CHERRYBLACK150 kits ...

2) for each key and lettering scheme, there should be exactly one general color scheme for those who want labeled keys. allow one alternate color for each size of key. in particular, it sounds like this RGBY thing has to go. personally, i think it looks silly anyway, but the fact is no one is going to buy 90$ standard kits, and people ***** to no end if something is more expensive than they want it to be.

We need around 100 orders of any Standard kit (TERMINAL to TKL) in one color-scheme to have a price of around $55 for TKL.

3) once these options are set, cull mercilessly.

:shock:

4) once the styles are set, and note that there will now be a very reasonable and easy to navigate selection, put up REAL promo images so that people can see what they will be getting and have some chance of understanding how to order.

There are no real images showing the key caps, because most of these have never been done before.

5) once you have promo images, CULL MERCILESSLY. personally, i like the round3 lettering style most, but i would probably be fine with the retro style if i had any idea of what it was going to look like. i really just want a set of light-colored attractive keys with big readable text that otherwise has a pretty conventional set of symbols for macos, win and linux -- seriously.

[hashbaz]

ma face looking the invoice

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Mine too.

[Dezeer]

7bit, is there some kit (order code) that I could or should advertise on different forum, that has good pictures?

[sinis]

7bit, is there some kit (order code) that I could or should advertise on different forum, that has good pictures?

how about http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_Four_4_Dummies

[Dezeer]

how about http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_Four_4_Dummies

I was more or less thinking that is there single kit that should get more buyers and that I could just say, that if you order with this code you get this type of keys.

[7bit]

I was more or less thinking that is there single kit that should get more buyers and that I could just say, that if you order with this code you get this type of keys.

Recommended kits are:
SPH/STANDARD
SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE
RETRO/STANDARD
RETRO/STDRGBY
RETRO/TKL
RETRO/TKLRGBY
RETRO/SPACE

[Parallaxis]

As long as the moogle kits get made I don't really care if NOIR makes it as you can just find a used Cherry board on ebay and steal the keys off of it

[Wraul]

As long as the moogle kits get made I don't really care if NOIR makes it as you can just find a used Cherry board on ebay and steal the keys off of it

As long as you don't need one of the language kits.
That goes for all of the styles. This buy is the only way to get keys for layouts other than US.

Also I really hope that ROUND3 makes it, or at least NOIR. Else my brother won't have anything to put on his new Filco camo. And we wouldn't want him to be without keycaps do we?

[7bit]

As long as the moogle kits get made I don't really care if NOIR makes it as you can just find a used Cherry board on ebay and steal the keys off of it

You steal keyboards at ebay?

Isn't such behavior illegal?

However:

50x CHERRYBLACK150 as a standalone kit would cost around the same as it is listed in the pricelist ($14).

I'm just waiting for a reply from, SP and then I will decide what I do.

[7bit]

What the status on this?  Is this closed or are you taking more orders to bring the cost down?

If at all I throw out some styels, but I will not close this!

Order as much as you can and help to bring the prices down.

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[7bit]

As long as you don't need one of the language kits.
That goes for all of the styles. This buy is the only way to get keys for layouts other than US.

Also I really hope that ROUND3 makes it, or at least NOIR. Else my brother won't have anything to put on his new Filco camo. And we wouldn't want him to be without keycaps do we?

He would be naked. And that in the cold freezing Swedish winter!!!!

[Wraul]

He would be naked. And that in the cold freezing Swedish winter!!!!

That's right. Now everybody go buy some ROUND3 kits and save my brother from freezing to death.

[Zehkul]

You should definitely throw out Blood, I think. (Although it hurts me)
But Noir would be pretty awesome to have, you know... ;/

[7bit]

You should definitely throw out Blood, I think. (Although it hurts me)
But Noir would be pretty awesome to have, you know... ;/

Just got the response from SP.

The good news: SVG graphics keys cost no more than normal keys, except one time setup fee per shape and key-size.

This is good because I can lower some of the SVG key prices.

Now comes the bad news:

I've asked for prices at higher volumes.

There is a point where prices not go down any further. If I use the best volume prices and add shipping costs and all that I get $70 for the TKL kits.

The STANDARD kit would cost $110.
STANDARD125 would cost $90.

I think the only way out of this is to forget higher volumes and make dedicated kits for specific languages and keyboards.

PS: If you don't know what this means:
It means that preices will change only slightly but not significantly.
It means also that it does not make sense to throw out any kits except if nobody wants them anymore.

The REASON:
SP raised their prices for what ever reason (inflation, energy costs, higher salary, monopolisim, annoying group buyers, extra runs for replacements of f([[:alnum:]]{3})ed up keys, miscalculated Round 3 prices, ...).

[demik]

Don't touch retro, u can do as you please with the others

[7bit]

Don't touch retro, u can do as you please with the others

You did not understand: Removing styles => higher volumes for remaining styles => lower prices does not work.

It will never ever be as cheap as in Round 3.

We got to live with that.

Call it inflation and stop thinking about that.

If you live in EU just divide by 1.3 and prices look much cheaper.

[sinis]

If you live in EU just divide by 1.3 and prices look much cheaper.

it is still 90$ = 70€ for a */TKL with EU Layout

[gimpster]

Recommended kits are:
SPH/STANDARD
SPH/TKL
SPH/SPACE
RETRO/STANDARD
RETRO/STDRGBY
RETRO/TKL
RETRO/TKLRGBY
RETRO/SPACE

Rawk on! I like the simplified ordering idea.

[7bit]

it is still 90$ = 70€ for a */TKL with EU Layout

I will add the option that you can order something like STANDARDDE or STANDARDFR, so it will cost only a bit more than US-layout.
It is minus 2 2.25 units keys and plus a 1.25 units, 1 unit and a J-Ret.

Just have to find a way to avoid an extra-long list (number of standard kits times number of language options).

Also, I can do Filco and Cherry versions, so you don't need to buy a Caps Lock you never need. maybe I should change my order system.
Something like

TENKLESS[FILCO,DE]
or
STANDARD[CHERRY150,FR,RGBY,CONTROL]
^^^
- Cherry G80-1000/3000 without windows keys,
- French layout
- RGBY modifiers
- Control key instead of Caps Lock.

This throws me back to the question why there are more than one kind keyboard (Tipro for the world!!!!).

[sinis]

I will add the option that you can order something like STANDARDDE or STANDARDFR, so it will cost only a bit more than US-layout.
It is minus 2 2.25 units keys and plus a 1.25 units, 1 unit and a J-Ret.

genius.

[7bit]

genius.

Just order thngs like

STANDARDxx
TKLxx
TENKLESSxx
TERMINALxx
STANDARD125xx
STANDARD150xx

where xx is your 2-digit language code.

I will generate the price list before I run my script so which will take a while ...

[sinis]

Hopefully those sets will now be appreciated by the EU customers and be successfully.

[Oxblood]

Does this mean that other kits won't raise the cost? Can I get my BLOOD/GAMER/RED back?

[Rankrotten]

Great. My order now would simply be NOIR/STANDARD/FILCO/UK/MAC  :clap2:

[Thion]

Unfortunately, SPH ist just not for me.

However, i'd take NOIR over ORANJE over ROUND3 over RETRO/GREY over RETRO.

Still hoping for 2-3 Standard Sets to make it through and RGB modifiers/ symbols for everyone.

[Fred]

It's a bit pricier now... but this group buy is still the only one with ISO keys, even for specific languages! Praise to round four!