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« Reply #150 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 23:44:57 »
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I plan to use 1.5x modifiers from cherry so I need 7x wide stabilizer for the spacebar how about the other 4 keys all 1.5x stabilizers?

Does that sound right?

What are costar stabilizers?

There are no stabilizers for 1.5X keys, only 2X and wider. Cherry (and Costar) stabilizers are the same for 2X (backspace, ISO enter) 2.25X (ANSI enter, ANSI left shift) 2.75X (ANSI and ISO right shift) There are different stabilizer widths for both 7X and 6.25X spacebars. See these images from the key reference wiki
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21762&d=1311287150
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21629&d=1311214560
http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=16275&d=1300727496
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« Reply #151 on: Mon, 07 November 2011, 23:49:09 »
PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.

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« Reply #152 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 02:44:16 »
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PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.


In my pricelist, I've got 2, 4, 6.25, 7 and 10 units. This should be enough!.
Here is the latest list:

PHANTOM..........36
PHANSICLEARKIT....1

37 for now. If we'd order today, we should get 40 at least!

TEENSY...........26
PH7BIT............7
PHANSI...........18
PHANSIWIN.........8
PHISO.............1
PHISOWIN..........4
DIODE..........1490
MXBLACK.........565
MXBLUE...........93
MXBROWN.........153
MXCLEAR.........668
MXDARKBLUE........3
MXGREEN..........14
MXGREY............8
MXRED...........485
STAB200..........32
STAB625...........2
STAB700...........8
CASE..............6
PHANTOMFUN........3
SOLDERING.........4

We are still a bit off with the switches, but this should not stop us.

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« Reply #153 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 04:55:56 »
Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.

And finding french Cherry DS keys is a pain...

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« Reply #154 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 05:35:37 »
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PrinsValium, you are up already!  Good morning.  Hum, I think 7bit needs to change the stabilizer order codes.  We have currently on 2x and 4x stabilizers listed and the spacebar ones.

Early? I've got this stupid PCB design to finish, no time for sleeping... Just kidding, everything is under control =D The cats and my flat mate were having breakfast, and my stomach was growling for food. Probably should have gone back to bed after that..

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« Reply #155 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:44:08 »
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Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.


I actually thought about this yesterday. So I'm definitely interested.
My thoughts also went in the other direction, ANSI left shift with ISO enter. That would also be interesting.

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« Reply #156 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:48:34 »
Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!

So i need 1 7x (Cherry Space Bar) and 4 2x stabilizers (ANSI enter, backspace, ANSI left shift, ANSI right shift)
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« Reply #157 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 10:51:00 »
Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!
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« Reply #158 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:13:56 »
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Got a red keyboard coming in, gonna have to try it before I decide on blue or red switches!

Any due date for ordering yet? I know it's soon but how soon!

So i need 1 7x (Cherry Space Bar) and 4 2x stabilizers (ANSI enter, backspace, ANSI left shift, ANSI right shift)


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« Reply #159 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:26:30 »
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You've got 40 minutes left!
Don't scare me like that 7bit!
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« Reply #160 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 11:35:24 »
You have 127 minutes.  With 7 bits, he can only count up to 127!  LOL!

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« Reply #161 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:10:04 »
I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.

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« Reply #162 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:14:07 »
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I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.
From what I gathered from lister and PrinsValium you need

STAB700 if you're using a cherry corp space bar
STAB625 if you're using a filco/leopold space bar
STAB200 for backspace, ISO enter, ANSI enter, ANSI left shift, ANSI and ISO right shift
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« Reply #163 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:17:09 »
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I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.


Get the 7BIT layout and never ever worry about stabilisers again!

The advantages:
- No stabilisers necessary.
- Key caps can be removed without to fear ripping out the stabilisers.
- All key positions can be covered in the correct size with sphericals, without leaving dangerous gaps between keys!
- You get 99 keys instead of only 86 somethin'.
- You don't have a rediculously large anachronistic space bar, just a modern 1.5 units space bar at the position of your choice!


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« Reply #164 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 14:20:49 »
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I am confused on which STAB I should buy. whats the difference between the 200 and the 700, sorry if i missed where it was differentiated.



Assuming you're getting an ANSI kit:

The 200s should fit the long ANSI keys (backspace, enter, both shifts), so you would need 4.
Depending on what space bar you want to use, you would get either the 700 or the 625. The 700 is the right size for the longer Cherry Corp. spacebars that go with the 1.5 modifiers, and (I think) that the 625 matches up with the spacebars that go along with the modern 1.25 sized modifiers.

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« Reply #165 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:14:43 »
I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.
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« Reply #166 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:17:36 »
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I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.

All of those modifiers exist in 7bit's modifier packs.
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #167 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:56:11 »
Keep the orders coming!  You know you want one!

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« Reply #168 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 19:58:34 »
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Keep the orders coming!  You know you want one!

Give me a realistic estimate, if I were to have someone else put it together for me, of the price of doing a full Phantom. Math is not my strong suite.
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #169 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:06:26 »
I think we have enough order to get it lower than the original forecast of $350-$400.  I hope it will eventually be closer to $200 + labor if you need someone else to put it together for you (without a case).  Contact alaricljs for assembly service: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23632-Phantom-Custom-Keyboard-Assembly-Service

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« Reply #170 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:08:30 »
Hmmm okay; I will have to mull over this whole mega-cost thing for awhile to see if I can trick myself into blowing such a large amount on a kit-keyboard.
I like my Browns more than my Blues.

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« Reply #171 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 20:18:08 »
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All of those modifiers exist in 7bit's modifier packs.

But I don't want super/meta/hyper/uber/etc modifiers!

Ugh, I'm getting a set of sphericals anyway. Might as well go all out, add 10 more switces to my order, change the plate, and add the modifiers to 7bit's GB.

Maybe I'll do it later, If I remember.
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« Reply #172 on: Tue, 08 November 2011, 23:10:10 »
I am defintly interested in 7bits layout but I have a few questions though. First, where would I find keycaps to fit all of the keys. Second, where would I find a case that would actually fit this layout? I know I can program the controller to do what ever i want but is there more in depth info on 7bit's layout?

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« Reply #173 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 07:51:12 »
7bit's layout is just additional keys/switches in the bottom row.  Since the outer edge of that area is unchanged from the original Filco design this will still fit in all the cases the other plates will fit.
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« Reply #174 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 07:52:45 »
What's the deal with the dark blue switches?

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« Reply #175 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 09:06:24 »
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What's the deal with the dark blue switches?
Apparently they're new or something (I brought it up earlier). no-one knows much for sure. (Except maybe Sixty)
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« Reply #176 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 10:55:21 »
Quote from: British;447902
Hmmm, could use a board with short left shift + <> key (from ISO) and long enter key + |\ key (from ANSI), but I suspect there might not be much interest in this.

And finding french Cherry DS keys is a pain...


Should be no problem. Get the ANSI version. In the horizontal direction it should be possible to have the key cutout a wbit wider to make it suitable for both versions of left Shift.

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I almost got the 7bit layout. The only reason I don't like it is hat I don't think it'd be too easy to find keys for it if I don't want those weird modifiers. Super? hyper? meta? Alt? control? there's too many!

Though on the plus side, I'd never be out of easy to reach macro keys.



In every style of Round 4 you will get the keys you need! You can use those sqare, circle etc. keys if you don't like SUPER, HYPER, META etc.

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I am defintly interested in 7bits layout but I have a few questions though. First, where would I find keycaps to fit all of the keys. Second, where would I find a case that would actually fit this layout? I know I can program the controller to do what ever i want but is there more in depth info on 7bit's layout?


Again, Double shot replacements Round 4!

If you need extra keys, just ask!

The case: I will put it on a backplate and maybe cover the sides with wood. It does not require some top-cover, becuase there are only a few gaps between the keys.

On the other hand, if we can get a case for the normal version, you can cut away the section above the cursor T.

The controllers will be programmed such that all keys deliver useful keycodes.




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What's the deal with the dark blue switches?


They did only exist in my fantasy!

There exist dark blue switches, but these are quite ancient and no longer in production.

The dark blue ones ...
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« Reply #177 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:06:30 »
So it sounds like you won't be able to source the dark blue switches, right?

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« Reply #178 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 18:56:57 »
No, there will not be dark blue switches for spacebar switches.  Others colors should be available.

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« Reply #179 on: Wed, 09 November 2011, 20:39:49 »
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In every style of Round 4 you will get the keys you need! You can use those sqare, circle etc. keys if you don't like SUPER, HYPER, META etc.
I thought the tenkeyless kit didn't come with any? I notice the standard one does, though.

Just in case, I added some spherical keys, and changed my order to a 7bit layout. I'm planning on setting it on an acrylic base, maybe with LED's. I don't think there'll be a top cover, as I rather like the look without, and there won't be much space to cover at all.

Heh, maybe I'll forgo the arrow keys, and add a ten-key to the side, there's enough space for one, and I can always use numlock to really use the arrow keys if I need.
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