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Offline Jordan Grant Friedman

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« on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 13:58:24 »
seems like the xarmor u9w (browns) is the only one out there.  I am coming from the awesome (IMHO) Das Professional but as much as I love it, I'm OCD and hate the big wire on my desk.  

I know xarmor was snapped up by iOne and they have a new version of the u9w (u27 bundle) that seems to have Cherry red's (which i like since they are in my Das).

any other wireless mechanical's I'm missing?

thanks!!

Offline keebler64

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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:15:48 »
You can always make one. :) But I don't know of any that can do NKRO, maybe doing a hybrid SPI to Bluetooth via Teensy using Soarer's NKRO program? Or even using a Wireless USB Interface? (I've got one from IOGear and it works "OK" for a standard usb keyboard.)

Offline Jordan Grant Friedman

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:16:52 »
the amazing thing is I almost understand what you are talking about.  Proud of my nerdness.  I wonder how much I use NKRO.  maybe in gaming...not sure.

Offline Djuzuh

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:20:05 »
Is the wire that much of a deal ?

Wireless has a lot of drawbacks (power, interference, possible health issues, etc). And if you have to make huge compromises on the keyboard you choose just to not see a wire, heh.

Maybe arrange your desk otherwise or just put something above the wire so you don't see it?

Or buy a custom made one so it looks pretty? :D

Offline IvanIvanovich

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:24:19 »
Neo Zelia 87, though the wireless seems to be unreliable, and there is a bluetooth Filco model, but in JIS layout only. But I agree, unless you intend to use it with an htpc from the sofa or something, wireless has too many drawbacks.

Offline Jordan Grant Friedman

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 14:24:26 »
heh, it's just a personal preference.  I had wireless keyboards and mice all my life and recently went with the Das and a SteelSeries Sensei mouse.  both are the best devices I've ever used but I hate the wires!  just makes the desk look ugly.

Offline Squelos

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 15:32:47 »
Weird, I hate mice that DON'T have a wire. Too heavy IMO.
FOr the keyboard, really, why would you need a wireless keyboard?
Unless you are using your keyboard from your sofa, in which case you can go for a cheap logitech, and it wont really matter, because you will hardly be typing anything.

Offline stingrae

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 15:36:07 »
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heh, it's just a personal preference.  I had wireless keyboards and mice all my life and recently went with the Das and a SteelSeries Sensei mouse.  both are the best devices I've ever used but I hate the wires!  just makes the desk look ugly.

Oo I'm super young and even I had a serial port mouse...for the better part of 6 years.

2 wires :P you should see my desk xD
2 keyboards, 1 mouse, 1 headset, wires from crap pc case, xbox controller :D

Honestly for the best devices ever I'd give some leeway :p...

But yea custom cables and a custom cable routing system (with enough give for your mouse) can make things more structured.

On this subject is there really need for putting stuff infront of your monitor?
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Offline irjoe

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 16:36:35 »
I saw a filco on the great finds section that was wireless. I think the only drawback was that the legends were in japanese?

Offline Squelos

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 17:46:36 »
Yeah, I also believe you cable managment skills need improved :D Really, it isnt all that hard to do.

Wireless stuff always requires batteries, that need changed from time to time, you might get interferences, a bit more latency if the wireless system used isnt all that good.

Really,you can get a lot of problems, ,just to cut down on 1 wire ... Plus, keyboards users dont often want to have a wireless keyboard, so not many keyboards are available .

Offline keebler64

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 25 April 2012, 18:27:53 »
I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to try something, we should accomodate their wish, rather than belittle or argue their mode of thinking. Let them be the ones to decide if they'd rather have wireless or wired. To be honest, I too would love a wireless TKL MKB, but I've yet to see any decent execution, also,  as frequently as I change systems, wireless in my situation is not very efficient. However, I could see someone who just wants the feel and sound of a clicky in a cordless solution. Without being worried about how the performance will be.

If I ever get the time to finish my keyboard, I would look into doing a dual mode that is selectable. Wireless or wired. It's not very hard to implement, from a technical standpoint.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 27 April 2012, 05:55:53 »
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I'm of the opinion that if someone wants to try something, we should accomodate their wish, rather than belittle or argue their mode of thinking. Let them be the ones to decide if they'd rather have wireless or wired. To be honest, I too would love a wireless TKL MKB, but I've yet to see any decent execution, also,  as frequently as I change systems, wireless in my situation is not very efficient. However, I could see someone who just wants the feel and sound of a clicky in a cordless solution. Without being worried about how the performance will be.

If I ever get the time to finish my keyboard, I would look into doing a dual mode that is selectable. Wireless or wired. It's not very hard to implement, from a technical standpoint.


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Offline smknjoe

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 27 April 2012, 21:34:27 »
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Wireless has a lot of drawbacks (power, interference, possible health issues, etc)
If it's sitting on his desk within a few feet of his pc there shouldn't be any problems in most cases, and BT puts out about 1/100 of the radiation of a standard cordeless phone. I used an Apple BT keyboard for years and it served me well - even with neighbors close by using 2.4GHz everywhere. Batteries were replaced about every 4 months with moderate/heavy usage. The only substantial drawback I see with BT keyboards in gerneral is the security risk. Even though the connection is encrypted the cypher is typically weak and easily broken. I would take this into consideration if you are traveling with the board.  

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 27 April 2012, 21:59:28 »
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I had wireless keyboards and mice all my life

Whoa, this really makes me feel old.

I would say try to go the custom route if you must have wireless. Getting more wires might also help. I've currently got six keyboards, two mice, and two trackballs plugged into the computer I'm typing this from, and they account for less than a third of the wires at this desk. Eventually the wires just become a part of you.
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Offline keebler64

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 27 April 2012, 23:29:53 »
It's not all the difficult to make a custom wireless keyboard. There are plenty DIY's depicting how to wire the switches, and just as many on how to program an MCU (mostly AVR), your biggest problem would be deciding what kind of wireless protocol you want. You can do Zigbee, Bluetooth, irda, hell even wifi with a serial to wifi-Ethernet adapter (wi-port). Especially with the onset of Arduino and it's plethora of iterations, it has made hardware creation much more accessible. All you need are some basic solder skills, a semi-decent iron, and patience.

So, find the wired mechanical keyboard you like (preferably one with a backing plate) and stuff it to the hilt.

Edit: but please, if you do use Arduino, I beg you, take the extra bit of time and learn proper C and how to use avrgcc. It will have much more benefit to you in the long run. It's one thing to use Arduino, its another to use it as a stepping stone to the real McCoy, that being the ability to take any AVR chip and extend your knowledge and abilities into new and untapped potential. Never stop learning.
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