Author Topic: Interest Check: Dolch key caps group buy (Read 17208 times)

lightsout714 · « **Reply #330 on:** Tue, 06 March 2012, 12:30:35 »

Quote from: mkawa;536942

there's a huge backlog of GBs right now. cream cheese is coming up next, and then at least one of the round 4 GBs will need to run its course, etc... it's probably best to put this one the backburner.

I don't really include RD.4 in this. Its kind of its own thing and looks like it will probably never happen. We'll see though.

hashbaz · « **Reply #331 on:** Tue, 06 March 2012, 13:11:30 »

Yeah, like I said we'd need to coordinate with the other full set buys. It's probably best to keep this on ice until group buy madness settles down.

JesuswasaZombie · « **Reply #332 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 01:57:58 »

If we replicate the Cherry legends well enough then it would be so worth the cost. But yeah, no hurry until we have a bit of a lull in the GBs and a definite guarantee on quality legends.

Wait... If we do the legends why shouldn't we do a massive GB with Cherry White/ Beige, Cherry Black and Cherry Dolch? (R5???)

mkawa · « **Reply #333 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 02:29:24 »

1) unless someone fronts a lot of money, you wouldn't get enough volume to keep costs low.

2) i don't think SP is going to be able to produce the legend molds you want, regardless of cost.

3) that many new complex legends is going to be a huge pain in the ass to proof, to mention working out kerning and other spacing issues. assume you're going to need to run every legend at least twice through their CNC and then on top of that the modifiers will need to be proofed at least once

hashbaz · « **Reply #334 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 02:31:16 »

Kerning won't be an issue with custom SVGs. After my moogle buy we should have all the modifiers done. It's a start.

mkawa · « **Reply #335 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 02:32:33 »

oh that's a good point. there will be spacing issues though.

hashbaz · « **Reply #336 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 02:36:26 »

Quote from: mkawa;537586

oh that's a good point. there will be spacing issues though.

Yup. I'm working on the new legends for the moogle buy now, and I got exact figures from Melissa about the legendable area of their keys vs. the total size of the key tops. In theory it will allow me to be very precise. I'm going to do a prototype Enter key as a test. Once we get the spacing down for one key in each cluster, the rest will come for free. F1-F12, the nav cluster, the letters, etc.

litster · « **Reply #337 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 03:23:43 »

How about this? This community really need a new set of legends that is as close to Cherry as possible, for this group buy and for future group buys. Since we have a number of group buys in motion now or will be very soon, would people be willing to start contributing to a GH/DT legend fund for every group buy moving forward? $0.50 a moogle kit here, $1.00 a full set there. A few group buys later we will have enough fund to create new legends that can be used for any keycaps we want to make in the future. We already have a few of them from moogle kit group buys so we don't really have to make them all.

Obviously group buy organizers will need to agree to this and someone trustworthy will need to manage the legend fund pool.

Thoughts?

hashbaz · « **Reply #338 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 03:28:29 »

I like it.

agor · « **Reply #339 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 03:31:13 »

This is a great idea in my opionion.
Sad this would never happen for a German layout though.

litster · « **Reply #340 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 03:36:14 »

Cost for less demanding sets or add-on sets will cost more due to low volume. If this is successful, we could keep the fund pool going to get legends created for keys in low volume sets. You still will need enough people to order for that set though.

hazeluff · « **Reply #341 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 04:28:22 »

Quote from: litster;537598

How about this? This community really need a new set of legends that is as close to Cherry as possible, for this group buy and for future group buys. Since we have a number of group buys in motion now or will be very soon, would people be willing to start contributing to a GH/DT legend fund for every group buy moving forward? $0.50 a moogle kit here, $1.00 a full set there. A few group buys later we will have enough fund to create new legends that can be used for any keycaps we want to make in the future. We already have a few of them from moogle kit group buys so we don't really have to make them all.

Obviously group buy organizers will need to agree to this and someone trustworthy will need to manage the legend fund pool.

Thoughts?

I support this motion!

biochem · « **Reply #342 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 07:38:48 »

Quote from: litster;537598

How about this? This community really need a new set of legends that is as close to Cherry as possible, for this group buy and for future group buys. Since we have a number of group buys in motion now or will be very soon, would people be willing to start contributing to a GH/DT legend fund for every group buy moving forward? $0.50 a moogle kit here, $1.00 a full set there. A few group buys later we will have enough fund to create new legends that can be used for any keycaps we want to make in the future. We already have a few of them from moogle kit group buys so we don't really have to make them all. Obviously group buy organizers will need to agree to this and someone trustworthy will need to manage the legend fund pool. Thoughts?

I like this proposal!

litster · « **Reply #343 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 11:23:10 »

If people think this is a good idea. We will need a few things.

- the total cost to get legends made for the remaining keys that we don't have legends for.
- Need agreement from current GB organizers to add this to their cost, and send collected funds to the legend fund manager who will be the fund escrow.
- New GB organizers will need to be reminded about this effort and to support this
- Once we have enough fund, start a group buy that will use these new legends and get the legends made!
- Everyone is happy!

tsangan · « **Reply #344 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 11:27:56 »

Quote from: litster;537868

If people think this is a good idea. We will need a few things.

- the total cost to get legends made for the remaining keys that we don't have legends for.
- Need agreement from current GB organizers to add this to their cost, and send collected funds to the legend fund manager who will be the fund escrow.
- New GB organizers will need to be reminded about this effort and to support this
- Once we have enough fund, start a group buy that will use these new legends and get the legends made!
- Everyone is happy!

I like

We could probably raise this money really fast

alaricljs · « **Reply #345 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 11:42:45 »

Quote from: biochem;537676

I like this proposal!

I'd like to start by saying: Thank you for freaking me out with your sig. That subtle shade of blue had me rather concerned about the state of my monitor.

And onto the topic at hand...

Can I also recommend setting it up so that people can donate to this fund such that those who don't want to buy caps without this new font can step up to the plate as well.

litster · « **Reply #346 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 11:44:28 »

Quote from: alaricljs;537886

And onto the topic at hand...

Can I also recommend setting it up such that people can donate to this fund such that those who don't want to buy caps without this new font can step up to the plate as well.

Most definitely! We are not going to stop people from contributing to the cause!

tsangan · « **Reply #347 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 11:47:53 »

Quote from: ripster;537888

I'd just reuse the OTD Korean dude's legends.

They just kept hammering on Melissa until it was done right.

This is why American Engineering is in such a decline btw. Accepting mediocrity like bad kerning.

You still have to pay for the legend fees

mkawa · « **Reply #348 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:34:44 »

how much will legend fees be, 300 or so?

tsangan · « **Reply #349 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:37:37 »

Quote from: mkawa;537934

how much will legend fees be, 300 or so?

Lowest it will be is $10 per legend, and that's the lowest. So we need basically everything besides the modifiers so rough count of 68 legends for a tenkeyless

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #350 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:54:55 »

If we got the permission from this 'Korean dude' to reuse their molds, SP shouldn't charge fees again for molds made already. They box molds for at least awhile in case another order might be made with them. I know they still had my original Poker molds from months ago when I was preparing round2. If we would have used them again, there wouldn't have been any other fees involved.

tsangan · « **Reply #351 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 12:59:20 »

Quote from: lysol;537948

If we got the permission from this 'Korean dude' to reuse their molds, SP shouldn't charge fees again for molds made already. They box molds for at least awhile in case another order might be made with them. I know they still had my original Poker molds from months ago when I was preparing round2. If we would have used them again, there wouldn't have been any other fees involved.

We don't have permission, I asked

mkawa · « **Reply #352 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:11:14 »

it sounds like we can assume about a thousand in legend fees + proofing costs. anyone want to revisit my idea of stocking and making marginal profit on geekhack keys?

Nighted · « **Reply #353 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:34:01 »

Set up a sticky thread and have the total amount at the top. Then allow GH members to pledge an amount, say $5-10 to start.

Show who is pledging and what amount with some kind of chart to monitor progress.

When enough pledges have been made to reach the goal, start sending out PMs/invoices to collect the full amount instead of accruing it over time.

With the first full set produced, have a certificate with all contributors and a one time mod kit or special key added in.

tsangan · « **Reply #354 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:42:09 »

Kickstarter!

sth · « **Reply #355 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:48:39 »

Quote from: tsangan;537992

Kickstarter!

Yes. A MILLION TIMES yes. Just think... GB via kickstarter would solve so many problems / relieve so many GB-related headaches...

mkawa · « **Reply #356 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:49:36 »

kickstart is supposed to be for creative works, and not consumer products... i'm not crazy about using them for these sorts of things

unlike most creative works, we have a perfectly reasonable revenue source to fund this. i like tsangan's original idea, just piggyback the fees on some gbs

tsangan · « **Reply #357 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:50:41 »

I saw just saying this is what kickstarter is lol

I'm not saying to use it

JesuswasaZombie · « **Reply #358 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:51:22 »

Wait Tsangan, did you ask Melissa or OTD? Why wouldn't they give SP permission for us to use it???

sth · « **Reply #359 on:** Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:51:39 »

I'd think that limited edition keycap sets could sneak in as creative works.

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Author Topic: Interest Check: Dolch key caps group buy (Read 17208 times)