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Offline bazemk1979

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Title says it all, NIB around $80, I have yet to see one NIB anywhere,year 1996. Pics attached.
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:23:39 by bazemk1979 »

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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 17:41:21 »
Buy it :-)
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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 17:48:31 »
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Title says it all, NIB around $80, I have yet to see one NIB anywhere,year 1996. Pics attached.
I don't even know why you're posting this, somebody is going to jack your find!

EDIT: AND 1996! This would make a great companion to my 1996 Unsaver.
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Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:06:16 »
I think someone snatched it.....damn

Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:15:05 »
EDIT: nope no one snatched it, seller dropped the price for $5 so thats what confused me, bought the young pup :dance:

all mein and gone, guess was his last one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00609SG1K/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Total with shipping $78
« Last Edit: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:21:32 by bazemk1979 »

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:16:52 »
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EDIT: nope no one snatched it, seller dropped the price for $5 so thats what confused me, bought the young pup :dance:

Wow, great deal, congrats on the NIB aircraft carrier, good stuff.

Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:24:26 »
thanks men, just uploaded the picture of the sticker to the original thread post

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:41:50 »
Interesting, are you sure it's a Model F though? Looks like a plastic back to me.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 18:55:35 »
Might a model M, my terminal model f has stepped, what, alt ctrl and maybe return keys (not sure gotta get it out of the box), do they all?

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 19:17:30 »
Awesome! Lucky Dog!

If that actually is a Model F, (why the f*ck doesn't it say so?, is the back black metal?) it is worth several times what you paid.

I am jelly.

I guess that you know how to tell the difference between F and M, please report back to verify which model this is.

Nice find, I might well have jacked it if I had had the chance.
« Last Edit: Wed, 16 May 2012, 08:44:44 by fohat.digs »
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Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 20:46:56 »
Honestly I thought also its model F, I got few NIB 122 key terminals that are model M with  LED overlay on it, this one got me thinking its model F since the casing looks like the Model F, No LED overlay, big a** PS/2 not the typical standard PS/2, Silver badge.... All of this things lead me to conclusion that it is Model F, once when I'll receive the board will post bunch of pics from the every possible sticker there is on the board and the box and maeby we all find out what type of board is. But I think this one will require Soarer adapter and the codes, which is something I want to do down the road when I have more free time, and will take my time since will be my first time dealing with such hack.

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 21:02:53 »
There are Model Ms that have the badge on the right side like the Fs, that may be what this is.

If it is an F, there will be a metal plate with individual barrels poking through.

If it is an M, there will be a one-piece unit with integral barrels (I think it may be called a "frame" but that is hardly what it really is).
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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 21:13:42 »
once I'll receive the keyboard will try to figure out and will post more detailed pictures in this thread, anyways its new and as far as goes from my stand point, all thats new from IBM BS, its collectible to me.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 15 May 2012, 21:33:21 »
I really am not sure how to tell the difference, good luck with it, the price was right either way.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed, 16 May 2012, 01:20:22 »
It doesn't really matter. It's either a nicely priced NIB terminal M, or a BARGAIN BASEMENT F. I'm guessing M though, not aware of any Fs that aren't metal backed.
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Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #15 on: Wed, 16 May 2012, 07:00:39 »
Doubt its plug and play, actually I'm hoping it isnt cause next time I have spare time I will love to make my own adapter. I believe there was a guy who actually made nice plastic box for it but not sure if he posted any how to's.....

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 17 May 2012, 21:46:42 »
not sure if there is anywhere on the back sticker that it refers if its or if it isnt for 3196, doesnt even says if its Model M or F, almost sure its Model M.... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00609SG1K/ref=dp_otherviews_1?ie=UTF8&img=1&s=miscellaneous

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 17 May 2012, 22:51:09 »
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I really am not sure how to tell the difference, good luck with it, the price was right either way.
Are there any good ways of telling the difference between M and F 122-keys? Do you just have to trawel through postings that mention the product number? I've trying to build a list from what I see on DT, GH, sandy55, webwit, etc, but it's a little shaky.
My room-mate decided to cancel the internet without telling me.

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Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 17 May 2012, 23:07:28 »
i have few model M's 122 key and they feel same as the model M 101 key. For some reason model M's made by lexmark with fixed cable are more soft to press, less pingy, than the earlier models made by IBM with detachable cable.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 18 May 2012, 02:13:38 »
Metal back = F
Plastic back = M
99% of the time.
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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 18 May 2012, 09:54:14 »
I have had a number (approximately a dozen) of these (122-key terminal boards, that is) pass through my hands, and the label always said "Model M" or "Model F" (if there was a label present).

The smaller Model Fs (XT and AT) that I have owned did not have labels on the outside, but they were located on the interior metal plate.

I am surprised to see a label that has the usual "other" information without saying what the actual model is, but then I have never owned a Lexmark terminal, only IBMs.

Verification of the metal back always indicating an F would be helpful. My guess is that is accurate, but I could say for certain. The wikis do not address the case construction issue, as far as I can see. We know that the F AT had plastic shell case top and bottom, and probably many of those "weird" specialty boards, too, but there is surprisingly little discussion/information of the big boys compared to the smaller ones.

Several times I have seen M-122s with the badge on the right, and wondered how many of those parts, if any, would interchange with Fs, or if, drool, they were actually Fs in disguise (that is, capacitive). Even if the top half of the case shell would fit an F, that would be nice, because the F cases seem to be a particularly brittle plastic.
« Last Edit: Fri, 18 May 2012, 10:01:34 by fohat.digs »
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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 15:05:33 »
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Not accurate or precise:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Model_F

There were a LOT of terminal users on plastic keyboards.

This is why wikis>rules of thumb.

Ripster Guides are good too.  From link below.

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?29640-Ripsters-Review-of-the-122Key-IBM-Model-M-1397000&highlight=1397000

What's in either that wiki or your guide that disproves my "rule of thumb"?

Also, that's just your review of a terminal emulator Model M. How is it a guide for distinguishing between a Model F and Model M?
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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 15:08:31 »
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The ones on the bottom.  LOTS of terminal keyboards.  Plastic.  Very popular in the Day.

Some dude here just bought the 3161 Term one thinking it was a Model M.

None of those pics even show the back of the keyboard.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about the top casing. I know that both Ms and Fs shared that earlier square badge plastic top case. I'm talking about the underside of the case.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 15:10:10 »
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Well they are plastic.

Trust me.

Partially. Again, that's not what I'm referring to.
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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 15:14:34 »
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http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31326-Question-for-IBM-lovers-to-buy-or-not-to-buy-this-NIB-Model-F-122-key&p=595152&viewfull=1#post595152

Trust is a GOOD thing.  It's Sunday.

I wish you would go back to carrying out keyboard science and backing up your claims with research instead of just posting platitudes wherever you go.


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Offline bazemk1979

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 18:26:49 »
Ok so to sum all speculations what would you all want me to do when keyboard arrives?  dissasemble it and check the internals if the sticker on back doesnt says if its model M or F right?  Another question comes to me is,the keyboard was made in 1996, did IBM or Lexmark for that matter made Model F terminal 1996 or later?

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 19:12:31 »
If it does not say "Model M" on the outside, I doubt that it will on the inside.

The small Model Fs have the label on the inside, I have never had an M with interior labels.

Look in between the keys. An F will have a metal plate with individual barrels poking up through it. An M will have a single-piece plastic unit with all the barrels molded into it.

You can easily tell that by pulling a couple of keys.
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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 20:03:32 »
all will take is to remove few caps and check the barrels then, board should be in by 24th, I'll make sure and check it out.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 20:05:56 »
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No....
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?12210-IBM-model-M-1390572

The Model M thing is a tiny detail.  I'm a big picture guy.  Like whether it works with a PC.
I kinda doubt it will,but before I end up ordering parts to do the teensy or start researching oh how to DIY, I'll order 5din to PS/2 and see if its a plug and play, although the board not having LED overlay somehow tells me it wont be plug and play such as my current new Lexmark 122key that I'm typing on... and this one has LED overlay.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 20 May 2012, 20:30:41 »
ripster I know its buckling spring, the seller confirmed before I bought the board, as if its PC compatible via plug and play, well time will tell I need to order the adapter, and guess what now I have even bigger reason to get the adapter, cause I just snatched this puppy LOL http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Model-M-keyboard-/200763820692?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2ebe74ca94