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Offline enoy21

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« on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 08:54:50 »
Here is my predicimant.

I went from rubber domes to Blue switches which I really love and make it much harder to type on this crappy Dell here at work.  
I'm ok with the blues , but think I would prefer the plastic on plastic full bodied Clack over the click for the most part.
I don't mind bottoming out and don't have a special desire to learn touch typing.

I like blacks ok, but they seem very stiff on this old Wyse60 I have as a test bed after using blues.  So I've narrowed it down to browns vs reds for typing and FPS gaming.

It MUST be a standard 80% Tenkeyless. I don't care for the mini's arrow placement as I use those keys alot.

I feel like I would prefer Reds over Browns for gaming , but they are really hard to find in the States at the moment on a TenKeyless of high quality so I'm considering just going for browns as I'm fairly confident I will like those fine, but I don't really want a "safe" bet when I know there is a chance for "typing on a cloud of boobs".    

So from people who have both , which is your preference and why; How different are they really?  (I saw a review say they are all hype )
Some people say Browns have virtually unnoticeable tactility , others say it's pretty noticeable.
Some say the reds feel a little firmer than browns because the full force is required for the user to realize they are activated.


I'm just looking for a direct comparison of the two in feel as I don't see alot of sites giving that information.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this.
« Last Edit: Mon, 10 October 2011, 09:08:38 by enoy21 »
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« Reply #1 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 09:08:44 »
Browns and reds have the same actuation force.  All I can say is, there is a soft tactile bump for browns whereas reds are a smooth linear force all the way down. For gaming I normally say browns but I'm sure some people enjoy their linear keys, too. So I can't say which you prefer. Red tenkeyless is easiest from CM storm quick fire off pchome (when it comes in stock again you have to be quick) or leopold TKL preorder starting on the 13th. PLU boards have reds, too, but I have no personal experience with the quality or the possible 2kro. Browns are easier to find, of course.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 10:34:18 »
elitekeyboards is supposed to have leopold tenkeyless reds in about 2 weeks

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« Reply #3 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 11:58:02 »
This is my fav board. My preferred switch is Brown. However, Reds would be my second for sure. There's something about the slight tactility is a Brown switch that makes it feel much crisper. Also, there's the fact that Brown boards are much easier to acquire (for some reason I still don't understand). I just wish my MJ1 had the tactility that my MJ2 does. My MJ1 feels almost like reds :(

For a tenkeyless Red, I'd recommend the PLU ML87. It's $80 before shipping, and even though it's not NKRO, I had one for a few months and gamed on it without a single hitch.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 12:15:10 »
Rubber domes have a natural slight tactility don't they ?  I don't know weather it's impatience or what , but I'm getting more and more willing to just pick up some browns. That was my original plan prior to seeing Reds available in TKL here in the states ( although hard to get )

I do need atleast some (3)KRO for FPS  with Shift+W+A/D   for crouched forward strafing.  
Or Shift+D+ for weapon swapping/weapon throw.
But Whatever I've been using on my Saitek Eclipse has been working ok as far as I know.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 12:18:59 »
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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 12:20:18 »
modifiers aren't counted in NKRO... 6KRO is 6 standard keys plus the modifiers
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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 12:27:00 »
So Shift being Crouch/Sprint in game is ok , but what about  W+D+1 ?   (Forward Strafe + Grenage toss )

I don't know that I currently do that because I'm prety bad about using the Number keys for weapon select , but I'm trying to learn to do that rather than slow ass mouse scroll select.  I don't want to be held back by the hardware.


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« Reply #8 on: Mon, 10 October 2011, 12:52:19 »
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This is my fav board.


Thanks Daerid , That's actually the Board I am looking at buying if not the CM Storm Rapid Fire.
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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 12:47:59 »
So , now that more people on here have a bit more experience with reds.... New thoughts on this ?


I am loving my browns, but there is an itch in the back of my mind ( called a GH bug I think ) that keeps telling me  " But if you like browns this much , JUST IMAGINE HOW AWESOME A SMOOTHER BROWN WILL BE"  



So is it true ? Is it all hype ?   If my new office proximity causes an issue with noise and blues , I may end up selling my WASD to get another 104 in browns or reds. OOOOOOOORRRRRR I try and sell both my boards to get a full sized browns board for work and a TKL reds board for home.

But since I like them both so much at the moment I'm loath to think of taking the money hit just to appease my curiosity for reds.
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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 13:07:34 »
I only got my red board yesterday, but it's exactly what I imagined it to be: a smooth, cleaner feeling brown. That's all there is to it. I would say there was definitely some hype simply because they were rare and harder to find than other switches, but it's not like it turned out to be a bad switch type or anything.

In the end, it's just another type of switch available to try and whether you like it or not is up to you. I have both brown and red boards and I like both, I haven't used the reds enough to say that I like it more than browns, but there's no doubt that I like it. I'll reevaluate my stance on it when I go back to try browns after a couple weeks or so of red use.
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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 13:16:03 »
reds are almost perfect
browns are perfect
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 13:48:57 »
I've had my Poker with reds for a few months and it is my daily keyboard. Red is my personal favorite. I enjoy a light linear switch. I also have other boards with black, brown and blue out of witch blue is second highest use as I also like a switch with a very noticeable sharp snap tactile point for other than gaming. Brown is my least favorite at the moment as I feel it kind of succeeds at nothing. Though it doesn't really fail at anything either it's just meh.
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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 14:06:45 »
Red is my favorite switch, I like the very light linear feel of it. Browns are my second favorite due to being so light and having barely any tactility. I am with the OP in regards to blacks, they are too stiff and fatigue my fingers after long sessions of gaming(which I do frequently).

As for finding a tenkeyless with reds, the pre-order for the Leopolds at EK or CM Storm Quick Fire from PCHome is probably your best.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 14:16:07 »
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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 14:43:04 »
I have my browns right here, and I can say when I first got them, I thought it was going to be far too linear. A day later, and I realize the tactical bump is just enough that you can feel it if you type lightly, but it disappears if you simply bottom out. Personally, I prefer slightly more tacticality, but I can easily see why many call browns their favorite. If you type lightly (or are interested in doing so), I'd say lean towards browns. If you bottom out all the time and WISH to do so, go for reds.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 14:50:46 »
The only con about browns is that they are very boring

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 14:55:29 »
So far the replies are doing a pretty good job of saving me some curiosity money , but it will help me decide what the next one will be, once I see how badly my new neighbor hates the clicky's.

I just wish I didn't work in numbers so much at work so they could be interchangeable. ( i.e. browns at work and reds for home ) I imagine the reds are pretty damn close because like said above I barely feel the tactility in the browns.
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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 15:01:36 »
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The only con about browns is that they are very boring

Boring is good.  It keeps you focused on work and it doesn't become annoying over time.


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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 17:52:29 »
There's not a world of difference to be honest. My personal preference is that I find the reds probably the least-not-worth-it in terms of using a Cherry mechanical once I've adapted my typing for any particular keyboard, but at the same time subbing browns wouldn't exactly be a deal-breaker. I don't really need that tactile effect mid-keystroke.

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 21:21:26 »
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I just want to take a moment to tell you guys how jealous I am of you.  No matter how hard I try I just can't type softly.  When I try I feel like it cuts off around 20 wpm.  Spending so much time on a buckling spring keyboard I want to push my fingers through the circuit board as if my digits were screaming "these go to 11!"

That being said, anything with tactility at this stage is pointless to me.


If you use any board for a couple of months you'll just adapt to it. I used to love buckling springs until my mx browns ruined me. No matter which switch that I try I always just go back to mx browns.

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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 19 October 2011, 21:22:20 »
Brown is slightly better with typing. I am typing this in brown, and when you type lightly, the bump is very noticeable and help me to type faster. With red, the bump is not there, so I tend to bottom out more and therefore type slower.

For game playing, I suppose red is a bit better.
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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 00:44:10 »
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Boring is good.  It keeps you focused on work and it doesn't become annoying over time.

True but sometimes you need to have fun typing

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 01:04:26 »
My experience on reds vs browns:

My first mech keyboard was a Leopold Otaku Tenkeyless browns back in March or whenever Elitekeyboards first got them (after lurking around for several months when I was first made aware of mech keyboards via Starcraft 2).  Very pleased apart from the stabilized keys being very clanky.  I've always tried to lightly press the keys (for typing), so the tactility was definitely noticable.  Then a couple months ago they got full size reds (which I had been more interested in than the browns but they hadn't been available), so I got those and have been using them until today.  The combination of this thread and the availability of tenkeyless reds (otaku tenkeyless really looks great) has caused me to go back to my browns for comparison.

After using reds, the tactility of browns is very dramatic.  It gives a nice sort of rumble when I type, which gives the impression that I'm typing faster and making more progress, similar to the clicks of blues (I don't own blues, but understand the appeal).  Without taking a typing test, I'll go ahead and say I think it's more psychological than anything.  Also, it's probably because I'm coming from reds but the browns seem to be putting some strain on my fingers now (didn't have any problems coming from rubber dome).  I feel like the tactile bump is as jarring as bottoming out (which I rarely do), perhaps even more so because you can bottom out very lightly if you want, while the tactile bump always has a set amount of jarriness that you can't avoid.  Actuation force is supposed to be the same for browns and reds, but getting over the bump on browns feels a bit tougher to me.  So for typing I'd say reds are more comfortable, but not as accurate since you don't have the tactile bump guaranteeing your actuation (unless you're bottoming out).  For typing alone (gaming next paragraph) I'm going back to my reds since a few hours of browns are that tiresome to me now, but if you're comfortable with browns I wouldn't say reds are an upgrade.

For gaming I will absolutely recommend reds because keys that need to be held down (wasd, arrow keys, modifiers, or whatever else) feel wierd with a tactile bump.  I can also spam a key a bit faster (although you may not need to in whatever games you play) on reds; you can't ride the actuation point as well (reliably), but the bump isn't there to slow you down.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 03:00:07 »
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So , now that more people on here have a bit more experience with reds.... New thoughts on this ?

After about a week of living with the Reds, I think I have reached my conclusion. I like the Reds, but they are not perfect. I am a pretty soft typist, so I don't bottom out much even on the red (unless I am going for top speed of course). Reds do feel much lighter to me and the lighter force used make the occasional bottom out sound very soft. The reds are a little too tempting for me to type even lighter on and end up short stroking some keys. If the keys are slightly lighter or the actuation point slightly higher, it would be just right. It would feel like lightly tapping on the table.
I feel the browns are pretty different than the reds. I would be fine with either, but I do miss the tactile bump when on the reds. Unless you just bang the keys to the bottom, red feels kinda vague. You don't know if you've activated the key or not. I do type faster on browns and found it easier to stay in the groove.

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 03:09:51 »
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Unless you just bang the keys to the bottom, red feels kinda vague. You don't know if you've activated the key or not.

This. This was my problem with reds from day one, could just never articulate it. Thank you.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 03:39:42 »
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Unless you just bang the keys to the bottom, red feels kinda vague.

Agreed. I feel I have to bottom out Reds. That's why I like my Reds on the PCB mounted Poker so when I do bottom them out [strike]their[/strike] there is less noise and finger jar than on a plate mounted board. I am just not a good enough typist to get Reds right without bottoming out.
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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 07:37:12 »
It's weird, because on one hand many of you say that you can train your fingers not to bottom out a mechanical, but apparently it's not possible without a tactile feedback that you can barely feel (if that) viz-a-viz the reds when you're up to speed. So which is it?

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 08:06:29 »
They are not mutually exclusive. Not all of us type at 100+ WPM when we're chatting or writing posts on forums, but we can certainly hit that when we're doing typing tests. The speed required to do 100+ WMP do require your fingers to move pretty fast, which does negate some control on how heavy your fingers hit the keys.
Edit: I do bottom out more when I type at top speed on browns and blues as well. It isn't specifically a red thing.

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 20 October 2011, 09:56:58 »
Quote from: laffindude;435177
They are not mutually exclusive. Not all of us type at 100+ WPM when we're chatting or writing posts on forums, but we can certainly hit that when we're doing typing tests. The speed required to do 100+ WMP do require your fingers to move pretty fast, which does negate some control on how heavy your fingers hit the keys.
Edit: I do bottom out more when I type at top speed on browns and blues as well. It isn't specifically a red thing.


I dunno about you but I type equally fast whether I'm typing like this, IMing or doing a report. It's not like I'm going t o  s u d  d  e   n     l      y     s     l      o     w    d    o   w  n  my typing speed to collect my thoughts mid-sentence. I'm going to stop typing.

The more I read this board, the more I get the feeling that many people evaluate the superiority of mechanical keyboards by pressing down on each key really slowly. No wonder buckling-spring has achieved Holy Grail status.