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« Reply #120 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 11:22:26 »
where's the photo you've seen of the pure board?

also oneproduct if you can give me a dxf of the mounting plate i can talk to a plastics place.

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« Reply #121 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 11:47:54 »
Yea, having it be compatible with the pure certainly wouldn't make me not buy it. I just don't like the sound of a few week delay. I'm an American of the 21st century, I hate waiting for things and want immediate gratification lol.

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 11:51:41 »
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Yea, having it be compatible with the pure certainly wouldn't make me not buy it. I just don't like the sound of a few week delay. I'm an American of the 21st century, I hate waiting for things and want immediate gratification lol.

I'm an American Amazon Prime subscriber, and frankly anything taking longer than two days to reach my doorstep is unacceptable.

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« Reply #124 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 11:54:13 »
Here's where I linked the pictures of the Pure: http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28730-Taking-payments-Aluminum-poker-case&p=551498&viewfull=1#post551498

dxf stands for what precisely? I'll try to get you the measurements in any case.

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Okay, well I won't delay this case for the Pure then, but I think I'll go ahead and try to tap an extra screw hole in the middle and cut out another chunk for where the new IC is in the picture.

Also, if anybody is really that worried about anything, feel free to about it either here or with me in PMs and if worse comes to worse I can always refund your money on paypal.
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« Reply #125 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 12:08:02 »
actually i think you're right, we should be able to make it compatible based on these pictures (although keep in mind this may not be the final board design, i suspect it's close enough). i'll pull my poker apart tonight and take some measurements and pictures

any kind of measurement accurate image file of the plate design (once we get these changes made) will be fine. just something i can send over to a plastics place to get a quote.

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« Reply #126 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 13:07:05 »
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 I think I'll go ahead and try to tap an extra screw hole in the middle and cut out another chunk for where the new IC is in the picture.


Just go easy when you talk about taking out chunks lol. Easy to take away, hard to put back; if you know what I mean...

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« Reply #127 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 13:11:08 »
oh, if i could get files for the outer big too that would help the plating place (although the more i think about it the more i think you should just get plating/finishing done locally)

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« Reply #128 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 13:22:15 »
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oh, if i could get files for the outer big too that would help the plating place (although the more i think about it the more i think you should just get plating/finishing done locally)

Yea, that was my thought. I mean if the insert is being tacked in. That would be something you would then have to get undone, the get the finish put on, then redo before you shipped out to us.

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« Reply #129 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 14:26:39 »
well, they can powdercoat over the tacking, but it won't look as clean. anyway it simplifies everything if oneproduct has it done, and significantly simplifies logistics

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« Reply #130 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:13:07 »
I'll see what I can do, but can't promise anything. Keep in mind that if I can do coloring over here, I'm going to try to keep things easiest for the metalworking place. Things are being done by hand in a sort of assembly line fashion with all the work being done at once. If I have to get the two separate pieces made and then colored and then bring them back at a later time to have them tacked together, that would probably change what it costs.

So if some coloring is done, it would be with the two pieces stuck together, unless you specifically told me you don't want the two pieces attached and will worry about attaching them on your own (a few people have asked for this in their PMs). I don't know if having the two pieces together would cause a problem for the coloring place, but just to bring up possibilities, in the worse case scenario perhaps they wouldn't be able to color the inside part of the case, which, if hypothetically was the case, I think would still be fine since it's not visible anyways with the keyboard inside. Anyways, I'll try to get more information about the coloring... hmm... maybe this Friday.

mkawa, if you are going to be looking at the underside of your poker, could you give me measurements in millimeters from the center of the top left screw hole (with the bottom side of the PCB facing up; this would be the screw hole that has no horizontal play to it) to the midpoint of G and H? I'll be doing so as well but it would be nice to have a second set of measurements for confirmation. I would need both a horizontal and vertical distance of course. If you're feeling ambitious maybe you could even offer a guess for the chunk that would need to be cut out for the Pure's second IC near the spacebar, with measurements again given relative that same screw hole. I like using that screw hole for relative measurements because of how absolute it is.
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« Reply #131 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:18:36 »
maybe we should revisit not having them tacked then...

if that the full set of measurements that you want? i'll take it apart tonight (using it right now lol)

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« Reply #132 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:37:47 »
I think tacking is still the better way to go, but if anybody would prefer to not have theirs tacked at all and then worry about attaching the two pieces together on their own later (by gluing; or I could do this for them afterwards if needed) then it's no problem for me to have some tacked and some not. But anyways, this was just a hypothesis, for all I know there's not going to be any problem having them colored while attached. I'll let you know for sure when I go and take a peek.

And yup, those are the only two new measurements I would need. Would just like to have someone else to compare to when I take my own to see if I'm about right.
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« Reply #133 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:41:25 »
what do you think are the advantages of having them tacked? it's not like these plates are going to see enough shear force to rip glue, and the tacking is usually visible even under paint since it leaves a little lump of solder...

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« Reply #134 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 15:55:11 »
The tack should be under the board and hardly noticeable.  Are they mig tacking aluminium?

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« Reply #135 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 16:04:08 »
actually you make a good point. i assumed the tacking would be on the side of the plate somewhere. maybe it won't be? probably important information.

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« Reply #136 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 16:09:03 »
Yea, there's no way that you'd really rip the metal insert from glue, which is why that is a fine alternative. It's a bit harder to ensure that gluing is done properly compared to tacking, but other than that and a more "professional" air to it, there's nothing really I suppose. But in any case, the tacking would only be on the inside of the case, so it's not something that you would see with a keyboard sitting in it. If people are worried about what the paint job looks like on the inside of their case which can't even be seen, well... I think that's just a bit too much.

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actually you make a good point. i assumed the tacking would be on the side of the plate somewhere. maybe it won't be? probably important information.

What they do is that they cut little lines out of the metal insert and then tack from there to the bottom of the case, so there's nothing along the edges, it would all be hidden underneath the keyboard.

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Are they mig tacking aluminium?

I'm not really aware of the different ways of tacking, this isn't really my specialty. I'd have to ask.
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« Reply #137 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 17:23:11 »
I'm not trying to insult anybody's intelligence but I'll try to explain what I'm saying.  Tacking (with MiG) is like putting a setting nail or temporary hold on two pieces of metal.  It's typically done so that you can then lay a seem to connect two pieces of metal with another piece of metal.  MiG is not the easiest on aluminium.

Here: So everybody knows what a tack is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50XejJZ9Dw4

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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 19:08:35 »
Order sent via PM and Payment sent as well. End of line.

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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 19:48:47 »
yay meta

you're not insulting anyone's intelligence dipping. none of us are very familiar with machineshops here (except for a few people who aren't participating)

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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 21 March 2012, 23:50:38 »
Although TIG is the go to for aluminum I have seen good MIG welds of aluminum. I have not tried aluminum on my MIG-Welder yet it is my understanding as long as you are using the proper shielding gas and enough flow of gas to prevent contamination of the weld you are golden. It obviously doesnt look as good as weld done by an experienced TIG welder.

Plus a few well placed tack welds are probably all you need considering what we are welding. A proper tack weld DOES have proper penetration of both metals.

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« Reply #141 on: Thu, 22 March 2012, 06:26:56 »
^ Word.  I've tried MiG with aluminium with little success (for S's and G's).  A tack should be fine though.  Back to cases, I would like to have us all on one page.

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« Reply #142 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 06:03:15 »
Bumping this for the weekend. Seems like lots of people just bought pokers from both a group buy here and the classifieds so maybe they'd be interested. Probably just going to keep this open until Friday before I submit the order.
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« Reply #143 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 06:28:15 »
I might consider buying this if there's ever a second GB as I like to know exactly what I'm paying for before I buy it

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« Reply #144 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 08:53:16 »
This will be the only one from me sadly, especially since after this I really don't think there would be enough people with Pokers left to generate sufficient order sizes. I understand everyone's concerns though, and trust me, I'm the most concerned. I want to try to make sure everybody is happy and would feel really bad if I somehow messed up and became hated on geekhack. :(

Hope this attempt to offer a service to the community doesn't bite me in the ass!

Edit: I believe there will be a second prototype for me to look at since they changed the design a bit. If I can get some pictures/video of it before the order date I'll put it up to help people decide if they want to jump in, but if not I'll probably order a few extra (probably no more than 3).
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« Reply #145 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 08:57:25 »
I don't see how anyone could hate you over this? Its a generous thing you're doing, but just not everyone's cuppa.

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« Reply #146 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 09:08:00 »
Well, I'm just worried that people won't be happy with the end product and will feel cheated of their money. I swear I'm going to die of stress each time I read through all the little comments for changes or additions that people want. :s

I'm just trying to offer a simple metal case lol.
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« Reply #147 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 09:12:54 »
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Well, I'm just worried that people won't be happy with the end product and will feel cheated of their money. I swear I'm going to die of stress each time I read through all the little comments for changes or additions that people want. :s

I'm just trying to offer a simple metal case lol.

Haha calm down. People should know by now its not perfect, and by paying they are taking the gamble. If they don't like it they can sell it to someone else who appreciates it more.

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« Reply #148 on: Sat, 24 March 2012, 10:08:05 »
got 2 pokers in marc's gb. looks like i'll need 3 cases.

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« Reply #149 on: Sun, 25 March 2012, 15:45:45 »
Any updates on powder coating availability?
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