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« Reply #90 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 19:29:16 »
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Yes, thats me. Mr. Grumpy. Sorry, I am not in a good mood tonight.

That's no good, when you're in a better mood we can discuss more :)
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« Reply #91 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 20:10:45 »
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Yes, thats me. Mr. Grumpy. Sorry, I am not in a good mood tonight.
That's unfortunate. Maybe you should go to bed before your day gets any worse? (sorry, it was a good quote I've been meaning to use.) In any case, I'd relax with a bear, and read a few chapters in my book, then re-examine the issue.

Firstly: I don't see anything wrong with charging a flat rate per key. It keeps things simple. Were I interested in poker-suit keycaps, I'd probably be happy getting some. Still, I think there are better ways:

1. get shipping figured out ahead of time, and include in pricing.
2. have the individual keycap cost from SP figured out, and make that the cost per additional
3. Have the expensive shipping an "upgrade" option.

Here's an example:
$6.00 for one keycap
$1.00 for each additional keycap
+$5.00 Shipping upgrade
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That way it's easy to figure out costs/pricing.

One thing you can also do is add $1.00 handling fee for your time buying, setting it up, sorting, etc. This would be included in the "$x.xx for the first keycap" cost.
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Anyway, I've not yet run a GB, but this strikes me as a logical way to go. Even if there are slightly different pricing on the different suits, I like having it all one price, with it all averaging out, or being absorbed in the handling fee. I think this makes it easier for you to keep track of (for example, if the unit cost per keycap is $.25 for hearts, and $.30 for all the rest, then just say each additional key is $.28 or something.)

Anyway, I hope your day tomorrow goes better! I'm sad when other GH'ers are grumpy.


edit: bears are quite relaxing indeed, but I'd rather have a good read over a good beer.

They tell me that bears beats battlestar galactica ,though.
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« Reply #92 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 20:20:00 »
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In any case, I'd relax with a bear, and read a few chapters in my book, then re-examine the issue.


Tsangan and I find bears very relaxing too :drum:
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« Reply #93 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 20:24:31 »
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That's unfortunate. Maybe you should go to bed before your day gets any worse? (sorry, it was a good quote I've been meaning to use.) In any case, I'd relax with a bear, and read a few chapters in my book, then re-examine the issue.

I'd love to see that.:rofl:

Seriously though, dorkvader's suggestion is pretty good. Take a break and have a look at this problem another day.

That being said, if the $5.50 prices remain, I gotta pull out of this one. Perhaps other GB organizers could help lysol out with more advice?
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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 20:47:45 »
I've only just run my first one. But I would say that If you spend a good hour making a nice spreadsheet for this to keep track of people's info and orders, it will mean you won't have to individually calculate the prices of each order. I have one and would share it if Lysol wants it (it's somewhat of a mess tho). Basically once its set up. Just put in the user's data and order and you're done.

By calculating the prices before hand we avoid his point of having to do refunds. I'd assume that would be quite a time consuming process.

The main thing left is the shipping prices. If the problem is just because packages vary in prices. I'd go for flat rate shipping rates or calculate a "maximum" value that it would cost to ship to certain regions (split maybe Local/International). It will need some time obviously if he wants to do shipping rates for different destinations, but if he uses a good estimated value to "balance out" shipping it will still work.

Lysol don't be grumpy. I ruff you rong time too = 3.

tl;dr: Spreadsheets may be able to help out.
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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 22:12:26 »
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tl;dr: Spreadsheets may be able to help out.

Spreadsheets and Bears FTW!
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« Reply #96 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 22:34:28 »
As long as you don't end up like this guy.

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« Reply #97 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 22:47:30 »
Just so you guys are aware, They were $5 ea last time, and that was actual cost due to legend art, mold, keys, envelope, shipping. I only dropped the price at the end so I didn't have a bunch of them sitting around. This is mostly where I lost some money. I also didn't mean to make it sound like I would be purposely overcharging then refunding. That is far from the case, and I understand what started the comments now after I re-read some stuff here...
So to break it down, it's $35x4 /100 =$1 per key for the new legend molds so many of you wanted, $2 for the key, a minimum of $1.88 for shipping, plus the cost of a bubble envelope. Hey thats the correct price per key. I know what I am doing maybe?
So, then $5.50 for first key, then how about $4 for each additional key, that way I should still be able keep the shipping from being more than what you paid. I feel this is reasonable, and likely as good as it's going to get unless we can hit serious volume prices from SP.

Sorry for being all cranky before, it is cold and I was hungry and bears with spreadsheets were after me, and Whitney is dead!
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« Reply #98 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 22:51:07 »
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Whitney is dead!

Such a sad world sometimes... =(
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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 23:03:56 »
With the other custom key group buys, it seems that there is a clear indication of what the price of the keys is with the legend fees.  Shipping should be separate from the cost of the key, honestly.  There are some estimations of cost to different regions in some of the other group buys.

It's actually fairly easy to calculate  shipping costs to different locations based on weight at USPS's website.  You could even just take pre-payment for the keys and then charge shipping at the time you ship.  No money at all is lost that way.  Stuff within CONUS should all be a flat rate with a bubble mailer or priority.
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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 11 February 2012, 23:21:23 »
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You could even just take pre-payment for the keys and then charge shipping at the time you ship.

From my **very** limited experience this seems to be a fairly common way of going about things and seems to keep everyone moderately happy.

If someone pays for the keys and then doesn't come through with the shipping costs then, in my opinion, after a reasonable period (3 months? 6 months?) you get to consider the keys as defaulting back to you and can either keep them or auction them off on GH or whatever seems right.

I don't think you should be shy of rounding things up a bit and getting a little bit of rounding error as your reward for your time being the organiser of the GB. I very much doubt you could ever make what your hours are worth at work and only the most childish of people really think people should work for free (or lose money as you seemed to have before).

If you are really squeamish about keeping the rounding-up errors then donate it to iMav for site upkeep or a charity of your choice or buy your partner or kid or whoever a little present to compensate for the time you spend on this you could have spent with them.

Extra key caps are total luxury items for those with spare cash and I am confident that most of us are very happy to pay a bit over the minimum to those who enable our habits in this regard.

Don't burn yourself out being so fair to others that you are unfair on yourself.

Anyway, peace and love and heaps of kudos for be a Group Buy organiser lysol
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« Reply #101 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 21:18:43 »
It looks like we are going to make it to the next price tier since we are pushing 50 per style, I need to doublecheck with SP and make sure I have the right pricing. No payments accept until I know for certain.

I've also pushed the order end date out a couple more days, so I have time to make sure everything is in order.
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« Reply #102 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 23:59:38 »
I would like to take 2 of each Poker key cap. Thanks a lot!
 
Spade x2
Diamond x2
Heart x2
Club x2
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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 00:05:44 »
Are we going back to the black/red color way or sticking with the Poker colors?
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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 10:34:51 »
Just realized that I didn't put my order down:

spade - 1
heart - 1
diamond -1
club - 1

Not sure if I'm suppose to send a PM to accompany this. Seems like you're just counting through the posts and PMs will come later when it's time to pay?
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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 10:41:06 »
Put me down

Spade - 2
Heart - 2
Diamond - 2
Club - 2

I'll trust you on your numbers. It's not very transparent. But I feel if you've made additional keys cost less than the first one + shipping, then we're at least alright. The thing was Ordering more than a couple felt like I was being overcharged on shipping. Plus if we're breaking a price break, The price doesn't make me feel bad for my wallet. Hitting 50 is big...almost 50% discount on the keys themselves (obv excluding shipping + legending fee). I reckon we can hit 75.
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« Reply #106 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 14:35:45 »
New pricing will be $4.00 first key, $2.75 per additional key due to volume discount.
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« Reply #107 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 14:46:04 »
Quote from: lysol;513389
New pricing will be $4.00 first key, $2.75 per additional key due to volume discount.

Beautiful.
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« Reply #108 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 14:47:29 »
Doubling my initial order...it is now
Diamond - 4 (up from 2)
Club - 4 (up from 2)
Heart - 4 (up from 2)
Spade - 4 (up from 2)

(I will delete/edit out the earlier post)
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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 16:13:07 »
I'm sorry but I'm still not clear on what colors the legends will be since it was discussed at one point but I don't see a  final decision mentioned in the thread.

Red/Black only or Poker coordinated?
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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 16:26:22 »
Sorry, I missed your question... Classic red and black on off white/light beige seems to be more wanted.
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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 17:11:40 »
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New pricing will be $4.00 first key, $2.75 per additional key due to volume discount.

Nice!  Count me in for one of each.
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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 17:14:23 »
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Sorry, I missed your question... Classic red and black on off white/light beige seems to be more wanted.

Exactly what I want <3
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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 17:21:17 »
Put me in for 2 of each please

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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 18:48:33 »
I'm in for 2 of each! Thanks. :)
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« Reply #115 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 20:14:07 »
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New pricing will be $4.00 first key, $2.75 per additional key due to volume discount.
Yep, I'm definitely in now, I just need to run some numbers to see how many. This is going no be a good groupbuy I can tell.
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« Reply #116 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 20:16:34 »
Wow looks like we passed the minimum order quantity of 25 per key by quite a large margin (nearly double). Looks like prices are still the same though, so what quantity tier do we have to reach for it to be cheaper per key?

EDIT: oops, I didn't even noticed we already hit the next quantity tier so price already dropped :D
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« Reply #117 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 20:39:18 »
If we hit the next price tier I may get even more = 3
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« Reply #118 on: Mon, 13 February 2012, 20:51:27 »
Put me down for 1 of each. Thanks
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« Reply #119 on: Tue, 14 February 2012, 21:17:21 »
1 of each. Thanks !!!
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