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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:23:53 »
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You try touchtyping on an iPad sometime.

It was humbling.

The key is Zen.


And a healthy trust in the auto-correct.  I can quasi-touch type on my tablet.  Basic words are OK, but punctuation requires looking at the keyboard.


Offline laffindude

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:26:06 »
I can't type on a tablet. Only input that was acceptable was when I played with handwriting recognition on EP121. I wanted one pretty badly but never actually bought one. Now that I seen iPad3's screen. Ya I am not buying a tablet until it can match iPad's resolution.

Offline pitashen

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:29:45 »
mmm... a lot of stuff we do regarding to the mech boards are beyond our necessities, but that doesn't mean mech board is not better in a lot of typing aspects in practice.
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Offline tp4tissue

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 15:56:02 »
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mmm... a lot of stuff we do regarding to the mech boards are beyond our necessities, but that doesn't mean mech board is not better in a lot of typing aspects in practice.


We can throw around these intangible what ifs all day,,

Offline pitashen

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 16:08:17 »
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We can throw around these intangible what ifs all day,,

you started this whole ifs thing. guess u haven't had enough such that this thread is still open for all the  tossing around of our views and comments :)
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Offline Squelos

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 16:52:31 »
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You took me completely out of context.



By no means do I ever want to mess up my code, god that would be terrible especially since even as a research student I have deadlines in the form of meetings and tasks. The last thing i'd want is to have to redo code from scratch.

I was refering that you are far more dependant on experience and state of mind then the peripherals you use. Sometimes there are people who have a completely natural grasp of coding but I think most of the experienced programmers fall into the guru myth. Having seen programmers with 2 years more experience than their fellow beginners they progress faster and have a better grasp on problems. While this is obvious I think a lot of people can assign genius to experience.

Oh, sorry I misunderstood you.

I do know that in the end, it doenst come down to your keyboard. But if we follow this way of thinking, you could also just use a visual keyboard, and click on every char.

When you are working on some thing, the last thing you want to think about is defective material. It just drives me wonkers when typing on a rubber dome because :
- within weeks of use, it gets crappy and harder
- it doesnt register 100% of the keys
- You dont know if it registered, so you have to look at what you are typing (being able to look at your class diagram and write a whole class by just looking at the diagram is pretty nice)
- to get closer to the 100% key hit, you press harder, and therefore stress your fingers.


I believe most of us here, just hate rubber domes now, because we all have tried mechanicals. Better layouts, better feel, better everything (even better on cost sometimes :D)

So being able to just concentrate on your work, in my opinion is great.

And to bounce off the guru myth, yeah, I totally agree. I'm still a student myself, but during my last few summers, I managed to get hired in order to do some short developments.
I have seen so many "devs" that are just ... aweful. I cant believe these guys got employed a year ago, and still havent been fired. On my last intership, I got one of the two developpers fired because : "the intern is like 5 times better than you".
But then this is France, we arent known to have the best developpers.
In order to sum up : I totally agree, some people have it in them, but most just dont. I can see it in my class, most of the students are here because they believe games are cool.

To the guy saying we dont just love keyboards, yes, I love my computer in general. Screens, mousepad, mouse, chair, height of the desk, headset, OS. Pretty much all our tools actually.

Offline tp4tissue

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 19:15:11 »
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you started this whole ifs thing. guess u haven't had enough such that this thread is still open for all the  tossing around of our views and comments :)


I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..

I mean, come on,

personalized key-caps to adorn our keyboards

brand loyalty

matching accessories

___topre tkl
____topre numpad

___cherry tkl
____cherry numpad

Offline pitashen

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« Reply #37 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:02:37 »
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I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..


That is how our current world operates. Welcome to the reality. You don't have to get into all these, but to be honest, there is no amount of things u can say that would stop others (like me~) from... being a keyboard ****.
« Last Edit: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:04:55 by pitashen »
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Online IvanIvanovich

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« Reply #38 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:25:27 »
There are many things to make hobbies from. If you are bored of this and have found the keyboard that is best fit for you, and you have no interest in the extras like keycaps and so on, you are free to stop visiting here.

Hobbies are merely something to sink spare time and money into, if it no longer satisfy and you have filled your need there is nothing more to do with it. There are lots of things here that don't particularly interest me anymore. I know what switches I like, so thats done. I know what keycaps I like so that is done, mostly. So why do I stick around? I have fun here, trading, and sharing my opinions and knowledge with others that enjoy using good equipment or seeking to acquire better equipment. Same reason I have been member and active on other general computer forums for so long. I see keyboards as a small subsection of computer hobby. Saying domes and mechanicals is same is like saying onboard Intel and top end nvidia is same, or VIA Eden is as good as Intel Ivy Bridge. Hardware enthusiasm is hardware enthusiasm, and if you want a high quality system it doesn't end inside the computer case.
Maybe there are some that are 'too enthusiastic' maybe you see me as on of those, but that is up to you, if you don't like something you can ignore it and carry on instead of rubbing sand in your clit.

Online metafour

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« Reply #39 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 20:34:30 »
Quote from: tp4tissue;560928
I agree with most of you' guys'es comments.  It's just hard because I'm witnessing this hobby turning into mere fashion-slave consumerism..

I mean, come on,

personalized key-caps to adorn our keyboards

brand loyalty

matching accessories

___topre tkl
____topre numpad

___cherry tkl
____cherry numpad

Wow. Just wow.

I'll just leave these here.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27874-Typing-Games-Love-to-type&p=530012&viewfull=1#post530012

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27473-Ragnarok-Red-on-Black-87-104-Keyset-Order-Thread-MONEY-SENT-ETA-APRIL-10TH&p=537617&viewfull=1#post537617

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27473-Ragnarok-Red-on-Black-87-104-Keyset-Order-Thread-MONEY-SENT-ETA-APRIL-10TH&p=537253&viewfull=1#post537253

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« Reply #40 on: Thu, 29 March 2012, 22:09:14 »
I like the way my keyboard feels.  I like the way my PBT caps feel.  Both were a worthwhile investment so far.  In 2 years when they still feel this good vs. the rubberdome that turned to painful crap in that much time, I'll know the entire answer.
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Offline tp4tissue

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 08:45:59 »
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I like the way my keyboard feels.  I like the way my PBT caps feel.  Both were a worthwhile investment so far.  In 2 years when they still feel this good vs. the rubberdome that turned to painful crap in that much time, I'll know the entire answer.

they will almost certainly feel 5g lighter if they're cherrymx

Offline Surly73

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 09:18:06 »
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Also you are forgetting that if your job is typing, why settle for anything but the best?


This pretty much sums up my thoughts.  I'm not into keyboards as a passtime type of hobby so much as wanting to be educated on what is the best for me.  I have to spend a lot of time at a keyboard and even since I was a kid I knew that I just clicked with some boards more than others.  It wasn't until I started lurking at GH that I started to understand what I liked, why, and how to make better choices

If you had to eat cheese for a living, would you just spend your whole life eating Cheez Whiz?  Or would you broaden your horizons, discover what you like, and tune your purchases for pleasure.

Yes, I know some probably would eat Cheez Whiz all day.

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:11:22 »
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If you had to eat cheese for a living, would you just spend your whole life eating Cheez Whiz?

Yes, I know some probably would eat Cheez Whiz all day.

Man, that ain't even CHEESE!
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Offline Tony

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:24:54 »
So the topic become a philosophical debate about whether we should have an hobby and spend our money on it.

Be it keyboards, mice, cars, coins, online games, or girls, hobbies do not give us any meanings or longterm happiness. We can only change hobbies from one to another.

Addiction remains the same, but the object of the addiction may change from keyboards to girls. Much better.

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Offline Snarfangel

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 10:25:56 »
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Man, that ain't even CHEESE!

Next you will be saying that Froot Loops don't contain real froot.

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« Reply #47 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 12:15:19 »
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So, we dropped serious dime on a keyboard, now we must continuously affirm our decision?
[...]
No realistic benefits,  Even assuming mechanical keys are simply better in every physical way
[...]
Mechanical keyboards are usually physically more attractive
I am a software programmer by profession. I type on a computer keyboard, day in and day out. It is the most important physical tool in my trade. That is why the keyboard matters to me.
I got pain in my fingers from using a Dell rubber dome at work and decided that I needed a keyboard with a softer touch.
I bought a used Compaq MX-11800 with MX Browns on eBay for one Euro, customized it to have a more familiar layout (serious tinkering) and took it to work. The pain in my fingers receded. I got remarks from co-workers that my keyboard looked like crap beside their Apple Aluminium keyboards. (A year later I painted it, replaced the key caps and got cheers instead, but that is beside the point.)

So there!
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« Reply #48 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 12:20:14 »
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It took you 358 posts to figure that out?

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« Reply #49 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 13:53:09 »
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Man, that ain't even CHEESE!


That's why it is spelled "Cheez"

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« Reply #50 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 17:23:11 »
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Before becoming the Number One Keyboard Expert on The Planet I was lonely and unfulfilled.  NOW look at me!

You left off today's strange Korean chick icon. Glad to see brother ripster back, though I do miss glasses chick.
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« Reply #51 on: Fri, 30 March 2012, 17:33:56 »
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- to get closer to the 100% key hit, you press harder, and therefore stress your fingers.

This it what I dislike most about rubbers.
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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 00:03:12 »
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This it what I dislike most about rubbers.

Um... you have to do the same thing on mechanical keyboards,,, to hit confirm,, you bottom out.

The only difference is travel is 1mm shorter for activation

Offline captain

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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 00:18:04 »
Huh??  I get a nice CLICK at half way down on my mech boards. Even the Cherry reds activate at halfway. Once I get the feel for where 2mm is, I no longer have to hammer down hard to ensure a good key press. I prefer the clicky keys for the feedback though, even though I am getting a feel for where that point is.

With rubbers, I have to hammer HARD, and all the way down. If I don't bottom out I don't know whether or not I'm succeeding.
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Offline tp4tissue

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 31 March 2012, 02:37:27 »
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Huh??  I get a nice CLICK at half way down on my mech boards. Even the Cherry reds activate at halfway. Once I get the feel for where 2mm is, I no longer have to hammer down hard to ensure a good key press. I prefer the clicky keys for the feedback though, even though I am getting a feel for where that point is.

With rubbers, I have to hammer HARD, and all the way down. If I don't bottom out I don't know whether or not I'm succeeding.


mmm.... how fast can you type.