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Offline elbowglue

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Ducky 1087 XM w/ Green ALPS type switch
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 16 November 2011, 11:40:33 »
Ok got my duckies in:

Ordered on Nov 9th Late at night (almost november 10th) and they attempted delivery on November 14th.   That includes veterens day and a sunday.   That makes the shipping ****ING FAST.  They paid 1650 new taiwan dollars (54 USD) to ship this package (two keyboards) which costed me a total of about $100 USD including shipping! (OMG).  Pchome is definatly losing money on this international shipping promo!

Impressions:  This keyboard is loooud.   Not significantly louder than other clicky white alps.  Build quality is not up to part with filcos, but what do you expect from a ducky... Nothing about the build quality makes the keyboard un-usable.   The plastic thing that goes above the arrow keys and around the insert / delete / home/ end cluster had sorta popped out, but I just popped it back into place.

Key feeling:  Great.  ****ing fabulous.  These are very light compared with say XM's found on the siig minitouch.  I didn't ripometer it but it looks like it's be cheren done before.   There is ZERO off center keypress binding.  I'm not sure I have actually used a fukka alps board but I think this is what they would feel like.  

Roll over:  appears to be pretty much 6kro

Compared with cherry blues?  Click is much louder.  Travel is less (all of this is typical for alps).  Actuation force seems slightly higher.  The tactile point and click is more pronounced. The click is meatier.  This keyboard is much much louder overall.

Does the keyboard Ping?  Bwahaha.  Who cares it's already as loud as a mofo.

Spacebar is a little squeaky, needs a little stabilizer lube.

Oh yeah I got two ducky bonus keys, one in orange and the other in purple.

So far this keyboard is AWESOME.  It's sorta like a cheap version of the Filco Zero Fukka's.  I have not been able to find any transposition issues on this keyboard, although I'm not sure how bad the transposition problem was on the Fukka's either.  Although the reports of it were bad enough to make me not want to get the Filco Zero.

Keycaps:  Lasered; has english lettering and chinese lettering too, looks very similar to the G80-3000 LSCRC-2

Overall:   This keyboard is awesome.  I have to decide if alps are for me or cherry is for me, before clicky alps was always out because of the bigas-ed enter key.
My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
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KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

Offline reaper

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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 16 November 2011, 13:10:56 »
^ lol  Thanks for including your impression here and yeah, the XM is pretty loud so I added some o-rings to soften the landing and the sound a bit.  The panels on my XM were ok but I have another white Ducky 1087 where the panels were a little loose like you described so I pushed them back in and that was it.

Offline digitalleftovers

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 18 December 2011, 02:26:17 »
Quote from: ripster;453458
I'm still amazed that the clone Green ALPS are clicky.

Oh wait, it's ALPS.  

Somebody take one apart and take pics.

I want pics too!  basically, I want to know if its like those things in the alpsulator (because i want a whole board of those for the lulz).  Given what people keep saying about shorter travel than blues, I'm starting to doubt that its quite what I'm looking for.
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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 18 December 2011, 19:35:23 »
It should be ok...  there was still some chattering noise on mine but I tend to bottom out a lot. =(

Offline coffeejunky

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 24 December 2011, 16:56:06 »
Okay, just got some switch pics that might help you guys.

Q. The green ALPs in the Ducky XM are lighter clicky versions of the standard run of the mill WHITE XM switch?
A. Weight is around 55g at a guess, no chance to do a ripometer as I don't have any change laying around but its marginally heavier than browns. They definitely click. Looking at pics of white XMs it seems identical other than a softer spring.

Q. And the White switch on Capslock/Numlock is the normal STIFFER WHITE XM switch?
A. I don't have any experience with White XMs as they've never been a switch I've seen as desirable. The whites on the capslock/numlock are light for the first 3mm of travel to the actuation point, then get very heavy towards the bottom, then very light just before bottoming out. I absolutely hate the whites on this board, they are so mushy.

Quote from: digitalleftovers;473131
I want pics too!  basically, I want to know if its like those things in the alpsulator (because i want a whole board of those for the lulz).  Given what people keep saying about shorter travel than blues, I'm starting to doubt that its quite what I'm looking for.
The actuation point on these is super high, in fact if you press the key and wiggle a little bit you can get it to actuate before the click, this would never happen in normal usage but you can if you really try. Actuation point is much higher than the MX browns I have, and I really like this. The click is what causes the majority of the actuation force though so some people may not like this. It is not a fatiguing keyboard to type on at all, I've typed around 5,000 words today and my fingers are not tired yet.

Without further ado, switch pics!
Not amazing quality but lighting conditions are not ideal and its only a cheap point and shoot.

Stem, spring and leaf -
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Switch mechanism -
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And a pic of the white switch for numlock with LED, I cannot for the life of me open the LED switches, any tips?
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An interesting piece of trivia, if you remove the click leaf the switches feel remarkably like MX browns, almost identical as far as weight, there still feels like there is a tactile bump there (though there shouldn't be), not quite as pronounced as on MX browns though.

If you want to know anything else, let me know and I'll see what I can do.

If anyone wants to know what I think of the board overall, you can find a mini review I did over at the OCN ducky thread.
« Last Edit: Sat, 24 December 2011, 16:58:29 by coffeejunky »

Offline Hak Foo

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 02 January 2012, 18:04:17 »
Cut up a spare ALPS board.  Dell AT101W is dirt cheap and common, but laser etched.  Older Focus boards (2001) have the right caps, except for a big-ass enter.

Some dome boards (i. e. Focus FK-9200) also have ALPS-compatible caps

Topic shift:  Has anyone tried to remap the four key cluster in the top right of a 1008?  I find both KeyTweak and SharpKeys record all four keys
with the same scancode.

Update:  Foobar2000 can access the volume up and down keys for a remap-- check "global" so they behave the same way when it's in the background.  Calculator, still, is a dead end.
« Last Edit: Wed, 11 January 2012, 21:34:51 by Hak Foo »
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Offline royalsego

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 15 January 2012, 17:02:30 »
for a hair over $54 dollars shipped, it's not a bad keyboard, but i will say this, had this been my first mechanical keyboard, it would have put me off buying more

coincidentally, i do enjoy their alps white switch(found on the num lock and caps lock of this board)
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Offline herbyscrub

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 20:59:26 »
I just received my keyboard this morning...ordered from PCHOME last Friday for $55.00 shipped it came extremely quickly.

It feels really good, even compared to my Das Silent (browns).  A couple things though, the keys with the LEDs (CAPS LOCK + NUM LOCK) feel extremely mushy, like membrane keys.  The letters on the keycaps themselves look faded, like a inkjet printing with extremely low ink.  Another thing is when you double tap most keys, it doesn't seem to register right away like the Das did.

Overall though, very happy with this keyboard for $55.00 - I'm going to try a Quickfire Rapid with blues soon.

Video of my typing for curious people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9191WpqpgI

Offline sordna

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 22:31:10 »
There's a better way: put the keyboard on a digital scale, set it to grams, zero the scale, and see at how many grams of pressure it takes to activate the a key that falls at the center of the scale, and how many grams it takes just before bottoming out.
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 14:29:27 »
I just got this keyboard shipped to sweden in under a week, really fast shipping.
I love it, but as other people said it's really loud, so I got soft landing pads from EK installed on the board, and it doesnt make loud noices buttoning out anymore, exept the klicky noise then, but that I love. Too bad I bought a topre realforce 2 weeks ago, this keyboard is way more fun!

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,slpads&pid=sl120_cf

Offline sordna

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 15 March 2012, 14:45:00 »
Good choice going with the gray pads. Do they fit ALPS well? Do they reduce key travel at all?
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 02:44:06 »
Quote from: sordna;546907
Good choice going with the gray pads. Do they fit ALPS well? Do they reduce key travel at all?

They fit pretty well, I have to open up the hole a bit to get it on the switch, but it's not hard at all.
They reduce the keytravel, it feels like the key buttons out right after the click feedback, I personally like it since it makes me write faster.

I'll take pictures when I get home from work.

The only problem I have right now is the spacebar it rattles like hell and I can't get it loose and don't want to use force. I'm scared that I'll brake the keystabilizer.
Is there anyone that has removed the spacebar? Is it safe to use some force?
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 March 2012, 04:25:12 by huttala »

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 11:07:58 »
Quote from: huttala;547574
The only problem I have right now is the spacebar it rattles like hell and I can't get it loose and don't want to use force. I'm scared that I'll brake the keystabilizer.
Is there anyone that has removed the spacebar? Is it safe to use some force?

I have removed mine before, and yes it took some man handling to get free.  Though in general ALPS keys take more force to remove than most from my experience.

The stabiliser bar came up with my space bar when I removed it.  The plastic tabs holding the wire on the keyboard didn't require much effort to put back in place (I was attempting to swap my Dell AT101W spacebar with the one from my Ducky 1087, but they are too different for an easy swap).  After taking mine off and making sure it was correctly put back in place it still rattles pretty bad, so you might just be experiencing the norm.
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:32:31 »
Aight, got a picture of it if someone wants to see how it looks with the softlanding pads applied.


Offline huttala

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:43:37 »
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Nice.

Got any Nickels!  RipOmeter

I live in Sweden, so no I don't.

Offline sordna

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:45:42 »
Quote from: huttala;547925
I live in Sweden, so no I don't.

Try this:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6189&p=540512&viewfull=1#post540512
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 12:57:10 »
I'm sorry but I don't have a digital scale either. And I left my wallet at work so I can't try it with Swedish coins either. :/

Offline huttala

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 16 March 2012, 15:15:27 »
Yeah, bummer.. But i'll try it out when I get some coins tho.

Offline andyhoang

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 00:10:40 »
Thanks for the awesome review.

Offline huttala

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 01:27:08 »
Quote from: ripster;548094
Swedish Krona are in the RipOmeter post.

I don't know why Deskthority.net hates the RipOmeter so.  I give International coin suggestions for all the world's major currencies.  I should do rupees sometime.


I found some coins at home last night, it was a mix of swedish krona and some euros, but I didn't have enough, I had 49.7G coins, so atleast it takes more then that to activate the key. I'll update the post when I get home from work today.

Offline huttala

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« Reply #50 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 09:08:14 »
For science!!
It's 7 swedish 1 krona and one 20 euro cent. Total weight of 54.74G, when I took the 20 cent off and the weight was 49G it didn't activate the switch.



Offline sordna

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« Reply #51 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 11:52:35 »
Nice photos. Ok, this confirms that these XMs are lighter than cherry blues (which take about 60g to overcome the tactile point), as most people (with few exceptions) have been reporting. In fact, they might be even lighter than cherry bowns !  Looks like an awesome switch.
« Last Edit: Sat, 17 March 2012, 11:56:41 by sordna »
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 13:25:13 »
Quote from: ripster;548921
WHEW, that took a while to post, site is so slow.




Hey LOOK!  SAME ****ING NUMBERS WEBWIT!

GRAVITY IS THE ****ING SAME IN TAIWAN AND SWEDEN!


Haha, awesome!

Offline NorrisB

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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 17 March 2012, 14:10:55 »
Mine weighted in at 50 grams (10 nickels)

Offline huttala

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 19 March 2012, 08:14:57 »
I freaking love this keyboard, where can I get other keyboards with switches that has the same feel as these switches? Maybe one that doesn't sound this bad. Love the tactile bump right at the top, it's nothing like cherry switches.

Topre just feels like mushy rubberdomes compared to these switches.

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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 19 March 2012, 20:21:09 »
Quote from: huttala;550455
I freaking love this keyboard, where can I get other keyboards with switches that has the same feel as these switches? Maybe one that doesn't sound this bad. Love the tactile bump right at the top, it's nothing like cherry switches.

Topre just feels like mushy rubberdomes compared to these switches.

Enjoyed these switches so much in my 1087 that I ordered a 1008 to harvest the switches from to put in my Dell AT101W (put the black ALPS into the Ducky which now lives at my parents).  Not the answer you are looking for, but I would agree with you that these switches are fantastic.
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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 20 March 2012, 00:35:02 »
Quote from: dante;551053
Holy hell!  This sounds awesome!  How difficult is this to do? (ie: how much time?)

It was my first soldering experience, so I can't give a good estimate on time but it certainly is fun.  Taking the board apart and putting them back together is simple and straight forward.  De soldering and soldering all those switches is the time consuming part (mostly the De soldering for me).  I could probably do a full switch swap between boards in 3 hours or so at this point, but again I am pretty novice in the soldering department.  This particular mod is a great way to get into soldering and what not as neither of these boards was terribly expensive.

I guess the best way to gauge time would be to calculate the time to swap a sing key: 4 de solders, 4 solders, and multiply that number by ~104 or so.

 Fortunately the Ducky 1008 comes in a 108 key layout so that you don't need to transfer over any of those LED ALPS switches that feel terrible.  I disliked that switch so much on my work 1087 CAPSLOCK that I swapped it with a complicated white ALPS from a fellow GHer.

The result is quite awesome in the end though for this swap.  I like having my 1087 at work as the main driver for code development on my Linux box, but when I need to swap over to the BSD box I like the battleship that is the AT101W as a GUI is rarely involved.
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Offline huttala

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 20 March 2012, 09:27:01 »
Sounds awesome, but how is the black alps compared to these greens?

By looking at the force charts the black switch seems pretty tactile, and the wiki says that it's not clicky, so I'm kinda interested in the Ducky 1087XM with black alps as well, but if they make the same amount of noise that these green switches does its not that interesting.

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 20 March 2012, 10:32:32 »
Quote from: huttala;551392
Sounds awesome, but how is the black alps compared to these greens?

By looking at the force charts the black switch seems pretty tactile, and the wiki says that it's not clicky, so I'm kinda interested in the Ducky 1087XM with black alps as well, but if they make the same amount of noise that these green switches does its not that interesting.

The complicated Black ALPS that come in things like the AT101W are much stiffer than the Ducky Green ALPS in these modern boards.  The Black ALPS are tactile and non-clicky as well (which is quite a bit less noise), but the Ducky Black ALPS are supposed to be linear I guess.

I liked the complicated Black ALPS enough on my Dell, but compared to other switches they just are not as satisfying.
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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 07 April 2012, 02:50:52 »
I want to order this keyboard, but I can't understand the page.  I assume that on the right hand side, where it lists shipping charges, you have to make some kind of selection.  I want to buy it in English, using PayPal.  Some help...  Please!

Found the link for English on their home page.  Ordered the board.  Live in Israel, so the shipping was only $10.00.  Can't believe that I got the board, including shipping, for a total of $43.89.  Already bought another Ducky board (earlier today), from TigerImports; a yellow Shine with browns.  Now I'll have a board to hook up to my Notebook in the bedroom.  When you get older (I'm 64), you have to treat yourself nicely.  I actually have 4 other mechanical boards, including a Filco Camo.  Please don't be jealous, I'm disabled, live alone, and my only fun comes from my electronic gadgets.  Well, I also enjoy watching Philly sports on the Internet.  Go Phillies!!!