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Offline sordna

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« Reply #180 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 10:30:40 »
He got numpad-plus, which when used as Delete/Enter make it hard to press Home/End/PgUp/PgDown without interfering, I just tried it.
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« Reply #181 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 16:12:51 »
Quote from: sordna;505283
He got numpad-plus, which when used as Delete/Enter make it hard to press Home/End/PgUp/PgDown without interfering, I just tried it.

Exactly. I don't use those keys too much so it could be acceptable for now. Edit: except the Ctrl key. :( (Home on default Kinesis. Check out my custom layout in sig for reference)

Update: Somehow pics/attachments don't show up properly here, seems to work in this post.
« Last Edit: Wed, 01 February 2012, 18:21:48 by boli »
Keyboard: Kinesis Ergo Advantage (two LF editions with red Cherry switches, one regular with brown switches)
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« Reply #182 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 16:34:52 »
Are the keys light or dark gray ? They look pretty light but can't tell for sure.
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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 01 February 2012, 16:37:41 »
They are dark gray, but I hoped they'd be darker too. They do match the WASD keycap colors pic quite well.

Updated previous post with new pic.

Also: I already accustomed to the shorter travel and less noise because of o-rings, and I love it! Too bad the 125 pieces set isn't enough for 2 keyboards (136 needed), so I left a few keys without o-rings.

Update:
Weyman from WASD keyboards replied with this:
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Sorry about that. That's pretty frustrating for me too as I totally wrote it there but my employee pulled the order with the description column and didn't look the other column!

I'll have replacements sent out right away and, of course, you can keep the wrong keycaps.

Very good customer service indeed, I'm impressed. :)
« Last Edit: Thu, 02 February 2012, 02:57:57 by boli »
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Keyboard layout: basically Colemak, with some remapping to end up with my custom Kinesis Advantage layout
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« Reply #184 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 16:00:47 »
I've said it before, Weyman is great, a real solid guy. The kind of person you invite with his girlfriend to your house for barbecues every weekend. Heeeyyyy....that's a good idea!

So I'm not surprised by his service, he's the type of person that can't be any other way. :)

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« Reply #185 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 18:17:41 »
Quote from: sordna;504277
You could possibly bring the price down by ordering an existing keycap set, perhaps an 87 key set at $36.99 and the individual missing keys. The 104 set is an especially good deal at $39.99.

Indeed, I just checked out the 3 different sets WASD provides, plus the cost of the extra keys needed:
Moved more complete info to newer post below.
« Last Edit: Mon, 06 February 2012, 13:35:05 by boli »
Keyboard: Kinesis Ergo Advantage (two LF editions with red Cherry switches, one regular with brown switches)
Keyboard layout: basically Colemak, with some remapping to end up with my custom Kinesis Advantage layout
Typing test profiles: typeracer.com / hi-games.net / keybr.com

Offline sordna

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« Reply #186 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 18:40:12 »
Cool, $43.24 sure beats $66.50. Hmm, there's also the numpad (17 keys for $9.99) to consider in the various combinations.
But I do like the 104 + 4 extra keys option, makes it much easier/faster to order, and less chance for errors.

Anyway, based on all this, WASD should offer a Kinesis blank keycap set for around $35 (with num row keys as a compromise for the 4 tall keys, for a full set). I think $35 for a 68 key set would be fair. For sure it shouldn't exceed the 87 key cap set price.
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Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Contoured Model 110, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, KBC Poker (Cherry MX Red), IBM Space Saving keyboard (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #187 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 18:47:56 »
Agreed. :)

I just placed an order for a black engraved Colemak 104 set, and have asked Weyman what font and size they use by default (he's quick: arial 8 pt) so I can match the other keys with my next order - separate orders for tax/customs reason, if it's below ~$68 (including shipping) I won't have to pay tax/customs. The handling fee was almost twice as much as tax with the last order, I'd like to avoid that. :P
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« Reply #188 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 18:48:37 »
Cool.. good to know. Do your counts treat keys with dots/lines (qwerty F and J, numpad 5) separately?
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« Reply #189 on: Thu, 02 February 2012, 19:11:47 »
Ouch, individual lasered keys cost $7, and one needs not just 4, but all 8 side keys (the 1.25 wide ones), plus at least 6 R1 keys for `~, Insert, [{, ]}, End, PageDown, plus 2 R3 keys for 3# and 8*. I guess Home and PageUp might be R4 already. And finally one needs the 4 long thumb keys, of which Delete and Enter possibly can't be ordered because they're rotated by 90 degrees from a normal keyboard.

Quote from: erw;506769
Cool.. good to know. Do your counts treat keys with dots/lines (qwerty F and J, numpad 5) separately?

I counted the 2 lined keys (as I will use them), but not the dotted key (won't be used).
Keyboard: Kinesis Ergo Advantage (two LF editions with red Cherry switches, one regular with brown switches)
Keyboard layout: basically Colemak, with some remapping to end up with my custom Kinesis Advantage layout
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« Reply #190 on: Fri, 03 February 2012, 01:42:45 »
This info about WASD customizing keycaps for Colemak for you should get posted on the Colmak forums  :)
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« Reply #191 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 02:40:55 »
6 FEB 2012, 12:35am-----

Geekhack got hacked, but before it was reloaded, Dox had posted about finding the 4 tall keys in the thumb clusters from Signature Plastics. I know that SP used to make the double shot keys for the Kinesis. So the question is whether they still offer the tall keys single shot or double shot.

Dox, can you post again regarding this? Include whatever info you have if possible.

I'll send off an email to them now to see if I can get the ball rolling (if this is a key cap they currently have).

EDIT----
(this is a quick note I have sent, just to get a response. I'll follow up if I don't here back in 2 days).

Hello,

We are looking for key caps for the Kinesis Advantage. I believe you used to be the manufacturer of these keys when they were 2 shot in the 1990's. I don't know anything else.

We either need the entire keycap set, or at least some of the "Kinesis Advantage" specific key caps (ie: the 4 uppermost keys in the thumb clusters)

If there is any information you have on this, and whether these items are for sale, please contact me.

Thank you,
« Last Edit: Mon, 06 February 2012, 02:49:58 by input nirvana »
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Offline boli

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« Reply #192 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 03:22:28 »
Quote from: input nirvana;507143
Geekhack got hacked, but before it was reloaded, ...

OT forum noob question: where do you get info like this? I looked for official word for the reload last week, and didn't find anything other than some people referring to a "restore from backup" and stuff like that. Nothing in the site announcements either.

Back on topic: IIRC Dox mentioned that SP at some point charged $20 for individual key caps in low volume, which is a bit much, and as we only need 4 per keyboard I dunno if a group buy (of what, 5 people?) would change that.
« Last Edit: Mon, 06 February 2012, 03:25:47 by boli »
Keyboard: Kinesis Ergo Advantage (two LF editions with red Cherry switches, one regular with brown switches)
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« Reply #193 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 09:32:20 »
Probably $20 applies to custom made color/printed keys? But we are talking blanks, no? If they already have blanks at a size taller than R1, we are probably set.
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« Reply #194 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 11:29:27 »
After having used blanks for a few days I noticed it's occasionally quite handy to have legends. While they're not needed for typing it's often nice to confirm at a glance that one's pressing the right key. Because of this I'd like to try engraved keys (I hope they ship soon :)), which do have a (subtle) legend, but still provide a cleaner look than normal legends. That's what I hope anyway, we'll see.

Edit: I just noticed that this week's forum restore (or whatever it was) brought back posts that were lost with last week's restore, however posts made since last week's restore are gone. Great. I did save one post in a text file, you can find it below (hopefully without the mistakes erw pointed out last week).

Quote from: sordna;504277
You could possibly bring the price down by ordering an existing keycap set, perhaps an 87 key set at $36.99 and the individual missing keys. The 104 set is an especially good deal at $39.99.

I checked out the prices with the 37, 87 and 104 key set from WASD, and it's definitely possible to save a few bucks with those if what you need is blank keys.

  • 104 key set: costs $39.99, you'll need just 3 extra keys: 1 extra R1 1x1.25, 1 R1 1x2, 1 NumPadEnter for a total cost of $43.49
  • 87 key set: costs $36.99, you'll need 10 extras: 1 R2, 4 R1, 1 R1 1x1.25, 2 R1 1x2, 2 NumPadEnter for a total cost of $47.74
  • 37 key set: costs $19.99, you'll need 27 extras: 10 R4, 1 R2, 4 R1, 8 R1 1x1.25, 2 R1 1x2, 2 NumPadEnter for a total cost of $49.49
  • 37 key set AND numpad set: together they cost $29.98, you'll need 16 extras: 6 R4, 8 R1 1x1.25, 1 R1 1x2, 1 NumPadEnter for a total cost of $44.23
These sets come with 2 keys with raised lines to mark the home position, which I included in the counts. If you don't like those small bumps you'll need 2 extra R2 keys. BTW the default font is Arial 8 pt, top left alignment (that's their modern layout).

While a basic engraved/edged 104 set costs only $10 more, one would have to get a lot of extra custom keys to complete a Kinesis Advantage set:
  • A 3 and 8 R3 key for the num row
  • The eight 1x1.25 R1 keys on the outer edges of the keyboard
  • Four R1 keys in the bottommost row: `, Insert, [ and ] (I assume the arrows in the 104 set are R1, which would fit well)
  • The four long thumb keys (two of which are usually sideways, so beware when lasering)
  • The End and PageDown thumb keys (I assume the Home and PageUp keys are R4 in the 104 set)
That's 20 custom keys, at $7 each they'd cost a small fortune. This is the point where a customizable Kinesis Advantage set would come in really handy.
US, Dvorak and Colemak are probably good starting points, but due to the easy "remappability" I guess many people have their own custom layout.
I guess this is a lot harder to do than a blank set, but I would definitely buy one (or two) if the price is reasonable.
Personally I ordered a black engraved Colemak 104 set, plus the missing keys as blanks. And I emailed all of this info to WASD.

A less expensive option which wouldn't require WASD to offer a Kinesis Advantage set would be to create a custom layout template for a Kinesis Advantage (which could be adjusted for individual custom layouts) and use the Custom Keyboard Designer to order key caps. When done right one would need only 3 extra custom keys (same as for the 104 set listed above). Cost would be $59.99 for the custom 104 key cap set, plus $21 for the 3 custom keys ($7 each).

If anyone is proficient with Adobe Illustrator or Corel Draw this shouldn't be too much work. Basically all the R1 1x1.25 keys which are normally used for 2x Ctrl, 2x Command/Win, 2x Alt, should be labeled as 7 of the 8 keys on the outer side of a Kinesis Advantage (=, Tab, CapsLock, 2x Shift, ', \ and -). The numpad area could probably be used to place keys like `, Insert, [, ], End, PageDown as well as Delete or Enter (matches numpad 0). The goal is to have the proper profile (R1 to R4) for these keys.
At this point I'm not 100% sure what profile of keys on the numpad or the area to the left of it are. I assume the bottom two rows are R1, then from bottom to top the rows are R2, R3 and the top 2 rows are R4).

BTW I ghetto adapted kps's key cap chart to show WASD keys (gah the forum effed up the pic, original is here):
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« Last Edit: Mon, 06 February 2012, 13:36:44 by boli »
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« Reply #195 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 14:45:53 »
I tried gluing my stem fragment to an R4 with hot glue, just to test it before I considered more extreme glues. It didn't endure being pulled off again, but here's how it looked:

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Not the same slope as the tall modifiers, but pretty close.


I didn't seat it fully because I wanted to be able to get the 3 mm stem piece up, so you can see a bit of the red switch stem below. But even if fully seated, an R4 with stem extension will still leave a small gap between the keycap and the case.

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I like this pic, btw. f/2.8 :-)


Here are my normal modifiers fully seated:

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« Reply #196 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 14:51:11 »
Quote from: boli;507346
After having used blanks for a few days I noticed it's occasionally quite handy to have legends. While they're not needed for typing it's often nice to confirm at a glance that one's pressing the right key.


Is this for some types of keys in particular (letters, symbols) or just all of them?

Quote from: boli;507346
Edit: I just noticed that this week's forum restore (or whatever it was) brought back posts that were lost with last week's restore, however posts made since last week's restore are gone. Great. I did save one post in a text file


Good you had a backup :-)
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« Reply #197 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 16:40:14 »
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Is this for some types of keys in particular (letters, symbols) or just all of them?

On the original Advantage LF the num row (which I moved one position to the left) doesn't have stickers with the proper labels on them, so on that particular board I sometimes catch myself picking the wrong symbol based on the misleading label when typing one of the shifted num row keys - though I can type the right symbol when not looking. :-/

With the letter keys I'm quite used to seeing the QWERTY label when looking, which I don't do when typing a sentence, but it might happen for say a particular keyboard shortcut, possibly unconsciously/automatically. I guess not looking is something to work on/get more used to, as apparently I look more than I thought I did.

The board with blank key caps will probably end up at home eventually and hopefully help with training. :) As an aside ATM that keyboard (a converted Advantage LF with o-rings) is with a work buddy. He's trying it out to compare to the other one without o-rings and brown switches he's been using on and off the last few days/weeks. He digs o-rings, is still unsure about the reds. He was also fiddling around with ControllerMate to be able to give my TE a test run. Who knows, could turn out to become a new member of this subforum. :D Speaking of which, another work buddy (former TypeMatrix user) with a brown TE of his own, and custom Dvorak layout should post around here soon, met him today for o-ring testing on my Advantage. So far o-rings are very well received, his will be the 4th bag ordered. ;)

At work I'd like to try a board with proper, if subtle, legends. Looking forward to it. :)

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Good you had a backup :-)

Aye, even though it was a slightly outdated one, had to redo the fixes. ;)
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« Reply #198 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 16:46:39 »
Ok, I'm back! and my post is gone...

What I said yesterday is that I found a few keys with the high profile of the thumb keys in my SP grab bag.
So, I'm pretty sure that SP can still do them.
Last time I ordered some non stocked keycaps from SP, I had to pay 20$ per keycap (I ordered 4 keycaps). What was for some blank PBT. Price will get lower in a group buy.
I have a Esc, F1, F2, F5, F6, F8, F9, / and Insert.
I was happy when I found those as they will probably be useful for my future ErgoDoxs!
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« Reply #199 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 16:51:58 »
The simple email answer from SP today is that they no longer have the tooling for the Kinesis Contoured line. :(

Someone, (I can't follow up properly at this time) could possibly get the info from Dox and figure out what he's got, if SP has it, and/or where that possibility may stand.

Other choices:
-We can see about removing legends from black and white key cap sets from Kinesis.
-We can find sphericals in other colors.
-We can make the missing keys in a couple months, unless someone else does it sooner.
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« Reply #200 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 16:58:15 »
Quote from: erw;507444
I tried gluing my stem fragment to an R4 with hot glue, just to test it before I considered more extreme glues. It didn't endure being pulled off again, but here's how it looked:

Not the same slope as the tall modifiers, but pretty close.

I didn't seat it fully because I wanted to be able to get the 3 mm stem piece up, so you can see a bit of the red switch stem below. But even if fully seated, an R4 with stem extension will still leave a small gap between the keycap and the case.

I like this pic, btw. f/2.8 :-)

It's out of focus, /qq! ;) Seriously though, nice shallow depth of field effect. :)

The extended R4 looks pretty good, I don't think the small gap would matter, as long as the key feels alright. Did it feel OK?


Quote from: Dox;507530
I found a few keys with the high profile of the thumb keys in my SP grab bag.
So, I'm pretty sure that SP can still do them.
Last time I ordered some non stocked keycaps from SP, I had to pay 20$ per keycap (I ordered 4 keycaps). What was for some blank PBT. Price will get lower in a group buy.
I have a Esc, F1, F2, F5, F6, F8, F9, / and Insert.
I was happy when I found those as they will probably be useful for my future ErgoDoxs!

If they can still do it (with tooling for some other keyboard maybe) I guess it would depend a lot on the price. At 4 keys per board we'd most likely need quite a few participants to achieve a good price? (don't have any experience with group buys yet)

Quote from: input nirvana;507534
The simple email answer from SP today is that they no longer have the tooling for the Kinesis Contoured line. :(

Someone, (I can't follow up properly at this time) could possibly get the info from Dox and figure out what he's got, if SP has it, and/or where that possibility may stand.

Other choices:
-We can see about removing legends from black and white key cap sets from Kinesis.
-We can find sphericals in other colors.
-We can make the missing keys in a couple months, unless someone else does it sooner.

:( Too bad, but maybe they still do similar keys for other boards, it's not like tall F keys Dox mentions could have been produced for a current Advantage. Though I guess those could have been customized with the Kinesis tooling, which would help explain the high cost.

Other than that the options you mention are available for blanks, and the stem extension would probably be required for custom engraved/etched keys.
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« Reply #201 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:14:16 »
Hummm..... I think she is confusing them with the old home row spherical.

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« Reply #202 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:18:36 »
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Hummm..... I think she is confusing them with the old home row spherical.

Who is she? As for home row sphericals I'm not fussed, the replacements feel good. :)

Those keys do look pretty much like what we're looking for.
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« Reply #203 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:23:10 »
Yeah I think that they are the same. I will confirm it when I receive sordna kinesis from the try and forward tour.

I guess that IN answer from SP came from Melissa. (never heard of anyone else there)
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« Reply #204 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:30:45 »
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Yeah I think that they are the same. I will confirm it when I receive sordna kinesis from the try and forward tour.

I guess that IN answer from SP came from Melissa. (never heard of anyone else there)

Hmm, the keys you have don't seem to be any of the ones in the following chart from SP's FAQ.

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« Reply #205 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:35:57 »
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It's out of focus, /qq! ;) Seriously though, nice shallow depth of field effect. :)

The extended R4 looks pretty good, I don't think the small gap would matter, as long as the key feels alright. Did it feel OK?


Thanks :-)

Yeah, it was fine. I wasn't completely relaxed when I was touching it consciously because I knew it was fragile, but I used it for some days without any issues.
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« Reply #206 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:40:12 »
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Hmm, the keys you have don't seem to be any of the ones in the following chart from SP's FAQ.

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DCS row 5. What's what it is.

Edit: I measured the sloping angle and it's 6 deg too.
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Offline boli

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« Reply #207 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:45:27 »
Quote from: Dox;507574
DCS row 5. What's what it is.

Oh, that'd be a standard key then I guess. :) I thought DCS5 was the closest fit, but it didn't seem quite tall enough.

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Quote from: erw;507569
Yeah, it was fine. I wasn't completely relaxed when I was touching it consciously because I knew it was fragile, but I used it for some days without any issues.

Awesome, in that case we have hope for both original-shape blanks by SP (Dox's find) and engraved/etched customs with stem extension from WASD. ^_^
« Last Edit: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:52:36 by boli »
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« Reply #208 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:53:01 »
Does SP have the rows wrong? I thought R4 is the num row, why do they call it row 1 ?
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« Reply #209 on: Mon, 06 February 2012, 17:53:48 »
Quote from: input nirvana;507534
The simple email answer from SP today is that they no longer have the tooling for the Kinesis Contoured line. :(


I'm pretty sure SP auto reply "we don't have the tooling" to every inquiry.

I suspect that the SP DCS series row 5 would be a good match for the thumb modifiers. I don't have measurements, but if their diagrams are to scale this key with a a flush stem (PU) would be pretty much an exact match for the KB120 key.

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-We can find sphericals in other colors.


The SP DSA series would do. Their center height is 295 mils. With SP's flush stem (PU) or slightly recessed stem (4U) they would be nearly an exact match for the KB130 and Advantage series. With the -86mil stem (6U) they'd be close to the KB120 height. With the -45mil stem (HU) they'd be in between. (The difference in height between the KB120 and later sphericals is more than a tenth of an inch.)