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Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 12:12:03 »
So far, the only points of reported threadcrapping are ones that have negative comments.

- Your keycaps are ****ty, they're too expensive.
- Your stuff sells for cheaper somewhere else.
- Everyday I troll, troll, troll...
- etc.

But what about positive comments?  If we are deleting posts in classifieds because someone said your keycaps are too expensive, then why are we not deleting posts when someone says they look nice?  Or when someone gives a free bump with "GLWS?"  Why are we STILL protecting shady sellers?  Reference:  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33033.0


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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 12:44:32 »
A fair question, negative comments are unfair to the seller and are usually more abusive or condescending than constructive.  If it's not your thing, just move along.
I would support the move against positive threadcrapping too. I read a lot on tapatalk and often just can't be bothered to scroll through pages of chatter to see if items have gone or not.  Get rid of that and I'd be happy.  Seller has some responsibility to moderate their thread but people tend to get narky when their posts are deleted, however intentioned so perhaps better a mod do it.

That said, I often find that I might comment in a thread discussion when I wouldn't start a new thread on the subject so the above might unfortunately reduce the amount of good discussion on the site...

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 12:54:58 »
All posts outside of bids or direct questions are thread craps in my eyes, no one cares if you think that the seller is great or whether you love the key caps and wish that you had the money.


Keep it out of the classifieds.

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Re: Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 12:58:58 »
All posts outside of bids or direct questions are thread craps in my eyes, no one cares if you think that the seller is great or whether you love the key caps and wish that you had the money.


Keep it out of the classifieds.
Well this is the second time I agree with you lol. This is exactly how it should be imo, and what I'm used to on other forums.

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 13:10:53 »
The only posts in the most recent classifieds thread that were deleted were posts by the OP.  Everything else was moved to another thread where discussion not pertaining directly to the *sale* of the goods could continue.
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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 January 2013, 15:38:50 »
The only posts in the most recent classifieds thread that were deleted were posts by the OP.  Everything else was moved to another thread where discussion not pertaining directly to the *sale* of the goods could continue.


I don't mean specifically for the new thread, I mean just in genearl.  We have become such a G-rated forum that even providing the slightest bit of side-trailing is considered a threadcrap. 

Say for example someone provides constructive price comparisons, why is that considered threadcrapping?  And yet, positive comments about the seller from previous transactions stay on?

If you are going to enforce threadcrapping, you might as well post a banner up in Classifieds saying:  "WE PROTECT YOU SHADY ASS SELLERS AND DO NOT HAVE A BAN LIST!"

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:10:56 »
My mother used to say (probably still says) "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

Applies here.

This is a community, with members supporting each other in many ways.

If I was selling something I would like people to say "GLWS" or "those keycaps look really nice, wish I had some spare $$$".

To me that shows respect for the seller, compliments the stuff being sold, and just makes everyone happy.

If someone has a problem with a particular sale, they can PM the seller, report to a mod, or even, if they absolutely must, start a new thread in off topic to have a whinge.
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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 04:24:29 »
My mother used to say (probably still says) "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all".

Applies here.

This is a community, with members supporting each other in many ways.

If I was selling something I would like people to say "GLWS" or "those keycaps look really nice, wish I had some spare $$$".

To me that shows respect for the seller, compliments the stuff being sold, and just makes everyone happy.

If someone has a problem with a particular sale, they can PM the seller, report to a mod, or even, if they absolutely must, start a new thread in off topic to have a whinge.


I agree with this almost completely, couldn't have said it better myself, but some new members may not know what things are worth so I feel constructive crtisism like "I think that is a little expensive" is fine.
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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:16:21 »
It shows respect to the community when someone can politely and publicly critique what is being sold especially if it is outrageously over priced.  Case and point cactux's sale.  I can't go over to his thread and say that because he will report my post and get it deleted.  If I PM him it will be ignored and if I report to a moderator nothing will be done because it is within the rules.

He is a shady and overpriced seller and yet, as a comminuty we harbor his will.  He hasnt posted anything on GH that has been beneficial in a long time and I would even go as far as to say he despises this community (frequent rants and **** talking about GH over at DT)...and yet he still has free reign in his sales.

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Re: Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:31:47 »
All posts outside of bids or direct questions are thread craps in my eyes, no one cares if you think that the seller is great or whether you love the key caps and wish that you had the money.


Keep it out of the classifieds.
Well this is the second time I agree with you lol. This is exactly how it should be imo, and what I'm used to on other forums.

I agree, this is what I have seen on other forums. It works if strictly enforced. Of course, you have to have someone enforcing it, and I know that can be time consuming. I would also add a 72 hour minimum before you can bump your own thread again. Of course on this site, people get so many free bumps that they generally don't need to do this. I also agree that allowing positive comments and not negative ones is a bit unfair.

Just my .02. I don't even have enough street cred yet to post in classifieds, but all the commenting does make it difficult to search through other people's threads to see what's been posted.


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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:37:43 »
I recently purchased a Ducky keychain from Cactux and have no problem with the price and he did not seem shady at all to me. Everything was conducted in a fair way and he was even willing to split the postage costs with me.

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:40:07 »
I recently purchased a Ducky keychain from Cactux and have no problem with the price and he did not seem shady at all to me. Everything was conducted in a fair way and he was even willing to split the postage costs with me.

Thank you for the feedback, and I appreciate that.  Positive feedback, just like negative feedback, should be publicly disclosed.

Edit:  I understand that there is Heatware, but I'm talking more from a day-to-day interaction.  Not necessarily just completed transactions.  It could be trade negotiations with low ball offers, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:56:16 »
Not a problem Dan, I know I am new here and there may be a lot I havent seen and I will admit I don't know the value of most things (when I saw single caps going for $100 to $200 I almost fell off my chair) I wanted to share my positive experience with him.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 10:28:48 »
The mods generally leave it up to the OP to decide if they want their thread cleaned up.  Most OPs don't mind "positive" threadcrapping so that is probably why it seems this way.  Negative posts in classifieds are handled more proactively because they are often used to abuse other members.  Some members here have it out for certain other members, it seems.
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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 10:40:51 »
I am of the idea that in all sales threads any comment superflous, be it positive or negative, is threadcrapping and thus should not be allowed, sales threads are for sales not commenting. This is how it goes for the majority of the forums i am registered and it works well, obviously this works only if there is enough moderators that control the situation and this requires a good amount of work
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 11:05:39 »
The mods generally leave it up to the OP to decide if they want their thread cleaned up.  Most OPs don't mind "positive" threadcrapping so that is probably why it seems this way.  Negative posts in classifieds are handled more proactively because they are often used to abuse other members.  Some members here have it out for certain other members, it seems.

So if we provide constructive reasons as to why a price is too high, or present in a non-negative manner....is that acceptable?  For example, when I look at cactux's thread this would be something I'd like to say:

"Cactux, while you are offering a rare item but your price is unreasonably high.  I can understand that you paid $180 for it, but even that is an overpriced set of keycaps to begin with."

I think the community deserves to know if they could be potentially ripped off.  That's what being part of a community is, unless you're saying GH has truly turned into a full marketplace?

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 11:23:08 »
Yes Dan as someone who does not yet know the value of certain caps, that is very helpful to me. Comments like "wow that is a great price" help show me that if I purchase this item I am not getting ripped off, and would be happy if I sold something to be told "look thats a little bit pricey, you may have more luck if you consider lowering the price as hey are usually valued at $x"

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 11:43:24 »
Here is another prime example of harboring shady sellers:  http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39479.0

I mean come on...

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 11:59:41 »
Dan, I understand what you are saying but it's just not that straight-forward.  While there will be cases where negative comments may benefit the greater community good as a whole, most of the time they are just abuse that quickly escalates.  It is up to the buyer to know what they are doing.  This is how it works on most large forums.  If a potential buyer wants to ask the community what something is worth, they can do that in another part of the forum.  That is exactly what the mods did to your posts in fuus' thread.

Unlike what you posted on DT, you can criticize others' work on GH.  It just doesn't belong in the classifieds, whose purpose is to facilitate a transaction between a seller and potential buyers.

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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 12:20:52 »
If that is the case then enforce threadcrapping more proactively, than reactively.  Clean up threads that have both positive and negative 'threadcrapping.'  If that is too much work, sounds like you guys need more moderation and I'm sure you know where my application is!

Like others have said on this thread, most large forums don't allow threadcrapping of ANY TYPE, positive ones included.  If GH is trying to be like "most large forums," then shouldn't it be that way?  Most large forums also have a sticky of banned members accused of or conducting in shady sales.

This is a suggestion that seems to be fought against very hard.  What are the ulterior motives for not incorporating this system?  I'm just trying to understand why the team has been, for a very long time, opposed to this?

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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 13:03:14 »
Since the site reboot, GH has been using a more laid-back approach to moderation.  Most members of the community seem to prefer it this way.
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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 13:52:03 »
While I'd say that is the preference for almost all other subforums, shouldn't something as delicate as Classifieds has been lately (and always for that matter) be special?  Afterall, GH is turning into a huge marketplace.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 13:03:11 »
The best marketplace is this one: Marketplace

Just because they allow criticism when needed and there is transparency.

Example 1


Example 2

If you try to sell items for inflated prices and people catch you doing so don't be an ******* and deal with it.

At the same moment DanGWanG was selling his mismatched set in a range of 75-100$ and you can't see what happened when someone told him he should reduce the prices because he decided to delete his account but his responses were just as bad as his prices.

Time ago there were no rules needed and now there are rules and even with them all has gone crazy. It's people attitude what is destroying this marketplace in my opinion and any posts talking about capitalism bull**** won't change what I think.

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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 13:07:47 »
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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 13:13:25 »
I just don't see the need for anyone to comment in a FS thread, if the price is too high then the item won't sell. If a new member does buy at a crazy price then they should have done some more research.

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 20:47:32 »
Time ago there were no rules needed and now there are rules and even with them all has gone crazy. It's people attitude what is destroying this marketplace in my opinion and any posts talking about capitalism bull**** won't change what I think.
Most members I've seen here calling for more rules and censorship in Classified ads are those who would benefit most from less informed buyers.

And before someone goes all capitalism this, capitalism that: censoring replies in threads is another form of stifling competition. So much for invisible hand nonsense when policing favors the sellers.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 21:02:31 »
Time ago there were no rules needed and now there are rules and even with them all has gone crazy. It's people attitude what is destroying this marketplace in my opinion and any posts talking about capitalism bull**** won't change what I think.
Most members I've seen here calling for more rules and censorship in Classified ads are those who would benefit most from less informed buyers.

And before someone goes all capitalism this, capitalism that: censoring replies in threads is another form of stifling competition. So much for invisible hand nonsense when policing favors the sellers.

Really? If true, that would be very telling.

Back OT, if a post is "damn, you are selling that POS for way too much money, and OBTW, you ripped a bunch of people off last time!" that doesn't seem like threadcrapping to me.  Neither is "Wow, nice piece, I can't afford it, but GLWS!"

But "that costs too much and capitalist bastids are driving out the good people who built this city and let me tell you a story about when I lost my house, my truck and my dog to a nefarious eBay seller" or " wow I am so glad we have such a wonderful place where beautiful people like you can sell their wonderful stuff and let me tell you a story about how my life was changed when I bought this...".  Those, IMHO, have no place in a for-sale thread.  Off-topic and long-winded just get in the way.

If you have a broad philosophical question, like "are positive comments threadcrapping?", then start a thread.

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 29 January 2013, 22:24:02 »
Back OT, if a post is "damn, you are selling that POS for way too much money, and OBTW, you ripped a bunch of people off last time!" that doesn't seem like threadcrapping to me.  Neither is "Wow, nice piece, I can't afford it, but GLWS!"

I'm happy to hear you feel that way. Unfortunately, in my experience most moderators will delete the negative post and not the encouraging post, probably at the request of the seller to clean up the thread. I think some clarity is needed, and should be conveyed to the moderation team, so that they can strive to be consistent in enforcement of the "no threadcrapping" rule, i.e. posts that are desultory, inflammatory, or simply off topic as to be not relevant to the thread.

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Re: Positive Comments = Threadcrapping?
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