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Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 12:52:55 »
RK9000 in front of me.  Filco in front of me.

RK9000 does not ping, Filco pings on spacebar.  The ping is annoying.

Is this normal?  The cheaper keyboard honestly feels/sounds better because of this and I am trying to like the Filco.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:01:41 »
RK9000 in front of me.  Filco in front of me.

RK9000 does not ping, Filco pings on spacebar.  The ping is annoying.

Is this normal?  The cheaper keyboard honestly feels/sounds better because of this and I am trying to like the Filco.

In my short time here I have learned that these things come down to user preference, you might like something that others don't.

If you don't like the Filco then you don't like the filco, don't force yourself to like something just because it's more expensive or because the majority like it.  Type on the keyboard you prefer, not the keyboard you think you're supposed to prefer.  I've never typed on a Filco but I have typed on a Rosewill and I thought it was a great keyboard, so sure, it's normal to like a Rosewill!
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:07:26 »
Winter of Ping.... Ho.....................

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:10:20 »
what MX switch you using

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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:28:15 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:34:43 »
I just bought a Filco with blues and don't have any ping. I'm not sure why some of the boards have this issue. Personally, I switched from a Blackwidow to the Filco and I really liked the Filco a lot more. But I agree with Champloo and it ultimately comes down to personal preference. Hopefully someone comes along to suggest a fix for your ping but I unfortunately am pretty new to keyboards and GH.

Is the ping the only thing that is bothering you? I found that the Blackwidow seems to almost emphasize the clickyness of the blues while the blues on the Filco had less of a bump and feel a bit more like a linear switch.
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:36:28 »
Welcome to Geekhack!

While you're typing on the Filco, just think about how much more expensive it is than the Rosewill. That will make using it feel much better than the Rosewill.

I haven't experienced it, but some people have had the USB connector detach from the PCB of their Rosewills. If that happens to you, I'm sure you will appreciate the Filco's non-detachable cable.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 14:01:02 »
I was really worried about this ping business before I ordered my Filco and tried to get a sense of it watching YouTube videos.  Once I got it, though, I found I have a couple of pingy keys (primarily the 4) but I actually quite enjoy it.  Reminds me I'm typing on something durable and solid.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 14:08:20 »
As a personnal experience, my first filco had no ping. I loved it. So much I got a second one for the job. This one had a LOT of ping (or it was more a global resonnance), I was very disapointed and it was worse because I had a "perfect" one at home.

But I was lucky enough to be able to RMA it, got another one, and it was perfect too and I am very happy with it.

As a side note, the "perfect" ones are both camo edition, and the one with the problem was a ninja, but it could have just been a coincidance.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 14:38:43 »
I just bought a Filco with blues and don't have any ping. I'm not sure why some of the boards have this issue. Personally, I switched from a Blackwidow to the Filco and I really liked the Filco a lot more. But I agree with Champloo and it ultimately comes down to personal preference. Hopefully someone comes along to suggest a fix for your ping but I unfortunately am pretty new to keyboards and GH.

Is the ping the only thing that is bothering you? I found that the Blackwidow seems to almost emphasize the clickyness of the blues while the blues on the Filco had less of a bump and feel a bit more like a linear switch.

Hold down several keys and pick your hand up as fast as you can. You shall hear the ping sound..

Now, in some keyboards this sound is "ALLEGEDLY" louder than others...

To clarify, all the PING i've ever heard on MX keyboards were quite MILD, and NOT perceptually audible unless you're purposefully listening for it.


That isn't to say if you have "Ears of the Gods" with "+99 Anal" you won't hear the feint pinging... in fact you most definitely will with that spec

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 16:38:47 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.

I just spit up my drink  :))

the RK9000 is not a bad board, i was surprised $25 got me something this good (+$50  PBT keycaps lol)

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 16:46:53 »
one thing i noticed on my filco, is that the whole number row grinds against the body of the keyboard which really pisses me off.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 17:12:00 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.

I just spit up my drink  :))

the RK9000 is not a bad board, i was surprised $25 got me something this good (+$50  PBT keycaps lol)

I also LOL super hard when I read that too.

Basically the thing with Rosewill is that the mini B connector is kind of like gambling.  If it doesn't break you gained profit (as oppose to paying Filco price), if it does break you lost your bet.

one thing i noticed on my filco, is that the whole number row grinds against the body of the keyboard which really pisses me off.

This doesn't happen to me, I just took a look I have about 1 mm clearance around the keys.  You might need to RMA.

HOWEVER, if you can be patient enough and wait till late April.  Carter said that's when CM Storm XT will be available  :D

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 17:16:33 »
As a personnal experience, my first filco had no ping. I loved it. So much I got a second one for the job. This one had a LOT of ping (or it was more a global resonnance), I was very disapointed and it was worse because I had a "perfect" one at home.

But I was lucky enough to be able to RMA it, got another one, and it was perfect too and I am very happy with it.

As a side note, the "perfect" ones are both camo edition, and the one with the problem was a ninja, but it could have just been a coincidance.

I have no issues with my Ninja with blues. It was very pingy the first couple days I had it, but the issue seemed to go away quickly. I can hear the ping if I'm really paying attention and put my ear next to the keyboard, but it isn't audible for normal typing.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 17:35:33 »
I got a Filco Majestouch 2 full size with browns recently and I've noticed it has a couple pingy keys as well. I don't mind it too much though.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 17:48:50 »
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 18:10:14 »
I just bought a Filco with blues and don't have any ping. I'm not sure why some of the boards have this issue. Personally, I switched from a Blackwidow to the Filco and I really liked the Filco a lot more. But I agree with Champloo and it ultimately comes down to personal preference. Hopefully someone comes along to suggest a fix for your ping but I unfortunately am pretty new to keyboards and GH.

Is the ping the only thing that is bothering you? I found that the Blackwidow seems to almost emphasize the clickyness of the blues while the blues on the Filco had less of a bump and feel a bit more like a linear switch.

Hold down several keys and pick your hand up as fast as you can. You shall hear the ping sound..

Now, in some keyboards this sound is "ALLEGEDLY" louder than others...

To clarify, all the PING i've ever heard on MX keyboards were quite MILD, and NOT perceptually audible unless you're purposefully listening for it.


That isn't to say if you have "Ears of the Gods" with "+99 Anal" you won't hear the feint pinging... in fact you most definitely will with that spec

As a personnal experience, my first filco had no ping. I loved it. So much I got a second one for the job. This one had a LOT of ping (or it was more a global resonnance), I was very disapointed and it was worse because I had a "perfect" one at home.

But I was lucky enough to be able to RMA it, got another one, and it was perfect too and I am very happy with it.

As a side note, the "perfect" ones are both camo edition, and the one with the problem was a ninja, but it could have just been a coincidance.

I have no issues with my Ninja with blues. It was very pingy the first couple days I had it, but the issue seemed to go away quickly. I can hear the ping if I'm really paying attention and put my ear next to the keyboard, but it isn't audible for normal typing.

Oh apparently there is a ping. Huh...It's very faint though. I never noticed it until I actually listened for it. Still loving the Filco ^_^.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 18:11:22 »
Oh god...

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 19:23:42 »
While maybe a bit better than the other alternatives, I think that Filco was mostly a fad here on geekhack. At the time there weren't many mechanical keyboards, just the steelseries and razer ones. This made the Filco something a bit more exotic since it wasn't from a mainstream US company. It also helps that it offered more switch options, didn't have gimmicky features and didn't have some of the problems that razer keyboards had. So while it was a good keyboard, it's not really something to get super excited about anymore.

Now that some people are getting some "Korean customs" that's the new fad. The CM Storm Quickfire Rapid provides very good bang for the buck. With the Filco, you're paying twice the amount for an increase in quality that a very large majority of people will not even notice, if it's even there to be noticed at all.

There are some horror stories about Rosewills that should have failed QA, but a properly functioning Rosewill is probably a fine keyboard.

In general, a lot of the stuff that becomes popular on geekhack is popular because it is rare, hard to get, expensive, or good looking rather than because it's the best quality. That's not to say say that these can't coincide, but when you read reviews that people write about them, it's mostly like "it feels solid" and "nice looking construction." There's usually not much about them that makes them stand apart in terms of functionality. I also want to say that for people who love keyboards so much and probably use them a lot, there's very little love for ergonomic keyboards.

But in general this is how hobbies work. If there weren't new fads to hop between, then there'd be little reason to stick with the hobby as there'd be nothing to talk about or collect.

I don't have a Korean custom of my own, but just to show that I'm not completely biased here's a quote from a rather reputable member here who does have experience with them:

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 19:34:37 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.

I just spit up my drink  :))

the RK9000 is not a bad board, i was surprised $25 got me something this good (+$50  PBT keycaps lol)

how do i RMA?

I also LOL super hard when I read that too.

Basically the thing with Rosewill is that the mini B connector is kind of like gambling.  If it doesn't break you gained profit (as oppose to paying Filco price), if it does break you lost your bet.

one thing i noticed on my filco, is that the whole number row grinds against the body of the keyboard which really pisses me off.

This doesn't happen to me, I just took a look I have about 1 mm clearance around the keys.  You might need to RMA.

HOWEVER, if you can be patient enough and wait till late April.  Carter said that's when CM Storm XT will be available  :D

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 21:46:11 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.
hehehe The trick to understanding how lame a Rosewill is, is to use it ergonomically for a while.  Put it in your lap.  Type on it.  Love it.  Tell it how wonderful it is.  Tell all your friends to buy it.  Do that for a month.  After it breaks and all your friends tell you what an idiot you are then you can tell us how much you like it.   :p   I went thru this experience the hard way.  You can too.  ;D

I freely admit that there is no ping on my Rosewills.  But I cheated and had one of them lubed.  You should lube your filco.  I think its a good chance for it to fix the ping.  My lubed Rosewill is waaaaaaaay quieter than the unlubed one.  Its niiiiice in that regard.

Altho u r not exactly supposed to lube blue switches...  so u r in a bit a pickle.

The lube guy lubed my Red, Brown and Black switches.  But he did not lube the Blue because he said it could drastically reduce the click.  Clicking is sort of the whole point of Blues.

Is the cable built into your Filco?
Or does it connect with a MiniUSB port?
Is it a channeled cable?
I am trying to figure out what kind of strain relief your Filco has.   A keyboard with ZERO strain relief (like Rosewill) is guaranteed to break at some point in the future.  Its only a question of time.  Tick.. tock..
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 21:52:16 »
Filcos have a fixed cable going through a short rubber cable gland.  I don't recall if there's a labyrinth internally, but there is a small ferrite on the cable and that is in a molded compartment.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 00:55:32 »
Don't worry, I'm sure TotalChaos will be along shortly to tell you how bad the Rosewill actually is.
hehehe The trick to understanding how lame a Rosewill is, is to use it ergonomically for a while.  Put it in your lap.  Type on it.  Love it.  Tell it how wonderful it is.  Tell all your friends to buy it.  Do that for a month.  After it breaks and all your friends tell you what an idiot you are then you can tell us how much you like it.   :p   I went thru this experience the hard way.  You can too.  ;D

I freely admit that there is no ping on my Rosewills.  But I cheated and had one of them lubed.  You should lube your filco.  I think its a good chance for it to fix the ping.  My lubed Rosewill is waaaaaaaay quieter than the unlubed one.  Its niiiiice in that regard.

Altho u r not exactly supposed to lube blue switches...  so u r in a bit a pickle.

The lube guy lubed my Red, Brown and Black switches.  But he did not lube the Blue because he said it could drastically reduce the click.  Clicking is sort of the whole point of Blues.

Is the cable built into your Filco?
Or does it connect with a MiniUSB port?
Is it a channeled cable?
I am trying to figure out what kind of strain relief your Filco has.   A keyboard with ZERO strain relief (like Rosewill) is guaranteed to break at some point in the future.  Its only a question of time.  Tick.. tock..

OMG I cant believe what I just read..... Same exact board as Filco full size jusy it has the metal plate. The only drawback at Rosewill is the way they designed the mini USB, there is no housing around it to keep it in place and eventually the solder breaks after many plug ins and plug outs....

Thats the only difference between Filco and Rosewill, let me see I paid $25 for the Rosewill reds and I maeby will have to solder the mini USB once a year since my board does not get plugged out all the time, stays on the desk. Filco cost $150 and lets say headache free.... Hmmmmmm,yeah its a no brainer what I will choose....

Or how about this, Filco cost $150, and I already arranged to buy 3 CM Quickfire Rapids Green,Red and Brown switches for $190 shipped. Hmmmmm, yeah I dont think so Filco, again 3 boards to have with 3 different switches to enjoy, same quality + no mini USB problems.....

Face the fact homies Filco is overpiced, I rather buy WASD with reliable CS to back you up and still cheaper than Filco's + option to pay less for barebone and you can use your own PBT dyesub or DS keycaps.....
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 01:07:15 »
I agree Filcos are overpriced... but that does not excuse Rosewill's intentional bad quality.

And you can't say QFR is "same quality" as Filco because the QFR is missing 17 keys.

And I never unplugged my Rosewill.  Plugging/unplugging doesn't matter.  It is going to break anyway.

I agree with you that its WASD FTW!  :D
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 01:19:57 »
I agree Filcos are overpriced... but that does not excuse Rosewill's intentional bad quality.

And you can't say QFR is "same quality" as Filco because the QFR is missing 17 keys.

And I never unplugged my Rosewill.  Plugging/unplugging doesn't matter.  It is going to break anyway.

I agree with you that its WASD FTW!  :D

Well I'm typing on my Rosewill and I been flexing the cable where it connects to the USB and seems sturdy to me so far, if it weakens I will resolder it and maeby apply the Gorilla glue on the sides to keep it in place for a long time to come. Voila Filco quality for $25 bucks.

LOL minus 17 keys on the QFR, they are coming out with XT version and normal USB plug instead of the mini.

WASD is a no brainer, but Rosewill for $25 is a no brainer also, I love the board feels awesome.
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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 04:33:52 »
I agree Filcos are overpriced... but that does not excuse Rosewill's intentional bad quality.

And you can't say QFR is "same quality" as Filco because the QFR is missing 17 keys.

And I never unplugged my Rosewill.  Plugging/unplugging doesn't matter.  It is going to break anyway.

I agree with you that its WASD FTW!  :D

Number of keys have nothing to do with quality as long as the keyboard doesn't come with less keys than advertised or if the keyboard is made for a specific purpose that requires a certain number of keys or a specific layout to work optimally. If you need the tenkey then the QFR isn't a lower quality board as a result of that, it just doesn't suit your needs. The QFR would make a poor quality POS board due to the lack of numpad, but the QFR isn't made for POS use so that is 100% irrelevant. It's like saying a toothbrush is poor quality because it did a ****ty job of sweeping your front yard.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 07:33:15 »
There are a lot of things that are overpriced yet people still buy them.  Why would people buy a $75 Ralph Lauren Polo shirt when you can get no generic brand at target for $10?  Because of the brandname.  Yes Filco's are expensive, but maybe we just enjoy having the brand and are loyal to it.  All that really matters in the end is whether you enjoy typing on it.  I think the rest of the world can agree that we are all crazy for spending so much on keyboards, so lets try to stick together and not fight about petty ****.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 08:05:30 »
There are a lot of things that are overpriced yet people still buy them.  Why would people buy a $75 Ralph Lauren Polo shirt when you can get no generic brand at target for $10?  Because of the brandname.  Yes Filco's are expensive, but maybe we just enjoy having the brand and are loyal to it.  All that really matters in the end is whether you enjoy typing on it.  I think the rest of the world can agree that we are all crazy for spending so much on keyboards, so lets try to stick together and not fight about petty ****.
The other thing that makes Filcos and Topre boards more expensive is that they're pretty small brands outside Asia and there are very few and somewhat unknown retailers selling them, resulting in fewer units sold which means each unit needs to cost more if the company wants to make a profit.

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Re: Filco vs Rosewill - Not Impressed
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 08:08:05 »
There are a lot of things that are overpriced yet people still buy them.  Why would people buy a $75 Ralph Lauren Polo shirt when you can get no generic brand at target for $10?  Because of the brandname.  Yes Filco's are expensive, but maybe we just enjoy having the brand and are loyal to it.  All that really matters in the end is whether you enjoy typing on it.  I think the rest of the world can agree that we are all crazy for spending so much on keyboards, so lets try to stick together and not fight about petty ****.
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