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Offline naranja

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[Closed] KBC PBT 104 / 37 Keysets for Cherry MX
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 21:48:29 »
Does it somehow cost more to have black keys not engraved? I still don't understand why they offer white blank because it's before dyesubbing but not blank black even though its before engraving. I don't think it's about making blank blacks sets but more on not making black engraved. But I guess there's no use in arguing for this anymore?

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 17 February 2012, 21:57:08 »
I suspect they might do custom dyesubbing (or sell it to other company who does) but almost no-one does custom engraving.
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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 00:51:45 »
I'm not sure if my English is good enough to express this, but what I meant is that there're some centain choices for those 104 key sets in the market, because they would be sold well. And the blank ones usually wouldn't be sold many, so KBC doesn't bring the blank ones to the market. And even they're not making any blank black set! In short, there's no blank black sets available even in the Chinese market.

Since there're some people showing their interest on the blank black sets, I just contacted the head of KBC to see if we could possibly get some . So the respond I got from him is that even though the blank black set is not available in the market, he can take custom orders about it which requires 500 sets as minimum order. Meanwhile he also offers 100 sets as minimum order for the Ducky 104 blank black sets, but it's more expensive than KBC's (he said the Ducky sets includes a retail box).

I know it doesn't really make sense, even I didn't understand either at first. But it's not about why they couldn't just simply remove the step of engraving, it's because the blank black sets are not for sale unless it's a custom order. It's like personally I really like those non-printed Topre key caps, but what if the Topre company only has printed ones for sale. I might just think the non-printed ones are much easier to make than printed ones. But for Topre, revenue is what they care about. Only limited number of people interested in non-printed ones would not influence their decision.
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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 00:59:31 »
Gotcha, thanks for trying feng. You basically just summarized this for KBC: Money > custom service.

If anyone wants blank black PBT caps, you basically have to just buy blank white caps and dye it yourself. My results didn't turn out too bad:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27214-failed-RIT-dye-keycap-experiment-%28&p=517392&viewfull=1#post517392

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 08:02:20 »
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Gotcha, thanks for trying feng. You basically just summarized this for KBC: Money > custom service.

If anyone wants blank black PBT caps, you basically have to just buy blank white caps and dye it yourself. My results didn't turn out too bad:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27214-failed-RIT-dye-keycap-experiment-%28&p=517392&viewfull=1#post517392


Or we get enough people to order 100 sets of the Ducky blanks...

Feng, do you know how much the Ducky blank black PBT key caps would be if we got 100 orders?  Honestly, I'd be willing to buy 2-4 sets if enough other people were willing to buy some.

I firmly believe there is enough demand for these to sell 100 sets over a year or so.  So, depending on how much they are, I'd be willing to buy a couple sets for myself and then buy another set or two to sell later - for people that miss this Group Buy.  It seems there are always people who miss Group Buys and want in after the fact (myself especially)
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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 18:22:28 »
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Sixty was running a group buy not too long ago; apparently Vortex will be making Otaku keycaps.  Maybe iMav will sell these in a future GB.  If interested hit him up.

Yeah, that was mentioned in another thread.  Sixty told someone to contact iMav, but apparently iMav didn't answer a couple PM's.  So, I assume he's busy or not really organizing that.  However, I didn't try him myself, so I'll just do that and post here if anything comes of it.
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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 21 February 2012, 11:38:03 »
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Is there a picture of what the symmetric rainbow would look like?


Bumping to ask this again. Trying to figure out if I'd want the gradual change one pictured in the first post or if I would prefer a symmetric one.
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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 21 February 2012, 16:30:02 »
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Bumping to ask this again. Trying to figure out if I'd want the gradual change one pictured in the first post or if I would prefer a symmetric one.

Oh sorry about missing that question. I'll post some pictures of it at the end of February hopefully.
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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:24:12 »
Does anyone know if the engraved keycaps get a lot of dirty stuck in the engravings after several months of use?

Edit: dirt*
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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:41:39 »
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Does anyone know if the engraved keycaps get a lot of dirty stuck in the engravings after several months of use?

Depends on how much dirty you do on your keyboard.

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 22 February 2012, 23:50:20 »
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Does anyone know if the engraved keycaps get a lot of dirty stuck in the engravings after several months of use?

This is relative to how dirty you are haha. If you roll around in the mud all day and don't wash your hands before using your keyboard, then yeah, you'll get dirt clogged in there. But if you're OCD and wash your hands after you touch anything, then the engravings will never get dirty :p

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 08:39:56 »
Thank you for the response. I don't think engraved keycaps are for me.

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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:00:29 »
Do the 104 PBT sets have spacebar keys that are compatible with leopold FC200R?
The 6gv2 set that I received from you recently has this great universal spacebar with 6 stems that fit Leopold, Poker and Filco stem spacing and was wondering if normal sets have the same spacebar.

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 12:02:13 »
Both of my recent posts pbt sets had that spacebar.

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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:19:28 »
is the gold on black laser etched or dye-sub?

Thanks

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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 14:20:49 »
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is the gold on black laser etched or dye-sub?

Thanks

Can't dye-sub gold on black.

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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 23 February 2012, 15:12:21 »
I see, thank you very much sir.

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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:18:44 »
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Do the 104 PBT sets have spacebar keys that are compatible with leopold FC200R?
The 6gv2 set that I received from you recently has this great universal spacebar with 6 stems that fit Leopold, Poker and Filco stem spacing and was wondering if normal sets have the same spacebar.

hm.... I don't even know that the spacebar included in a 6GV2 set would fit on Leopold. The spacebar in a normal black set only has 3 stems, but the ones in a normal white set has 6 stems. I should edit my post for noticing. Thank you very much for the info Lamaboi!
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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 22:24:32 »
Judging by the picture, I'm assuming the white set does not come with a stepped caps lock key. Is this an option I can choose? Or will I have to buy it separately?

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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 23:41:56 »
feng you getting anymore new stuff coming in?
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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:04:39 »
Are the printed 37-key sets DyeSub?
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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:18:57 »
I don't think any of these are dyesub.

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 27 February 2012, 15:23:35 »
Do you have ISO version for the engraved white keycaps?

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« Reply #53 on: Tue, 28 February 2012, 05:42:26 »
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Sixty was running a group buy not too long ago; apparently Vortex will be making Otaku keycaps.  Maybe iMav will sell these in a future GB.  If interested hit him up.


iMav has not answered my PMs.  So, if anyone else knows a contact for Vortex key caps, please let me know...
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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 02:31:12 »
I want to get a 37-set for my Poker, but I can't decide on a color. Blue, Yellow, or Red?
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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:40:46 »
/noob meter activate

Ok, Ive tried to search, read the whole thread and still can't find when this group buy closes. Thanks

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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 29 February 2012, 21:40:45 »
feng told me it ends March 11.

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« Reply #57 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 00:28:29 »
I just decided I need some MX-compatible PBT keycaps.  These sets are regular, center-stemmed, Filco/Leopold-compatible, right?  What kind of space bar does the gold-on-black set have?
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 02:35:52 »
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I just decided I need some MX-compatible PBT keycaps.  These sets are regular, center-stemmed, Filco/Leopold-compatible, right?  What kind of space bar does the gold-on-black set have?

The Black sets are only for Filco, since they don't come with an universal spacebar. The White sets are Filco/Leopold-compatible because the spacebar has 6 stems. So the gold on black set has a regular spacebar with 3 stems, it only fits on Filco.
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« Reply #59 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 22:07:36 »
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The Black sets are only for Filco, since they don't come with an universal spacebar. The White sets are Filco/Leopold-compatible because the spacebar has 6 stems. So the gold on black set has a regular spacebar with 3 stems, it only fits on Filco.

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