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Offline inaneframe

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« on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 02:52:58 »
http://xahlee.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html

When I was first reading this and the part where he recommends that you mash the control key with the palm of your left hand, my expression was thus:

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Another gem is the message at the top used throughout the website:

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With a paypal button right underneath it.  I'm thinking geekhack should implement this as well.  What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 02:55:15 »
caps locks is the most usless key in the keyboard, and giving such nice position is just a waist.  dye caps lock dye
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 02:57:59 »
Quote from: cactux;469478
caps locks is the most usless key in the keyboard, and giving such nice position is just a waist.  Dye caps lock dye


no it's not.

Edit: Okay, yes it is. Since this board disabled caplock spam =(

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 02:58:47 »
^ why? when I said more usless is base on the key position. num locks and friends do not have such key poition on the board
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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 02:59:11 »
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no it's not.


Excellent rebuttal on Gin's part here, 1 point awarded!  :fencing:

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 03:00:28 »
Hey! I was trying to be clever and type it all in caps. But apparently that's not allowed. Making me seem like a fool, which I am not.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 03:03:10 »
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Hey! I was trying to be clever and type it all in caps. But apparently that's not allowed. Making me seem like a fool, which I am not.


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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 03:07:10 »
Who the **** presses control with their palm?  I applogise if you only have one hand but if you have two, please use the other one.  You'll be so much happier!
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 03:10:07 »
I only ever use my left pinky.  It is like second nature to me now.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 03:10:55 »
^ me 2
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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 07:27:41 »
Quote from: inaneframe;469476
http://xahlee.org/emacs/swap_CapsLock_Ctrl.html

When I was first reading this and the part where he recommends that you mash the control key with the palm of your left hand, my expression was thus:

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The guy quotes a programmer since the 60's then disregards his opinion, assuming the programmer isn't a touch typist. What a stupid assumption. Back in that era, nearly everybody using a keyboard was a touch typist.

Offline Daniel Beaver

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 07:55:47 »
You can't press ctrl with your palm on laptop scissor switch keyboards - the palm argument is invalid.

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:11:17 »
For people using the US-internacional layout, CapsLock should be mapped to AltGr, so you can type accented letters with ease.
In this case, if you don't want to loose CapsLock functionality, you can remap CapsLock to “Insert” Key because “Insert” Key is repeatead on the numeric keypad.
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This is the remapping I did on my computer:
AltGr -> CapsLock
CapsLock -> Insert

Offline fireball87

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:23:46 »
Caps lock is a pretty important key if you're stuck entering letter (and number combinations) into a program that is too stupid to guarantee data style consistency, despite ignoring case.  Which is sadly a lot of business apps.

I generally remap mine to control at home, but I never really use it as such.  I currently have just been remapping it to get caps lock off my keyboard, but generally using the actual control key as habit.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:31:12 »
Everybody sane know where the correct position of the caps lock key is:
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:37:11 »
Quote from: digitalleftovers;469485
Who the **** presses control with their palm?

I do. I find it very useful for gaming. I wish the HHKB would have a key in that position.
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 08:54:44 »
Maybe I have not looked hard enough, but are there any alternative keys/keycaps for the "Caps Lock" for Model M or Cherry that fit the opening, properly, or even improperly?

On my Model M/F I am using a single tab (pointing right, since I have remapped it to Delete) oversized cap, but it still leaves a gap of about a quarter key-width. Not bad, but not right.

I am not bothered enough, yet, to get out the Dremel and epoxy, but will that be my only solution?
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 09:14:56 »
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Everybody sane know where the correct position of the caps lock key is:
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Ah, I see you've put C128 keys on your A1200.

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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 09:23:17 »
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Ah, I see you've put C128 keys on your A1200.

aahh... well it isn't mine... it is Akiras on Amibay.com. I just took it since it really shows the Ctrl key position. But yes... it is C128 keys. Looks really nice. The C128 key typeface is a lot cooler then the Amiga key typeface.
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 11:18:51 »
Caps Lock is a second backspace for me. Hitting Control with your palm seems stupid, and for people with an fn key, it's anything but useful to do that.
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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 11:24:32 »
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With a paypal button right underneath it.  I'm thinking geekhack should implement this as well.  What do you think?
There is a "Donate" button on the menu tab.  Feel free to use it!!  ;)

I don't think you should swap caps lock and left ctrl.  I think you should remove caps lock all together and add an additional ctrl there.

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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 11:47:28 »
I removed Caps Lock completely. I have Ctrl beside A and Apple Command below left shift. Alt is below right shift where Caps Lock used to be.


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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 11:47:33 »
Caps is where one of my Fn keys is going to be.
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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 13:45:30 »
I've thought about it for a bit and instead of removing Caps Lock, I've decided that this is the best way to go:


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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 13:45:57 »
Why the capslock hate? I find it useful. What do you guys do if you need to type a long string of capital letters, or just a few words? How do you do it? Try typing this: I AM TYPING CAPITAL LETTERS
Do you use the left shift, the right shift, or alternating both, depending on the letter to be capitalized?
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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 14:02:09 »
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What do you guys do if you need to type a long string of capital letters, or just a few words? How do you do it? Try typing this: I AM TYPING CAPITAL LETTERS

I use the capslock which was mapped to the old ctrl key...duh.  For those who like some other key down there, map ScrLk or Pause or something else to capslock.
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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 14:45:32 »
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There is a "Donate" button on the menu tab.  Feel free to use it!!  ;)

I don't think you should swap caps lock and left ctrl.  I think you should remove caps lock all together and add an additional ctrl there.


Absolutely!  The only people that need caps lock are FORTRAN programmers and the like.

Quote from: sordna;469862
Try typing this: I AM TYPING CAPITAL LETTERS


Ok:

I AM TYPING CAPITAL LETTERS

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Do you use the left shift, the right shift, or alternating both, depending on the letter to be capitalized?


None of that, I copy and pasted!

Why would I ever need to type that?  Before you go into how difficult it would be to piss in a toilet on the ceiling without the proper gear and a tube, you have give me a reason as to why I would ever want to piss in a toilet on the ceiling.

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 14:53:02 »
Quote from: sordna;469862
Why the capslock hate? I find it useful. What do you guys do if you need to type a long string of capital letters, or just a few words? How do you do it? Try typing this: I AM TYPING CAPITAL LETTERS
Do you use the left shift, the right shift, or alternating both, depending on the letter to be capitalized?
you know me i use kinesis thumb delete to shift modifier, works AWESOME! (prolly only one in the world to do it too)

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 15:06:20 »
What would you put in place of Caps Lock?
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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 13 December 2011, 15:24:31 »
you could totally palm ctrl on a regular 104keyboard, just tried it, works pretty well actually.