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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 23:16:49 »
actually you just made me curious about this, so i looked it up and here's the deal:

hp zr2740w: lm270wq1-sdda (matte, w-led, 8 + 2-bit)
dell u2711:   lm270wq2-?       (matte, w-ccfl, 10-bit native afaik)
apple ACD:   lm270wq1-sda2  (glossy, w-led, 8-bit)
catleap whatever: same!
hazro something: lm270wq1-sla1 (glossy, ccfl, 8 + 2-bit)

i guess we know where all the low-bin panels that haven't made it into ACDs have been going now lol

here's where i'm getting the panel info from: http://www.panelook.com/sizmodlist.php?sizes[]=27.0

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 23:26:16 »
That just made me much more interested. Same panel as ACD with a usable (for me) interface and not f*cking thunderbolt or DP. I do like the look of ACD, just was irritated that I can't use one without replacing my GPU already since I have no DP and there is no such thing as thunderbolt PC side yet either.

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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 23:30:22 »
if someone retailed them in the US for 500 i'd probably buy one in an instant lol

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 23:49:21 »
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if someone retailed them in the US for 500 i'd probably buy one in an instant lol

Yeah, even at $500 it would really shake up the market over here. These monitors aren't for everyone since they are so basic, but most people don't need all the fancy inputs and speakers and such. I actually prefer them more basic...less **** that can break.

BTW, here is a tear down of the top of the line Achieva. It's got all the extra inputs and such but it at least gives you a look into the inside of one of them.

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 05 March 2012, 23:59:06 »
i suspect it's just a matter of time before someone imports these. the viewsonic 23" i have is very obviously a korean rebrand and is retailing for 180 right now; that's like 25% less than the lowest price i've seen the dell 2312hm for, and it's very obviously the same panel (lower grade, natch). it also has the same style stand as the achieva -- i guess the molded plastic job is popular among korean industrial designers right now.

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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 00:08:23 »
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i suspect it's just a matter of time before someone imports these. the viewsonic 23" i have is very obviously a korean rebrand and is retailing for 180 right now; that's like 25% less than the lowest price i've seen the dell 2312hm for, and it's very obviously the same panel (lower grade, natch). it also has the same style stand as the achieva -- i guess the molded plastic job is popular among korean industrial designers right now.

i hope it happens. people don't know what they are missing with IPS. i've been on a TN panel for at least 4 years so i'm really looking forward to the upgrade. anyone who spends more than a few hours on their computer every day deserves one.
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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 08:00:35 »
After using my 30" IPS for the last year I couldnt go back to a TN,  it would be like going back to a 5 dollar dell rubber dome after using a realforce.
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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 14:39:15 »
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I worked in a computer shop for a year, the biggest issue with LCD's I saw was the inverter going out. I can only recall one case where the backlighting went and only a few where the PSU went bad. That's also just excluding cracked screens from drops etc. I personally have yet to have an LCD fail, I had a used LCD TV that had overheating issues but that's about it.

I don't see a group-buy being feasible. And you wouldn't save all that much compared to just buying a single monitor. They retail about $260 in Korea. On top of whatever other fees, the guys selling them for $375 aren't making much after paypal and ebay fees, and shipping it express.

LCD panels are backlit with either LED or CFL. The inverter generates the ~700-1200 V for the CFL from a lower voltage power source provided by the motherboard. This can either be integrated into the logic display connector, or it can be a separate (usually 4 pin) connector that plugs in to the motherboard. In practise, the physical CFL tubes or other fails internally in the panel more often than the inverter, if there is a separate board for it (which is uncommon, but is prevalent in the white and black Macbook 13"). There is a similar "driver" board for LED-backlit panels, but this is also commonly integrated on to the back of the panel in laptops. One notable exception is the Lenovo X220 tablet, which has a separate board driving the LED's. They refer to it as "LED board" in their service manual.

I've only worked for 8 months, but I've seen several backlights go out in computers with separate inverters, but as I said, most inverters are integrated to the panel, and LED drivers are almost always not a separate part.

Computer internal power supplies do go bad, though AC adapters are much more common. Usually if one of the Voltage regulators on the Motherboard that drops the DC from 19V (fujitsu, some gateway, toshiba) or 20V (Lenovo) to 5V or 3.3V then it'll take out enough of the rest of the motherboard, that it'll need to be replaced entirely.

As far as panels failing, it's often from spills, drops, etc. I have seen them go, but usually an entire shift register will drop out, resulting in one or more white bars across the display. It's pretty frequent for me to see this: We get at least one per week. In fact, I just replaced one in a HP ("Compaq") 6710b where the back lighting was perfect, and the panel was broken. Lucky for me, HP ships the entire assembly.

Also, I would say that the cables failing is also relatively common. I have done more than one Apple macbook white where the panel and backlight are great, but the cables have some break internally.

Finally: Not all panels are reliable: The Lenovo X220 tablet and laptop have already gone over 3% for non-damaged screen issues. (We started selling them in the fall.)
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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 15:23:41 »
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Humorously, Apple's parts-ordering system "GSX" told us to back up the hard-drive before replacing the logic board in the Apple Cinema Display.

I lol'd.

And I gotta assume laptop LCD failure rates will be higher just based on the fact they are always being moved around versus a desktop LCD that stays in place.
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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 15:30:18 »
I just might pick one of these up tonight. 2560x1440 IPS at 6ms response for $400 shipped is incredible. Will probably go with the Catleap.
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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 16:14:52 »
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I just might pick one of these up tonight. 2560x1440 IPS at 6ms response for $400 shipped is incredible. Will probably go with the Catleap.

they are more like 9ms GTG. But even 9ms is pretty low for an IPS panel. the cat leap is the way too go since you can get the higher refresh rates though.
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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 16:47:13 »
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they are more like 9ms GTG. But even 9ms is pretty low for an IPS panel. the cat leap is the way too go since you can get the higher refresh rates though.

I'm still fine with 9ms, but am curious where you found that info? All the specs say 6ms.
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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 16:54:28 »
Do they actually output higher than 60hz? Because there were alot of panels that takes 85hz signal and interpolate down to 60hz display.
27" is my favorite, but I wonder where are those 30" rejects? I wouldn't mind 3x30" for an office setup.

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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 16:56:07 »
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Do they actually output higher than 60hz? Because there were alot of panels that takes 85hz signal and interpolate down to 60hz display.
27" is my favorite, but I wonder where are those 30" rejects? I wouldn't mind 3x30" for an office setup.

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Hmm, here's the input rate stuff...  Hmm, 3 posts up is the only direct witness claim of 'no lag I can see'  I was wrong about finding real tests on that one...

Check out the images... apparently that's 'proof' of the additional display rate.  I really dunno.
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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 20:57:16 »
I bit...despite having 3x U2410s.

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« Reply #65 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 21:12:53 »
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I bit...despite having 3x U2410s.

You know the 1440p is gonna spoil you :)
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« Reply #66 on: Tue, 06 March 2012, 22:12:25 »
mid 2011 ACD is an lm270wq2-ads2

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 06:17:58 »
Just bought my Catleap Q270 from dream-seller last night...looking forward to getting it in.

This is a double upgrade for me, since I will be bringing my current LG 1920x1200 24" monitor to work to use instead of my laptop's 1920x1200 17" screen.

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 06:51:33 »
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mid 2011 ACD is an lm270wq2-ads2

Thanks. Maybe I just didn't get enough time with it, or wasn't looking closely enough, but I just couldn't see the benefit over a decent TN panel. Also could be that I just see tons of laptops every day, so all LCD panels start to look the same.

Bytheway, here's my cellphone picture of the ACD "backup your hard drive" thing.
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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 13:23:52 »
all their screens say this all the time because people NEVER BACKUP and then they complain that they lost their term paper/priceless family photos/whatever when they sent their PRECIOUS BROKEN COMBOBULATOR back to apple

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 07 March 2012, 17:30:49 »
I bought one. We'll see how it goes!

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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 13:27:54 »
ugh. 6 days now and my tracking is finally active and my monitor is still in korea. i should have had this by the end of this week :|
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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 08 March 2012, 13:28:52 »
Hmmm, this is what happens when something gets 'found'  annoying but inevitable.
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« Reply #73 on: Sat, 10 March 2012, 17:16:19 »
Is there a value equivalent with the anti-glare coating?

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« Reply #74 on: Sat, 10 March 2012, 17:46:55 »
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Is there a value equivalent with the anti-glare coating?

not that i know of.6
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« Reply #75 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 03:51:51 »
guys,  what is IPS & TN.

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« Reply #76 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 04:50:11 »
I got tempered glass. Hope I don't get any dust.

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« Reply #77 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 04:59:43 »
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I got tempered glass. Hope I don't get any dust.

one guy peeled up the corner of the glass on his and used compressed air to blow the dust away.

why did you pick tempered glass? especially over the catleap Q270 SE that has the higher refresh rates.
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« Reply #78 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 05:38:17 »
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one guy peeled up the corner of the glass on his and used compressed air to blow the dust away.

why did you pick tempered glass? especially over the catleap Q270 SE that has the higher refresh rates.

I dono, I was high. Just chose one :P I wanted the shimian because it seems to be a bit shorter but no idea why on the glass.

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« Reply #79 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 08:13:19 »
Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching. Apparently staples had them on sale for $2.50 a while back. They're identical to the Ergotron Neo-Flexes worth about $50-60 so it's still a good deal. I think I'm going to desk-mount 3 of these though, and am probably going to use some nicer arms, Ergotron MX or LX arm, HP has a version for a bit less ~$75...

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« Reply #80 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 12:12:54 »
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Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching. Apparently staples had them on sale for $2.50 a while back. They're identical to the Ergotron Neo-Flexes worth about $50-60 so it's still a good deal. I think I'm going to desk-mount 3 of these though, and am probably going to use some nicer arms, Ergotron MX or LX arm, HP has a version for a bit less ~$75...

http://imgur.com/a/QCPA3#0

Some pics... My 5870 doesn't play that nice with it though, but apparently one of the reviews noted it as "not compatible". It works in Windows just not at the BIOS level. Seems like this is only a problem with a few cards though, I tried a 9600GT and it was fine.


Do you have enough horsepower to play games at 2560x1440 with your 5870?  I have a 5850 would be worried about only getting 30 fps in bf3 :P
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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 12:22:06 »
Well my previous monitor was a Dell 3007WFP-HC which is at 2560 x 1600... I get decent frame-rates in BF3 (45-60+) on highish settings... There are moments when it drops but it's pretty good, BF3 is CPU/Ram heavy too and I'm set on that front (i5-750 @ 3.8ghz, and 16GB @ 1440mhz).

But I'm still planning on upgrading, probably to Kepler if it's reasonably priced, maybe 2 of them if I get 2 more Q270's for a triple setup.

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« Reply #82 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 14:55:28 »
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Mine arrived on Friday... and I saw BiNiaRiS bought the stand off ebay I was watching.

Ugh, dream-seller really dropped the ball on shipping them out. I ordered on march 2nd and you got yours before me. I'm hoping mine gets here tomorrow. The latest update I have is that it left customs.


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« Reply #83 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 16:43:07 »
Yea, I only bought from green-sum because they were $25 cheaper than Dreamseller, turns out they had better packaging and faster shipping. Lucked out I guess.

I was about to bid on one of those but thought I'd wait it out if I was going to be buying a better mount later. Then I thought I'd check craigslist and found the Ergotron version for $10 NIB from some guy 5 minutes away. So I'll be picking that up tomorrow and trying it out. The stock Catleap stand is a joke, thing wobbles at the slightest touch. In the long-run I think I'll get 3 x Ergotron LX mounts. They're expensive ~$110 each, but they have 5yr warranties, support ~20lbs each and are super adjustable. They'll probably outlast the Catleap's.

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« Reply #84 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 16:51:47 »
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Yea, I only bought from green-sum because they were $25 cheaper than Dreamseller, turns out they had better packaging and faster shipping. Lucked out I guess.

I was about to bid on one of those but thought I'd wait it out if I was going to be buying a better mount later. Then I thought I'd check craigslist and found the Ergotron version for $10 NIB from some guy 5 minutes away. So I'll be picking that up tomorrow and trying it out. The stock Catleap stand is a joke, thing wobbles at the slightest touch. In the long-run I think I'll get 3 x Ergotron LX mounts. They're expensive ~$110 each, but they have 5yr warranties, support ~20lbs each and are super adjustable. They'll probably outlast the Catleap's.

i also bought it at $414. dream-seller is supposed to credit me $14, but even then, they've still dropped in price a ton in one week.
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« Reply #85 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 17:20:58 »
Shoot, the Catleap listing ended. I guess I'm not upgrading to IPS for a while.
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« Reply #86 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 17:25:00 »
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Shoot, the Catleap listing ended. I guess I'm not upgrading to IPS for a while.

Just search for Catleap Q270, there are tons of them. These are common monitors sold in Korea... actually retail about $260-280. But it costs about $80-90 to ship them over here to the US, along with paypal/ebay fees these resellers aren't making a whole lot.

Offline BiNiaRiS

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« Reply #87 on: Sun, 11 March 2012, 23:59:09 »
woo my monitor is in portland. i'll have it tomorrow and will post my thoughts.
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« Reply #88 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 00:47:17 »
Nice, I don't know if you looked up the specs before, but it looks like those Ergotron Neo-Flex stands will just barely support the Catleaps, even in Portrait mode. Which is one I want to try out... might need multiple monitors before portrait becomes useful with programming.

Offline BiNiaRiS

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« Reply #89 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 01:04:29 »
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Nice, I don't know if you looked up the specs before, but it looks like those Ergotron Neo-Flex stands will just barely support the Catleaps, even in Portrait mode. Which is one I want to try out... might need multiple monitors before portrait becomes useful with programming.

the main review i was going off of was a guy that had a u3011 on it and said it worked like a charm. 1.5x time the "supported" weight with no issues. if it doesn't work well i can resell it easily enough. i'll be using it in landscape 99% of the time.
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Offline TheProfosist

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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 01:56:17 »
Is this one have tempered glass or not? I would prefer the one without. It is also the cheapest i found on ebay and i think someone used this seller before. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAMAKASI-CATLEAP-Q270-SE-27-LED-2560X1440-WQHD-DVI-D-Dual-Computer-Monitor-/110834882557

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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 02:14:14 »
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Is this one have tempered glass or not? I would prefer the one without. It is also the cheapest i found on ebay and i think someone used this seller before. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-YAMAKASI-CATLEAP-Q270-SE-27-LED-2560X1440-WQHD-DVI-D-Dual-Computer-Monitor-/110834882557

that's the same one i bought. not tempered glass.
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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 02:22:31 »
Is it wall mountable?

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Offline BiNiaRiS

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« Reply #93 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 03:15:33 »
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Is it wall mountable?

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yes
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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 07:28:15 »
has anyone that bough the monitor on GH been able to confirm the higher refresh rates?

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« Reply #95 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 07:35:18 »
Quote from: BiNiaRiS;543020
the main review i was going off of was a guy that had a u3011 on it and said it worked like a charm. 1.5x time the "supported" weight with no issues. if it doesn't work well i can resell it easily enough. i'll be using it in landscape 99% of the time.

If the Neo-Flex is spring supported like the LX mount I have then it may work just fine early in it's life... but over time you'll slowly kill it's ability to support the weight.
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Offline Blazestorm

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« Reply #96 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 11:33:24 »
Well the Ergotron's do have 5yr warranties.

Even then, this monitor isn't going over it's weight capacity so you should be fine.

Offline snowboarder3

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« Reply #97 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 13:49:02 »
just got my shimian, can't get it to display **** with my 6950 2gb

Offline bavman

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« Reply #98 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 13:58:48 »
Does it work with a laptop or another desktop?

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« Reply #99 on: Mon, 12 March 2012, 14:47:26 »
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Does it work with a laptop or another desktop?
Tried it with my roommates 6950 2gb and no dice. Might have been using wrong port though. Going to test on the other port when he finishes this LoL match.