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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #120 on: Mon, 04 March 2013, 22:49:47 »
That convex Fn key! I've never seen that 1.5u key. I want them.
I always press Alt with my thumbs, they might be good for my thumbs :D
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #121 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 06:02:04 »
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)

Just miming the actions of using R-Ctrl for anything takes me from the typing position much more and feels like a big stretch. It's probably not "technically" proper technique, but using one hand for common shortcuts has always felt easier. I swap L-Ctrl and Caps Lock and that's proved to be the easiest for shortcuts like that. If you're using Ctrl a lot, you should try setting Caps Lock to L-Ctrl.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 06:56:45 »
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)
I prefer to hit control with my palm/base of the pinky. Less hand movement for me that way.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #123 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 07:32:09 »
That's crazy talk right there!

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« Reply #124 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 08:21:05 »
How often do you really hit control though.. If you're hitting Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, you're probably already disrupted by the mouse or hitting shift+home keys or something, all which are going to require you to move your hands anyway.

besides, right control is so far away, I think that doing it single handedly for ctrl+C, ctrl+V has to be about the same.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 08:38:42 »
that space is large enought

i have tried that

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« Reply #126 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 16:21:59 »
How often do you really hit control though.. If you're hitting Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, you're probably already disrupted by the mouse or hitting shift+home keys or something, all which are going to require you to move your hands anyway.
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 16:47:03 »
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)

I just did, and I think my right hand wanted to strangle me for abusing it so. Hitting right control from the home row is the most uncomfortable stretch on a keyboard I've done in a while.

It's far easier just to remap CapsLock to LControl, and then use your left pinky to hit it. Much more ergonomic, way less strain on your hands.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 16:59:53 »
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ? By the way, apart from being easier on the hand, using 2 hands is way faster too than doing single-hand combos which take completely off the typing position.
I'm in bash all day and use Ctrl-A to go to the beginning of the line and Ctrl-E to go to the end, and the right control is by far the fastest and most comfortable way. Try it sometime :-)

I just did, and I think my right hand wanted to strangle me for abusing it so. Hitting right control from the home row is the most uncomfortable stretch on a keyboard I've done in a while.

It's far easier just to remap CapsLock to LControl, and then use your left pinky to hit it. Much more ergonomic, way less strain on your hands.

Well yeah it is more ergonomic but seriously... how is that a strain??? play guitar and get your 9" pinky-pointer stretch going.
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 18:33:43 »
Folks, you are not supposed to hit the right control by stretching your hand open, but by moving your entire arm. This way both your hands remain very relaxed at all times.
But contorting your left hand to hit Control and A single-handedly, not only moves one of you hands away from typing position anyway, but puts a lot of strain on it.
Ctrl-Q and Ctrl-W are even worse than Ctrl-A. Apart from straining your hand, it takes more time to bend your hand rather than move your other hand.

Anyway, our bodies are symmetric and there's a reason we have 2 shifts, 2 alts and 2 controls.
BTW, while my usage of the 2 shifts is pretty even, I use the right control far more frequently than the left. I guess I will have to map the App/Menu key to be a right Control, no big deal. On my Poker I sacrifice the same key anyway (for the tilde).
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 19:59:50 »
I use the left control almost exclusively, like 99.99%.  I like to make Ctrl-[AZXCFS] with one hand.  I can "touch type" but there are a few motions that I usually don't perform correctly.  For example, there are several capital letters that I tend to make with one hand and I tend to make '?' with my right index and pointer finger.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #131 on: Tue, 05 March 2013, 22:58:14 »
Yup, if you touch type, you naturally use your left pinky for A. So how are you supposed to hit the left control ?
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 19:17:04 »
Keyboardco.com has listed the Minila. April 19th appears to be the ship date, not sure on how accurate that projected date is.

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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 06 March 2013, 23:54:58 »
I wasn't sure about this at first, but I'm pretty certain I'll be getting one after giving it some thought. 

I only press the spacebar with my right thumb, pretty much just right in the center of that short space.  And the main thing is that I've been thinking of doing a custom layout with a function key for my left thumb.  That makes the esdf arrows perfect for coding/etc. 

My only big complaints are that it'll be hard to get custom keys for those non-standard bottom row sizes, and I'd prefer a normal shift key on the right and lose the arrows.  With the big FN key, they're not as useful.  But, overall, I'll give it a try I think.

Edit: Oh... I didn't notice the small backspace key.  Screw that, I make a lot of mistakes.  That singlehandedly ruins it for me... I hit right in the middle of those two keys, and I'm too stubborn to change for one dinky keyboard. ;-)
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 07 March 2013, 00:00:41 »
That's just too small for me but I can see the minimalists loving it.  :(
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« Reply #135 on: Thu, 07 March 2013, 00:16:57 »
Edit: Oh... I didn't notice the small backspace key.  Screw that, I make a lot of mistakes.  That singlehandedly ruins it for me... I hit right in the middle of those two keys, and I'm too stubborn to change for one dinky keyboard. ;-)

The dipswitches allow setting the key right above the enter to backspace, see the OP. It's a bigger key and closer to the typing position.
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« Reply #136 on: Thu, 07 March 2013, 00:23:38 »
Thanks, but yeah, I noticed that.  Probably a good alternative.  However, I got used to that with the HHKB and it threw off all my experiences on my other boards. :)  Can't be having that!

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« Reply #137 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 22:52:50 »
Doesn't matter. .  bought one as soon as it hit the shop. . . Love it!

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« Reply #138 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 02:51:04 »
Is it up for sale in any US stores yet?
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #139 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 06:05:22 »

that is one ridiculously tiny space bar!

Space bars, by definition, are for thumbs and intended for BOTH thumbs. If your hands are ok with that (maybe longer thumbs) I can understand. But for most people?


I warn you that the Left Shift has a different size compared to a standard LShift so replacement keycaps would be a headache.

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The spacebar is the best one they could fit in the keyboard.  It is just perfect for me.
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« Reply #140 on: Thu, 04 April 2013, 01:30:35 »
Is it up for sale in any US stores yet?
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 04 April 2013, 11:25:44 »
waaat the faaak. I would totally buy this thing if greenies were an option but everyones so damn racist against mx greens...

Wonder how difficult changing the switches on this would be...

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« Reply #142 on: Thu, 04 April 2013, 21:51:56 »
waaat the faaak. I would totally buy this thing if greenies were an option but everyones so damn racist against mx greens...

Wonder how difficult changing the switches on this would be...

About the same as any other Filco board I'd imagine.
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Re: NEW FILCO keyboard - Majestouch MINILA
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 21:18:17 »
Not gonna lie, actually pretty excited about this. I always hit space right below the B and N keys, always with my right thumb. This layout will allow me to reclaim some of that wasted space. It's got dedicated arrow keys, which means I can use it in Visual Studio without it being all awkward like the HHKB.

And, of course.. it's a Filco.

+1 here. I'm kind of liking the layout for a compact. You can swap BS with Backslash. A Fn 'and' Win key on the left. Dedicated arrow keys.

I like the idea of a shorter Spacebar, even on a full-size board anyway. Since I Alt with my thumbs, it would eliminate reaching so far under my palms. However, this one might be a tad too short. My left thumb typically hits under the right corner of 'V', which is in the 'taint' area left of Spacebar. But that might be such a big deal to adjust for.

All these new compact boards makes me wonder if there are plans to update the HHKB layout. The current layout has been out for years. And with everybody else coming out with improvements to the compact layout, HHKB has to be considering it.

Things I think could be improved on my HHKB...

*  Fn and Win key left of Spacebar.
*  Reconsider the arrow key placement.
*  Possibly reduce size of Spacebar.
*  Utilize the dead space in the lower corners with some much needed keys. I for one would like to have a R Control key.

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« Reply #144 on: Wed, 17 April 2013, 11:19:15 »
Got one today. I don't like the backspace options mainly.  I wish I could make the left Fn key a backspace key, but doesn't seem possible.  Also, I noticed that I do in fact sometimes use my left thumb for space... not often, but a couple times so far in testing. Of course, that's not a problem because you can flip a switch to make left fn a space bar too.  Just no good backspace option unless you like HHKB style or are good at hitting that little top-right key.

Great feel though, nice size.

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« Reply #145 on: Thu, 18 April 2013, 05:19:42 »
I have one as well and are you surprised that the space key hasn't been an issue for you? I thought it was going to be too small but i have had no problems what so ever. Thoughts about the small space bar...

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« Reply #146 on: Thu, 18 April 2013, 09:02:44 »
I have one as well and are you surprised that the space key hasn't been an issue for you? I thought it was going to be too small but i have had no problems what so ever. Thoughts about the small space bar...

Agreed. The only time I found myself trying to hit a space on the left function key is if my right hand reached for the mouse or something, but very easy to train for. Literally the only gripe I have is backspace. (And perhaps the inability to find replacement caps for the space/fn keys)

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« Reply #147 on: Thu, 18 April 2013, 15:38:18 »
Looks awesome, anyone know if this will come with Swedish layout or blank? This would make a great backpack keyboard with blue switches when you have to type something while not on your own PC.

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« Reply #148 on: Thu, 18 April 2013, 19:36:17 »
Dat space bar..

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« Reply #149 on: Sun, 26 May 2013, 08:52:58 »
I agree the bezel would have been better as a plain rectangle with rounded edges.  But this layout looks very promising.

2 questions:

1 - Can you remap the left Fn key using windows registry hacks?  (ala Sharpkeys)

2 - Is a white model available, hopefully w/PBT caps or is someone offering white PBT replacement caps?  The slightly off sizes including space bar and possible unknown placement of things under caps could make full cap swaps difficult.

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