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Offline Natalie Paige

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Typing for girls with long nails
« on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:31:30 »
Hi Folks,

I'm a girl who wears her fingernails naturally longer (I keep the free edge of my nail around 1/5 - 1/4 of an inch - about half a centimeter in metric), anything shorter just doesn't look or feel right for my hands (And I have tried wearing them shorter!)

I've therefore been questing to build a superior keyboard for typing on given this self-imposed disability. I've searched high and low, and while there are some more suitable ones out there - nothing on the market seems fills the need completely.

It's looking like Cherry Blue switches are going to be the best typing switch. I've been recommended the Filco Majestouch-2 http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=805 - which I'm happy with as a good starting point.

The primary issue with typing is that there is no enough empty space around the keys - pressing a key on one row will often mean my nail catching on a key in the row above which can weaken/break the nail.

So my investigations have been around a few areas of customisation, all of which will potentially involve custom 3d printing of keys.

* Key shape modification
Building a slope into each key will allow key travel with less chance of snagging the free edge of the nail:


Or having half keys, these are based on a modified "cyberpunk" cherry key.



* Progressive Key Height modification
e.g. Starting at the lowest row of the keyboard, have taller keys and having those keys progressively shorten as one goes up the rows, again to allow extra space for the fingernail as the key travels down:


So this is as far as I've got with this. I think my next step is to find someone locally with a 3d printer who can print out something like the above and then marry them together with the Filco.

Am I going in the right direction?
Is anyone working on, or has worked on a similar project?
Any ideas for completing the project in a cost effective way?

Many thanks in advance  :)

Kind regards,
Natalie.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:35:35 »
You can try going to Shapeways to see if that might work for you. They do 3D printing online. I know a few people have made caps from that service.

I have a Filco MJ2 and I love it so someone recommended you something nice :)

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 11:25:00 »
I interested to see where this goes. Sounds like a fun project. Too bad I'm sorta useless and can't help  :-\
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 11:54:27 »
Why don't you try a reverse-tilt on the keyboard, i.e. prop up the front of the board and then put your hands on a keyboard cushion. This will make a staggered effect like your second diagram. I do something like this for when I type standing up, but in a much more extreme fashion, it is very comfortable. I can post a photo if it helps.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 11:56:19 »
By the way, you should move the stem of your CADs to the center of the keys, not off to the back edge like you have. Your current design will torque the stems on each keypress.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 12:05:29 »
I would suggest that if the caps were wide horizontal ovals and shortened vertically, you would get the effect you want with better key action. Different switches are more or less happy with off-center and off-axis strikes.

And, since there is a natural curvature to the nails, the curvature would work with you all around. (note that some people (not me!) complain about not liking staggered keys, but they would be a help to you in this situation)

This could be a decent niche market for custom cap makers. "Regular" people might buy some, too, just for looks.

PS - personally, I am a grumpy old man, and don't like the look of long nails, even on supermodels ....
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 14:54:39 »
You probably don't keep your fingers as flat as on your pictures when typing because it would be very inefficient and fatiguing. Find out how you really move your hand over the keyboard and design for this.
You probably hit top row keys at lower angle than home and bottom row keys, so it would make sense to make the gap between top row and number row wider than other gaps.
Reverse staggering is uncomfortable.

Generally, you should think a bit about ergonomics if you want to use this gadget for actual typing.
« Last Edit: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:17:40 by mich »

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 16:38:10 »
Long nails has been a problem for me as well with Chicklet style boards, most of them catch even my shorter nails.

The simplest fix is go buy a Logitech Illuminated keyboard. They use very low profile keys, like non-Chicklet style laptop keyboards, you could also look for a Cherry ML board. For Cherry MX, an option is to try angling the keyboard towards you a bit, it sounds counter productive but works as it gives your mails more of a slot to slide into between the keys. Otherwise, you just need to look for the lowest profile keys (not flat!) you can find.

Mich also touched on something I found as well.
The F keys, most keyboards have a gap between the number keys and the F keys, so you have never had to aim as accurate on them. Their distance also makes it a stretch to reach up there as well with accuracy. This was a problem for me on my KBT Race, I really missed that gap in there.


I have looked into 3d printers for this very purpose and my conclusion was that the common ones will not have the accuracy needed for a keycap. You need one of the more expensive industrial style models that work with powder and lasers to get it right ($200k+). Unless you have access to one at a university,  the costs will priobably be insane.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 16:59:38 »
Some one has to say this..

cut your nails? :D

girls seem very conscious about their body parts, even down to "hand beauty", where longer fingers are considered more attractive..

BUT.... I add this...

To anyone who "cares" about how your hand look... in either a weird fetish way, or a runway model judge way... It is blatantly obvious how "long" your fingers actually are...

I've seen some females with very long nails on short fingers.. the improvement in appearance is only at best in "distance".. up close, it looks "off"...



long nails also "used" to be a symbol of status, whereby one with said attribute was "NOT" a field worker...

This is not that time... one's hands and the productivity required of them are steeper than ever...

Why sacrifice productivity over something trivial  :confused:

Unless you're a hand model... there's very little reason to do anything about your nails besides trim them.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:10:23 »
blah blah blah blah

Unless you're a hand model... there's very little reason to do anything about your nails besides trim them.

Quit trying to cleverly analyze someones preference.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:20:15 »
Back on topic:

How about reversing the keys so the profile is backwards OP?

Not sure if that would actually help or not but might be worth a shot

that and a keyboard tray with a negative angle might help

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:22:40 »
girls seem very conscious about their body parts, even down to "hand beauty", where longer fingers are considered more attractive..

BUT.... I add this...

To anyone who "cares" about how your hand look... in either a weird fetish way, or a runway model judge way... It is blatantly obvious how "long" your fingers actually are...
If a guy walks down the street looking like a bum no one cares, it's not the same for women. Guys can get away with almost anything in terms of looks and fashion, women are scrutinized constantly, and it goes all the way down to the smallest detail.

And not just by men either, women are vicious about how each other dress. You would be particularly amazed at how many people look at a woman's ring finger.

And guys do obsess about their own bodies as well, for all that women obsess over, guys dump all of that into a single body part, and to be frank, you guys put waaaaay too much emphasis on it.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:26:37 »
blah blah blah blah

Unless you're a hand model... there's very little reason to do anything about your nails besides trim them.

Quit trying to cleverly analyze someones preference.

So... if your preference is "low productivity"... well, then don't complain about the salary gap.

women have several traits which are IMMENSE obstacles to modern life...

LONG HAIR... HOURS AND HOURS of serving it..

LONG NAILS...

COSMETICS...


You take those away from the average female,, she suddenly has 4 more hours in a day...  :))

for example:

Find any mildly reflective surface at a busy intersection, and watch the women that walk past it....  THAT is time which could've been spent thinking about something "useful"

I've recently read that women make three times more money than men in the adult industries. But yeah, they aren't there for typing, obviously.

Anyway, it surprised me that most of friends that play the guitar (and have long nails because of that) *smash* keys with their nails. They have them quite sturdy for some reason.

Or wouldn't uniform-profile keycaps, and "flat" typing style help?
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 17:58:11 »
Or simply get the best keyboard in the world:


Even half inch nails would fit there. IBM guys knew what they were doing :)

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 18:17:52 »
Even half inch nails would fit there. IBM guys knew what they were doing :)

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 18:24:55 »
I once met a woman who typed with her nails. In other words, she hit the keys with the nails, not the finger tips. I doubt that would be good in the long run.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 18:38:35 »
I once met a woman who typed with her nails. In other words, she hit the keys with the nails, not the finger tips. I doubt that would be good in the long run.

I remember something similar with my elementary school music teacher.. 2 to 3 inch nails..

she had bad technique :D, but got the job done...

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 18:53:20 »
Or simply get the best keyboard in the world:
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Even half inch nails would fit there. IBM guys knew what they were doing :)

And, of course, if you get a Model M/F and simply pull the caps, you have huge gaps between keys!
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 19:18:45 »
Man I don't know how girls can stand it. My girlfriend happily types away with her long nails. For me, I clip my nails when they bother me when typing. I hate the feeling of my nails hitting the keycap before my finger does. It is especially bad for my because I have this weird typing style where I do everything properly, home row and all, but when you look at my hands I hold them like claws with arched fingers that come straight down.
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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 19:24:17 »
Some one has to say this..

cut your nails? :D
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 20:03:31 »
The Unicomp keyboards usually have 2 piece keys for all of the 1 unit caps.  Removing the cap tops does introduce rather wide gaps between them.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 20:17:12 »
The Unicomp keyboards usually have 2 piece keys for all of the 1 unit caps.  Removing the cap tops does introduce rather wide gaps between them.

Only buttons with legends are two piece. Personally I prefer the one piece buttons.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 20:25:50 »
I like this idea for its functionality. OP has only one post after all this. I hope she comes back and it goes somewhere.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 20:27:47 »
I like this idea for its functionality. OP has only one post after all this. I hope she comes back and it goes somewhere.

LOL.... seriously? :D

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 21:28:46 »
LOL ... seriously, you are a troll.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 21:32:03 »
The Unicomp keyboards usually have 2 piece keys for all of the 1 unit caps.  Removing the cap tops does introduce rather wide gaps between them.

Only buttons with legends are two piece. Personally I prefer the one piece buttons.

Well the new keyboards come with legends, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.  The larger keys may or may not be 2-piece.  It is semi-random.
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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 21:49:14 »
The Unicomp keyboards usually have 2 piece keys for all of the 1 unit caps.  Removing the cap tops does introduce rather wide gaps between them.

Only buttons with legends are two piece. Personally I prefer the one piece buttons.

Well the new keyboards come with legends, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.  The larger keys may or may not be 2-piece.  It is semi-random.

Umm, you can order one that's otaku (like mine), so no, 1x keys are not guaranteed to be two-piece. RGB sets are two-piece.

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Re: Typing for girls with long nails
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 22:17:55 »
LOL ... seriously, you are a troll.

just sayin', seems like everytime an "alleged" female posts, there's a circle j following, and that's weird because mating opportunities online are much more unlikely..

What could one possibly hope to accomplish by being "extra nice" to "alleged" female on the internet?

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 10 March 2013, 22:22:58 »
LOL ... seriously, you are a troll.

just sayin', seems like everytime an "alleged" female posts, there's a circle j following, and that's weird because mating opportunities online are much more unlikely..

What could one possibly hope to accomplish by being "extra nice" to "alleged" female on the internet?

It isn't impossible. I've seen plenty of people who played MMOs together end up meeting irl and some ended up dating for some time.

I actually met my bf playing Aion Online together and we've been dating and living together for a little over 2 years now.
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