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« Reply #600 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 00:25:49 »
Nice one, Dox!  My eyes started to follow the traces - it wasn't long before I got lost.
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« Reply #601 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 01:14:57 »
Can u buy me a PCB set please :) I can't wait for a final kit!
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« Reply #602 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 03:50:51 »
that's awesome, DOX!
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« Reply #603 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 11:34:53 »
Will the PCBs be available a la carte?
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« Reply #604 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 16:14:49 »
Nom, I'm with dirge on this! Can I buy a PCB? :D
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« Reply #605 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 17:33:26 »
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Wow, that's a good PCB, DOX!

I especially like the profusion of mounting holes. We sholud have no trouble with flex.

Are they one-sided PCB's with a lot of jumpers, or does the red denote traces on the second layer?
Thanks, these are 2 sided. The red traces are on the top layer of the PCB.

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Nice one, Dox!  My eyes started to follow the traces - it wasn't long before I got lost.
Thanks, it's quite hard to follow from the picture, especially with the ground planes.

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Can u buy me a PCB set please :) I can't wait for a final kit!
FYI, the prototype PCBs cost me ~300$ for 2 sets. Prices will be much lower with bigger quantity but I ordered the minimum qty just to test everything.

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that's awesome, DOX!
Thanks! Your firmware highly facilitate the tracing. I don't know if I have followed your intended matrix as I went for the simplest way to trace it with the assigned pins. There will probably be some remapping needed in the firmware. No big deal.

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Will the PCBs be available a la carte?
Yes, when everything will be ready and tested!

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Nom, I'm with dirge on this! Can I buy a PCB? :D
I don't think a lot of people would want to pay 150$ for a set of PCB that are not even tested yet.

I should receive them next monday. Can't wait!
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« Reply #606 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 18:07:26 »
Looking good, DOX!  Good to see all the diode placement options.  I just recently soldered SMD diodes to my KMAC.  It wasn't hard at all.  Just need steady hands.
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« Reply #607 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 21:15:22 »
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Yes, when everything will be ready and tested!

That might interest me.
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« Reply #608 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 21:32:38 »
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Looking good, DOX!  Good to see all the diode placement options.  I just recently soldered SMD diodes to my KMAC.  It wasn't hard at all.  Just need steady hands.
Thanks lister! I decided to put the SMD as it wasn't much more work and it's good to have options. I'll probably go for the trough hole ones on the first prototype as I have a few hundreds of them but I may try the SMD on the final or the second prototype PCB.
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« Reply #609 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 22:17:30 »
SMD diodes are a lot more expensive than through-hole diodes.  And Mouser is cheaper than digikey.  I ordered extra last time.  because I it was only a couple more dollars  to reach the next level of discount.

Hehe, send me a set of PCBs and I can test for SMD diodes placement.  :D  I will pay for it, if you have extra.
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« Reply #610 on: Tue, 22 May 2012, 23:37:40 »
Great stuff Dox! Keep up the amazing work!
Might even  have to bump my order up!

Cheers,
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« Reply #611 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 01:38:37 »
Nice to see pcb-mount switches with pins and diodes supported! Those are the kinds of switches kinesis sells.
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« Reply #612 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 02:03:16 »
Kinesis sells individual switches?
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« Reply #613 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 04:37:53 »
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Kinesis sells individual switches?

I think they sell the keywells and packs of 25 switches or something along those lines, but you have to email them about it as it's not listed anywhere.
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« Reply #614 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 07:58:18 »
Dox I'm loving this, get pics of those boards the moment they arrive!  And I'm sure the boards would have been a bit cheaper if we'd thrown money at you for prototypes ;)
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« Reply #615 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 12:13:24 »
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Dox I'm loving this, get pics of those boards the moment they arrive!  And I'm sure the boards would have been a bit cheaper if we'd thrown money at you for prototypes ;)

Makes sense though, if he overlooked something and it needs manual fixing then you'd think "Damn, paid all that money for something 'broken'". With that said, I'd have paid for one at that price. But yeah, exciting! :D
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« Reply #616 on: Thu, 24 May 2012, 22:25:58 »
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Kinesis sells individual switches?

They sell reds in 15 packs for sure (I got 2 such packs already), for larger quantities it will probably have to be a special order, but they're accomodating.
All their switches are the style for their Kinesis Advantage (with pins for pcb mount, and with built-in diodes), so it would be MX1A-L1DW for their reds, and  MX1A-G1DW for their browns.

Boy is the Cherry Wiki handy
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches+and+boards
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« Reply #617 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 02:31:57 »
sordna, do you know how much they charge for the switches?
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« Reply #618 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:07:28 »
Teaser...
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« Reply #619 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:33:22 »
fascinating!! i don't think i'd be in for the casing, as I can never manage to type properly on split boards, but the boards are too intriguing to not build one up :)
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« Reply #620 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:40:34 »
Are those plated through-holes?
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« Reply #621 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:41:36 »
You have to jump through hoops to not get plated holes when you use kicad.
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« Reply #622 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:39:11 »
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Are those plated through-holes?


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« Reply #623 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:56:52 »
So exciting Dox! Do you plan on posting pictures of you putting it all together?

Cheers,
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« Reply #624 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 14:41:10 »
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sordna, do you know how much they charge for the switches?

Yes, a 15-pack of reds (MX1A-L1DW) goes for $15. So it's a dollar a switch. Kinesis part number for the 15-pack is KC009REP, they mainly sell these packs to people that are converting their Advantage keyboards to the LF version (you would buy a pair of red keywells for $90 I believe, and a 15-pack to swap the thumbswitches). However I bought 2 packs (30 switches for $30) without buying any keywells. They should be able to do a better price for larger quantity of switches, we should ask them how much they would charge for maybe a 90-pack.
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« Reply #625 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 15:12:17 »
yeah, I want these switches for ergo DOX as well as a custom keyboard I will be building that uses PCB mount switches with built in diodes.  But $1 each is too expensive.
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« Reply #626 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 19:38:49 »
Pictures!
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One small problem. I have installed the diodes the same way I have done for the DoxKB but the scanning in inverted in IC07 firmware so nothing registers for the moment. I tested with a jumper and everything seem to work fine otherwise. I'll try to invert the scanning in the firmware as the diodes are a PITA to desolder in the small plated

The TRRS cable works like a charm! A HDMI cable would have been way too bulky.
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« Reply #627 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 20:18:25 »
Interested!  Amazing work!
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« Reply #628 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 22:20:19 »
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Pictures!
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One small problem. I have installed the diodes the same way I have done for the DoxKB but the scanning in inverted in IC07 firmware so nothing registers for the moment. I tested with a jumper and everything seem to work fine otherwise. I'll try to invert the scanning in the firmware as the diodes are a PITA to desolder in the small plated

The TRRS cable works like a charm! A HDMI cable would have been way too bulky.

http://youtu.be/p6RM6YE3EMI?t=25s
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« Reply #629 on: Fri, 25 May 2012, 23:02:54 »
Does it have no soldermask?

Wow, that picture of it loaded up with switches, with the LED's on looks amazing! I want to convert it to ascii-art, type it up on the typewriter (I have no printer at the moment) and put it on the wall!

Now that you have the switches on a board, what do you think about the key placement? How does it feel?
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