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« on: Wed, 30 November 2011, 15:58:36 »
Reply #2  Gettonnit!    (updated: 9.27.12)

I will be posting extras, preproduction keys, Factory 2nds, and various special sales here in a few different ways. Some will be in a first come first serve format, some by priority/tally, and some by invite. These keys will usually be different and may be a good bit less common than the keys offered normally (e.g. Elitekeyboards).

Please pay close attention to the General instructions in reply #1  AND  the specific sale instructions in reply #2.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 15:32:46 »
(updated: 7.27.12)
Instructions for ordering-

1)  No Pre-orders available unless otherwise stated. Take note if you are even eligible for the sale you are interested in.

2)  Because of their relatively limited nature I will be offering only a certain limited number of keys per person and they usually have to be of different keys. I think this is a fair idea.

3) Your order should be in the following format (DO NOT SEND A PM)
   A) Email me with your geekhack screen name and the sale name on your subject line.
   B) In the email list the items you're interested in and list them by their item refernce/code. This could be a letter, number, and/or name (whichever is listed first).
   C) Wait for me to send you a quote with payment instructions. Your order is good for 24hrs after I send my quote, good excuses will work though (e.g., my dog ate my payment).

4)  Paypal only, and please send as goods only.  (sexual favors will no longer be accepted)
Please provide your screen name, order, and shipping address in the payment notes section. This is extreeeeemely helpful.  =)

5)  Shipping is by way of USPS, expect $5 for Domestic (first class w/delivery confirmation), International expect $7 (only first class).

6) Don't try and screw me over , I am just one person doing my best and these are all very labor intensive and time consuming. Please don't try and stress me out because you like the idea(s) of a dishonest freebie or cheating the system. I will not only Black List you if I think you're shady, but I will send my legion of well fed pigeons and seagulls after you! Umbrellas and roofs will stop nothing!

7) Please reread and follow the instructions in this post as well as the next one (reply#2). Thank you and MTFBWY!

More keys to come very soon
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 17:02:10 »
No sales currently active in 4Grabs

The most recent sale was the Hack Orange #2 sale (5.18.13).
Archive of sale can be viewed in reply #4


This is the post (reply#2) where all 4Grabs sales take place.

Stay tuned! ;)
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 17:58:15 »
Older 4Grabs posts v   New Posts ^

Hit the 20,000 character limit for this post. Archive continued in next post (reply #4).

ENDED!


Factory 2nds sale #2  ENDED! (5.10.13)

Only 4 of these special F2 packs will be sold in this sale.



Very similar to the ones pictured above ^. You will be receiving 3 MX skulls
very similar to the ones originally offered by EK and previous F2 sales.

Factory 2nd items are ones that can differ slightly when compared to their production brethren.
They're still rather quality items but the color maybe off, the sheen or texture might be a little
off/inconsistent, or a very slight discoloration may be present. All Factory 2nds have a hole in the back
of the keycap. Some people use them as keychains and some have just used them as a spy tool or
peep hole, if you will, when hiding from people in their keyboard. My gnomes pointed that
strategy out as they suggested we should cater more to the smaller forum members.

Rules/Guidelines for the sale-
- x1 set per person only (sold only as a complete set)
- USA only  (no international shipments, sorry, not this time)
- No proxy thingy or whatever. You buy it, I ship to you and you alone.
- Email me only (no PMs)
- Include "F2 set" and your GH screen name in the subject line of your email order.
- Once I receive your email/order I will reply with a quote and instructions.
- Paypal only.
- Shipping is included in the price.
- If you don't get an email back from me, your order didn't make it in. Sorry, but there are only 4 sets available.

Items for sale-
- F2 set, includes: 1 red skull, 1 blue skull, and 1 yellow skull. $60

Please send your order to-

1)
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Green Clack  sale- ENDED! (4/20/13) 

4/20 @ 4:20

Use this for accuracy and to dissolve all ambiguity-
"Green Clack" sale countdown (April, 20, 2013 @ 16:20)

Items for sale-
(*note* not all items are pictured, sorry, love me anyways)

20251-1

20253-2

20255-3

Rules/Guidlines for the sale-

-Up to 3 different items maximum per person OR 1 Mint Green Complete set (C1).
-Recent Dibs members cannot participate in the sale when it officially opens.
-Send order to the provided email address at the bottom of this post (will be available shortly before the sale). NO PM's
-Include "GC" AND your geekhack screen name in the subject line of the email order.
-Order by number and/or letter only. Include this in the body of the email.
-If there is more than one item you're interested in, list in order of preference, it's possible that your top choices may not be available. List as many as you would like. In the end you can only get a maximum of 3 different items anyway.
-Read "reply #1" above for further details.
-I will send you an email quote with further instructions if you happen to get an item in the sale.
-Early orders will not be accepted (it will not disqualify you, BUT, it wont be accepted).
-USE THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK! It's more accurate than attempting to use the force, young jedi.
-Hmmm... what else can I write to clear the countless and impressive ambiguities that people will somehow undoubtedly find?

Item descriptions-
Sticky- relief design in either the "Toast" (bold, simple) design or the "O' Natural" design (more realistic).
Sticky icky icky- double molded design in either the "Toast" or the "O' Natural" designs.
Mr. Friday- Double molded skull (green with red eyes). Available in 1x MX compatible, 1x T compatible, 1x M (BS) compatible with stem permanently attached.
*special note* The "mint" color mentioned below is the same as the previous "mint gum green". Sorry for any confusion/inconvenience.

Sticky (MX) $20 ea.-
1. Green Thumb Green "O' Natural" Gone!
2. Green Thumb Green "Toast" Gone!
3. Guac Green "Toast" Gone!
4. Orangesicle "Toast" Gone!
5. Hack Orange "Toast" Gone!
6. Hack Orange "O' Natural" Gone!
7. Revenge Red "Toast" (very little left) Gone!
8. Octopink "Toast" Gone!
9. Octopink "O' Natural" (very little left) Gone!
10. Depth Black "Toast" (very little left) Gone!

Sticky icky icky (MX) $30 ea.-
A. Green Thumb Green with Depth Black "Toast" design  Gone!
B. Green Thumb Green with Revenge Red "Toast" design Gone!
C. Green Thumb Green with Yellow (lol I forgot the name) "Toast" design Gone!
D. Guac Green with Green Thumb Green "O' Natural" design Gone!
E. Guac Green with Green Thumb Green "Toast" design (very little left) Gone!
F. Revenge Red with Yellow (still don't remember) "O' Natural" design (very little left) Gone!
G. Octopink with Depth Black "Toast" design (very little left) Gone!

Mr. Friday $30 ea.-
1F. Green Thumb Green skull with Revenge Red (dark) eyes. MX version Gone!
2F. Green Thumb Green skull with Revenge Red (dark) eyes. T version Gone!
3F. Green Thumb Green skull with Revenge Red (dark) eyes. M(BS) version with stem permanently attached. Gone!


Skulls $18 ea.-
1M. Mint Green (MX) Gone!
2M. Mint Green (T) Gone!

Blank ESC keys, $8 ea.-
E1. Mint Green (MX) Gone!
E2. Mint Green(T) Gone!
E3. P1 Purple (T)  NEW! Gone!

Mint Green Sets-
S1. WASD + Skull (MX) $36 (very little left) Gone!
S2. WASD + Blank ESC (MX) $31 Gone!
S3. Blank WASD set (MX) $25 Gone!
S4. Blank Arrows set (MX) $25 Gone!

S5. Skull + Blank ESC + Blank Fn key (T), Only one set available! $32 [/b] Gone!

Mint Green Complete Sets-
C1.  Skull + Blank ESC + Blank WASD + Blank Arrows (MX)  Only two sets available! $70 Gone!



Please send all orders to-

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Last one went pretty smooth. Hooray!




Hack Orange Sale-  ENDED!
(right here in this very post, open to all GH members)
TODAY, Friday (9.28.12) @ 3:00pm PDT (UTC/GMT -7)
Countdown clock
.4 boat bucks will will go towards our ever growing and much loved GH.

Please read the above post (reply #1) for further ordering instructions. Thank you.

Items for sale-
One of each different item per person. 3 keys per person MAXIMUM. You cannot have more than one of each type.  < clear enough? lol

A) Hack Orange skull- solid color MX compatible.  ($21) SOLD OUT
B) Hack Orange skull- solid color Topre compatible.  ($21) SOLD OUT
C) Hack Orange skull- older preproduction solid color Model M compatible. ($26) SOLD OUT
 Special Note: one piece complete with inner stem permanently attached.

Please send all orders to-

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Add the words up in order for the email address. Swap the "at" to "@" and the "dot" to "." .

Countdown clock



PB4 & PB5 SALE (6.8.12)-(6.15.12) ENDED 

All Dibs slots are filled, I will not be adding anyone to those two particular lists.

Sale date- Friday, June 8th @ 12:00pm PST! =)
Sale parameters-
1. Open only to Dibs PB4 & PB5 members (those who received previous emails)
2. Only 1 marked "set" per person
3. OR up to 3 different items/letters per person
4. I will honour your DB4 & DB5 Dibs membership for 1 week from sale opening.
Ordering format-
1. Send a PM with PB4 OR PB5 in the subject (refer to my old pm as to which you are)
2. Please include the letters in your order. You can add further descriptions if you wish, but put them darn letters in.
3. Pray.
4. I will send you a confirmation email with a quote for what was available in your order and how to submit payment.


MX compatible keys:
A) Mint Gum (green) set- Skull, WASD blanks, Arrows blanks $47 N/A
B) P1 (purple) set- Skull, WASD blanks, Arrows blanks $53 N/A
C) x1 Octopink Lt. set- Skull, WASD blanks, Arrows blanks $53 N/A
D) x1 Orangesicle set- Skull, WASD blanks, Arrows blanks $53 N/A

E) Mint Gum (green) Blank ESC MX $8 N/A
F) Mint Gum (green) Blank WASD MX $20 N/A
G) Mint Gum (green) Blank Arrows MX $20 N/A

H) Mint Gum (green) Skull MX $13 N/A
I) P1(purple) Skull MX $14 N/A
J) Octopink Lt. Skull MX $14 N/A
K) Orangesicle Skull MX $14 N/A

L) Random colored skull MX $15 N/A


Topre compatible keys:
M) Mint Gum (green) Blank ESC T $9 N/A
N) P1 (purple) Blank Fn T $10 N/A

O) Mint Gum (green) Skull T $14 N/A
P) P1(purple) Skull T $14.50 N/A
Q) Octopink Lt. Skull T $14.50 N/A
R) Orangesicle Skull T $14.50 N/A

S) Random colored Skull T $15 N/A


Please jot down your 2nd & 3rd choices in your order as well (if interested in other keys), just in case
you miss out on your first picks. If not, well... no worries, you'll likely just make someone else a little bit happier.  =)




Partially Blind 2.0h! Sale (3.9.12) ENDED 
A.K.A. the "oh $#%! please don't #@$%ing crash again" sale

March 9th at 4pm PST sharp

Guidelines:
1) Please read Post #2 (above) for general instructions and shipping.
2) You can only Grab different lettered items/sets up to a maximum of three letters.
3) Since this is a ticket based first come first serve sale/system (PM your order) . It would behoove you to mention other items (in order) that you might also like, just in case the ones you want are already sold out. Don't say "give me whatever", that just makes me sad.

A. x1  Blue set (similar to the original EK blue)= 1 Blue Skull mx + 1 Blue blank WASD mx set + 1 Blue blank ARROWS mx set  (not a perfect match). Only one set available!  $43 SOLD OUT

B. x1  Dark green set (similar to machine green)= 1 Green Skull mx + 1 Green Blank WASD mx set + 1 Green Blank ARROWS mx set  (not a perfect match). Only one set available! $43 SOLD OUT

C. White Skull MX (similar to the "Depth White" of the new 3D skulls) $13 SOLD OUT
D. White Skull Topre (similar to the "Depth White" of the new 3D skulls) $14 SOLD OUT

E. Mint Gum (Green) Skull MX  $13 SOLD OUT
F. Mint Gum (Green) Skull Topre  $14 SOLD OUT
G. Mint Gum (Green) Blank WASD set MX  $20 SOLD OUT
H.Edit: this set no longer available (was Mint Gum Green Blank ARROWS set MX) SOLD OUT

I.  Random solid color Skull MX  $13.50 SOLD OUT
J.  Random solid color Skull Topre $14.50 SOLD OUT

K.  Random blank WASD set MX  $22 SOLD OUT
L.  Random "MIXED" blank WASD set MX  $20 SOLD OUT
M. Random blank ARROWS set MX  $22 SOLD OUT
N. Random "MIXED" blank ARROWS set MX  $20 SOLD OUT

O. x1 Mint Gum (green) set= 1 Mint Green Skull MX + 1 Mint Green blank WASD set + 1 Mint Green blank ARROWS set. Only one set available! $53 SOLD OUT


Note: "MIXED" keys are composed of two different solid colors (eg. blue A,D and Green W,S)
All these keys are extras from something or other but not from Previous EK runs.



Factory 2nds   #1   (12.28.11) ENDED
Please see the bottom of this post for description.
1 of each different key per person (max 3)
Fafctory 2nds keys are $9 each
$4 for USA shipping
$14 for International shipping via USPS flat rate envelope (no tracking available)

Currently available-

Red Skull MX SOLD OUT
Blue Skull MX SOLD OUT
Red Skull Topre SOLD OUT

Factory 2nds are keys that were slightly off from the previously offered keycap runs.
This usually means the colors were slightly lighter or darker than what was previously offered.
Sometimes they have a slight discolored mark on the back of the key or an inconsistent sheen.
Factory 2nds or F2s are distinguished by the little singular hole in the back of the key as pictured
below.

example-

1324-4


Special Run extras 3of3 (12.7.11) ENDED

1330-5

Final Special Run extras!
These BLANK colored keys are compatible with the ESC row on common Topre switched keyboards.

Please include Letter in the order.

MAX 4 per person (they have to be different colors)
1st key is $10, then $8 for each additional key.

H.  Tickle me Pink  SOLD OUT
I.  Painful Red  SOLD OUT
J.  Juice Yellow SOLD OUT
K.  Yolk Yellow SOLD OUT
L.  Gum Purple  SOLD OUT
M.  Midnight Blue SOLD OUT
N.  Machine Green  SOLD OUT
O.  Midnight Indigo  SOLD OUT
P.  Chartreuse  SOLD OUT
Q.  Chocolate Mud Brown SOLD OUT     
R. Milk Blue SOLD OUT
S.  Ghost White   SOLD OUT
T.  Blood Orange SOLD OUT
U.  Sinter Black SOLD OUT


Special Run extras 2of3 (12.5.11) ENDED

1328-6

These keys are Topre switch compatible and are a good fit for the top row of Realforce and HHKB Pro model keyboards.
Maximum 3 keys per person and must be different colors. Only a handful are available.
Price: $14 each

Use the letters in your order (maybe I can slow down the dyslexic members, idunno)

A) Tickle me Pink   SOLD OUT
B) Milk Blue   SOLD OUT
c) Machine Green   SOLD OUT
D) Chartreuse   SOLD OUT
E) Midnight Blue   SOLD OUT
F) Gum Purple   SOLD OUT
G) Painful Red   SOLD OUT


Special Run extras 1of3  (12.3.11)  ENDED

1326-7

Special Run extras-
These keys are Cherry MX compatible keys and are a good fit for the Top/ESC row of Archiss/Leopold, Filco, Das and similar keyboards
Maximum 3 keys per person. I think that's fair considering only a handful of these are available.
Price:  $13 each

1) Tickle me Pink  SOLD OUT!
2) Milk Blue  SOLD OUT
3) Machine Green SOLD OUT
4) Chartreuse/Toxic Green   SOLD OUT!
5) Midnight Blue SOLD OUT
6) Painful Red SOLD OUT
7) Gum Purple SOLD OUT

The Special Run keys may be closely replicated at a later date, BUT, there will not be more of these exact ones available. Well, unless I find more in the couch cushions. Eww.. green cheetos! :puke:
« Last Edit: Wed, 15 May 2013, 11:04:22 by ClackFactory »
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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 17:58:22 »
Ended Archive










Ended (5.18.13)
Hack Orange sale #2 (5.18.13)
Open to all GH members, International and Domestic! Taking orders!  =D
.2 Boat bucks will go towards our ever growing and much loved GH.

Sale instructions/guidelines/rules/readme-
-One item per person per address.
-No PMs.
-Email your order only, email located at the bottom of the post (follow instructions) and I will reply with a quote/instructions.
-Include "H.O." and your gh screen name in the subject title of the email.
-In the body of the email indicate A or B, that's all I really need in the order.
-IF you are interested in both keys, then list both (prioritize), and if I run out of one before the other you have a better chance at getting one.
-It's worth noting that I have 3x more "B" than "A" in this auction. Just something to keep in mind.
-Shipping $5 USA and $7 international (I will ship within one week of payment).

Items for sale-

A.  Hack Orange Skull MX compatible $25 Gone!

B.  Hack Orange Skull T compatible $25 Gone!


Please send all orders to-

1)
2)
3)
4)
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ENDED!!! (5.10.13) Factory 2nds #2.5 Sale!!!
U.S.A. ONLY SALE! Givin some contiguous lovin!

22138-0

Factory 2nds are items that can differ slightly when compared to their production brethren.
They're still rather quality items but the color maybe off, the sheen or texture might be a little
off/inconsistent, or a very slight discoloration may be present. All Factory 2nds have a hole in the back
of the keycap. Some people use them as keychains and some have just used them as a spy tool or
peep hole (if you will) when hiding from people in their keyboard. My gnomes pointed that
strategy out as they suggested we should cater more to the smaller forum members.


Rules/Guidelines for the sale-
- 2 MAXIMUM keys per person and they must be different keys. They can be the same or different switch type. (No 2 of the same key)
- USA only  (no international shipments, sorry, not this time)
- No proxy thingy or whatever. You buy it, I ship to you and you alone.
- Email me only (no PMs)
- Include "F2" and your GH screen name in the subject line of your email order.
- If you are interested, list your second and third choices on the list in case I run out of your top/initial pick.
- Once I receive your email/order I will reply with a quote and instructions.
- Paypal only.
- Shipping is $5
- If you don't get an email back from me, your order didn't make it in. Sorry, but my gnomes hate typing (Ironically. Keys too big?) and there is only one of me.
- last nights F2 set recipients are not eligigle for this sale.


Items for sale:

A) Blue Mx compatible skull $15 Gone!


B) Red T compatible skull  $15 Gone!
C) Blue T compatible skull  $15 Gone!


Please send your order to-

1) 
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)

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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 17:58:31 »
Future place holder...
« Last Edit: Sat, 03 December 2011, 18:00:24 by ClackFactory »
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 03 December 2011, 17:58:40 »
Future place holder...
« Last Edit: Sat, 03 December 2011, 18:00:47 by ClackFactory »
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 23 May 2012, 09:46:52 »
We need another "4Grabs" event to put the new hardware through its paces.  Honestly, it shouldn't affect performance at all. (as opposed to the previous hardware)  :)

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 29 July 2012, 04:17:30 »
By the way did I mention new keys? lol

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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Re: 4Grabs
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 18 May 2013, 17:46:18 »
Who you callin a H.O.?

Sale up in reply #2. WOOT!
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 18 May 2013, 19:33:42 »
NO MO H.O.s

The sale has now concluded.
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 18 May 2013, 20:46:41 »
All quotes have been sent out.
If you did not receive a reply from me with a quote then unfortunately you had just missed out. It's a bummer I know, but it happens to the best of us.

Thanks again everyone for making the first part go smoothly. I hope the international shipping follows that trend.

-cc   =)

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Re: 4Grabs
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 19 May 2013, 00:40:59 »
AKk! Good Gawd, you guys are killing me.

1. Q: What's 25 + 5 ?

2. Q: What's 25 + 7 ?

3. Q: Do you have a phone #? Would you care to provide it?

Please recheck your submissions. I should only be receiveing $30 and $32 respectively per order but for some reason I keep getting $25, $27, and $31.
And now that I finally specifically ask for your phone number (for international orders) less people provided it than ever before.

If you were short money please submit the difference in a new payment.
If you didn't add your phone number (international only) please email it to me and include your screen name and/or real name in the email as well.

Some of you are such repeat offenders at the above (including other omissions) that sadly I've memorized your mistakes to the point of not needing you to correct them anymore. lulz

Seriously though guys, c'mon help me out a little here. I just barely have enough time to do these sales, and even then, I still have to move my work schedule around.

Thanks for listening and I hope some of you rectify these seemingly itty-bitty problems soon. They add up to one big mess sometimes.

-cc  =)
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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 20 May 2013, 17:20:04 »
Only two members left who have not paid, reminder emails have been sent (you know who you are). Please conclude the transaction and/or respond soon. Thanks  =)
 
And thank you to those who corrected the previous issues with their order. I really appreciated the quick responses, that helped a lot. 
Some domestic packages went out today. I'll probably be shipping throughout the week.

cc OUT!

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 21 May 2013, 12:00:03 »
Most domestic orders have shipped (just a couple/few left). Most international orders have yet to ship.
All orders have been received and paid. If you were curious, a little over 1/3 of the orders were international.  =)
Thanks again everyone. I will update again when all orders have finally shipped.

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Offline ClackFactory

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Re: 4Grabs
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 21 May 2013, 15:43:52 »
All orders (domestic and international) have been shipped! =D

Thank you again everyone, I'd say all in all this one went smooth too.

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A.K.A. "clickclack"   I've done so much with so little for so long, that I can do almost anything with nothing at all