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Offline erw

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 27 January 2012, 11:49:49 »
IIRC, Sean Wrona uses it for any number of capitals, including 1, because hitting keys in order is easier than holding one while pressing others, at least at high speed.
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Offline boli

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 27 January 2012, 17:28:36 »
Quote from: erw;500736
IIRC, Sean Wrona uses it for any number of capitals, including 1, because hitting keys in order is easier than holding one while pressing others, at least at high speed.

I thought that was fascinating, and found this at the colemak forum. :)
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Offline sordna

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 27 January 2012, 22:50:11 »
Nice find! I'll copy part of that post here, well, until SOPA/PIPA/ACTA take it down, that is.

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With regard to caps lock vs. shift, I meant exactly what I said there.  When typing capital letters, I virtually always use caps lock, not shift (occasionally there are exceptions).  I infinitely prefer caps lock to shift for a variety of reasons.  I am considerably more accurate with caps lock because when you are holding down the shift key, there are a variety of other things you have to think about that makes typing a capital letter considerably more complicated.  Did I press the key hard enough for it to register?  Did I make sure to release it immediately before typing the next character?  This can be very hard at around 200 wpm (where the vast majority of typos I find are me hitting the space bar one character too early or one character too late).  You have to release the shift key at the exact right moment which at my speed can be very difficult since that would be within a tenth of a second or less, and not making an error there is by no means guaranteed (in fact, I frequently do whenever I have to use shift, i.e. characters such as !@#$%^...)  Furthermore, I don't like shift because it locks my left pinky into place and therefore forces my left hand to be locked into place.  Given my main typing strategy which I detailed above, I like to NOT have a fixed location for either my left or right hand and slightly vary it according to the context of the words.  My left hand is not usually fixed near the shift key when I am typing, so holding down the shift key and locking my left hand into a place I would not normally put it would mess me up.  For these main reasons, I am much more comfortable using caps lock than shift for any capital letters, but obviously I do use shift for the characters I need to.
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Offline erw

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 28 January 2012, 16:38:26 »
Hm, if I wanted to try this, I wonder what would be a good location for caps lock now that I'm using the key to the left of A as control? I need more thumb keys.
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 28 January 2012, 17:05:23 »
I plan to add thumb keys, and will document/share everything of course... Wonder if I should update my "Adding extra keys wiki" or create a separate "Adding extra thumb keys" wiki.
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Offline Icarium

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 28 January 2012, 18:26:10 »
Uh...if this is not rhetorical then I'm in favor of updating.
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Offline Martin227

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 11:15:17 »
Quote from: sordna;500626
i use it for let's say 3 or more capital letters in a row.


But Sordna, with your Kinesis don't you put Shift on a thumb-key?
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Offline sordna

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 11:57:44 »
I only recently assigned Shift to a thumb, when I added more keys to it.
Perhaps my use of Caps Lock will decline in time, we shall see.
Kinesis Contoured Advantage LF with Cherry MX Red switches / Extra keys mod / O-ring dampening mod / Dvorak layout. ErgoDox with buzzer and LED mod.
Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

Offline Zehkul

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Has anyone experiences with the german ”NEO“ layout?
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 14 February 2012, 08:02:17 »
So... any experiences with NEO/DVORAK and typing fast? I'm not talking about lousy 40wpm here, rather about the 100-130 I'm at. Would it take me years to get anywhere near that with NEO?