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« Reply #150 on: Tue, 10 January 2012, 11:33:17 »
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Unfortunately it has to be a centerline for the font (i.e. Single thickness for the font). This means we won't get as much detail (and I have to "redraw" them).


Do we know why your original approach won't work?

cycloverid's moogle legends have two different cutter widths.
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« Reply #151 on: Tue, 10 January 2012, 15:38:33 »
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Do we know why your original approach won't work?

cycloverid's moogle legends have two different cutter widths.

Does it? Is it 2 widths on the same key? Because in my mind that seems very complex.

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« Reply #152 on: Tue, 10 January 2012, 22:25:25 »
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Does it? Is it 2 widths on the same key? Because in my mind that seems very complex.


Yup, 2 widths on the same key, connected even.  Check out the cross on the Ts and Fs on cycloverid's moogle kit.

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« Reply #153 on: Tue, 10 January 2012, 23:39:31 »
Well awesome then! I don't know why I can't work this stuff out with Melissa very easily...
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« Reply #154 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 07:57:46 »
Can you ask how centerlines for multiple widths work. By that i mean like = how do i indicate which line is what width and i also need to know what widths they have available (I'd like to know so I can render samples of how they would look).
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« Reply #155 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 19:23:03 »
Keep up the good work mate, I am so excited about this I can't sleep. It's really fun following your progress!
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« Reply #156 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 20:10:49 »
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Keep up the good work mate, I am so excited about this I can't sleep. It's really fun following your progress!
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This might take a while, but we're moving that way.



Does cloverid/anyone have the moogle SVGs? I'd like to see them and maybe reuse parts of it if possible...

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« Reply #157 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 21:44:28 »
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This might take a while, but we're moving that way.

Does cloverid/anyone have the moogle SVGs? I'd like to see them and maybe reuse parts of it if possible...

I can hook you up with the ones from my RGBY group buy (Esc, Ctrl, Alt, and Shift).  They are quite a bit better than the ones used in the R2 moogle buy.  I'm not sure if cycloverid has also tweaked Win and Caps Lock.  PM me your email address.
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« Reply #158 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 08:44:55 »
Alright I got the SVGs for RGBY. I know how i'll be designing the new files. I just need to know cutter widths available, once Jesuswasazombie gets a reply from Melissa.

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« Reply #159 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 14:05:25 »
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Alright I got the SVGs for RGBY. I know how i'll be designing the new files. I just need to know cutter widths available, once Jesuswasazombie gets a reply from Melissa.

BACK TO WRITING UP COURSEWORK!

So apparently Cycloverid got some kind of exception and Melissa said that it is too costly for them to use multiple widths...

As for the size of a single cutter 0.012-0.030


Maybe we should go in a different direction than SP... but who else makes custom doubleshots?
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« Reply #160 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 14:20:20 »
Maybe Fentek?
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« Reply #161 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 14:44:38 »
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Maybe Fentek?

I have found out everyone (inc Fentek) get their keycaps done by SP.

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So apparently Cycloverid got some kind of exception and Melissa said that it is too costly for them to use multiple widths...

As for the size of a single cutter 0.012-0.030


Maybe we should go in a different direction than SP... but who else makes custom doubleshots?

I would suggest dyesub, cept the color scheme is dolch...= /

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« Reply #162 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 14:52:17 »
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I would suggest dyesub, cept the color scheme is dolch...= /

I don't think you can put white ink on dark grey and have the white ink show up correctly.

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« Reply #163 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 15:12:25 »
Dolch double shot otakus!
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« Reply #164 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 15:48:52 »
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Dolch double shot otakus!

So blanks? with imaginary legends?

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« Reply #165 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 16:23:36 »
Yeah or just print out the SVGs and glue them to the keycaps...

In all seriousness I'm not sure how to proceed.

current Pros & (Cons)

Cool replica Dolch key caps (Pricey for custom legends)
Cherry Legends (albeit somewhat inaccurately thick or thin lines)
Double shots (thin key caps)
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« Reply #166 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 16:49:25 »
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Yeah or just print out the SVGs and glue them to the keycaps...

In all seriousness I'm not sure how to proceed.

current Pros & (Cons)

Cool replica Dolch key caps (Pricey for custom legends)
Cherry Legends (albeit somewhat inaccurately thick or thin lines)
Double shots (thin key caps)

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« Reply #167 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 16:54:04 »
OP really? After all this time, this is the conclusion you came up with?

We knew ALL those things before hazeluff started working on those SVGs
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« Reply #168 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 17:05:46 »
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OP really? After all this time, this is the conclusion you came up with?

We knew ALL those things before hazeluff started working on those SVGs

Not all of it. = / but lets see.

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« Reply #169 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 17:49:37 »
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OP really? After all this time, this is the conclusion you came up with?

We knew ALL those things before hazeluff started working on those SVGs

O RLY?

So you knew that SP had made keycaps with multiple cutter lengths before but wouldn't now that I wanted to do a whole board instead of just a moogle kit?

That list was just to summarize and quite frankly I'm considering the single width cherry legend a deal breaker (unless it looks good and people like it enough to buy it). However I don't want to pressure hazeluff into having to make more SVGs while he's trying to do coursework (and thank you so much Hazeluff for all the work you have put into this!). Which is why I wrote that list to garner interest and find the direction which the people (who want these caps and are willing to pay) interested want to go.


EDIT: Not all of us have a lot of money to throw around and these will most likely be somewhat expensive so the quality and thus demand rule how I am going to proceed with this project.
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« Reply #170 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:00:17 »
So what I said 8 pages ago

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It will be VERY expensive, people would be better off just buying a legit set then getting a moogle kit :P
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« Reply #171 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:07:18 »
So we shouldn't bother? How awesome would it be if everyone could use the original 80s cherry font in all of their GBs?

To me its worth trying to do at least...
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« Reply #172 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:19:17 »
I don't think it would be worth the cost unless we could source the real font
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« Reply #173 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:21:21 »
Either petition Sixty and plan some sort of espionage

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« Reply #174 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:25:21 »
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O RLY?

So you knew that SP had made keycaps with multiple cutter lengths before but wouldn't now that I wanted to do a whole board instead of just a moogle kit?

That list was just to summarize and quite frankly I'm considering the single width cherry legend a deal breaker (unless it looks good and people like it enough to buy it). However I don't want to pressure hazeluff into having to make more SVGs while he's trying to do coursework (and thank you so much Hazeluff for all the work you have put into this!). Which is why I wrote that list to garner interest and find the direction which the people (who want these caps and are willing to pay) interested want to go.


EDIT: Not all of us have a lot of money to throw around and these will most likely be somewhat expensive so the quality and thus demand rule how I am going to proceed with this project.

Courseworks fine, it comes and go. I'm free after monday.

Anyway. I personally think we should just go for the pre-existing fonts on dolch color keycaps. It'll keep cost down and should attract the bunch of people who can't afford $100 sets. If we go with a decision to make new SVGs for single width, I'd be happy to do it. BUT I don't recommend it, since you won't get much difference to fonts that SP already have. The Cherry font really required at least 2 widths to do.

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« Reply #175 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:36:55 »
I'll have to wait till Monday to get an estimate.
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« Reply #176 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 19:43:01 »
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Dolch double shot otakus!

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So blanks? with imaginary legends?
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« Reply #177 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 19:47:26 »
Only the smartest people can notice the existence of double-shot otaku keycaps.  They are called "Do'htaku".

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« Reply #178 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 20:39:32 »
I like the idea of black on black (same exact plastic preferably).

Will look so awesome.

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« Reply #179 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 22:55:08 »
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If we go with a decision to make new SVGs for single width, I'd be happy to do it. BUT I don't recommend it, since you won't get much difference to fonts that SP already have. The Cherry font really required at least 2 widths to do.


The finished keys from my group buy should provide a decent test for whether it's worth proceeding without multiple widths, though I won't have any from the main alphanum cluster where it might be more noticeable.  My Esc prototype has a single-width E, and looks really good.

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