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The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 17:38:15 »
Massdrop is offering for a second time, the ErgoDox Ergonomic Keyboard. Here is a link to the current group buy: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ergodox-2.




I missed the last round, but I definitely think I will be in for round 2. Let's get this down to $199!

Edit: Added Sordna's image.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 18:41:04 »
Just got the email!

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The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 19:50:50 »
I'm in at $199. Fate can decide. :-)

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:09:31 »
Yeah hopefully it will hit the mark, I wouldn't be surprised considering the popularity of the first drop. Who knows, maybe we'll get another assembly GB going too  ;) Either way it would still make a great DIY project.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:10:43 »
If I remember correctly there were 180+ requests for another round

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:22:16 »
If I remember correctly there were 180+ requests for another round

Apparently 207!

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 02 April 2013, 23:03:15 »
Damn I was wrong, 299 people requested it lol

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 01:03:36 »
But there may be few issues.

This keyboard is not much tested, by the general public, only the enthusiasts/geeks have tested. So we dont know what is the outcome from the buys, say adjust the heights, keep key spacings etc, arrow keys, how easy it is to switch to layer2 and use the other keys, etc.

Keycaps; I am dying here. So many people bought the keyboard and so many will be. Wish there are some colored and lettered keycaps, at least for layer1 & layer1+layer2 like in lot of laptop keyboards. Hey, I know many users are programmers and they dont even look at the keys. But there maybe many like me who dont/wont/cant touch type, have not learned/hate to do etc. Lets face the facts, there are few geeks and even fewer uber-geeks, rest are normal (???) geeks :)

WASD keyboards can do custom printing, but not sure about the layers/colors etc. But not sure if the printing would hold!

I wish the round 2 would be delayed a little till the issues (whatever may come) are fixed.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 01:23:04 »
Um, I'm not even entirely sure where to start with the mess you just posted...

We'll start first with:  You know that this was in development for over a year, right?  This isn't something that was slapbanged together as quick as possible, let the end user be a beta tester so I have extreme doubts to there being any layout or construction changes ever.  Especially to coddle someone that can't be bothered to research the development of the product and then dismiss the efforts of everyone that's been involved in the development so far.

Two:  It's completely, 100% programmable.  Since you're just a "normal" geek (whatever the **** that means), I'll explain why that matters.  YOU CAN MAKE WHATEVER KEY DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.  So there's not going to be anything better than the blank set that's on offer with it that's made specifically for it because there's nothing set in stone in terms of what the keys do.

And since we're facing facts here, this isn't meant for someone that has an off-the-shelf mechanical keyboard that thinks that makes him a geek even though he can't be bothered to type properly.  This is meant for the true geek that, much like a gearhead/petrolhead, wants to tinker down to the smallest bits possible. Plainly stated this is marketed and sold to the enthusiast/geek you so cavalierly dismiss as not being able to truly test a product and not to you.

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 03:28:27 »
I know many users are programmers and they dont even look at the keys.

I'm sorry, but ergonomic split layout is designed specifically for touch typing.
Have you ever tried to "hunt-and-pick" type on ergonomic keyboard? I can say that my SO found it a chore to type on my old MS Natural 4000.

ps: I've committed to buy if the price gets down to 199$.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:25:23 »
If I get MX clear, is the order going to take longer?

My mom really wants one of these... sadly it doesn't fit my hand..  :'(

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:29:04 »
If I get MX clear, is the order going to take longer?

My mom really wants one of these... sadly it doesn't fit my hand..  :'(
I chose MX Clear on the first one and got my kit yesterday. Then again I might have ordered when it was in the single digits, or early double digits and they mentioned giving switch priority to those who ordered first.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 10:44:32 »
@tjcaustin
Some of the programmable fearures are not currently working. It stated that media keys arent working on Windows.  I hope they refine the coding soon, as I dont  know how to code. Oh and yeah this kb is impressive.

Which key do you guys use for switching layers? Toggle layers, pop layers and I think the other one is push.. I tried toggle and it didn't work for me...
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:39:36 »
last question... are those keys on the VERY right and VERY left,, the size of CTRL keys or the size of Tab key, or the size of Capslock key...

Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.


also, does this use cherry stabilizer or costar. and do the stabilizers come with the kit.

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:57:09 »
Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.
The width of the outermost columns is 1.5 which is the size of a typical Tab key.
However, the Ctrl keys on vintage keyboards without Windows keys are typically also this size. ;)

While the plates and the cases were designed for 1.5 wide outer keys, the PCB does also support the option of using 1 unit wide keys for the outermost columns. The PCB supports PCB-mounted switches so a plate is optional.
The PCB does not have support for PCB-mounted stabilisers for the large thumbkeys, but you won't really need them. The Kinesis has never had any stabilisers for the large thumbkeys and I have not heard or seen anyone complain about that.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 11:59:40 »
Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.
The width of the outermost columns is 1.5 which is the size of a typical Tab key.
However, the Ctrl keys on vintage keyboards without Windows keys are typically also this size. ;)

As I have understood, you could build this keyboard without a plate. Then you would also have the option of using 1 unit wide keys for the outermost columns. You could of course also modify the plate to use such keys...
The PCB supports Cherry PCB-mounted stabilisers for the large thumbkeys, but you won't really need them. The Kinesis does not have stabilisers for the large thumbkeys and I have not heard or seen anyone complain about that.

Cool, thanks for the info...

Where do I buy pcb mount cherry stabilizers

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:07:20 »
I chose MX Clear on the first one and got my kit yesterday. Then again I might have ordered when it was in the single digits, or early double digits and they mentioned giving switch priority to those who ordered first.

When was the GB held for the one that you ordered?
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« Reply #17 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:15:46 »
Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.
The width of the outermost columns is 1.5 which is the size of a typical Tab key.
However, the Ctrl keys on vintage keyboards without Windows keys are typically also this size. ;)

As I have understood, you could build this keyboard without a plate. Then you would also have the option of using 1 unit wide keys for the outermost columns. You could of course also modify the plate to use such keys...
The PCB supports Cherry PCB-mounted stabilisers for the large thumbkeys, but you won't really need them. The Kinesis does not have stabilisers for the large thumbkeys and I have not heard or seen anyone complain about that.

Cool, thanks for the info...

Where do I buy pcb mount cherry stabilizers

Sorry, you already said "last question". No more answers for you.

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:24:28 »
I was wondering why plate mounted cherry stabilizers didnt fit at all...

Who knows how each layer switcher works?
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:30:41 »
Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.
The width of the outermost columns is 1.5 which is the size of a typical Tab key.
However, the Ctrl keys on vintage keyboards without Windows keys are typically also this size. ;)

As I have understood, you could build this keyboard without a plate. Then you would also have the option of using 1 unit wide keys for the outermost columns. You could of course also modify the plate to use such keys...
The PCB supports Cherry PCB-mounted stabilisers for the large thumbkeys, but you won't really need them. The Kinesis does not have stabilisers for the large thumbkeys and I have not heard or seen anyone complain about that.

Cool, thanks for the info...

Where do I buy pcb mount cherry stabilizers

Sorry, you already said "last question". No more answers for you.

:D well, I did already commit to buy... Just wondering' that's all...

but if you must..

I demand you tell me the location (web or otherwise) that sells pcb mounted cherry stabilizers

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:33:07 »
:D well, I did already commit to buy... Just wondering' that's all...

but if you must..

I demand you tell me the location (web or otherwise) that sells pcb mounted cherry stabilizers

I bought mine from The_Ed (link)
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« Reply #21 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 12:49:56 »
WASD Keyboards sells stabilizers for cheap, make sure you get the bars too:

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts-1.html
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:06:41 »
last question... are those keys on the VERY right and VERY left,, the size of CTRL keys or the size of Tab key, or the size of Capslock key...

Please give it to me in ctrl // tab // capslock

as the 1.25x 1.5x 1.75x throws me off.


also, does this use cherry stabilizer or costar. and do the stabilizers come with the kit.
The plate MD offers doesnt support it, but if you go PCB mount, you can move them over, for use with 1x (normal sized, QWER, etc) keys)

I'm interested in stabilizers as well. I just built mine up and before I soldered the switches down, I test fit with the keycaps. My hands must be differently shaped, 'cause it's easier to hit some keys in the thumb area: very interesting!

Anyway, I need to decide between cherry whites or light whites (white lights) or clears/ergoclears for the switches.

WASD Keyboards sells stabilizers for cheap, make sure you get the bars too:

http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts-1.html
WASDkeyboards sells plate-mount costar stabilizers, I'm not sure the plate supports these.
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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:13:50 »
The hands say yes, the wallet says no.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:32:41 »
The hands say yes, the wallet says no.

:(

just sell your other stuff.?

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:33:47 »
The hands say yes, the wallet says no.

:(

just sell your other stuff.?

My "other stuff" consists of a Leopold. Not gonna get me up to $300. :(
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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:37:22 »
The hands say yes, the wallet says no.

:(

just sell your other stuff.?

My "other stuff" consists of a Leopold. Not gonna get me up to $300. :(

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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:39:40 »
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:48:15 »
I demand you tell me the location (web or otherwise) that sells pcb mounted cherry stabilizers
I bought mine from The_Ed (link)

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Re: The Ergodox is Back @ MassDrop [Round 2]
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 03 April 2013, 15:24:54 »
@tjcaustin
Some of the programmable fearures are not currently working. It stated that media keys arent working on Windows.  I hope they refine the coding soon, as I dont  know how to code. Oh and yeah this kb is impressive.

Which key do you guys use for switching layers? Toggle layers, pop layers and I think the other one is push.. I tried toggle and it didn't work for me...

Toggle is not worded probably, what it does is momentary bring you to the said layer as long as the key is held down.
I have a ~L1 toggle key, so I hold it down and hit for example 5 to produce the F5, and have other keys to push the L1 layer so my keyboard stays there (until I push a -L1 key to pop it off). It all works man! My current layout is here:
https://www.massdrop.com/ext/ergodox/?referer=BY6MGD&hash=e45371cc643778f59be3a757a75d99ef

BTW just did 98 WPM on my ergodox on type racer. It's a very, very nice keyboard, what can I say.
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