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Offline Lucifer

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The infamous Filco ping?
« on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:13:09 »
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Some people recommended me to buy a CMstorm Quickfire Rapid as it was some sort of a clone of Filco, but Im used to being a perfectionist, and as one, I always look for the best possible. The latter part brings up another question as you can imagine, is Filco the best possible board you can buy as the majority of owners/addicts/people say? Does it have any other flaws except that ugly ping?

the other options were/are CM Storm Qckfire and SS 6Gv2, but as I said, I always go for the best. It is quite expensive for me though, the Filco, especially considering I live in Bulgaria(I'm sure none of you have ever heard of that country lol), BUT I'll save as much as I need to in order to buy it, unless it has other flaws which could lead to break the deal.

So help guys.

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:32:50 »
Only issue I have ever had with a filco is alignment of the keys/switches. Even then only with cherry doubleshots I noticed it. I think the ping people are just whiners

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Offline Zamorph

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 16:39:07 »
Honestly, don't even worry about ping.

Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:05:34 »
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Excellent first question.

Good luck in seeking the truth.

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Only issue I have ever had with a filco is alignment of the keys/switches. Even then only with cherry doubleshots I noticed it. I think the ping people are just whiners

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What do you mean by 'alignment'?

Quote from: Zamorph;559621
Honestly, don't even worry about ping.

I always make a 'little' investigation before I buy things, and that's what I'm doing now, so I worry about everything relevant to this. So actually, you are kinda telling me there is a chance of me getting a pinging keyboard? Did I get it right?

Offline suprsmo

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 17:45:00 »
That group is cool. made some decent tracks..

My A key on my camo filco pings like crazy.. but i love it regardless..
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 18:12:33 »
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Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 18:55:19 »
Perfectionism aside, I would think twice about dismissing the CMStorm QF so quickly since it is currently the cheapest TKL MX Blue keyboard I've been able to find.  Get it out of your head that it's a "filco clone".  Filco and the CMStorm QF (along with some other boards) share the same OEM, and thus share the same core components.  With that said, I have yet to experience this "ping" and, to be honest, I'm not listening for it and it's not something I'm really concerned with because if Filco boards ping then other boards based on the same technology (Cherry MX Switch) will "ping".  

The only moving part is the friggin' switch so it's the only thing I can think of that can cause this "ping".  Unless, of course, someone has evidence that it's somehow a correlation of the MX Switch and the Filco logo that causes this "issue" to be isolated to Filco boards only...
« Last Edit: Wed, 28 March 2012, 18:58:50 by Erick_C »

Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:09:21 »
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That was KL and Redpill's view and I respect alternate viewpoints.
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Which view is that?  1)  the only thing that can make noise is the switch 2) it's a combination of the swith and the logo

I'm not arguing the existence of the "ping" and, to tell you the truth, I haven't read too much into it, I'm just stating what makes sense to me.  Which is: If Filco's have a "ping" then other boards will have a "ping".  

BTW, I'm sure if I hit a key on my keyboard hard enough and if I really listen for it, I can cause one of the keys to emit a sound similar to a "ping".  The switches have springs.  Springs are metal.  Metal vibrates.  The vibration can be perceived by some as a "ping".  Perception is choice.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:16:28 »
Quote from: Lucifer;559590
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Some people recommended me to buy a CMstorm Quickfire Rapid as it was some sort of a clone of Filco, but Im used to being a perfectionist, and as one, I always look for the best possible. The latter part brings up another question as you can imagine, is Filco the best possible board you can buy as the majority of owners/addicts/people say? Does it have any other flaws except that ugly ping?

the other options were/are CM Storm Qckfire and SS 6Gv2, but as I said, I always go for the best. It is quite expensive for me though, the Filco, especially considering I live in Bulgaria(I'm sure none of you have ever heard of that country lol), BUT I'll save as much as I need to in order to buy it, unless it has other flaws which could lead to break the deal.

So help guys.

A perfectionist is really just another term for being super-anal.  

Filcos are far from perfect..

EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.

Some keys might ping worse than others.

You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.

----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding

----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.

----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.

If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound

It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping
« Last Edit: Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:19:18 by tp4tissue »

Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 19:58:16 »
^ holy crap... how did I miss reading "The McRip Effect"? :rofl:

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:02:30 »
nvm
« Last Edit: Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:09:34 by Awful »
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Offline keyboardnoob

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« Reply #11 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:21:03 »
I still have nightmare about the ping. It also depends on the surface underneath your keyboard, room temperature , etc.
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Offline Tony

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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 20:28:30 »
Perfectionism can lead you to God and enlightenment.

By listening carefully to the ping sound, you can hear something that God of keyboard is trying to tell you about your future and the future of mankind.

I am all ears.
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Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #13 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:03:56 »
Quote from: keyboardnoob;559810
I still have nightmare about the ping. It also depends on the surface underneath your keyboard, room temperature , etc.


Seriously!?  "etc."  There are other factors to the "Filco Ping"?

Offline ty_moon

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:07:33 »
Some Filco boards do ping (I own 4 Filcos). Das keyboards do not have the same problem.

The ping does get better in time, and if you put your keyboard on a mousepad and wear headphones, you won't hear it. Good luck.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:16:12 »
Quote from: Tony;559817
Perfectionism can lead you to God and enlightenment.

By listening carefully to the ping sound, you can hear something that God of keyboard is trying to tell you about your future and the future of mankind.

I am all ears.
'

Many people have confirmed that the keyboard pings have told them to assassinate all religious leaders of dissenting religion.. except for the keyboard relgion of course..

Also ,, you can curve bullets by making sure to only use a gun while cradling a mechanical keyboard in the other hand.;



the scientific rational for this phenomena is that the bullet's path will be affected by the excitement of gravitons in the keyboard as it is rotate about one's torso.
« Last Edit: Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:18:34 by tp4tissue »

Offline codersean

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« Reply #16 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 21:59:33 »
I have not heard a ping on my Filco but that doesn't mean it isn't there. What is probably more important is ambient noise and how good your hearing is.
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Offline 1839cc

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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 28 March 2012, 22:56:11 »
I can make my Leopold ping if I try.

My watch also pings. Seems to be a phenomenon affecting metal things with springs. Hmmmm.
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Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 04:49:41 »
Quote from: dante;559668
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron.  Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.

[video=youtube;2lk4EUzsC-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lk4EUzsC-g[/video]

lol. Yes, we've got a few famous Bulgarians, like Hristo Stoichkov (if you've watched soccer and World Cup 1994' USA in particular; and Berbatov who is another footballer currently playing at Manchester United, however, I hate them both. lol)

anyway, on topic now.

Quote from: Erick_C;559748
Perfectionism aside, I would think twice about dismissing the CMStorm QF so quickly since it is currently the cheapest TKL MX Blue keyboard I've been able to find.  Get it out of your head that it's a "filco clone".  Filco and the CMStorm QF (along with some other boards) share the same OEM, and thus share the same core components.  With that said, I have yet to experience this "ping" and, to be honest, I'm not listening for it and it's not something I'm really concerned with because if Filco boards ping then other boards based on the same technology (Cherry MX Switch) will "ping".  

The only moving part is the friggin' switch so it's the only thing I can think of that can cause this "ping".  Unless, of course, someone has evidence that it's somehow a correlation of the MX Switch and the Filco logo that causes this "issue" to be isolated to Filco boards only...

Exactly. So thats why I started this thread,  to collect experienced opinions and eventually to come up with decision on what keyboard is worth the money I'm gonna pay for it. So it's not just the Browns that ping, its all of them Cherrys.. Thats what I needed to know, so getting a Filco with blacks will not assure me of getting a pingless keyboard. Thanks.


Quote from: Erick_C;559759
Which view is that?  1)  the only thing that can make noise is the switch 2) it's a combination of the swith and the logo

I'm not arguing the existence of the "ping" and, to tell you the truth, I haven't read too much into it, I'm just stating what makes sense to me.  Which is: If Filco's have a "ping" then other boards will have a "ping".  

BTW, I'm sure if I hit a key on my keyboard hard enough and if I really listen for it, I can cause one of the keys to emit a sound similar to a "ping".  The switches have springs.  Springs are metal.  Metal vibrates.  The vibration can be perceived by some as a "ping".  Perception is choice.

Another equal statement. Thanks.


Quote from: tp4tissue;559765
A perfectionist is really just another term for being super-anal.  

Filcos are far from perfect..

EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.

Some keys might ping worse than others.

You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.

----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding

----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.

----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.

If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound

It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping

Thank you.


Quote from: ripster;559774
Oh. The McRip Effect is my personal opinion.

But there is always SOMEBODY on the InterToobs that disagrees with me.

My iPad is now DEFINITELY silent after going to settings>general>keyboard click.

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So you are saying that all that 'ping issue' is an illusion? Sorry I wasn't born American/British and can't fully understand it all, but from what I've read, it says that it is illusion in our minds/ears.




_ So, all in all, buying a Filco is not the best decision after all? I thought it is the best keyboard brand, well maybe it still is, but it is not perfect after all. But the most interesting question is how could all those scientists/hardware specialists/gurus/manufacturers NOT find the right solution, and make a pingless keyboard? The whole world is now made of metal, but we dont hear all of that pinging and ringing.. I cannot understand this.

So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_

Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 05:20:47 »
Quote from: Lucifer;560186
The whole world is now made of metal, but we dont hear all of that pinging and ringing.. I cannot understand this.
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_

Put all that metal in a position where it will, may, or could be struck by something and it'll ping...

Quote from: Lucifer;560186
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_

They're manufactured by the same OEM.  The difference comes in when they're finally assembled; case, caps, logos, etc.
If it's available with blacks where you're at and you can tolerate the over-branding then there's absolutely no reason not to get the CM Storm QF.  It simply is the cheapest solution for a TKL.
Anything beyond that is personal preference.

Offline Surly73

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:06:29 »
Quote from: Lucifer;559590
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.


Back in the day I watched the various youtube videos and other materials presented by those plagued by ping and I definitely heard it.  My Filco doesn't ping in any way I've heard, however, so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Filcos always ping.  Some of the videos I saw were pretty bad, and I'd be annoyed by it too.

If you buy from somewhere like Amazon, you can always return it.  If you buy from the GH classifieds you'll save a bunch of money and can probably sell it for what you paid for it.

Offline stingrae

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:09:15 »
This ping hysterisis is partly to blame for me having two keyboads.

What do you think happens when you have a metal plate with a metal spring and plastic key hitting it at a certain temperature or on a certain surface? PCB mounted switches shouldn't ping as a result.

The filco I had, the CM Storm and the Noppoo all PING to varying degrees mostly around the p[;' region BUT for most conditions you have to be really really close hitting the key really really hard. In a nutshell ping doesn't exist for someone typing like a normal person.

I can't make my quickfire ping today but I am not at home so my desk has changed as has the room temp etc.

Filco and CM differ by Logos, warranties and features (The camo matches features almost though) though I doubt anyone often needs to take filco up on a warranty request.

If the look doesn't bother you a CM storm quickfire is a really awesome keyboard but you will probably want to get a different set of keycaps sooner than you might for a filco due to the printing method used. The biggest problem with CM Storm is the region basing of the switches I can only get blues and blacks where I am.

I've read a few issues with steelseries boards, I am yet to spot one actual problem with the quickfire rapid and there are hardly any with Ficos.

In short ping shouldn't affect your choice. Style, switch and budget should. Personally won't ever bother with blacks switches effectively blues without tactility and more springyness...
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Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:20:44 »
Quote from: Erick_C;560207
Put all that metal in a position where it will, may, or could be struck by something and it'll ping...



They're manufactured by the same OEM.  The difference comes in when they're finally assembled; case, caps, logos, etc.
If it's available with blacks where you're at and you can tolerate the over-branding then there's absolutely no reason not to get the CM Storm QF.  It simply is the cheapest solution for a TKL.
Anything beyond that is personal preference.

Thing is... we dont have anything else apart from Logitech/A4tech/****ty membrane rubber dome keyboards.. Thats the problem. We have a few(I think 2) companies that sell SteelSeries and Razer products, but when I contacted both of them about 6Gv2, they both didnt have it. Said they expect new batches at the end of March at the earliest. But since I'm not interested in 6Gv2 anymore, I dont care if they have it or not. So the only option I have is buying a keyboard from keyboardco.com or Amazon.. which will cost me a fortune, but I dont have another option. So thats it really.

Well, I find TKL keyboards cool, and rather comfortable. I dont really use those numbers on the right EXCEPT for the Enter key at the bottom right. I reaaaaaaaally love that key, because when I use the mouse to select/do things (and because I hold my mouse right next to the numkeys when browsing) it's easier to press that enter button instead of releasing the mouse and going for the big enter key below the backspace) But hey, I'd have to make some sacrifices, so it's not a dealbreaker for me. I'll get used to it.

Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 06:28:44 »
Quote from: Surly73;560232
Back in the day I watched the various youtube videos and other materials presented by those plagued by ping and I definitely heard it.  My Filco doesn't ping in any way I've heard, however, so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Filcos always ping.  Some of the videos I saw were pretty bad, and I'd be annoyed by it too.

If you buy from somewhere like Amazon, you can always return it.  If you buy from the GH classifieds you'll save a bunch of money and can probably sell it for what you paid for it.

Yes, I've watched some videos too, and some of those were awful.


Quote from: stingrae;560234
This ping hysterisis is partly to blame for me having two keyboads.

What do you think happens when you have a metal plate with a metal spring and plastic key hitting it at a certain temperature or on a certain surface? PCB mounted switches shouldn't ping as a result.

The filco I had, the CM Storm and the Noppoo all PING to varying degrees mostly around the p[;' region BUT for most conditions you have to be really really close hitting the key really really hard. In a nutshell ping doesn't exist for someone typing like a normal person.

I can't make my quickfire ping today but I am not at home so my desk has changed as has the room temp etc.

Filco and CM differ by Logos, warranties and features (The camo matches features almost though) though I doubt anyone often needs to take filco up on a warranty request.

If the look doesn't bother you a CM storm quickfire is a really awesome keyboard but you will probably want to get a different set of keycaps sooner than you might for a filco due to the printing method used. The biggest problem with CM Storm is the region basing of the switches I can only get blues and blacks where I am.

I've read a few issues with steelseries boards, I am yet to spot one actual problem with the quickfire rapid and there are hardly any with Ficos.

In short ping shouldn't affect your choice. Style, switch and budget should. Personally won't ever bother with blacks switches effectively blues without tactility and more springyness...

Yes, see my previous post. I find it difficult to buy anything besides Logitech/A4tech and all that crap.

Well money is not really the problem (Lol, Joking it is a huge problem), because I dont buy keyboards every day. I will buy this and I doubt I will buy another soon after that. So, I will save the needed amount of money and I will spend it on a keyboard, no doubt. The question is, would that be a Filco or QF.

Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 11:14:41 »
btw, can anyone tell me how much would cost if I buy a filco from amazon.com and I mean all of it, shipping+vat+other expenses.. Only people with credit/debit cards can view the final price, I believe its right before making the purchase, like a final step before that. I cannot use my debit card, not sure why, and my friend is out of the city atm.

and btw, where can I buy CM Storm QF with Blacks?

Offline Erick_C

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 21:48:38 »
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http://www.overclock.net/t/1235745/the-infamous-filco-ping

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1.  Since I'm the one who state that the CM Storm is not a "filco clone", thanks for mentioning me in your other thread (I guess).  Again... both keyboards are from the same OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) and share the same core components but are hardly clones of each other.

2.  You're getting the same answers from GH as OC.net.  Imagine that.  Iomania.co.kr and KBDMania.net haven't heard your story yet... if you want to bug more people about this, I'm sure they'd be interested... note: both sites are Korean.

3.  The whole credit card thing should be a big red flag.  Why don't you consider buying from a retailer closer to Bulgaria than the US.  In all honesty, international shipping is hard enough to deal with without having to deal with shipping over continents.  Why not shop from Amazon UK?  You may find it easier to shop from a vendor who's used to dealing with shipping in or around EU (returns may be much much much simpler).

4.  I cruised around "Goldenbook" to see if any e-tailers exist in your area.  You're right, Bulgaria is in-love with Logitech and A4.

Offline NorrisB

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 23:00:36 »
This should answer your question with regard to the Filco ping The McRip Effect

Offline stingrae

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 00:45:56 »
One possibillity is to try find an EU store that ships internationally for say a quickfire (though not many stores have it I think)

There's always keyboardco but shipping would make it cost 138 min. Alternately maybe qtan could ship a keycool 87 there not the best board by anymeans due to the spacebar sizing and being a new chinese brand but otherwise looks kinda nice..would take time to get there but well...
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Offline Lucifer

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 04:45:49 »
Well, I tried with Amazon but it said something similar to "It couldn't  be sent to your adress" or I dont know.. My friend told me that.


So I should try with keyboardco. Just one thing,





Is this price 140 pounds, is it a final price? Or there will be other expenses?

and what's best to select in Dispatch via?

Offline ty_moon

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 05:02:59 »
I'm going to try the insulating foam trick on my old Filco to see if it gets rid of the ringing.