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Offline WhiteFireDragon

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« on: Wed, 04 January 2012, 20:42:11 »
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Leftover sell thread here (>> CLICK <<)

I bought some O-rings for myself and sold off the extra ones I had. There were only enough for 6 people in my sell thread, so this time I'll do a mass order available to everyone interested. And this time, there will be more assortments of different sizes and softness.

Some people hate key noise, some love it. some hate the key travel reduction, others buy O-rings just for that. With so many variations on specific needs, I'll be getting many different ones. Here's what's available and a short description of its practical usage:

  • base price is for tenkeyless 90 count pack, includes shipping within the US
  • add $2 to base price for full size 105 count pack
  • add $4 to base price for extras, 120 count pack
  • add $1 to base price for international shipping
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pack A: optimal noise dampening, small key travel reduction $9
40A, 3/16 ID, 5/16 OD, 1/16 W

pack B: less noise dampening but more crisps bottom-out, small key travel reduction $13
50A, 3/16" ID, 5/16" OD, 1/16" W

pack C: optimal noise dampening, fair amount of key travel reduction $13
40A, 5mm ID, 2mm W

pack D: some noise dampening, negligible key travel reduction $13
40A, 5mm ID, 1mm W

pack E: nearly no bottom-out noise, max key travel reduction $20
40A, 3/16 ID, 3/8 OD, 3/32 W

pack F: hard bottom-out, small key travel reduction $4
70A, 3/16 ID, 5/16 OD, 1/16 W

pack G: hard bottom-out, max key travel reduction $4
70A, 3/16 ID, 3/8 OD, 3/32 W

pack H: softest bottom-out but might feel mushy, small key travel reduction $16
30A, 5mm ID, 1.5mm W

* add $1 to any pack to include "sample pack": one of each O-ring from every pack, that way you can try out how all the O-rings feel without having to buy all the packs*


NOTE: Price above include shipping from the company to me, and from me to you. So far those are the prices but it's subject to go slightly up or down, depending on quantity. shipping will be from the US in a standard envelope, it takes about 1-3 days if you're also in the US, and a little longer for international. Add an extra $1 if you're international to help cover additional shipping and associated fees. I prefer payment in paypal or amazon payment. I will add more info to this OP when it comes up

My personal review and what I thought of my first O-rings:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:25612


payment instructions: If you want to send money via amazon payment, PM me. Otherwise, send to my paypal address whitefiredragon1@hotmail.com. Please cover paypal fees (3% + $0.30), unless you send as "gift" payment. Include in the paypal note:


  • forum name
  • which pack (A, B, C, etc.), quantity
  • pack size (90, 105, 120)
  • shipping address
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List of people participating, let me know if you change your mind before I make the order:

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UPDATE 01/09/12: got complete price quotes
UPDATE 01/10/12: accepting payments
UPDATE 01/13/12: half of the order placed, other half will be placed on monday
UPDATE 01/17/12: order processed, production begins
UPDATE 01/20/12: received half of the shipment, distributing packs A, E, F, G, the rest has an ETA of 2-3 weeks
UPDATE 01/27/12: received shipment for packs B, C, and the rest of E.
UPDATE 02/22/12: received the rest of the shipment (pack D and H), remaining orders and sample packs will be shipped out in the next couple days.
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Offline WhiteFireDragon

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 04 January 2012, 21:36:13 »
this might be helpful to know:

ID = inner diameter
OD = outer diamter
W = width or thickness

1/32" = 0.79mm
1/16" = 1.59mm
5/64" = 1.98mm
3/32" = 2.38mm
3/16" = 4.76mm
5/16" = 7.94mm
3/8" = 9.53mm

TBD = to be determined


if you can't decide which pack to get, then go with either pack A or B, as they dampen noise and reduce a tiny bit of key travel. the largest "fat" O-rings (pack E or G) is the max thickness you can get without interfering with the actuation point. On my MX blues, they bottom out just after the actuation click. i have tested may times and they never bottom out before the actuation point under any circumstance. when i used double small ones, they also bottom out just at the actuation point it seems, so if you press softly enough, there might be a rare case where the key might not register.
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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 04 January 2012, 21:38:46 »
I could be wrong, but 1/32" has probably no effect on most keycaps. I would replace it with metric 1mm or 1.5mm in width, and 5mm in ID.
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 00:38:03 »
Why do you have TBD on some of the OD ? If you know an o-ring's ID and CS (what you call W) the OD is calculated as: 2*CS + ID. The other way to put it, you don't need OD, only ID and CS are important :-)

By the way, pack D at 1/32 thickness and 3/16 ID is a non-standard size. I suspect that the (close enough) metric 1mm thickness and 5mm ID might be better and perhaps even cheaper.
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Offline Ciardhubh

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 05:31:05 »
How many rings are there in a pack? 104, 105, some spare in case you break some or for exchangable keys?

Offline nerfredux

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 06:19:40 »
Which ones are the same as wasdkeyboard's 40A durameter dampeners?
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-accessories-2/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html

Loved the first set I bought from them, wouldn't mind another.

Offline mehkat1974

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 16:48:45 »
These two guys just asked my two questions :)
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Offline artee

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 17:22:58 »
same here!

Offline trax

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 17:49:41 »
pack A + pack D
Switches tried so far
Cherry MX Red Blue Black Clear
ALPS White Black (fake)Blue
Montereys
ACER
White Black
Futaba
Buckling Sprin

Offline WhiteFireDragon

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 19:26:47 »
pack H was just added as another option, credit goes to sordna

Quote from: sordna;483615
Why do you have TBD on some of the OD ? If you know an o-ring's ID and CS (what you call W) the OD is calculated as: 2*CS + ID. The other way to put it, you don't need OD, only ID and CS are important :-)

By the way, pack D at 1/32 thickness and 3/16 ID is a non-standard size. I suspect that the (close enough) metric 1mm thickness and 5mm ID might be better and perhaps even cheaper.
they said it can be any size, but i guess you're right, OD doesn't really matter so i didn't calculate it myself to put in the thread. although if i wanted it more like a washer, it can have a large OD with small thickness. i'll change pack C and D to metric


Quote from: Ciardhubh;483718
How many rings are there in a pack? 104, 105, some spare in case you break some or for exchangable keys?
the first few people had packs of 105 pieces, which i figured should be enough for the full size 104 keys with extra O-ring to spare. it's more than enough for TKL. do you guys want packs of 120 instead? it might increase the price by a few cents to a dollar max


Quote from: nerfredux;483725
Which ones are the same as wasdkeyboard's 40A durameter dampeners?
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-accessories-2/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html

Loved the first set I bought from them, wouldn't mind another.
wasdkeyboard's 40A is pack A
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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 05 January 2012, 20:45:54 »
Sign me up for Pack D + Pack H + sample pack (as long as the set doesn't exceed $30).

Btw o-rings are always round. If you want it like a washer, get rubber washers! I got a couple washers as sample from somewhere, I think the material in these ones was neoprene and durometer was 40 or 50, you can see it in the below pic, one by itself, and one stacked under an o-ring within a Kinesis keycap.

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Offline artee

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 01:27:35 »
I would like to get 2 packs A, 120 pcs each, if possible

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 09:20:11 »
Hey, I'll please grab a pack of A and a pack of B with a sample pack to go with, will also require international post, cheers!
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Offline transcend3nt

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 10:34:13 »
Hi there,

Would like Pack H (please let me know pricing first!!) + Sample pack - international shipping

One question is that after the first batch of orders go out, is it possible to re-order again? Since you say that this is a one-off thing.

Offline aoya

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 11:52:25 »
Do you know the noise difference between pack A and pack D? They seem to be same softness, so not sure how much difference it makes.

Offline WhiteFireDragon

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 13:19:53 »
i updated the list of people that want o-rings. i'm still in the process of ironing out details on all the packs with the manufacturer. it takes a while with so many options, and especially since the representative doesn't answer back right away.

Quote from: transcend3nt;484683
One question is that after the first batch of orders go out, is it possible to re-order again? Since you say that this is a one-off thing.
yes, i can do a round 2 after this first one. what do you mean by "one-off"?


Quote from: aoya;484763
Do you know the noise difference between pack A and pack D? They seem to be same softness, so not sure how much difference it makes.
ideally, they should have the same noise and dampening characteristics, but since differ in thickness, the thinner ones might not dampen as much. i personally have not tried the pack D yet, so i can't give a definite comparison. pack A and D should be the same noise dampening, but D is for those that don't want the key travel to be affected. hope that helps

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 17:16:17 »
Is it easy to put the keycaps on with the pack E? You may have to press it quite hard?
Are your keys the same height as keys without o-ring?
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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 19:09:26 »
Quote from: AtL;484971
Is it easy to put the keycaps on with the pack E? You may have to press it quite hard?
Are your keys the same height as keys without o-ring?

pack E are the thickest ones, but it still goes on pretty easy because the rubber is pretty stretchy. you can slip them on with your fingers, but i use non-fine tweezers. it takes a second or two for each key.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 20:21:21 »
I have ordered 50A from MCMasterCar feels good but would like to try out the 40A you have in Pack A, also want to test out the shorter distance with Pack G.

Would love to try Pack E but that is kinda expensive O.o..

So put me in for an A & G

Offline transcend3nt

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 06 January 2012, 23:33:03 »
my bad, i thought you were only doing one round. since that's the case, can i just get 1x sample pack first and i'll decide which one to get for round 2. the choices you have are crazy !!!

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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 07 January 2012, 02:15:34 »
So you mean that your keys on your keyboard are the same height with pack E as keys without o-ring?
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 07 January 2012, 18:40:01 »
5mm ID is the biggest you can get?
Switches tried so far
Cherry MX Red Blue Black Clear
ALPS White Black (fake)Blue
Montereys
ACER
White Black
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Buckling Sprin

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 07 January 2012, 20:03:07 »
Quote from: AtL;485213
So you mean that your keys on your keyboard are the same height with pack E as keys without o-ring?

o-rings don't change the height of the keys.

Quote from: trax;485607
5mm ID is the biggest you can get?

The keycaps stems are 5.5mm so 5mm ID is ideal. Anything bigger might slip off too easily. Besides, the well-tested -008 o-rings have an ID of 4.75 or so, and they work fine.
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Offline nerfredux

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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 03:05:06 »
Can you put me down for:

- Pack A
- Sample Pack
- International shipping

Thanks mate.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 03:48:30 »
Quote from: sordna;485640
o-rings don't change the height of the keys.



The keycaps stems are 5.5mm so 5mm ID is ideal. Anything bigger might slip off too easily. Besides, the well-tested -008 o-rings have an ID of 4.75 or so, and they work fine.
Im going to use it on ALPS.
Switches tried so far
Cherry MX Red Blue Black Clear
ALPS White Black (fake)Blue
Montereys
ACER
White Black
Futaba
Buckling Sprin

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 07:09:12 »
Quote from: sordna;485640
o-rings don't change the height of the keys.

It can but he's on doubleshot : http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1417&hilit=o+ring
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 12:11:04 »
Quote from: trax;485863
Im going to use it on ALPS.

No idea about o-rings on ALPS.

Quote from: AtL;485913
It can but he's on doubleshot : http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1417&hilit=o+ring

Interesting. But on the keys that sit higher he said he installed them with low pressure. You have to push the key down hard so it seats properly. And he is using thick (2mm) o-rings. Anyway, I haven't tried thick o-rings but I can tell you that the regular or thin o-rings, installed with proper pressure, do not change the height of the keycaps.
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Offline WhiteFireDragon

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 17:52:19 »
Quote from: transcend3nt;485165
my bad, i thought you were only doing one round. since that's the case, can i just get 1x sample pack first and i'll decide which one to get for round 2. the choices you have are crazy !!!
i'm only going to offer the "sample" pack if you get it along with another pack. The reason is because at only $1, i'll be losing my own money doing this. i have to take into account shipping costs to me, shipping to you, and actual cost of the O-rings, which will put me into the negatives. the normal packs already have these costs factored in, so that's why i can offer sample packs for only $1 if you get them with the at least 1 normal pack.

Quote from: AtL;485213
So you mean that your keys on your keyboard are the same height with pack E as keys without o-ring?
sorry, i forgot to answer this part of your question when you first asked. the key itself is the same height with or without the O-rings, even with the largest O-rings. it only shortens the bottom-out distance and reduces key travel. basically, with two keys side by side, one with the o-ring and one without, you can't tell which one has the o-ring unless you press on the key. i also put these fat O-rings on my sc2 doubleshot keys and it did not raise the key's height on the keyboard.

Quote from: trax;485607
5mm ID is the biggest you can get?
for now, 5mm ID is the biggest, although i could ask the company again, but i'm not sure if i want to go through the hassle dealing with a new quote that will delay the whole order. i'm assuming you're asking this in regards to my post on O-rings and ALPS switches?

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25789-O-rings-thingy-for-ALPS&p=485508&viewfull=1#post485508

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:02:15 »
For larger o-rings for ALPS check this post, this thread is focused on Cherry MX which need an ID anywhere between 4.7 - 5.2mm
« Last Edit: Sun, 08 January 2012, 18:44:05 by sordna »
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 09 January 2012, 09:43:08 »
Pack B with sample packet please.

Where are you from?